The Friday App Clinic: Football

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>>Reto Meier: Good afternoon and welcome to this Friday's app clinic. My name's Reto Meier,
I'm joined by Ian Ni-Lewis and our senior executive producer, Alex Lucas. On the engineering
panel we have Daniel Pham, our NFL expert, and today we're gonna be looking at football
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Now, if you're watching us live, first, thanks for sticking through the
completely screwed up intro that engineer Daniel has provided us because he's usually
great but not today. And second, if you have any questions for us or any comments you wanna
make during the show, engineer Alex, I'm sorry, producer, senior vice executive producer Alex
is standing by on the YouTube live stream. So he's actually watching the comments as
they go by, he's checking to make sure that we're not, you know, going all fuzzy or muted
or, you know, distorted but at the same time he can watch your comments and pass them along
to us if you say anything interesting.
>>Reto Meier: So I'm really excited today that you guys decided to do football. Football
season is in full swing so, I've been away from Australia for awhile so I wanted to kick
off and find out exactly how the football teams are doing. I've got this app here, Aussie
Rules Live
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Nice.
>>Reto Meier: which is really good.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: See when you said Aussie Rules Live, I thought this was gonna be a Black
Sabbath concert.
>>Reto Meier: Interesting. Yes, no.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: So this is--
>>Reto Meier: If you switch to the phone app and the tablet for yourself. Slick.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Nice.
>>Reto Meier: Excellent.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah that's not really what we had in mind.
>>Reto Meier: No, this is pretty good. I mean, it's got some sort of iphoney styling here
and we have kind of the action bar but
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: It's not exactly football. It has something about Australia in it.
>>Reto Meier: Well, yeah, Australian football. That's what you guys are talking about, right?
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah that's the thing, any sport that can be abbreviated to something
that sounds like you put it on a baby when they go to sleep
>>Reto Meier: It's not working for you?
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: No.
>>Reto Meier: Oh okay, sorry, it's an easy mistake to make, right?
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah.
>>Reto Meier: I'm from the west coast of Australia so football.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Oh, the west coast, that explains the whole thing.
>>Reto Meier: It does, it does. Okay, we're not talking about Aussie Rules so, obviously,
I thought this through. So, I've got this rugby app which is great. It works, it's not
quite as nice of display, we don't have the action bar here we've kind of got the old
school tabs.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah, not really getting it.
>>Reto Meier: No?
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Who? The slippers? The blues?
>>Reto Meier: Yeah, yeah, [cannot understand], yeah.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: The hurricanes?
>>Reto Meier: Uh, possibly.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah, I'm, this isn't working for me either.
>>Reto Meier: No? That's
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Daniel, are you feeling it?
>>Daniel Pham: I have no idea what Reto is talking about.
>>Reto Meier: Okay, we're not talking about Aussie Rules or Rugby.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Who do you prefer War or Woofer in the alliance stadium mat? You know, I'm
glad to know it's not just in America that we totally sell out.
[Laughter] >>Ian Ni-Lewis: our stadiums
>>Reto Meier: Oh, no.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Try again foreign boy.
>>Reto Meier: Okay, so I've made a common mistake here. I assumed that when you guys
said you were talking football that you meant this because, obviously, what a lot of people
think of as football you call soccer but I did think this through so I have some other
football apps.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: See I knew you were gonna try this.
>>Reto Meier: What's that Ian?
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: I knew you were gonna try to pull in that whole rest of the world football
>>Reto Meier: Well we have a lot of viewers.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: And I know exactly why because you know that our main, our primary audience
is in Austria.
>>Reto Meier: This is true. We have a lot of Austrian viewers.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yep.
>>Reto Meier: Thanks for tuning in.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Shout out to you guys.
>>Reto Meier: So I don't know if we've got the Austrian league here. I should go through
cause I'm sup- well, I think that's the Austrian flag. So there we go, so we can see, we can
drill in. The actual app itself, again, we've kind of got this pseudo action bar with the
refresh button which I know you're not a fan of, back button which really should be--
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: You know what? You know what? I give up, fine.
[Laughter] >>Ian Ni-Lewis: We're not doing your Aussie
thing. [Laughter]
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: But I get it, okay?
>>Reto Meier: Okay.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: We've go, we've got enough non US audience here that, probably because
every programmer in the US, except for you and me, has been laid off.
[Laughter] >>Ian Ni-Lewis: Fine, we'll do them. I was
excited; I was excited because the NFL is starting their season.
>>Reto Meier: Oh, the NFL.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah. [Laughs]
>>Reto Meier: Oh is that
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: You know the NFL.
>>Reto Meier: Is the "F" for football? I didn't realize that
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: It is.
>>Reto Meier: You guys had a kicking game that you were proud of. Oh, that's great.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: It's not just kicking, actually. There's all sorts of interaction between feet
and hands and--
>>Reto Meier: Balls. [Laughter]
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: So let's go ahead and take a look at a few apps from the NFL
>>Reto Meier: Okay, let's have a look.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: from the American football
>>Reto Meier: It'll be an education. All I know about American football is from Friday
Night Lights so it should be an education.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah, well they play high school rules there don't they?
>>Reto Meier: Well they were in high school so I would assume so.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Well let's get ready for the NFL season. I'm gonna crack open an American
>>Reto Meier: Interesting. Don't we need a, like a tailgate? Maybe a grill, is there a
grill around here somewhere?
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: No but I've already spilled beer on the table so I think we're off to
an excellent start.
>>Reto Meier: I think we're off to a good start.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Alright.
>>Reto Meier: So what do you wanna start with? You guys are the NFL experts.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Well, let's actually start with one of the NFL apps.
