Friday, December 7, 2012 - Evening Edition

>> >>DWANE: HI, I'M DWANE BROWN. TONIGHT ON KPBS EVENING EDITION, SUPPORTERS
AND OPPONENTS OF PROPOSITION 8 ARE WELCOMING NEWS FROM THE U.S. SUPREME COURT.
THE JUSTICES WILL HEAR ARGUMENTS ABOUT CALIFORNIA'S SAME SEX MARRIAGE BAN.
VANDALS DAMAGE SAN DIEGO'S FIRST LARGE SCALE MEMORIAL TO DR.ﾊMARTIN LUTHER KING.
>> >>PEGGY: I'M PEGGY PICO. COMING UP ON OUR WEEKLY ROUND TABLE, OCEANSIDE
CITY COUNCIL TRIES TO SEIZE CONTROL FROM THEIR MAYOR AND BOOT THEM OFF SAN DIEGO'S TRANSPORTATION
AGENCY. PLUS OUR CONVERSATION WITH SAN DIEGO CITY
COUNCIL MEMBER TODD GLORIA ABOUT HIS SO CALLED SEXY CITY PLAN THAT INCLUDES PAVING THE CITY'S
ROADS AND FILLING IN POT HOLES. >> >>DWANE: ON THIS 71EST ANNIVERSARY ON THE
ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR, THE STORY OF A SURVIVOR WHO'S MAKING SURE THOSE WHO DIED ARE KNOWN
AND REMEMBERED. KPBS EVENING EDITION STARTS NOW.
CAPTIONS PROVIDED BY ECAPTIONS. >> >>DWANE: GOOD EVENING, THANKS FOR JOINING
US. U.S. SUPREME COURT WILL HEAR ARGUMENTS ON
CALIFORNIA'S SAME SEX MARRIAGE BAN. THE HIGH COURTS SAYS IT WILL REVIEW THE VOTER
AND THE MARRIAGE ACT, DOMA, THE LAW DEFINING MARRIAGE BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN.
>> >>: WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OUR DAY IN COURT AND WE'RE VERY HOPEFUL
THAT AS IN 14 PAST OCCASIONS THE COURT WILL REAFFIRM THAT MARRIAGE IS A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT
FOR EVERYONE. >> >>DWANE: SAME SEX MARRIAGE OPPONENTS SAY
THEY HOPE THE COURT WILL UPHOLD THE BAN WHILE ARGUMENTS IN THESE CASES ARE NARROWLY FOCUSED
ON PROP 8 AND DOMA. THERE'S NO WAY TO HEAR THESE CASES WITHOUT
LOOKING AT WHETHER SAME SEX COUPLES SHOULD BE TREATED EQUALLY UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.
HE HAD THIS PREDICTION. >> >>: PREDICTING THE COURT'S ALWAYS DIFFICULT
IT'S LIKELY TO COME DOWN TO ONE OR TWO JUSTICES, PROBABLY JUDGE ANTHONY KENNEDY.
I HAVE A PREDICTION THAT ULTIMATELY HE WILL DECIDE THAT SAME SEX MARRIAGE EQUALITY IS
REQUIRED BY THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. WHETHER HE'S COMFORTABLE DOING THAT AND JUST
RESOLVING IT OR WANTS TO TAKE A HALF STEP AND THEN SAVE FOR THE NEXT CASE OR A COUPLE
YEARS FROM NOW, THE NEXT YOU KNOW EXTENSION OF THAT IS SORT OF HARD TO SAY.
>> >>DWANE: THE SUPREME COURT WILL LIKELY HEAR ARGUMENTS BEGINNING IN MARCH AND ISSUE
A DECISION BY JUNE. A WARNING TONIGHT ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN
TO CALIFORNIA'S ECONOMY IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOESN'T DEAL WITH POSSIBLE TAX INCREASES AND
SPENDING CUTS BY YEAR EBBED END. GOVERNMENT AND BUSINESS LEADERS SAY IT COULD
STOP THE STATE'S RECOVERY, PREDICTING A LOSS OF NEARLY 23ﾊBILLION IN GOODS AND SERVICES
AND 2200 JOBS STATE WIDE. THERE'S STILL BEEN NO PROGRESS IN WASHINGTON
TO AVOID MANDATORY SPENDING CUTS OR THE END OF BUSH ERA TAX CUTS.
SAN DIEGO ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENT WILL TRY TO SETTLE A LAWSUIT OVER ITS REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION
PLAN. IF IT DOESN'T WORK, SANDAG WILL APPEAL A DECISION
INVALIDATING THE MAN'S ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT.
