The Roll of Rock solid Imagery of Early Egypt

Uploaded by WafeekWahby on 20.04.2012

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>> Dr. Allen Lanham: Well goood afternoon
and welcome back to Booth Library.
We start our third week of activites celebrating the
civilization of ancient Egypt, and today we have one of the
library's favorite people she is the graphic-designer, and here
in the library services she's also the university's
photographer, great artistic comrade and many projects for
libraries and universities around the state.
So that will be quite a treat.
To welcome her will be Dr. Wafeek Wahby
the chair of this series.
>> Dr. Wafeek Wahby: Well thank you for coming,
and welcome to this session of the ancient Egypt symposium.
Today we are for a treat the person behind almost, I say 90%
of the pictures taken if we take the Daily News out the equation
is Beverly Cruse, and that's the reason why the images are so
artistic because she is an artist herself, and the problem
with that is that you can't see her in these images because
she's always behind the camera.
So today she will roll and rock the rocks for us from ancient
civilization of Egypt to see what these guys did back then to
have photography quote unquote version of things.
Beverly Cruse.
>> Beverly Cruse: Hi, hi yay.
Good afternoon, thank you for coming you know I've been really
nervous about this because as they say
I've always been behind a camera.
Do you know my, do you know what I have I want to show you a
picture of my son, I haven't seen you in
a while and let's see here.
[audience laughing]
He's changed so much since you've saw him last.
Well I must've left his picture by the door, I was using him as
a door stop earlier I'm sorry.
[laughs] Thats' just to get you, get you going those are my
thoughts as I agreed to talk about Egyptian art or images
from Egypt, early Egypt.
And at first I thought yeah that'd be a piece a cake and
then once I got to digging into it and really seeing this wow.
No photoshop I can't run up to the book store and get some new
pens or pencils or film whatever I might need to create a project
photo albums those type of things.
This civilization or this culture actually used what was
available there way back B.C, 2000 B.C some of the things that
I'm going to show you today are around 2,000 B.C on up, and
everything that I looked at I gained a new appreciation for
and I'm not a, I'm a artist from the photography stand point and
it is considered an art, but to look at how they documented
their past, celebrated their families their culture and those
type of things.
I feel pretty lazy really if you stop and think about it, and as
you're doing you know creating a statue, and you hit the hammer
wrong you start over again.
And many of the pieces that I looked at were you know fairly
large pieces even look at the pyramids you know it's like what
were you thinking that piece there is not going to hold that
wall up you've got to start over again.
The monumental task of what they had to accomplish with the
resources that they had and as a the hieroglyphics and things
that I looked at and the colors the paintings and that type of
thing that they did they didn't have a jar of paint they went
and pulled off the shelf.
They had to create those colors themsleves.
So I really gained a new appreciation for the early
artist that paved the way if you will for what we're able to do
today and it gives me a new sense of appreciation for
creativity, talent, those things and you know it't they had a lot
of spare time on their hands if they weren't involved in
construction of the pyramids, but they didn't have the
resources that we have.
I can walk into my office sit down and Dr. Lanham can say I
need a picture for you know boom 30 minutes later I can usually
photogaph it, print it, and have it to him.
They were doing they were spending a lot of time to
accomplish those things, and then the heiroglyphics that you
look at might be the whole story of a season of harvest or some
crisis or the lifetime of a king those types of things, and those
you can't accomplish over night so...
[laughs] I found this cartoon I had add a little bit it's like
how on earth did they do that, and I've always loved this
cartoon strip, and so this is what I found they're very
creative they managed to capture things and sometimes kind of a
crude way, but you did know what they were
accomplishing, trying to accomplish.
A lot of things that they did were in their art either was for
tributes to royalty, might be for funerals lots of art work
was for funerals.
They really decorated the place up and it was all permanent.
We're lucky enough to be able to, some of that is still
available now to look at.
And then their projects they did a lot of decorative arts and
utiltarian pieces that, again they used to show different
things about in their class.