>>Reto Meier: Okay.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: That one? So, if we go over to the tablet, one of the, one of the apps
that I thought was really impressive is NFL Preseason Live.
>>Reto Meier: Oh, nice.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Now, the thing about NFL Preseason Live, it has really terrible reviews and there's
was one really good reason for that and it's that on ICS and up, actually on Honeycomb
and up, the video playback was really, really sketchy. Now, sadly this is because previous
to Honeycomb they were actually using their own playback engine for their HTV live streaming
and post Honeycomb they went ahead and, well there you go, post Honeycomb they went ahead
and used out playback engine and it turns out that ours was a little less resilient
than theirs. They had some streams that had a little bit of, okay so I think we're gonna
need to switch to the regular camera here because as soon as we start playing video
it switches over to full screen mode.
>>Reto Meier: You may wanna zoom out just a touch, I think.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: So what they've done is they had a few streams where the audio part of
it was malformed and it crashed our decoder and then it was unable to recover. So once
we got rid of that problem everything was okay.
>>Reto Meier: Nice.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: I like the app. There's a few problems with it but the basic concept
is really cool. So, what you're getting here is start a, we start a game, you can look
at any game that's already played or I believe you can look at them live but I haven't had
the time to check it out live myself. When you-- now here's what's gonna happen and this
is the problem that we've seen in the past is we actually can't get the video now because
the, that one stream crashed it.
>>Reto Meier: Gotcha.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: I kind of know
>>Reto Meier: Once you have the crash then you're, yeah.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: So, let's go ahead and just pretend the video is playing.
>>Reto Meier: That's probably best that it's not there
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: It's probably best, yeah.
>>Reto Meier: cause the man might get--
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: You know, we should have just said that to begin with.
>>Reto Meier: Yeah.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: We should've been like, "Oh yeah, we blacked it out because of the man
cause we're that good."
>>Reto Meier: Exactly. It's actually well done. We can actually see the video here but
I believe it's not coming across cause Daniel is blacking it out.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Right.
>>Reto Meier: real time.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yes, exactly. Good save. Okay, so what you can see, though, is they've actually
got a whole list of all the plays that happened in the game. It's a little; it took a while
to figure it out.
>>Reto Meier: Wow.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: But the orange circles basically means there was some ball movement and then
you get, I think a triangle for a turnover, you get, if it's blue it means they scored.
So like, for instance, here's the--
>>Reto Meier: There you are.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: 20 yard field goal.
>>Reto Meier: 20 yard field goal.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: And what's really cool about it is you can go down here and see where the
plays are that you wanna look at and then if you click over here then it'll actually
bring that up on the video.
>>Reto Meier: Oh, nice.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah, it'll take you right to it.
>>Reto Meier: So basically like an index.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah.
>>Reto Meier: For every play.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah and it works really well.
>>Reto Meier: Nice.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: The main problem I have with it is first, it's a little bit cryptic like
there's nothing that tells you what the little markings mean, etcetera. Second, if you can
see the difference between my quite normally sized finger and the touch target, it is a
little on the small side.
>>Reto Meier: Yeah, it's definitely not following that 48 pixel rhythm which I'm kind of expecting.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Right. Well, 48 DP.
>>Reto Meier: 48 DP I should say. As well, I'm, does clicking anywhere do the shortcut
or do you have to specifically hit the?
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Actually, clicking anywhere does as long as it has the little triangle.
That means that there's an index. Now, I would probably prefer a different icon
>>Reto Meier: Yeah.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: because we've always thought that when you have a triangle pointing one
way that means that you're either going to slide and see content that's hidden over on
the right or maybe the triangle's gonna turn and you're gonna get something beneath it.
There's pretty well accepted user interface guidelines that users are gonna have expectations
around, where in this case, all it does is click and put the video on a different place,
it's not even always the right place to be perfectly honest but it's always close.
>>Reto Meier: It feels like a pretty obvious icon to use instead would be, in fact, a video
camera or something like that.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Sure. Absolutely. You know, or some sort of a bookmark icon would be fine
>>Reto Meier: That could work as well. Just some sort of indicator cause clicking here
you kind of assume that it's gonna be a drill down and you get more detail on that particular
play. The video is probably better but it's sort of not clear.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: The other thing that I would love to have is some sort of sorting ability.
You can sort, for instance, on scores but you'll notice that that removes the bookmarking
>>Reto Meier: Oh, yeah absolutely. That's a shame cause that's kind of gonna be the
highlight that you look for.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Absolutely. For me, I'm all about the passing game so I'd really just
like to see all the big passes.
>>Reto Meier: Sure, that makes sense.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: I found myself, literally for this game, sort of scrolling through and
looking for like a yardage number, oh 15 yards, maybe I wanna see that.
>>Reto Meier: It seems like there's a lot of information going on on this screen but
what really isn't clear is exactly, like you have to read everything in order to see anything.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: You know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of trying to read the scrolling
output from like a role playing game or something, you remember those old school stuff?
>>Reto Meier: Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It actually reminds some, I'm a cricket fan,
I'm gonna wanna review cricket apps at some point, but it's the same sort of thing where
you have sort of constant, you know, six balls and over it's just constant, whatever happened.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Now, I just wanna cut in, Reto, and just--
>>Reto Meier: Please do.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: just remind the viewers that you have the power on this show. We do listen
to reader comments or viewer comments; we do abide, in general, by viewer votes when
we're reviewing apps so you have the power to stop the cricket madness.
>>Reto Meier: Or, indeed, to force the cricket madness if that is your inclination.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Indeed.