YOU MAY RECALL A JUDGE RULED THE PLAN VIOLATED STATE LAW BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T MEET EMISSION
STANDARDS. SANDAG SAYS IT WILL WORK WITH ENVIRONMENTAL
GROUPS TO TRY AND SETTLE DIFFERENCES OVER INTERPRET INTERPRETATION OF CLIMATE CHANGE
LAWS. OCEANSIDE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO BOOT THE MAYOR
OFF THE SAG SANDAG BOARD. THE MAYOR IS FIGHTING BACK.
>> >>PEGGY: OCEANSIDE MAYOR JIM WOOD SAID QUOTE I'M NOT GOING TO ROLL OVER AND DIE ON
THIS AFTER THREE OF OCEANSIDE'S FIVE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HELD A PRELIMINARY VOTE ON
WEDNESDAY TO REMOVE WOOD FROM THE SANDAG BOARD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REGION'S TRANSPORTATION
PLAN. THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL DIFFER IN THEIR OPINION
ON EXPANDING TRANSPORTATION. UT SAN DIEGO COLUMNIST LOGAN JENKINS JOINS
ME WITH DETAILS ABOUT WHAT SOME ARE CALLS A PLOY TO SEIZE POWER FROM THE MAYOR.
LOGAN, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. >> >>LOGAN JENKINS: MY PLEASURE.
>> >>PEGGY: TELL US ABOUT WHY THESE THREE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IN OCEANSIDE WANT TO
GET WOOD OFF THE SANDAG BOARD. >> >>LOGAN JENKINS: THEY WOULD HAVE LIKED
TO HAVE GOTTEN HIM OFF THE COUNCIL ALL TOGETHER BY DEFEATING HIM AS MAYOR.
JERRY KERN, AN INCUMBENT COUNCILMAN RAN AGAINST WOOD, LOST DECISIVELY BY SOMETHING LIKE 24
POINTS. SO THE NEXT BEST THING FOR THEM WAS IF YOU
CAN'T DEFEAT WOOD AT THE BALLOT BOX, TAKE AWAY HIS ONE LARGE POWER AS MAYOR, AND THAT'S
TO APPOINT HIMSELF AS THE SANDAG REPRESENTATIVE. >> >>PEGGY: AND WOOD IS CONSIDER AD MODERATE
REPUBLIC. THE OTHER THREE GARY FELINE, JACK KELLER AND
JERRY KERN, THEY'RE MUCH MORE CONSERVATIVE. DO YOU THINK THIS IS PART OF THE BLOOD BATH
AS YOU'VE CALLED IT UP THERE OR A PERSONAL VENDETTA?
>> >>LOGAN JENKINS: THEY REALLY DON'T LIKE EACH OTHER AND IT GOES BACK A LONG TIME.
OCEANSIDE HAS A HISTORY OF PARTISAN POLITICS, SORT OF PITTING THE DOWNTOWN CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
VERSUS THE NEIGHBORS AND MOBILE HOME PARKS. >> >>PEGGY: HE KEPT THE MOBILE HOME PARKS
AND THE OTHER THREE WERE NOT FOR THAT. >> >>LOGAN JENKINS: THEY WANTED TO LIFT THE
RENT CONTROL. >> >>PEGGY: RIGHT.
NOW THIS COUNCIL'S MEASURE THE PRELIMINARY VOTE ON WEDNESDAY I UNDERSTAND WOULD GIVE
THE COUNCIL THE AUTHORITY TO VETO A MAYOR'S NOMINATION TO A BOARD.
THEY COULD MAKE THEIR OWN U APPOINTMENTS AND REMOVE CITY REPRESENTATIVES ON BOARDS THEY
DON'T CARE FOR, THE CITY REPRESENTATIVES AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
FIRST OF ALL, IS THAT LEGAL, AND HOW TYPICAL IS IT?
>> >>LOGAN JENKINS: IT'S NOT UNTYPICAL THAT A BOARD MAJORITY WOULD HAVE THE POWER OVER
APPOINTEES. IT'S BEEN THE CUSTOM.
IT'S BEEN THE TRADITION IN OCEANSIDE FOR THE MAYOR TO HAVE THIS POWER.
BUT OCEANSIDE RECENTLY BECAME A CHARTER CITY AND NOW I THINK THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE
THE GREEN LIGHT TO MAKE WHATEVER RULE THEY WANT.