Oops, let's go on up.
So...technical difficulties.
>> male speaker: You have to move
the mouse up.
>> Beverly Cruse: I have to move
the mouse over.
Clear off?
>> male speaker: A no, on the
screen, there you go.
>> Beverly Cruse: Okay.
[laughs] Okay, I'm a Mac this is tough for
me, but if you look at the details in the images and this
was a long strecth of artwork that I have pieces broken down
on through here that show the detail.
This was from Thebes, it's a tomb of Ramose's wall painting
of a funeral procession and during the period of 1580 to
1085 in other ways that threw me too, it's reversed.
You know it messed me up because I though oh Bev.
you have a typo, but no.
So then the next all the detail and we've broken it down into
parts of the procession and you'll see all the colors in the
sketches and then more on the heiroglyphics in the back up in
the back wall a lot of detail.
Here's another section of it and that's the female mourners that
they've painted into the setting of the tomb this is where they
bring in the tributes in bring tribute that's looks like
vegetables and that type of fruit.
Looks like we've got a leopard hanging there being given for
the tribute and then more servants
bearing produce to the tomb.
And then the cattle and more workers, there's a close up
detail of the cow herd that they're showing.
So the detail and things that you know they're creating this
just from their memory and it's left as a history for us today.
We, we rely on cameras and digital files and things and as
I look through this how many of you leave your digital files on
your camera until it crashes and then you have no photographs and
or you put it off on your computer and then you get a new
computer and you don't bother to transfer your files
or back up your files.
Your history is disappearing because of that and they
preserve their history in the tombs so that we could look at
it today and see what their life was like.
Portrait of a lady they always, I didn't see any ugly women in
any of the artwork you know I think that's great you know
maybe they did have photoshop who knows,
but lots of beautiful women.
And this is the from the tomb is just the ceiling of the tomb and
it's a golden room cosmological scene which again lots of detail
across the bottom it's like layers and how long do you think
it took them to create that?
Alot longer than it would take me in photoshop you know they
can't copy and paste on those pieces.
And another thing that Papyrus was popular for to paint on and
this is from one of the books and it tells a story of how they
Ani's widow's grieving.
The detail, the colors, and then all the heiroglyphics at the
bottom is just I can just see hours it kind of reminds me of
the aisleway history poster.
You know blood, sweat, and tears, but
they were dedicated that was their specialty and thank
goodness someone found that as a vocation that they could record
those for us today.
And then the next one again is this piece is on wood and a wood
and steel worshiper adoring this dude.
The colors are so bright and such a nice variety of things,
and to think that they've held up all these years just kind of
blows me away.
The other thing is if they were doing sculpture they didnt have
a chance, like I said they didn't have a chance to redo it.
Once you hit the chisel with the hammer it was there, and so I
thought this cartoon kind of brought it home for us.
And this piece here is a it's the head of a queen and they
think it was made out of yellow jasper, which I'm not sure what
that material is, but they think from the design of it that is
was probably it was from a composite statue where
only the exposed part.
So the hands, the face, were made of jasper and then because
of the yellow color that indicated that it was a woman
and then the size and the detail in her mouth the scale implies
that it was probably a queen.
And they think this just from this amount of the statue that
they belive it was probably Akhetaten principal queen
Nefertiti or his secondary queen Kia.
I apologize for messing those names, but up didn't
learn them on photoshop.
Another example of the sketches in this is a relief, and I
didn't have I would imagine that it's limestone most of the other
pieces were of lime stone that they've created those from, and
this is tells a story of the warriors slaying the enemies
very similiar you know we have pictures today of military and
war, of hunters, the culture that and it's not been
that long ago.
Hunters went out and you know we used to eat fried rabbit you
know so those are things that I have pictures of that with my
dad doing that so...this is a their way of preserving that,
and again heiroglyphics are in they were just like that's kind
of like graffitti from today's they can't leave a blank wall
they got to get in there and dig something out
and move things around.
