Alaska Police Officer Actually Illegal Immigrant with Stolen Identity

Uploaded by MidweekPolitics on 26.04.2011

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There is a popular police officer, Rafael Espinosa, who has been found to be an illegal
immigrant. He has been a police officer for years. Did you hear about this story, Louis?
Louis: No, I did not.
David: Oh, good. This is from Anchorage, Alaska, and for years, he was known as Rafael Espinosa,
he was widely respected as a good police officer, he was popular among his peers in Anchorage,
and it turns out he is really Rafael Mora-Lopez. He was in the U.S. illegally, he stole another
man's identity, according to officials. And what's incredible is he-- everybody, all his
peers say he has an incredible reputation as a hard-working officer.
So this really opens up the door... it confirms a lot of things, does it not? It confirms,
number one, that this fear that all illegal immigrants are here to do harm certainly is
not true. It confirms that even the screening methods that exist even for police, apparently,
may not be good enough, because it did not turn this up.
Louis: Right.
David: And again, this is a little bit of a different situation because he just took
on the identity of someone who is a legal immigrant, so it's more of a mistaken identity
case rather than an...
Louis: It wasn't a fabricated identity.
David: Exactly. Well... right. That's correct.
Louis: Yeah.
David: So, you know, some people are saying do the six-plus years count for anything,
maybe this is more about the system than the person, he should be allowed to stay. My thought,
I really have a hard time getting past the fact that he broke the law, he's supposed
to uphold the law, what about the rights of the real Mr. Espinosa, and suppose that this
happened to you, would you just say well, yeah, he can stay as a police officer, let's
just switch his name back to the real one? It's very hard for me to buy that. I know
we'll get emails from people giving me reasons why this is a case where the man should be
allowed to stay, but he has committed a crime.
Louis: Right.
David: I wonder if he ever had to check citizenship status of other people or has dealt with illegal
immigrants in his police work.
Louis: Yeah, he is in Alaska, so probably would not happen as often, you know, as it
would in Arizona.
David: Sure.
Louis: But I wonder how this is going to work considering he's been getting paid, he's been
paying taxes, I wonder if that will be a factor that could keep him here.
David: Why would it be?
Louis: If he's been paying into the system, I mean, perhaps in some way...
David: Plenty of illegals pay into the system when they... I mean, they're not... we know
about illegal immigrants that work under the table, but there's many that don't, and they're
all paying into the system. I don't think it grants them any kind of better status when
they go before an immigration judge.
Louis: I mean, can you be paying into the system if you don't even have a Social Security
David: Well, in other words, I think Mr. Mora-Lopez was the one paying into the system. The police
officer was paying into the system under the name that he had assumed.
Louis: Well, of course, yeah.
David: Right.
Louis: He was using someone's Social Security number.
David: Sure. So his own identity I don't think has paid into any system, other than, of course,
anytime he goes shopping and pays sales tax, he's certainly paying into the system that
way, one could argue.
Louis: Yeah, true. But he himself has paid into the system.
David: Yeah.
Louis: Yeah.
David: Well, in the way that I mentioned.
Louis: Right. It's weird.
David: We'll see what happens with it.
Louis: Yeah.
David: I believe that he did break the law, he's going to have to face the consequences
of it. And they might be pretty serious, because working as a police officer for this long
under a fake identity sounds serious to me.
Louis: We'll have to keep an eye on it.
David: Fox News, according to some, is dumping Sarah Palin, and I guess arguably campaigning
for Donald Trump. I'm not totally sure if this is accurate. There's a clip I want to
play for you here, and the argument that's being made is Fox News now is giving Sarah
Palin less of a prominent place on the network. She is a contributor. They are very much pushing
the fact that Donald Trump is doing very well in the polls, and that's kind of the angle.
So I'll play this. I don't know that I actually hear in this clip any kind of wholesale endorsement
for Donald Trump. You tell me, Louis. You tell me what you think, and then we'll talk
about it.
Liz Peek: ... start actually looking at his business career, looking at his personal life.
A lot of people don't know that he's gone bankrupt several times. You're not going to
turn over a failing economy or a struggling economy to someone who can't manage his own
affairs better. I think he started out doing this because it was sort of fun and glamorous
and he got a lot of attention, but I agree with Ed, this time before the last election,
Hillary Clinton was way out ahead of Barack Obama, it's much too early to consider this
a serious candidate.
Gretchen Carlson: And yet the word on the street, Tara, is that the Democrats are most
fearful of Donald Trump right now.
David: OK. So that's basically it.
Louis: Is that the word on the street? That's news to me.
David: The word on the street is Democrats are the most fearful of Donald Trump. I think
that that's completely wrong. Democrats should be thrilled if Donald Trump becomes, among
all of these politicians and allegedly great people and great potential leaders, if Donald
Trump becomes the nominee, given his personal past bankruptcies, so on and so forth, business
bankruptcies, and the fact that he has made the birther issue front and center, I don't
think Democrats should be afraid of that. I think they should welcome it, to be completely
Louis: Well, I think he's just using the birther issue to pick up steam, and he could abandon
it at any time...
David: Yeah, I don't think...
Louis: And take up real issues.
David: I don't think it'll work.
Louis: I would much rather see Michele Bachmann or Sarah Palin win the Republican primary.
David: Well, with regard to Palin and Fox, her share of media coverage went from 51%
in November of 2010 to 11% this month, and really, most of it seems to be going to Trump.
Trump's media coverage has gone from 1% to 40% in that same amount of time. The perception
for many is Donald Trump has replaced Palin as the kind of right-wing darling, and the
decline in media coverage has definitely hurt Sarah Palin's poll numbers with Republicans.
It's basically been cut in half, from 20% to 10%. Trump's coverage is fueled by all
sorts of appearances on channels all over the place. As we know, Palin refuses to appear
on any networks other than Fox for interviews, so she actually completely is dependent now
on Fox, and they're not giving her as much play.
Louis: And if she wants more attention, she's going to have to run for president.
David: Yeah, well, and I don't think she wants to. I don't think she wants to be president.
And I guess some are saying, according to "New York Magazine", that Roger Ailes told
Sarah Palin do not post the blood libel video, but Palin did anyway, and that that did not...
that was the beginning of the end, some are saying.
Louis: Yeah.
David: Or the beginning of the decline with Fox News. I believe Sarah Palin is completely
done. That's just my sense. I don't know what else to tell you.
Louis: We'll see.
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