>> >>PEGGY: I THINK AS A CHARTER CITY DON'T THEY GET TO DECIDE ON THESE SORTS OF THINGS?
>> >>LOGAN JENKINS: IT SURE APPEARS SO. THAT'S WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS ADVISED.
WOOD HAS NOT CONVINCED HIS ALLY ESTHER SANCHEZ, SHE'S THE A PUBLIC DEFENDER, AN ATTORNEY,
SHE SAID THEY'RE GOING TO FIGHT IT. SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER CHAPTER.
>> >>PEGGY: WOULD ORIGINALLY SAID HE WAS GOING TO SUE THEM AND NOW WHAT IS HE SAYING.
>> >>LOGAN JENKINS: HE'S GOING TO CHECK WITH THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL BUT HE'S ALSO USED
THE R WORD MEANING THAT SOME OF HIS SUPPORTERS MAY BE INCLINED TO RECALL ONE OR MORE OF THE
COUNCIL MAJORITY AND THAT'S BEEN TRIED BEFORE, TRIED IN 2009 AND SO IT'S PART OF THE PLAY
BOOK OF OCEANSIDE. >> >>PEGGY: THE BLOOD BATH PLAY BOOK AS YOU
WERE MENTIONING EARLIER. ALSO, I WANTED TO MENTION THAT MAYOR WOOD
WANTED CHARGE THE CITY FOR HIS LEGAL COUNCIL; IS THAT CORRECT?
>> >>LOGAN JENKINS: THAT'S CORRECT. AND THERE'S PROBABLY SOME PUSH BACK FROM EVEN
SOME OF HIS SUPPORTERS. >> >>PEGGY: WHAT ABOUT SANDAG'S 40 YEAR TRANSPORTATION
PLAN YOU KNOW WAS REJECTED BY A COURT. UM, DOES THAT MAKE SORT OF THIS TALKING POINT
MUTE, DOES THAT MAKE WOODﾊ MOOT, I MEAN, WOULD THAT MAKE THEM LIGHTEN UP ON WOOD?
>> >>LOGAN JENKINS: I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK OCEANSIDE HAS A WEIGHTED VOTE, SOMETHING
LIKE 5% AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE MAJORITY BELIEVES THAT THESE PROJECTS THAT THESE ARTERIAL
EXPANSIONINGS IN OCEANSIDE WOULD HAVE A BETTER CHANCE GOING THROUGH IF THEY WERE IN CONTROL.
>> >>PEGGY: I GUESS WE'LL BE FOLLOWING THIS PRETTY CLOSELY.
LOGAN JENKINS THANKS SO MUCH. >> >>DWANE: SAN DIEGO'S FIRST LARGE SCALE
MEMORIAL HONORING DR.ﾊMARTIN LUTHER KING JR. HAS BEEN DEFACED BY VANDALS BETWEEN HOME
AND EUCLID AVENUE ALONG HIGHWAY 94. CAL TRANS CREWS WERE TIEBL WASH OFF SOME OF
THE PINK PAINT TODAY BUT IT'S DISSING THE PUBLIC TO HELP Y IDENTIFY THE CULPRIT.
IT TOOK 7 YEARS TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT. THE ARTISTS ARE PROFESSORS FROM SAN DIEGO
STATE AND USED ANTI GRAFFITI MATERIAL TO MAKE IT EASIER TO CLEAN.
THE ANNUAL DECEMBER NIGHTS FESTIVAL UNDERWAY RIGHT NOW THROUGHOUT BALBOA PARK.
OPEN FOR FREE WITH LOTS OF LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. THE EVENT FORMALLY KNOWN AS CHRISTMAS ON THE
PRADO RUNS UNTIL SATURDAY. THERE WILL BE MUSIC AT THE ORGAN PAVILION
WITH ITS GIANT CHRISTMAS TREE. >> >>: THE REST OF THE EVENT FOR DECEMBER
NIGHTS KIND OF KICK OFF AT NOON TOMORROW, THE MUSEUMS DON'T BECOME UNTIL 5 TILL 9 IN
THE EVENING F YOU CAN GET HERE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, YOUR NOT GOING TO HAVE NEARLY AS
MUCH CROWD, ENJOY A LOT OF THINGS AND SCOPE OUT SOME THINGS YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEE LATER
ON. >> >>DWANE: LAST YEAR MORE THAN 300,000 PEOPLE
ATTENDED DECEMBER NIGHTS OVER ITS TWO DAY RUN.