Another piece that again if you how would maybe perhaps the
heiroglyphics are to hide the mistakes what do you think?
Yeah or oh shoot I didn't mean to do that so I'll just put
another person in this scene no one will remember no one will
know, so that I'm sure there were little ways that you could
conceal your mistakes for it.
The next piece is a this is a sculpture's model and it's been
broken, but it's of a it's made of limestone again and around
380 to 280 and it's a man with and Ibex and a monkey.
An Ibex is a species of a wild goat, that's over here in his
hand it's pretty pocked up, but yeah you
can still make out what it is.
The next piece is this one is made of from black steatite and
what that is a soap rock or a soap stone and this represents
the magical this is an amulet inscribed with magical spells to
ward off stings and bees from deadly animals and insects
representing wild nature and chaos.
The head of the protective god Bes above the Horus strengthens
the magical powers.
How would you like to carry that around in your pocket so you
take care of your bee stings?
Actually it wasn't that bad it was only five and a quarter
inches tall and two inches and a half inches wide so that
wouldn't be too bad for that kind of protection I guess.
The next piece is a piece from the 3rd or the 4th century and
this represents or commemorates the death of Aurella Artemis
perhaps you can tell me who this is?
>> male speaker: One of the godesses.
>> Ms. Cruse: Okay.
And because of the, this is important marble and the
presidents of the greek inscription as well as a woman's
pose point to the greek family possibly christain...she looks
very comfortable on the marble doesn't she?
The next piece then as well for her and because of the important
marble again and the woman's elaborate dress it suggest that
she came from a wealthy family.
So it appears that if you're wealthy you get marble and if
you're not you get limestone whenever they do something for
you, but that would be an indcicator of the
status of the family.
As we go on some of the things that I saw were, some of the
things that I looked at they were kind of over the top and I
though this little cartoon really you
know represented that well.
Some of the artists of course took it the next step.
This statue is of pure silver and it is in let's see its
measurement nine and a half inches tall.
So I don't know how much silver is now per ounce, but that's a
nice little collector's piece in memory of a woman.
Now there were no names associated with this particular
statue so you don't know it could've been a kings
significant other or his wife or notice how they always make 'em
nice and trim and pretty and all that, but out of pure silver.
The next piece the statutette of Ammon is, this is gold of course
men get gold and women get the silver.
[audience laughing]
And this piece is six and seven eighths inches
tall so you know that's a lot of money standing there, so
that would indicate that this is a very
honored person wealthy family.
The next piece is a tapestry shows up in a lot of the
pieces of the art that I was looking at and they always
have a, a significant meaning this was a nereid actually a
sea nymph excuse me and it's renowned for the
large sea nymph or nerieid.
The mythological nereid composed of a naked woman's torso
descending into a fish is what we would know as a mermaid now
probably, and holds a colored glass bowl in her hand.
She only wears expensive costly jewelry, she has a
large emerald around her neck, and there's sapphires
look at those things hanging off her ears, and then she also
has the halo around her head.
The next piece that I thought was interesting again this is
terracotta this was the first piece that I ran across that was
terracotta and they have several.
Terracotta, limestone, and then the metals are usually seem to
be the most common materials for them to do their sculptures.
This piece was originally painted in the red, black,
yellow, and white and it came from the Egyptian tomb and they
think that is was probably a christain woman because of the
cross around her neck.
This is faded out some now, but the
colors were more brightly colored.
>> Ms. Cruse: Hatshepsut.
>> male speaker: Hatshepsut.
>> Ms. Cruse: Hatshepsut.
>> male speaker: Hatshepsut.
>> Ms. Cruse: Hatshepsut, okay
thank you Wafeek.
This happens to be one of the best known of the several of the
female rulers in Egypt and this piece she must, this is life
size...of her.