>>Reto Meier: So anyways, the point is that a lot of people follow the cricket just by
watching the live commentary so they've kind of optimized that process of having the most
important thing first. So the number of runs scored off each particular ball is the first
thing you see or if the person was out then that's the first thing you see and I'd like
to see the same thing here. The distance passed seems like that would be the most important
thing on a completed play.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah.
>>Reto Meier: Or, in fact, scoring seems like it should be something that should be fairly
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah. But you can see that it feels like they actually haven't taken
a huge amount of care here because if you look at this it actually repeats some information.
This is the time on the clock and then time on the clock is the first thing you see here
as well.
>>Reto Meier: Yeah.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: So I think this feels like they're just pulling it off their news feed
of some kind.
>>Reto Meier: Yeah.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: At the same time, although, it could be presented in a slightly nicer
format, this is some great information.
>>Reto Meier: Absolutely.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: It's a really useful app.
>>Reto Meier: Just a presentation thing at this point. I mean, the app itself is obviously
hugely useful to any sports fan. It's really just a case here of trying to, you need to
make this text bigger, you need to make the touch targets bigger and expand the text cause
I think all of you guys watching can see that you'd be pretty lucky if you can read any
of this from the camera. And, in fact, as soon as you sort of sit back from it you're
checking to make sure your prescription is still valid. It's small.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Right and on a Nexus 7 it's even less useful.
>>Reto Meier: I can imagine.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: It's very, very difficult to use.
>>Reto Meier: This is a pretty big tablet as tablets go these days. So you really wanna
have that bigger and, in fact, there's no need. Like, what they've kind of optimized
here for is to have as many plays on screen at a time and that's probably not what you
wanna optimize for, right?
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah, I think you're right. I think that rather than seeing a huge number
of plays where I have to carefully read each one, I'd rather have the information presented
so that I can scan it so quickly that flicking this up and down will actually be useful.
>>Reto Meier: Yes, absolutely.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: So if I see, and you can see they've done a little bit like I can flick
this up and down and when I see this little blue-ish green color go by, even if it's moving
very fast, I can see that because it stands out from the rest of everything.
>>Reto Meier: Yeah, absolutely.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: So bravo on that count. Now, take that idea and extend it out to the rest
of this particular UI and I think you've got a real winner.
>>Reto Meier: And, in fact, what I would say is you've actually got the right idea here.
So if we look over here on this side you can actually see that they've got this rich and
large touch targets. That's probably about the size you want and the same way that they've
got their sort of background bleed image, that'd be kind of cool even having this done
here, right? So you could have the same UI element over on this side with a beak, you
know, rather than having a sort of small logo, you have that background effect, bigger text,
more dramatic, you know, view. Particularly here cause we've got light gray on slightly
darker gray, if you're supposed to be able to read it make it stand out, put it in bold,
make it bright white against black, you know, whatever you like. But I would say something
like this over on this side so you can actually read it.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah, over on the left is great isn't it?
>>Reto Meier: That looks fantastic.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah, it's just beautiful. I'm really impressed. So, I think, I just
wanna say one more thing about this app and that's about the top of the app.
>>Reto Meier: Yeah, absolutely.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Go ahead.
>>Reto Meier: No, no, please.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Oh, no I was just feeding you lines.
[Laughter] >>Ian Ni-Lewis: I was feeding them and you're
>>Reto Meier: I like this, yeah. I need a blocker. So we've kind of got this, it's not
an action bar it's a title bar and it's kind of all wrong, right? I mean, this is a--
>>Daniel Pham: Hang out.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Oh man, all of a sudden I'm being Dan Galpin. Yeah, I gotta watch the
content monitor. [Laughter]
>>Reto Meier: So, this at the top and even here where you're looking at the sort of almost
tabs, turn them into actual tabs so that I stop having to do scare quotes and this title
bar should really be an action bar. So things like settings, if I hit this, so, yeah.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah.
>>Reto Meier: I don't even know where to start. So this should all be in an overflow menu
and it shouldn't be this weird dropdown popup thing it should just be a standard menu affordance.
Now, as far as I know, this is a tablet app, an app for tablets only, is that right?
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Right.
>>Reto Meier: Okay, so you don't actually have an excuse not to use the action bar because
you don't have to worry about backwards compatibility, you don't have to worry about how your menu
is gonna work on other devices, you just make it an action bar. So this, all of this stuff,
it's fair enough to have, to put this in settings but settings should kind of always be in the
overflow menu. I'm not quite sure what the question mark is gonna do. Oh, hello. So it's
like on screen tips. That's actually not bad. I don't know that I'd make it a primary action,
again, I'd probably stick that into an overflow menu and maybe display this the first time
the app came up. I don't know
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: I will say that, in general, if you find that it's necessary to show something
like this it is probably a good clue telling you that you're--
>>Reto Meier: A little too complex.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: not doing a good UI.
>>Reto Meier: Things should be as intuitive as possible. You know, you shouldn't have
to explain to users how things work, you should just be able to plop this down in front of
someone who understands NFL and they're able to start getting involved in the app. In fact,
when we do sort of internal reviews for apps, we find the ones which we like the best are
the ones where rather than everyone sitting down and everyone sort of nit picking which
pixel should be a different color, we're all sort of using the app and sort of getting
involved in that. I'm sure it's a similar experience when you guys have done games reviews
as well.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Absolutely.
>>Reto Meier: That's what you want. You want it so that people aren't going, "Oh wait,
how did you get to that screen? What did you do just there?" It's just like I'm too busy
getting engaged in apps like this there's so much content.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: You really need to do some user testing. Sit down with somebody, not,
and I can't emphasize this enough, don't sit down with some random guy who is probably
carrying a blackberry or an Iphone, sit down with someone who's used to using an Android
tablet, you know, sit down with somebody who's actually your target market for an Android
application and watch them use it. If they start swiping their finger across things that
are unswipable and getting frustrated, that's your first clue.