SAN DIEGO'S NEW CITY COUNCIL PRESIDENT WANTS TO TACK THL NEARLY ONE BILLION DOLLAR BACK
LOG TO REPAIR AND BUILDING PROJECTS. PEGGY PICO TALKS WITH HIM ABOUT HIS SALES
TAX PLAN. >> >>PEGGY: THE CITY'S NEWLY ELECTED COUNCIL
PRESIDENT COINED THE PHRASE SEXY STREETS AS A WAY TO GENERATE INTEREST IN THE CITY'S BACK
LOG OF INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS INCLUDING STREET, BUILDING AND SEWER REPAIRS.
HE WANTS TO GET A CONVERSATION STARTED ON HOW TO PAY FOR IT ALL.
JOINING ME WITH DETAILS IS SAN DIEGO COUNCIL PRESIDENT TODD GLORIA.
WELCOME BACK TO THE SHOW, TODD. SO YOU GENERATED QUITE A BUZZ THE SEXY STREETS
IN SAN DIEGO. YOUR PLAN IS ACTUALLY MORE THAN JUST INVOLVING
REPAIRING STREETS. >> >>TODD GLORIA: THAT'S RIGHT.
STREETS ARE THE MOST VISIBLE REPRESENTATION OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE DEFICIT IN THE CITY.
AS BAD AS OUR STREETS ARE, OUR SEWERS, STORM DRAINS, SIDE WALKS, ALLEYS, PUBLIC FACILITIES
ARE IN POOR CONDITION AND WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.
>> >>PEGGY: YOUR INCLUDING LIBRARIES, REC CENTERS.
>> >>LOGAN JENKINS: FIRE HOUSES, POLICE STAYS STATIONS, ALL OF THESE PLACES THE PUBLIC INTERACT
WITH HAVE LEAKY ROOFS, OUT DATED TOO SMALL, NO LONGER SERVE THE COMMUNITY WELL AND WE
HAVE NO REAL PLAN FOR HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM. >> >>PEGGY: IT'S ALMOST 900ﾊMILLION DOLLARS
IT, BREAK OUT FOR US THE COSTS THAT ARE ESTIMATED IN EACH OF SORT F THE THREE MAJOR AREAS.
>> >>TODD GLORIA: IT'S ROUGHLY $470ﾊMILLION ON STREETS ALONE.
WHEN YOU THROW IN ABOUT 185ﾊMILLION ON THE FACILITIES, AND THEN 235ﾊMILLION FOR OUR
STORM DRAINS. WE HAVE A REALLY BIG BILL, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE
OUT THERE WHO DISAGREE WITH THOSE NUMBERS AND FEEL THEY DON'T INCLUDE THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE
OF NEEDS. THE PROBLEM IS QUITE LARGE. IF IT'S 900ﾊMILLION FOR YOUR VIEWERS AT
HOMERS OUR ANNUAL GENERAL FUND BUDGET IS 1.2ﾊBILLION. YOU SEE HOW BIG THIS THING IS.
>> >>PEGGY: WHAT'S BEING SPENT RIGHT NOW ON INFRASTRUCTURE IN SAN DIEGO?
>> >>TODD GLORIA: THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO RAISE THIS ISSUE.
WE WENT FROM ALMOST NOTHING FOR ROADS A FEW YEARS AGO TO A COUPLE 10ﾊMILLION NOW SO
YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THE ROAD REPAIRS IN THE COMMUNE TA.
WE HAVE TO SPEND ALMOST 30ﾊMILLION DOLLARS MORE JUST TO KEEP UP ON OUR ROADS.
THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE STORM DRAINS, THE PUBLIC FACILITIES.
WE THROW IN SIDE WALKS AND ALLEYS. IT'S FAR TOO LARGE TO ADDRESS THE WAY WE'RE
CURRENTLY ADDRESSING IT. >> >>PEGGY: ONE OF THE WAYS YOU THOUGHT TO
PAY FOR THIS WAS ABOUT A HALF CENT SALES TAX. >> >>TODD GLORIA: I DID NOT SAY THAT.
IN MY SWEARING IN SPEECH I GAVE FOUR EXAMPLES WHERE OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE TACKLED THIS
PROBLEM. SAN ANTONIO AND PHOENIX, AND LOCALLY WE'VE
USED TRANS NET AND PROPOSITION MM, THAT'S A PROPERTY TAX.
SOME OF THOSE ARE TAX INCREASES, SOME ARE NOT.