Now then I don't know what material it didn't show what
material, but to be life size it's 76 and three quarter inches
tall and she apparently was very full of herself as a leader a
ruler that she felt like she was qualified to take over and run a
country which is rather uncommon in those periods.
And then the other pieces that I ran across were as I said they
were either decorative art or utilitarian a lot of vases, vase
to carry water and those type of things and they decorated or
painted scenes images and different items on of their
period on their ceramic or vases, terracotta.
The next piece..this is an arm panel from the king Thutmose.
>> Dr. Wafeek Wahby: Mosis.
>> Ms. Cruse: Tuthmosis okay the
fourth, around 1400 to 1390 B.C.
The detail on it is exquisite, I was thinking oh yeah this is
made carved out of ficus tree, which I always thought those
were just the annoying trees that shed in your house you know
I never envisioned it being them growing large enough to be able
to manage a piece like that, but that's pretty incredible.
I'd like to see the rest of the piece you know that's just
enough to kind of whet your appetite and
see what's going on.
And then another this is a jar in the form of a woman now she's
a little more plump, but the purpose of the jar was to carry
a water those type of things for them.
Okay, again they...some of the things are really kind of in my
sense of the word they're kind of off the wall and I wonder
how, what inspired them to go there?
And this is egypt blue and I, is that a stone Wafeek?
But it's such a brilliant blue that they carved those from
carved it from.
Lots of detail.
And this is again this is painted limestone.
The colors that they've used to paint are so
lifelike and natural that they've come up with.
It just amazes me that they're able to duplicate those types of
things and to be that long ago.
And this is another high priest offering [unclear audio]
triad on a throne.
This actually was made of granite again you wouldn't want
to tap the wrong place with that or you'd be starting all over
again on it as well.
I see great patience coming out of these pieces that as I look
at them that isn't something you can do in a New York minute,
they've had to really think and get the design up here, and then
begin to shape those pieces.
So it's just a really incredible talent.
This is a bas relief of warriors and it again is
painted limestone and see the details across there,
of their different types of weapons.
I think I'd rather have the axe than the sycamore branch,
but hey you know you get whatever you get does
you take whatever you can.
And then this of a hippopotamus hunt.
I'm wondering what they're going to do with
a hippopotamus if they get it considering
the size of their boat.
But it's again the detail and the colors I love and
the geese, ducks, whatever they're going across flying
across it's just amazing what they've come up with.
Again the beauty of women come up again and again and again I
believe this again is another piece of limestone.
This they think is yeah it's carved and they believe that
this a sculptor's model or study in preparation of doing a final
piece for their client.
She has a head dress that's topped with the protective
serpents and then on the other side there was theirs which I
didn't see that other picture, but there's two sides to it so
they could have 3D.
But again it's out of limestone I think limestone is a nice soft
material that they could work with rather quickly, and then to
get a model or a pattern and to go on and do the
heavy duty work.
This is a oh here's this word again Hatshepsut, okay that's a
statue of her and she's beautiful isn't she.
The again this is of painted limestone.
This is the head of a woman it's a marble pigment, do not know
for sure whether it's number two or number three.
It's probably close enough since they were mother daughter that
would be easy to find out, they would resemble each other no
matter what.
Ten and a half inches tall.
>> female speaker: Excuse me.
>> Ms. Cruse: Sure.
Okay, the next two guys are kind of they're rather entertaining
they actually have a purpose they're ugly, but they this is
called a kohl stick holder in form of a Bes image.
A kohl tube is actually a makeup that it's a traditional middle
eastern makeup.
So how would you like to have him holding your eyebrow pencil
for you every morning when you get up and go
to get ready to go to work.
Sort of a whimsical looking guy and then this is a cosmetic jar
in the form of the god Bes.
And he has many domestic duties and which is one of them is to
protect your cosmetics and being full of imperfections.
According to Ancient Fascination with Opposites, perfect is
a god associated with beauty.
His hands if you'll notice there in forms of fist and there's
holes on top of each one, and those were meant to hold
applicator sticks that are now lost through the transition
so...which I thought was awesome.