>>Reto Meier: That's a sign. In fact, I saw a little tip, so we can slide here so that's
quite nice. So you can slide between weeks, yeah, 3 week season.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah, the only thing I don't really like about it is that I think that
it's not obvious enough where you're at. Like, if you look at most of the view pagers that
we've put out, they have some sort of indication of where you are, it's either the little dots
like you see on a home screen
>>Reto Meier: Absolutely.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Or it's a tabs or something like that.
>>Reto Meier: Yeah, particularly because it gives you that indication of where the, you
know, how far along you are and obviously on this side, it's obvious that there isn't
anything before, well there is, and that's interesting so.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Well it's wrapping around.
>>Reto Meier: It is and particularly so I'm at pre week 1 and it seems intuitive that
there isn't anything before the first pre week but there is. You know, if, you've got
the hall of fame and then we're back to pre week 4 which is, again, kind of funny how
we're doing a wrap around. I don't know that you wanna do that.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: I don't know that I would have made that choice but whatever.
>>Reto Meier: It's a call.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: It's valid it's just not, now here I'll tell you what I'm gonna do.
>>Reto Meier: You gonna clean up the beer?
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: I'm gonna sacrifice my Android camp hoody to save your Google lab coat.
>>Reto Meier: My lab coat, It seems like the lab coat should be the--
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: God knows they're not making any more of them.
>>Reto Meier: True enough. So the other thing I'd point out as well is, I mean, this is
a pretty fast device and this scrolling is not the smoothest. So there might be something
you can do there to optimize that scroll speed. Anything which makes the app feel a little
janky really distracts from the user experience so, you know, when you are designing things,
everything should be as smooth as it possibly can be.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah, and this is, a lot of times what we see if people are either using
a regular view inefficiently or they're using a web view to do some of this. The other thing
that's actually, a good tip for many devices, but not all, which also happens to line up
nicely with our design guidelines is if you put a little less emphasis on the gradients
here, especially if that's something the you're adding in after that fact. In general, most
Android apps and the Android UI tries to be from simplified and flat, we don't go for
the bubbly look.
>>Reto Meier: Yeah.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: And there are devices in the field that, possibly because of that, are
not actually very good at drawing gradients.
>>Reto Meier: This is true. I did an experiment, myself, with a compass app and just, you know,
if you do it flat it renders really quickly, if I put like a gloss top on top of it, everything
slows down.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Well, you gotta remember that anytime you're drawing like a gradient or
a glassy look or anything like that you're touching the pixels twice as often and, in
many cases, devices are fill bound and that literally does make it half as fast.
>>Reto Meier: There you go. So the only other thing we've got here, so we've got these tabs,
these should probably be actual tabs rather than these weird pseudo tabs and, again, basically
this is the idea of the text being difficult to pause easily, being small and not of high
contrast is something you probably wanna look at throughout. Alright, shall we move on?
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yes, let's do so.
>>Reto Meier: Alright, let's have a look.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Alright, well, I think that the top rated apps this week by viewers were
actually the--
>>Reto Meier: The football apps.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: The football apps.
>>Reto Meier: The soccer apps?
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yes, the football with a round ball app.
>>Reto Meier: Excellent. And, in fact, I think, no there's international rules for football
also uses a round ball, I was gonna say soccer was the only one which does but it's not quite
true. Alright, let's have a look at FotMob Pro which I think is one of the top, one of
the top resulting ones. Trying to go back to the home screen. So look at this straight
away, so this is a popular app and I would suggest that one of the main reasons for that
is that it's very useful. You can get all the soccer scores from basically whichever
league you're watching including the major league soccer.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Oh good, let's see if my favorite team Real Salt Lake is in there.
[Laughter] >>Ian Ni-Lewis: Apparently not.
>>Reto Meier: Apparently not. So that's one thing to be concerned of straight away is
that I'm not entirely sure what this icon represents but clicking it should take you
to something. I kind of assumed it would be rankings which makes sense, the very fact
that it didn't appear for the MLS suggests that we're pulling this down--
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: American soccer sucks?
>>Reto Meier: Could be, it could be.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: I don't actually mean that, of course American soccer is the greatest
just like anything American. [Laughter]
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: compared to most Australian things is what I'm saying.
>>Reto Meier: Oh, nice.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Austrian, of course,
>>Reto Meier: Let's pick on the Australians we're all asleep right now.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Let's do that. [Laughter]
>>Reto Meier: It seems reasonable enough.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Alright, so yeah, I don't know why that's not showing up but it would
be nice to have something.
>Reto Meier: I think it's just failing to pull down the data so I think you wanna have
some sort of indication here that it's loading.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Right.
>>Reto Meier: Now I'm not a big fan of loading dialogues or anything like that but there
should be some indication that, "Hey, I'm trying to pull down data" and if it fails,
saying, "I tried to but for whatever reason I can't get the information."
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Now, I will say that the iconography in this interface is a little puzzling to
me and you're gonna have to, you know, just check me on this because, obviously, you know,
I don't actually follow soccer.
>>Reto Meier: Sure.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Maybe this is all totally old hat to you but I see this thing here and
I think maybe it looks like a list, I don't know. And apparently I don't know what I did
>>Reto Meier: It's the funky touch targets.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: And then apparently this baby over here that it, to me, it looked like a,
what I would call, soccer ball but that's exactly
>>Reto Meier: I was gonna say Mickey Mouse.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Apparently that's the top scores.