THE FACT IS WE CAN'T TACKLE IT IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.
IF WE DON'T IDENTIFY THIS AS AN ISSUE. NOT ONLY DOES IT MEAN PEOPLE ARE TRIPPING
AND FALL ON SIDE WALKS OR CARS THROW THROWN OUT OF ALIGNMENT ON OUR STREETS, WE CANNOT
BRING JOBS AND JOB CREATORS TO THIS COMMUNITY IF THEY SEE A HORRIBLE STATE OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
>> >>PEGGY: I KNOW PHOENIX, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT ONE.
THEY I THINK ACTUALLY DID A LITTLE SALES TAX THAT GOT VOTER APPROVED. THE VOTERS IN SAN
DIEGO REJECT AD SALES TAX HIKE IN 2012. >> >>TODD GLORIA: I THINK THIS IS THE MOST
LIKELY ONE IF THERE WERE A TAX INCREASE. THERE'S NO NECESSITY FOR THAT. THE REASON
I WOULD IS THAT IT WOULD BE VERY SPECIFIC. WE WILL TELL EVERY COMMUNITY IN THIS CITY
WHAT THIS WOULD MEAN TO THEM. IF IT'S AN X NUMBER OF MILES OF ROAD REPAIR,
THEIR FIRE HOUSE GETS IMPROVED, A NEW LIBRARY HERE OR THERE, IT WOULD BE VERY SPECIFIC AND
I THINK THAT CERTAINTY HAS VOTER SUPPORT, WE SAW THAT WITH TRANS NET OR PROPOSITION
MM YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO GET IF YOU VOTED YES.
>> >>PEGGY: LET ME ASK YOU THIS, HOW ARE YOU PLANNING TO GET OBVIOUSLY YOU SAID THE SEXY
STREETS AND THAT SORT OF CAUSED A BUZZ. YOUR LOOKING FOR COMMUNITY IM N PUT ON THIS.
>> >>TODD GLORIA: I'M BRINGING OUT OF THE SHADOWS A CONVERSATION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN
HAPPENING. THIS IS AN ECONOMIC COMPETITIVENESS ISSUE.
WHAT I WANT TO DO IS BRING THOSE CONVERSATIONS FORWARD FROM OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY, MARRY
THEM WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE NEEDS AND PRIORITIES ARE, BRING THEM TOGETHER,
AND BUILD A BROAD COALITION, TAX PAYER ADVOCATES, EVERYONE AT THE TABLE AND GO FORWARD IN 2014
TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT PENSIONS, SOLVED THIS
ISSUE, BUT WE NEED TO DO NOW IS ADDRESS THE INFRASTRUCTURE PROBLEM WITH THE SAME VIGOR.
>> >>PEGGY: WILL THIS NEED TO GO TO A VOTE FOR VOTERS, IS THAT THE MASTER PLAN IN THE
END? >> >>TODD GLORIA: IF WE REALLY DO WANT TO
TACKLE THIS PROBLEM MEANINGFULLY, WE DO NEED TO GO TO THE VOTERS.
THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO INCLUDE A TAX INCREASE. BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS ENGAGE THEM BECAUSE
ULTIMATE HEA THIS IS THEIR CITY. PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THIS IS A PROBLEM FAR
TOO FEW PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IT. IT'S EASY TO IGNORE STORM DRAPES, THEIR ARE
UNDER GROUND, BUT THEY NEED ATTENTION. WE CAN DO BERT THAN THIS.
>> >>PEGGY: ALL RIGHT, CITY COUNCIL PRESIDENT TODD GLORIA, THANKS SO MUCH FOR TALKING WITH
US. >> >>TODD GLORIA: THANK YOU.
>> >>DWANE: TODAY IS THE 71EST ANNIVERSARY OF PEARL HARBOR.
THAT ATTACK CAN RAISE THE TOLERANCE FOR CONSIDERING TORTURE AS A TOOL.
IT'S A QUESTION BEING CONSIDERED AT THE SAN DIEGO MUSEUM OF MAN.
KPBS ARTS AND CULTURE REPORTER BETH ACCOMANDO SHOWS US AND SOME OF THE IMAGES IN THIS STORY
MAY BE DISTURBING. >> >>BETH: INSTRUMENTS OF TORTURE FEATURE
ICONIC IMPLEMENTS AS THE IRON MAIDEN, RACK, ANDﾊ ALL OF THE ARTIFACTS COME FROM THE
MUSEUM OF TORTURE IN ITALY. THE TWO MUSEUMS COLLABORATED ON A SIMILAR EXHIBIT MORE THAN
A DECADE AGO. >> >>: I THINK OUR PERSPECTIVE ON TORTURE
HAS CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY SINCE THIS WAS BROUGHT HERE IN 2000.