Okay, so a couple of cute little guys.
Again another vase painted this is a terracotta style
and the 3100 to 2500 B.C.
The detail is beautiful the colors and things very pleasant
to look at and show images of that period.
Can you read thaton the bottom?
>> female speaker: Is that a number on the bottom?
>> Ms. Cruse: Yeah, actually I think
all these art pieces are numbered if you noticed
that it's a trend I think the repository that they're
being held at that's a number for that.
Okay, tapestries again were very popular this one was from wool
and the three in the center are the holy Micheal, holy Mary, and
the holy Gabriel.
And if you'll notice around the edges these are the apostles,
images of the apostles and this is in centimeters and I don't
know I couldn't change it out for you,
but hundreds of centimeters.
But that's in the 500's so there's a lot of detail in there
that they've done by hand as opposed to having a machine to
do that for them.
The next couple of things are statues of husband wife or royal
acquaintances however that would be I let all my acquaintances
hold my left breast.
You know hey.
This is from a limestone you know that woman if she were
alive today she probably wish that it
had blown away in the wind.
[audience laughing]
But again notice the detail, the hair most pieces
the men are much larger they're represented as much
larger people than the women, and I my take on it is they want
you know they're the superior being, and the little woman
following around behind them, but you know
that could be incorrect.
That was one of the things that I noticed when
I went through the art,
And it made me think of the students in the you know,..
I go to take basketball players and the little boys would always
stand up on their tip toes because they wanted to be tall.
So you know just the artist that you've comissioned to do a
statue of you, you can pretty much tell them that you want
your hair to be really beautiful, and your pecs to be
better than anyone elses, and you want your wife or female
companion to be the most beautiful thing that walked on
the earth, and you had those controls.
And we can't dispute that because this is
all we have to go by.
That's a down side of photographs usually before
photoshop they didn't lie what you saw was what you got.
This is a relief of a husband and wife again it's limestone
notice all the detail and again all the heiroglyphics in the
background that are showing.
This includes we have a hunch of beef, a goose, these a bunch of
grapes the inscriptions besides their heads identify them, if
you know what heiroglyphics are you can manage that.
Okay, but again a very detailed piece that today we would think
that somebody made a mold and just mass produced
them, and that isn't necessarily the case there.
The last thing that I noticed a lot of was and I didn't I
could've given you a whole another hour on coffin
decorations the way they decorated their coffins and
their you know the mummies masks and all those things, but we're
all pretty familiar with those things.
But the detail, the paints, the colors are really very rich and
a lot of time was spent to create those things.
This piece was painted on fig wood.
And my final cartoon for the day.
It is it'll make sense to our great, great, great, great,
great grand kids.
[everyone laughing]
All that they you know now that's tongue
in cheek, but you know luckily what we've they managed to
recover from tombs and share you know get into
museums and things.
We get it, and we you know recognize the talents that they
possesed and the detail and the ability to create their paints,
their supplies, to leave behind such a legacy is awesome.
So thank you very much.
>> Wafeek Wahby: Thank you.
[audience applause]
>> Ms. Cruse: No hard questions.
>> Dr. Wafeek Wahby: Well, any questions?
Artistic, photography, Kodek thing?
Microphone please.
>> female speaker: I have a question.
I don't want a microphone.
>> Ms. Cruse: You have to so you can
be on ugh sorry, you dont have to sing just ask a question.
>> female speaker: What does the E
stand for in B.C.E?
>> Ms. Cruse: I don't know.
>> female speaker: Before the Common Era.
>> Ms. Cruse: Is it before i don't know B.C.
is before Christ I don't Wafeek do you know?
>> Dr. Wafeek Wahby: Yes, has been always
for two thousand years before Christ because that was
the dividing history thing, but real recently to be
politically correct because some people don't like to
say Christ name for some reason they say
okay let's call it common era.
So they came up with before the common era that you and I know
what it is without mentioning the name like
saying the n-word or something.
