North American International Auto Show Day 2 - Road Testament

Uploaded by drive on 10.01.2012


MIKE SPINELLI: Hey, it's Mike Spinelli.
We're at the Detroit Auto Show.
I'm here with Leo Parente.
It's Road Testament, is what you're watching on Drive, and
we got some cars to talk about here at the show on the
veranda of the Detroit Auto Show.
LEO PARENTE: To set the stage, we want your feedback on the
cars we're going to talk about.
So you're not just listening to two more talking heads.
So @DriveTV on Twitter or leave a comment in the
comments below, which I know you're going to do.
MIKE SPINELLI: So car one.
Code 30.
LEO PARENTE: Car one and two.
Go ahead.
MIKE SPINELLI: Car one and two.
Let's just set this up.
GM, Chevrolet showed a couple of concepts.
They're kind of cool?
Kind of not?
What do you think?
LEO PARENTE: Beyond kind of.
They are cool.
They're trying to get the young people to help them
decide which car to build.
One is a rear-drive coupe.
MIKE SPINELLI: Right, the coupe 30.
LEO PARENTE: One is a front-drive more fastback
aero-type thing.
MIKE SPINELLI: The true 140 S. The Code 30 kind of reminds me
of the BMW 1 M. And the concept is kind of cool
because it's like a BMW 1 M for half the price and about
80% of the capability.
I think that would be a really cool thing to have.
LEO PARENTE: And your 1 M has trappings of traditional
Chevrolet and the white front-drive is more
progressive moving ahead.
Do you want to know what we think or should we just wait
for you to tell us which one you like best?
You guys can tell us.
I like the Code 30.
The true 140 S looks a little bit like a Mitsubishi Eclipse
from back in the day, but a little bit more high tech.
LEO PARENTE: It was American verses Asian.
Moving on.
Moving on.
Dodge Dart, a car that I really think looks much better
in person than in the pictures.
LEO PARENTE: The lines are a very clean.
It's like dating an Italian American--
a basic appearance on the exterior, but all that Italian
passion underneath with the chassis.
MIKE SPINELLI: Basic appearance?
LEO PARENTE: Have you looked at Americans?
It's good.
LEO PARENTE: I really like that car for all the
technology and the interior.
Cool technology, great interior.
A really nice look.
It looks like if the Dodge Neon had never gone away and
they just progressed it up to a really up-to-date level.
Like it.
Like it.
Acura NSX.
LEO PARENTE: What do you think?
MIKE SPINELLI: I don't like it.
MIKE SPINELLI: I don't dislike it.
LEO PARENTE:You said you didn't like it, so why don't
you like it?
MIKE SPINELLI: The reason I don't like it--
I think its derivative of the R8 and I have a feeling that
it's going to look dated pretty soon, like maybe in a
couple of months.
It's going to look like a dated design.
LEO PARENTE: OK, well you may be white-- right.
MIKE SPINELLI: I may be white?
LEO PARENTE: Well you may be white and right.
I completely disagree with you.
The only derivative part is they're both mid-engine.
The technology is different.
The shape is more aggressive.
To me it makes the R8 look old.
The scale of the NSX is smaller--
and we all know smaller is better.
LEO PARENTE: I'd want that car.
And by the way, they're going to build it in Ohio.
Does it matter if an exotic comes out of Ohio?
MIKE SPINELLI: That's kind of amazing.
LEO PARENTE: I say it doesn't matter at all.
The car is a star.

MIKE SPINELLI: If they can make it cheaper in Ohio with
the currency differences, I think it's awesome.
Lexus LF-LC.
Kind of a take on the LFA's design.
What do you think?
LEO PARENTE: Inspired by the LFA.
MIKE SPINELLI: Inspired by the LFA.
LEO PARENTE: But you spoke to Mark Templin a little bit.
Let's see what Mark had to say.
MARK TEMPLIN: We all like to drive cars.
Those of us in the industry love to drive fun cars.
And cars like this are aspirational.
They make great halos to all the other
products that we sell.
So I think you're going to find that with the styling and
driving dynamics.
The technology we put in our cars, we're trying to create
that halo that does paint a picture over
everything that we do.
MIKE SPINELLI: Now is there anything you can say about
what this might imply for future products?
MARK TEMPLIN: Well, sure.
I think that a lot of the design elements you see in
this car will definitely show up in a lot of the future
products that we bring to market.