AND PART OF THAT HAS BEEN THE AFFECT OF THE TERRORIST ATTACK ON AMERICA, ON 9/11, AND
WE WANTED TO TALK IN THIS PARTICULAR VERSION OF THE EXHIBIT ABOUT OUR CAPACITY TO TORTURE
OTHER PEOPLE. >> >>BETH: HE'S THE CHEEP CHIEF OPERATING
OFFICER FOR PROGRAMS AND COLLECTIONS. HE POINTS OUT THE EXHIBIT'S TITLE DOES NOT
MERELY REFER TO THE ARTIFACTS ON DISPLAY. >> >>: WE'RE THE INSTRUMENTS OF TORTURE THE
MUSEUM HAS A MISSION TO INSPIRE HUMAN CONNECTIONS BY EXPLORING THE HUMAN EX EXPERIENCE AND TORTURE
IS A DARK PART OF THAT EXPERIENCE. GARN SAYS THE MEAD MEDIEVAL INSTRUMENTS OF
TORTUREﾊ >> >>: I STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS COMPONENT,
THESE MEDIEVAL INSTRUMENTS AS A SLICE IN TIME BUT I REALIZED THEY'RE NOT A SLICE IN TIME.
THAT SOME OF THESE TECHNIQUES OF TORCH TORTURE HAVE CONTINUED TO TODAY S CATHY ANDERSON.
>> >>: THE LATEST REPORT BY AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL NOTES THAT 11 COUNTRIES USE TORTURE ON A SYSTEM
ATTIC BASIS. THERE ARE SURVIVORS FROM HAVING BEEN TORTURE.
IS MANY HAVE TO FLEE FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY AND THEY GO TO COUNTRIES OF SAFE HAVEN SUCH
AS THE UNITED STATES, SPECIFICALLY. >> >>: I HO NO IDEA THERE WERE SO MANY SURVIVORS
OF TORTURE IN SAN DIEGO. OVER 11,000 SURVIVORS OF TORTURE IN SAN DIEGO
COUNTY IS ACTUALLY ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER OF TORTURE SURVIVORS AS HOMELESS PEOPLE.
YOU SEE THE HOMELESS ALL THE TIME. AND THEY'RE VISIBLE.
BUT THE SURVIVORS OF TORTURE ARE INVISIBLE. >> >>BETH: SO THE MUSEUM WANTED TO PLACE THE
EXHIBIT IN A CONTEMPORARY CONTEXT FOR VISITORS. >> >>: WHEN THEY WALK INTO THE EXHIBIT, THE
FIRST PANEL SHOWS THE BOMBING OF THE TWIN TOWERS.
IT ELICITS SORT OF AN EMOTIONAL RESPONSE FROM PEOPLE.
WE'VE BEEN ATTACKED. THE REASON FOR DOING THAT IS WE WANT TO EXPLORE OUR CAPACITY AS
INDIVIDUALS TO TORTURE OTHER PEOPLE. WE SAY THAT WE WON'T TORTURE BUT IF WE'RE
PUT IN THE RIGHT SITUATION, WE DO TORTURE. AND BEING ATTACKED AS A COUNTRY, I THINK MADE
US FEEL LIKE WE WOULD DO ANYTHING TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN.
>> >>BETH: SO YOU GET THE TICKING TIME BOMB SCENARIO PLAYED OUT IN THE MEDIA.
>> >>: YOU HAVE THIS LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME, A TERRORIST SUSPECT IN CUSTODY, WOULD YOU
TORTURE THAT PURSE TOON SAVE THE LIVE OF 10,000 OTHER PEOPLE.