So it's I hear some speaker last week in a presentation saying it
is unethical to mention the name of Christ saying you say before
Christ because some poeple don't believe in him, so you don't
ethically mention it so that you don't hurt their feelings.
Hence the B.C.E.
>> female speaker: And I have one more question.
You had a couple of Christian relief pictures
or one with a tapestry.
I woudln't think that, that's the first time I noticed any
depiction of christian symbols, I thought they
worshipped the pharaohs?
>> Ms. Cruse: I that will have
to Wafeek will have to address that.
>> Dr. Wafeek Wahby: Well historically, history and
traditions say that Egypt became Christian in the first
century, so in the day of pentecost many of the
Alexandrians and the Egytptians were in Jerusalem for
the hajj or pilgrimage and they became converted to
Christianity came back and evangelized.
Then added to this the tradition that Mark the apostle that
towards the Gospel of Mark went to Egypt and
evangelized and became the first Pope of the this coptic order
that became the coptic order of the church.
So by the end of the first century, by the year 90, 95,
almost 99% of Egypt became Christian and they went away
from worshipping the pharaohs and worshipping the statues and
all this kind of thing, but they were persecuted so they were
kind of underground church kind of.
So actually the pharaonic thing was kind of the
[unclear dialogue] 300 years before Christ and the Greeks
came and then the Romans came over a 100 years or so
give and take before Christ.
So the worship of the pharaohs were really in decline at the
time they were kind of Pagans without knowing a
certain god and then Christianity came and so forth.
The one's with crosses in it, I have some questions regarding
this because they were persecuted for this sign.
So you don't do this and go and say hey I'm Christian come and
persecute me or something.
[audience laughs]
So did this answer your question?
>> female speaker: Yes.
>> Ms. Cruse: You know the other
thing that you might remember is just because they have
a cross on doesn't mean that's actually what it was.
That was a sculpture and the artist, artistic freedom might
have done might have added that.
You don't know one way or the other.
You know that's the decieving part of photography, an art work
is actually what you're seeing, is what I see in my picture.
What an artist paints is what their painting their vision for
you to see.
So their interpretation of something isn't always
correct, as well as your interpretation
of their creation.
>> Dr. Wafeek Wahby: What you think the creation was.
>> Ms. Cruse: Correct.
>> Dr. Wafeek Wahby: So evident in time I have
some not questions, but I need to take to be liberal
a little with the date and time.
Because by the year 400 or so when Romans became, Rome became
Christian, and the time of Constantine the so forth
Christians came above the ground, and maybe some of these
were that 300 something 400 thing.
So and when we dated at the 21st century we say it was
nearly what ever.
So most probably these were crosses were the time when
Christians became out of a known.
>> Ms. Cruse: A lot of the things a lot
of the pieces that I looked at most almost
all of them had the c or circa 2000, so they
couldn't really narrow it down anymore than a general well you
know if you're speaking in general terms of a hundred years
look what happened, has happened in the last five years.
Now then thinking on a scale of a hundred years, how much can
change just in a hundred years or so when they're looking at a
span they're saying oh 2000 to 1650 or something that's a
pretty long span of time that there a lot of things that
>>Wafeek Wahby: Could have happened.
>.Ms. Cruse: Could've changed or happened.
So you know it gives you a sense of when it happened, but not
really you know a totally accurate
sense of when it happened.
>> Dr. Wafeek Wahby: For example if you
look to the picture of or the image of the sphinx
that you see here and you see the Stela and the button,
there is maybe 2000 years between this and that.
The sphinx was there and one of the renovations after 1000 years
of its, it was ancient at the time 1000 years when somebody
tried to renovate it, but we look at it today as one piece.
I mean we look at it as because it's kind of a...
Any other questions or comments?
I have yes, let me give you this so we tape your...
>> female speaker: In one of the picture
and you mention it relief what does that mean?
>> Dr. Wafeek Wahby: What relief means?