MIKE SPINELLI: You used to have a car that
looked a lot like this.
The very--
MARK TEMPLIN: You must be talking about the first
generation SC, which was front-engine, rear-drive fun.
Everybody really liked the car.
Would you like to see this as a next-generation SC?
MIKE SPINELLI: So, yeah, noncommittal on whether Lexus
is going to build the LF-LC.
I always have to look at the card for that one.
For some reason the name isn't connecting.
LEO PARENTE: And the sign is way over there, and
I still blow it.
MIKE SPINELLI: Oh, it's right there.
OK, sorry.
LEO PARENTE: That's a corporate noncommital.
They're going to build that car.
You were right, it's going to replace the SC.
I like that there's a Lexus signature showing up.
The LFA sidegills are going to show up on this car.
The nose-tail proportions.
I think the car is good.
The only thing on their concept is probably a little
bling-bling and the wider rear fender flares, but at the end
of the day, if they build that, they've got a good car
to work with.
MIKE SPINELLI: I think so.
Cadillac ATS.
LEO PARENTE: You tell me what you think, because I've got a
strong opinion.
MIKE SPINELLI: Well it's funny.
After all the send up after the Nurburgring stuff and the
videos, I was expecting a little more of a
performance-oriented launch.
I mean, it's pretty nice.
I like what they've done with it.
LEO PARENTE: But that's the corporate launching
the base car first.
There's probably performance there.
They damned themselves by saying they're benchmarking
against the 3 Series.
That's a Cadillac.
That's not a European car.
It's got no vibe, as you said, with the spirit of a
performance driving.
I know it's lighter weight, I know it's got a great engine,
I know we need to drive it.
There's no way that you can compare that to a 3 Series in
my opinion.
So it's kind of a pseudo fail because it's just moving the
bar around Cadillac, not anywhere forward.
MIKE SPINELLI: It's a volume car for Cadillac.
They need younger buyers too.
I'm waiting for the ATSV, though.
LEO PARENTE: It's going to go against BMW.
They need the V. I'm curious what you think, but I'm not
sold on it yet.
What else you got?
Lincoln MKX concept.
What do you think of that thing?
LEO PARENTE: Well my reaction, I guess, says it all.
That was a design statement to move you're thinking of what
Lincoln should be-- move it ahead.
I say it moved it not enough.
They've got a lot of work to do to change Lincoln.
MIKE SPINELLI: I think this is too much imagery, not enough
product from them.
We have to see more product from Lincoln to judge whether
they're going to be making it back [INAUDIBLE].
We did talk to BMW.
There were two stories come out of BMW.
There's a six-speed story and the new 3 Series.
MIKE SPINELLI: A six-speed story, yeah.
We talked to Matt Russell, M Brand Manager in the US.
Let's see what he had to say.
MATT RUSSELL: In North America, we're going to offer
the M5 with a no-cost six-speed manual
probably the most distinguishing feature for the
North American market.
MIKE SPINELLI: And why is that?
Why is the US market getting the six-speed as opposed to--
MATT RUSSELL: It's based on historical sales success of
the six-speed manual M5 and M6, for that
matter, in North America.
The 6-speed manual option was offered starting later in the
life cycle in the last version with the V10, and it proved to
be very popular for several years, so we're bringing it
back for another round.
We'll see how it does this time.
MIKE SPINELLI: It's a good job, America, buying manuals
on the BMW M5.
LEO PARENTE: And good job, BMW, for making the commitment
to America.
But the big news-- we should have taken Cadillac over to
see the new 3 Series.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah, 3 Series, this is the first time we've
seen this in the US.
We talked to Albert Ganzer, the product
manager for the 3 Series.
How do you change an icon and how do you
update it to make it--
it's arguably the most important car for BMW.
ALBERT GANZER: Well the hard thing for us was to bring the
new 3 Series to the market to keep its iconic nature by
revolutionizing the industry again, as we do
with every new 3 Series.
when we always keep the fire burning.
The overall dimension increased.
We made it a little longer.
So we listened to our customers, and the customers
said, well, we would like to have more room in the back.
So we increased it and most of that length increase we put in
the leg room in the rear bench.
So now you have a very spacious interior.
And of course, yes, as you said, the dimensions in the
rear bench, in the leg room, it's E39.
So the 5 Series two generations ago.
I haven't driven it yet.
What do you think of it so far?
LEO PARENTE: I like the new nose, where they put the
headlights attached to the grills.
I'm sure it moves 3 ahead, technologically designed, but
it's bigger.
It's a larger car now.
MIKE SPINELLI: It's funny.
It's as big as the old 5 Series, the E39 era--
was it 10 years ago?
The 5.
It's as big as the five.
It's amazing.
We'll see how that works out when you drive it.
So that's it for us from the Detroit Auto
Show on Road Testament.
Watch Chris Harris on Cars next.
LEO PARENTE: You've been waiting for that?
Here we go.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yes. @DriveTV on Twitter.