AND THAT SORT OF MORAL DILEMMA YOU'RE FACE WOULD MAKES YOU SORT OF MAKE AN EMOTIONAL
DECISION. LIKE YES, I WOULD TORTURE THAT PERSON TO SAVE
ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE. >> >>: PRIOR TO 9/11, WE AS AMERICANS ALWAYS
SAID TORTURE IS HORRIBLE. AND THAT IS NOT A VALUE OF OUR COUNTRY, IT
IS NOT PART OF WHO WE ARE, IT'S NOT OUR CHARACTER. 9/11 HAPPENED AND THEN THERE WERE CONVERSATIONS
AROUND I WONDER IF TORTURE IS OKAY OR NOT. WE AS AN ORGANIZATION, WE ALWAYS SAY TORTURE
IS NEVER, EVER OKAY. >> >>BETH: THE EXHIBIT HIGHLIGHTS INSTRUMENTS
OF TORTURE LIKE THE SPANISH INQUISITION INTERROGATION CHAIR DESIGNED TO ELICIT INFORMATION FROM
VICTIMS. THE EXHIBIT DISPELS THE MYTH THAT TORTURE
IS MAINLY USED TO GAIN INFORMATION. >> >>: NINETY% OF THE CASES OF TORTURE, THEY
DON'T WANT ANY INFORMATION FROM THE PEOPLE AT ALL.
THEY JUST WANT TO INSTILL FEAR. >> >>BETH: AND TO USE FEAR TO CONTROL PEOPLE.
TO VICES LIKE THIS OLD BRIDAL WERE USED SPECIFICALLY ON WOMEN.
>> >>: THEY WERE USED TO KEEP WOMEN IN DOMESTIC SERVITUDE IN THE MILLED AGES.
SO IF YOU SPOKE UP AGAINST AUTHORITY OR TOOK A STAND AGAINST AN ISSUE, YOU COULD BE SUBJECTED
TO SOME OF THESE TORTURES YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE AGES L.OF THESE PUBLIC HUMILIATIONS ARE USED
TO CONTROL POPULATIONS AND KEEP PEOPLE FROM SPEAK UP.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO REFLECT UPON THAT AND SEE THAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST IN
ORDER TO PREVENT IT HAPPENING IN THE PRESENT. >> >>BETH: BY ALLOWING PEOPLE TO SEE SOME
OF THESE REAL DEVICES MAKES AN IMPACT THAT PHOTOS AND VIDEOS CANNOT CONVEY.
>> >>: THIS IS ACTUALLY THE OBJECT THAT I FIND THE MOST DISTURBING OUT OF THIS ENTIRE
EXHIBIT. THEY'RE SAWS THAT WERE USED TO SAW PEOPLE
IN HALF. THAT SEEMS LIKE IT'S BAD ENOUGH IN AND OF
ITSELF, BUT WHEN YOU READ THE STORIES PEOPLE WERE HUNG UPSIDE DOWN, SO THAT BLOOD WOULD
REMAIN IN THEIR HEADS AND THEY'D REMAIN CONSCIOUS FOR A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME.
SO THE AMOUNT OF THOUGHT THAT WENT INTO SOME OF THESE FORMS OF TORTURE AND CRUELTY IS REALLY
UP BELIEVABLE TO ME. >> >>: I THINK PEOPLE ARE GENUINE INTERESTED
IN THIS TOPIC AND WANT TO KNOW MORE. SO I'M REALLY GLAD THAT THE MUSEUM HAS CHOSEN
TO HAVE THE EXHIBIT HERE IN SAN DIEGO, TO CONTINUE THE DIALOGUE.
>> >>: WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS AT THE END OF THE EXHIBIT ALLOW PEOPLE TO SEE SOME LIGHT
AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL. SO THESE ARE SOME THINGS PEOPLE CAN DO TO
STAND UP AGAINST TORTURE. WE LOOK AT THE BYSTANDER AFFECT AND HOW WE
TEND TO BE BYSTANDERS AND HOW WE CAN BE UP STANDERS.
SOME OF THE UP STANDERS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED ON THAT PANEL ARE ORDINARY PEOPLE.
>> >>BETH: THAT'S THE MESSAGE THE MUSEUM WANTS PEOPLE TO LEAVE WITH.
THAT WE ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO STAND UP AGAINST TORTURE.
BETH ACCOMANDO, KPBS NEWS. >> >>: I'M JUDY ON THE NEXT NEWS HOUR THE
LATEST JOBS NUMBERS, SHIELDS AND BROOKS, PLUS TROUBLE FOR SHELL FISH IN NORTH WEST WATERS.
THAT'S FRIDAY ON THE PBS NEWS HOUR. >> >>DWANE: A FIRE WEATHER WATCH GOES INTO
EFFECT ON NOON ON SUNDAY. WINDY DRY CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED.