>> Ms. Cruse: A relief is just it's a
surface it's a 3D surface, so it might only be about,
Dr. Lanham we saw lot's of reliefs when we were out.
Probably half an inch to an inch, but it's just of a thin
representation of and it's just enough 3D to give you a sense of
depth, changes, that shapes those type of things rather
than being a flat image.
>> Dr. Wafeek Wahby: And also the relief
and still are something like this a plate that you
can write on or so it's kind of a relief of something.
Talking about the 3D thing you noticed in one and all actually
the drawings of the ancient Egyptians and carvings, they
didn't have the natural size or dimensions.
Meaning when they draw a person looking like this they draw him
this part as if it is this dimension and they have it look
like this or do the hands they are all they dont have
the three dimensional.
>> Ms. Cruse: Everything is flat.
>> Dr. Wafeek Wahby: Everything is flat yes.
>> Ms. Cruse: And they've just turned
the parts of the body enough to give the
illusion of being three dimensional, but um...
>> Dr. Wafeek Wahby: Yes.
>> Ms. Cruse: Sometimes the proportions
are pretty good a lot of times they are, and some
of the things that I you know ran
across the eyes were like you like twice the size of what they
would normally been or maybe their hand was much larger in
proportion to their shoulder or their arm.
>> Dr. Wafeek Wahby: To emphasize something
like they do in caricatures they have certain nose
or ear or something bigger than...
Another question regarding our human nature.
Why is it that we want to capture the moment or
seize the moment and freeze it in time if we like the smiles
or sometimes the tears.
We want to look back into the memory of
something and document it.
I mean cows and horses don't do that, when you drive on the high
way, there happy and eating and grazing and no problem.
What is it in our human nature.
>> Ms. Cruse: Well first of all I'll say
so you think the cattle aren't...
>> Dr. Wafeek Wahby: To be politically correct.
>> Ms. Cruse: They might appear to be
happy cows, but you know probably there's
some torment of the one's out there.
I think that it's the emotional side of us the emotional part of
our brain that, we like to feel good, but yet there are things
that you run across that you know that little my dad's
screwdriver for instance.
Those things trigger memories and emotions in you and I think
that's the side of your brain that it thirst for sense of
good / bad how you cope with things.
Things that you like to hold on to that it's just stuff, but you
can store a lot of things in your brain and not have a lot
of baggage with you that you can hold dear to you.
Recall when you need to recall it, those type of things.
You know as I showed you, you know I brought in my rocks as a
just as a kick off, and can you imagine having to drag all that
stuff around and thank goodness we've moved to this point, where
we have photographs that we can look at them on our phone or you
know or I can remember there are things that I photographed in my
career as a photographer that are so real that it was just
like I just photographed this 30 minutes ago.
All the senses that go with it-- smell, how warm it was that day
or you know the temperature or who was around, the emotions
that were going on with that.
So I really think it's just the, it's your connection to
whatever you know some people have no feeling about stuff.
You know it's just like aww it's just stuff, and other people
have friends you know they just hang on they don't want to get
rid of any thing because it means a lot to them so.
I think it, you know I think it's just all emotion and...
>> Dr. Wafeek Wahby: And building on this,
what you said the Hollywood syndrome so to say,
people like to get pictured and depicted and doing this
as they're animes or look at me doing this.
So showmanship was always there I guess.
>> Ms. Cruse: Sure, yeah, and
presenting yourself in the best light.
Like having your statues you know making you look like you're
the king of the hill type thing and that you have a beautiful
wife and we have those controls and those hidden you know needs
or desires that portray I don't know if you're trying to satisfy
yourself or you'er trying to satisfy other people, but you
know it's something that people tend to do.
>> Dr. Wafeek Wahby: Well, any other
questions or comments?
Now make sure when you look at pictures and images
at EIU to make sure who is standing behind those images.
Thank you, very much.
>> Ms. Cruse: Thank you.
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