>>Reto Meier: Interesting. So that wouldn't have been obvious to me either.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Really, yeah.
>>Reto Meier: Yeah, definitely not. I would have thought maybe the opposite, like the
top scores would have been a person or maybe even a person kicking or maybe even a goal,
I don't know, there's a few options there. Definitely the iconography needs work. The
idea of having the action bar here is reasonable but, again, I would go with a more standard
up affordance other than this pseudo back button. It's confusing, is it an up button?
Is it a back button? Is it different from the back button down at the bottom?
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah.
>>Reto Meier: It's not quite right.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah it's a different, you know, long time viewers of the show know that
I've never been completely comfortable with the idea that something pointing to the left
is actually taking me up
>>Reto Meier: That's because this is an affordance, you see, rather than just a button.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Right. Exactly and an affordance sounds like something you live in if you're
on a fixed income. [Laughter]
>>Reto Meier: It really does. [Laughter]
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: So, but the point is that, that, that space is, as of Honeycomb, reserved
for something that will take you to the previous point in the view hierarchy of the application
as opposed to the previous screen that you were on before which is what the system back
button is for.
>>Reto Meier: Exactly.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: And the general iconography for that is that it should have something,
akin to your application icon, in general that's the, like with a left chevron.
>>Reto Meier: Exactly.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: In this case we've bounced between what that looks like a back button
and what that looks like a down button.
>>Reto Meier: So I guess this is an attempt at an overflow menu but on the wrong side.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: You think?
>>Reto Meier: Well, we're choosing leagues so it's kind of settings here at this point.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Okay, but that's the only thing, right? It's not like choose leagues
and a bunch of other stuff.
>>Reto Meier: That's true, that's true. So either way I think you wanna redesign this
into something more like an action bar. So once you go into the app you've got some kind
of iconography on the top saying what the app is
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Now see, of course, like all good Android users I'm swiping
>>Reto Meier: You are swiping.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: There's a really good reason for people to swipe, first, in Android tabs
go on top, as you can see they've already violated.
>>Reto Meier: Yeah.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: And, of course, that makes one thumb navigation more difficult which
we solved by adding the swipe action.
>>Reto Meier: Absolutely.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: So even though that might feel a little bit like an Ambrose Bierce short
story, yeah, I ruined that by not even saying it right.
>>Reto Meier: Yeah. It was almost really good.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah, could've been. You are, you end up having, having to move your thumb
all around, you know, I wanna get to tomorrow, why can't I get to tomorrow by swiping?
>>Reto Meier: Swiping to tomorrow.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: It seems like the normal thing, right?
>>Reto Meier: Absolutely. So you wanna eliminate these and replace them with something which
is more like a view pager type set up, straight away. Move this into an action bar which is
on the top right, get rid of this whole, wow, let's have a look here, get rid of this whole
sort of down chevron button for choosing leagues. If it's something you want users to do then
make it an action, if it's something they should be able to do but don't wanna do very
often then it should probably sit under settings in the overflow menu, but either way it sort
of looks really weird. I do recognize it as a glyph that we used to use in a version of
Android at some point. I vaguely remember back from Cupcake.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: You're absolutely right. Yeah, it was back in the, right, in the Cupcake
and Eclair days back when we didn't have any designers and we were basically just stealing
our art off the internet.
>>Reto Meier: Just making it up as we went along.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Pretty much, yeah.
>>Reto Meier: Sad.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: None of that stuff looked good. I'm just gonna call that right now.
>>Reto Meier: It really didn't and that's the beauty of the new stuff is that it really
does. We've got an incredible design team now which have really spent a lot of time
and effort thinking about how to make stuff look awesome. So when you can, take advantage
of that. We see the same thing here as we saw in the previous app where you've got really
small touch targets and really small text and, again, like we're looking at the league
here, there's no reason why we can't scroll more if we have to.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: See this is what I love about American soccer, by the way. We got Real Salt
Lake which I just can't laugh enough about.
>>Reto Meier: I can't even bring myself to even say that. To me, there has to be a real
salt lake.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: What about this CD Chivas USA, what does that even mean? Is it boned
by the Scotch Company or is there something called a Chiva of which this is the plural?
>>Reto Meier: It could be. They are the Chivas.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Do we have anyone, producer Alex; do we have anyone on YouTube that knows
the answer to this mystery?
>>Alex Lucas: Nobody's commenting.
>>Reto Meier: If anyone--
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: I'm sorry, nobody's commenting at all?
>>Alex Lucas: I'm sorry; nobody's answering your question.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Oh, okay. Are they saying stuff about us?
>>Alex Lucas: Not really, no.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Darn.
>>Reto Meier: Is anyone watching? Hello?
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Right, yeah.
>>Reto Meier: Is this thing on?
>>Alex Lucas: 41 people are watching.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Nice. Hey guys. [Laughter]
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Also, how do you like my haircut? Did you notice I got a football haircut?
>>Reto Meier: True story.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: And I got a football grin, too.
>>Reto Meier: Terrifying. So, yeah, I don't know. I was trying to figure out what the
story was between, behind CD Chivas earlier today and I could not, for the life of me,
figure it out. I don't even know where they play. I don't know, it's a mystery. The good
news is that, the San Jose Earthquakes which is, I guess, our local team.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Oh yeah?
>>Reto Meier: Is leading the Western league.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Awesome. Yeah, right down there in San Jose.
>>Reto Meier: Absolutely.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: By all the used car dealerships and the check cashing places.
>>Reto Meier: Sweet. Go Earthquakes.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Paycheck cashing places are San Jose's second largest business.
>>Reto Meier: Is that right?
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah.
>>Reto Meier: What's it's top business? Is that safe for work?
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: I think it's Adobe.
>>Reto Meier: Oh, that'll do it, yeah. [Laughter]
>>Reto Meier: So yeah, there you go and this is the problem, right? This is a really good
tip, if you find that your users are exiting the app unexpectedly then your navigation
is broken. And that's the thing we see most frequently, where people are using mult--
like you've got multiple tabs here and so you're jumping around and you're choosing
different things and then you get back to here and you've pressed a bunch of buttons.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: I want to go back to where I was.
>>Reto Meier: And you can't quite remember where you started. It's like, well I wanna
go back to just to list of things and so I, oh wait, no that wasn't it.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Although, it's somewhat telling that I wasn't disappointed in the application
result. [Laughter]
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Actually kind of a problem with sports apps in general, we just had a
talk on Thursday, internally, about some sports apps and one of the things that I think we
all agreed on is that these are incredibly challenging because they have to present a
gargantuan amount of information. I mean, sports, if you think about just how much information
needs to be presented in all of the different ways you can slice it and dice it, it is a
serious UI challenge.
>>Reto Meier: Absolutely.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: But that's a great reason to really think this through and to always
follow Android UI guidelines because the more you can make it like all other Android apps,
the more you can make consistent UI decisions that people are gonna expect, the more useable
your apps gonna be and you have to target useability because you have so much to present
that your app, out of the gate, is already confusing.
>>Reto Meier: Absolutely. I mean, anything which is so rich in data runs that risk. So
it's really, the navigation is probably your biggest challenge. Otherwise, the app itself
is pretty good. I mean, you've got your stats, you've got your scores, you know, all this
sort of stuff really the key here is that this whole app just kind of needs a navigation
refresh and a UI refresh, something to bring it up to standard with sort of your ICS type
imagery and layouts.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: And I'm just gonna make one other comment on the, you know, the gradients
here, uh, I don't like that. I think it's unnecessary and the thing is, I'm a big fan
gradients, I think gradients can look really incredible and a lot of times they're much
better than a flat screen but A, they are a little bit tired right now, they're sort
of, they've been done.
>>Reto Meier: They're kind of the lens flare of the 10's.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Right. But more than that, gradients look good in isolation. When you
stack a bunch on top of each other like this then the eye starts picking up this pattern
and it ends up looking kind of cheesy.
>>Reto Meier: It does, it really does. If you're not gonna have them sort of, you know,
flowing between different colors like some sort of old school like jukebox type scenario
then, yeah, it's just gonna be distracting instead.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Right. So, in fact, if you look at some of the things we've done with
gradients that I think were very attractive, we've done things like, take a list and then
put a continuous gradient all the way down the screen behind it. That's also fairly expensive.
>>Reto Meier: Absolutely.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: That's not easy to do and not all devices can handle it but it looks
fantastic. Whereas, just stacking these up like this is
>>Reto Meier: Yeah, it's a waste.
>>Alex Lucas: We have a couple questions on the screen, actually.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Awesome. >>Reto Meier: Yes, please.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: We'd love to answer some live questions.
>>Alex Lucas: First, Gerald Smith asks, "Overflow menu, what does he mean by that?" If you could
describe what, go into a little more detail about what you're referring to when you say
the overflow menu.
>>Reto Meier: Absolutely, so the overflow menu is the extra menu options that you see
on the action bar when, let's have a look; we'll fire up, what's a good app for the overflow
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Playstore.
>>Reto Meier: We'll go with the Playstore.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: It has an overflow menu. There you go.
>>Reto Meier: So this is the overflow menu. Let's try and just get to the standard action
bar if we can. So here is your typical actions and then everything just behind that menu
bar is the overflow menu. So that's where you wanna put things which users need to get
to but they're probably not the most important things. So, settings, anything like about,
account information, you know, the sorts of things they have here are perfect examples
of what you wanna put in the overflow.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Exactly and it's worth mentioning that the overflow contents can actually change;
now in this case they haven't. But there are apps where, given a little more horizontal
space, you'd actually see more action icons over here on the right and then the overflow
menu would have fewer options in it, Gmail, for instance.
>>Reto Meier: Yeah, Gmail is a good one.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: In general, what you wanna do is think of your action bar as having two
essential pieces, you know, one over the left you've got the navigation piece and that is
split into your up affordance, in this case, as we talked about the left chevron, the icon
and usually some indication of where you're at, in this case it's our search results,
NFL. And then potentially another navigational piece like a dropdown.
>>Reto Meier: Yeah.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: And then over on the right, you've got the second major portion of your
action bar which is the action piece and that's gonna be a set of icons. If, if you want you
can put text here as well, although that's usually not quite as effective, it certainly
takes up more horizontal space, and then the overflow. Now you'll also see, on some devices,
on some apps, a menu that looks like the overflow menu down here in the corner. Now we call
that the menu button of shame.
>>Reto Meier: Yeah.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: And the reason is the only time you see that menu button is when you
haven't updated your app for an SDK, a target SDK that's greater than Honeycomb.
>>Reto Meier: Absolutely. And then most, see this is the proper one of shame. So there's
two versions of this, there's the unfortunate version where you've got an app and you haven't
updated it yet so you haven't figured out how your pre existing menu is going to work
with an action bar. So that takes a little bit of thought so that's not good. But what
this is is the real, the real button of shame. Which is here and it does absolutely nothing.
So all you do is change your target SDK and that will go away.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: You know, the worst thing is on some devices with custom UIs having
that button there will actually do a bunch of layout changes.
>>Reto Meier: Oh, wow.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: It'll actually put the menu button over top of the system buttons.
>>Reto Meier: Nice.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: So having that be empty is extremely unfortunate.
[Laughter] >>Ian Ni-Lewis: Now you're just taken up screen
real estate for absolutely no reason at all.
>>Reto Meier: No. Nice. Okay, was there another question, Alex?
>>Alex Lucas: Yeah, Gerald says thanks.
>>Reto Meier: No worries, Gerald.
>>Alex Lucas: The next question is from a Ross Larson who says, "Can we talk about app
permissions here? I couldn't install this year's version of the NFL draft tracker app
because my app, because my device didn't have an onboard GPS."
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Oh, you know, it's, we would love to talk about app-- in fact we should
do a complete show on app permissions.
>>Reto Meier: I think we will. I think we'll do an app, an office hours on permissions.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Right, but the problem is we don't have a show called the Friday rant.
>>Reto Meier: That's true. The Friday rage.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: And we still haven't got permission to utter pornography and use profanity.
>>Alex Lucas: You're on for an hour a week, dude, that's the feat.
>>Reto Meier: Utter pornography, that's interesting.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: It's pornography and profanity involved with permissions.
>>Reto Meier: And profanity, that would be quite a show.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Although I'm not 100 percent that he's asking for permission, there's also
features that come into play here.
>>Reto Meier: I think that's, this is the issue is that if you request certain permissions,
then for legacy reasons that implies a feature requirement as well and GPS is one of those
if you request a find or course locator, well, no, if you request find location then the
system will imply that, well, actually, you're probably meant to require a GPS as well.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah, so, you're absolutely right, you know, being unable to install that
on a system that doesn't have a GPS is an indication that the app has done something
that we consider to be sketchy. First, they haven't made it so you can have an optional
permission or an optional feature but, more importantly, they're requiring find location
which is unusual and almost always indicates that they have an ad network that's attempting
to track you at an inappropriate level.
>>Reto Meier: Yeah, this is true. I mean, obviously it's gonna depend on the app and
you're gonna have to figure out based on, you know, what they offer if that makes sense
and I suspect if it's anything that's displaying video, they may be using the find location
to figure out where you are to make sure they have the rights to show you that video in
that location.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Course location would do that as well, right?
>>Reto Meier: It should be at the very least city, you know, accurate to a city level which
definitely should be sufficient for anything like rights management.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: The thing too is if you are doing that then that's, that's totally insecure
because you're just trusting the client to say where it's at, that could be hijacked
so easily. So I think most video services would be--
>>Reto Meier: A little more clever.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: In general, they'll do IP filtering which is easy to spoof as well but
more costly.
>>Reto Meier: Yeah. Okay, so, for developers out there wondering how you can get around
this, you can simply specify a user's feature and specify location as a required false which
effectively makes it optional. Then, within your app you'll need to check to see whether
or not there is a GPS or some form of location sensing hardware available before you make
those location update requests.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: And consider that, not just for GPS, but for other things that you may
or may not find. For instance, a back facing camera.
>>Reto Meier: That's a good one, yeah.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah, if you ask for a camera, well, several devices, and the most important
one to us being the Nexus 7, do not have rear facing cameras and the rear facing camera
is what you get if you say you need a camera. I think that's a little confusing, honestly.
>>Reto Meier: It can be but it's one of those legacy type deals where, you know, when we
put in the user's feature and permission for a camera, it was only rear facing camera.
So, yeah.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: In general, I think the rule of thumb is don't ask for a feature or permission
unless you're app depends on it.
>>Reto Meier: Absolutely.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: If that's what your app is all about, if all your app does is take photos,
then by all means say that a camera is required. But, if your app has any other functionality,
for instance, viewing sets of photos or applying filter effects to your photos, then don't
require a camera because people might want to do that with a set that they've uploaded
to Google Plus or that things that they've downloaded from their camera or whatever.
>>Reto Meier: Cause keep in mind, for those users, Nexus 7 users aren't going to be outraged
to find out they can't take photos with your photo taking app given that they have a device
without a camera.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: They'll figure that out.
>>Reto Meier: They'll, exactly, they'll know what to expect. So you wanna give them as
much as they can so they can still do, you know, the other things.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Okay, now, I'm just gonna say we've covered a grand total of 2 apps.
>>Reto Meier: We've done well.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: And engineer Daniel is over there going like this.
>>Reto Meier: Going, I'm gonna have no time to set up this next show.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Because engineer Daniel thinks that he is the producer of the show. But--
>>Reto Meier: That's because engineer, because engineer Daniel is gonna be on the next show,
right? So he just doesn't wanna have his time in the sun curtailed by us going over.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: That's true. That is very true.
>>Reto Meier: We're on to you, Daniel.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: The truth is, I think we've looked at what most of the apps in this category
do, you know, pretty deeply. Feature wise and in terms of the mistake that we've seen
people make, so why don't we just really quickly, do a lightening round, we have DFB.
>>Reto Meier: I think all the sort of sports updates, news and scores I think are all gonna
be pretty much along the same lines. Did you wanna have; did you wanna spend a couple of
minutes looking at any of the fantasy football apps?
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: I think we better not. I think, we talked, we looked at the one app that had
some things we didn't like about it and I think it'd be fair to look at some of these
other apps because I think they do things better or worse. For instance, DFB, despite
the fact that it's completely in German, I found myself liking it a lot.
>>Reto Meier: It's just got a much more conventional style here. We've got a normal action bar
with a normal layout, navigation on the left, swipable view pager, it looks really nice.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah, it makes me; it makes me feel like I'm reading a sports page.
>>Reto Meier: Yes. This is a key and this is, again, something we discussed internally,
It's like, the thing about any sports news information is that imagery is really important
to that and so we watch sports for the imagery it contains and so you wanna have something
which is like reading a magazine, lots of images, lots of video, lots of full bleed
content so that you sort of, swiping through looking at stuff and getting seen what catches
your eye, that's really powerful.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: In fact, the only thing that I would love to see is for these pictures
here to actually be larger.
>>Reto Meier: Absolutely.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Now we've complained some about apps that put text over images when
that's inappropriate especially for social apps, for instance, that have images that
are user created, you never know exactly what you're gonna get.
>>Reto Meier: Absolutely.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: but in this case you do and it's almost always appropriate to bleed this
through just the way they've done here.
>>Reto Meier: Exactly. The way that you've got it here on the title, if it was just all
of the items in that list done the same way, I think that would look fantastic.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Now do you see? It just synced and the sync icon rotated.
>>Reto Meier: Automatically.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Beautiful.
>>Reto Meier: Very nice.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Very nice. I don't know what this is.
>>Reto Meier: Nothing good.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Apparently it's the crash button.
>>Reto Meier: It's the, yeah, the quick exit button.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: But you can see they've done exactly what we ask in action bar.
>>Reto Meier: Perfect.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Which means I know exactly how to use this application. I know that I'm
gonna see actions up here, I know if I wanna share it's gonna be there, I'm guessing this
is gonna make the text bigger or smaller, that's nice.
>>Reto Meier: That makes sense.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: If I wanna save this for later what am I gonna do?
>>Reto Meier: You're gonna hit the star, right?
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Absolutely. Star button.
>>Reto Meier: It's kind of the wrong color but that's okay and it probably wants to be
offset a little bit so it doesn't tip the edges.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: It's probably one of those European star buttons.
>>Reto Meier: But, you know, I'm nit picking at this point.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Everything's different over there.
>>Reto Meier: The other thing I'd also, you've got some crashing issues.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah and the up affordance is a little different.
>>Reto Meier: It's a little sketchy, yeah. It's not quite right. The other thing I'd
point out as well is we have this mixture of icon style. So, you can see here that we're
presumably using the system built in icons for refresh and share but the ones that these
guys have built themselves are slightly different colors. I don't know if this comes across
on the video but these are gray and the custom ones here are white.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: It's really tough to get right.
>>Reto Meier: It is hard to get right. But it's worth doing and it's also worth doing
them all yourself so rather than depending on the system to provide some, use the system
provided ones, I believe they're available for download from
these days and so you, this way you don't have to worry about the system changing any
of them on a different implementation.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Although hopefully that won't happen nearly as much anymore.
>>Reto Meier: Indeed, indeed.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Particularly with different manufacturers putting skins on their devices,
you never know for certain, what icons they're gonna provide. So by providing them yourself
you have that security.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Okay, and just really quickly, I think the last thing we were gonna look
at was the live score thing. See, loading countries, right there, my American sensibility
>>Reto Meier: Yeah, it's out the window.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah.
>>Reto Meier: See, quick set up should be done automatically. So, again, you don't wanna
have to go through and do all this the first time, you just wanna jump straight in to whatever
you think is the most obvious. Now, whether that's choosing countries based on the current
location using course location to get an idea or just picking the countries which most people
use, all those sorts of things are gonna provide a better experience if you can get started
straight away.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah, absolutely. So of course I'm gonna follow Real Salt Lake.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Okay, so, in general, this has some good stuff going for it. It's got
the, it's obviously syncing or something but it's showing me something while it's syncing.
>>Reto Meier: You get done straight away and that's really important.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yeah and it's a really pretty, I love the color.
>>Reto Meier: It's really nice. Again, the text is really, really small.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: It's a little small.
>>Reto Meier: I think this is a common problem for people who are going, "We have so much
data, how do we display it all at once?" Well, you don't have to display it at once.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Right.
>>Reto Meier: Better to have fewer things on screen and let people do a flick scroll
or a left, right scroll.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: The very last thing I wanna mention is although this looks like an action
bar, it's not. It doesn't act the way an action bar does, it doesn't have an up affordance,
it doesn't have actions on the right, it's got navigation here but one of the navigation
things is more which does not include, it's not just navigation.
>>Reto Meier: And, in fact, this is really, most of this stuff should belong in the overflow
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Exactly. So, you might wanna think about actually just moving to a standard
Android action bar or if that just doesn't suit your sensibility maybe moving to a drawer
pattern or something like that.
>>Reto Meier: Absolutely.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: And that is definitely all the time we have but we've been able to cover
all the apps so I'm really pleased about that. Thanks very much to our engineer Daniel Pham
and our producer Alex Lucas and I think it's about time to sign off.
>>Reto Meier: Yeah. I think we'll sign out. So we're gonna have, engineer Daniel is gonna
come in front of the camera and join you, I think, this, this week, Ian.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Yes.
>>Reto Meier: We're gonna have a look at some NFL games. That should be exciting and I'm
not sure what we've got scheduled for next week in terms of the app clinic. Do we know
for certain?
>>Daniel Pham: We actually haven't decided yet but you made a great post on G Plus asking
for topics so I think we should take a look at that and, you know, choose based on what
people wanna see.
>>Reto Meier: Perfect.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: That was your personal G Plus, right?
>>Reto Meier: Yeah, it was. So we're gonna go through that list and see what you guys
want us to have a look at and we'll update the moderator page with the details for that
and look for your suggestions over the, well, what is for us here in the US at least, a
long weekend.
>>Ian Ni-Lewis: Excellent.
>>Reto Meier: So, until then, enjoy the weekend and hopefully stayed tuned for the Friday
games review. Goodbye.