PARTLY CLOUDY ALONG THE COAST THIS WEEKEND, SUNNY INLAND AND A LITTLE WARMER IN THE MID
TO UPPER 70S. MUCH COOLER IN THE MOUNTAINS, 50S AND 60S,
AND THE DESERT IS IN FOR A COOL DOWN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
>> >>PEGGY: IN OUR WEEKLY PUBLIC SQUARE OUR STORY ABOUT A GROUP OF SEEN ATHEISTS AT LA
COSTA GLEN A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY IN CARLSBAD GENERATE AD LIVELY DISCUSSION.
THE FOUNDER OF THE GROUP CALLED ATHEISTS ANONYMOUS SAID OTHER RESIDENTS HAVE BULLIED HER, CALLING
HER THE ANTI CHRIST. ON OUR WEBSITE, PEKING COMMENTED:
WEB USER OTAY CEC THOUGHT THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE WRITING: BUT BEN FROM CALIFORNIA RESPONDED TO THAT
THREAD WITH: YOU CAN JOIN IN ON THIS CONVERSATION OR COMMENT ON ANY KPBS NEWS STORY BY FOLLOWING
US ON TWITTER, LIKING US ON TWITTER, OR JUST E MAIL US AT PUBLIC SQUARE @ KPBS.ORG.
>> >>DWANE: 2400 AMERICANS DIED WITH THE JAPANESE ATTACKED PEARL HARBOR MORE THAN A QUARTER
OF THEM WERE BURIED WITHOUT BEING IDENTIFIED. ONE SURVIVOR COULDN'T ACCEPT THAT.
SO HE SENT OUT TO RESTORE NAMES OF THE DEAD. >> >>: LIKE MANY ON DECEMBERﾊ7, 1941, RAY
EMERY WAS CAUGHT OFF GUARD BY THE JAPANESE ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR.
>> >>: I THOUGHT AT THE TIME THIS IS A VERYﾊ I PULLED THE COVER OFF THE REST OF THE WAY
AND ABOUT THAT TIME ANOTHER PLANE WENT BY, I SAW A BIG RED BALL AND REALIZED THE JAPANESE
WERE ATTACKING PEARL HARBOR. >> >>: BY THE END OF THE ATTACK, 2400 AMERICANS
WERE DEAD, MORE THAN ONE QUARTER WERE UNIDENTIFIED. THE UNKNOWN ARE BURIED AT THE NATIONAL CEMETERY
THE PACIFIC IN A VOLCANIC CRATER KNOWN AS THE PUNCH BOWL.
RAY EMERY LEARNED OF THESE GRAVES SHORTLY BEFORE THE 50TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE ATTACK.
THIS YEAR THE 91 YEAR OLD FORMER SAILOR IS BEING HONOR BID THE NAVY AND NATIONAL PARK
SERVICE FOR HIS WORK TO IDENTIFY THE UNKNOWNS SINCE THAT VISIT.
>> >>: HE'S DEVOTED TO THE IDEA OF THE ACCURACY OF ALL THE CASUALTIES, WHERE THESE CASUALTIES
ARE BURIED, BUT OTHER CEMETERIES. >> >>: USING THE NAVY'S BURIAL RECORDS FROM
ARCHIVES IN WASHINGTON, EMERY DETERMINED WHICH SHIPS THE DEAD IN EACH GO GRAVE WERE FROM.
GRAVE STONES NOW SHOW MARKERS FOR THE U.S.S. ARIZONA, U.S.S. OKLAHOMA, AND U.S.S. WEST
VIRGINIA. EMERY HAS ALSO LOBBIED FOR FORENSICS SCIENTISTS
TO EXUME THE SKELETONS OF THOSE WHO MIGHT BE IDENTIFIED.
>> >>: IT WAS SOMETHING I GOT INVOLVED WITH, IT WAS VERY INTERESTING AND PROBABLY IN SPITE
OF TRYING TO TELL THE GOVERNMENT THEY SCREWED UP A LITTLE BIT HERE OR THERE.
WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SOLVE SOME OF THE MYSTERIES MAYBE OF WORLD WAR TWO.
>> >>: SO FAR, EMERY HAS PUSHED THE GOVERNMENT INTO RELABELING MORE THAN 300 GRAVE STONES
WITH THE SHIP'S NAMES OF THE DECEASED. ALL IN HIS EFFORT TO HAVE PEARL HARBOR REMEMBERED
AND REMEMBERED ACCURATELY. ROSS SIMPSON, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS.
>> >>DWANE: YOU CAN FIND TONIGHT'S STORIES ON OUR WEBSITE KPBS.ORG/EVENINGEDITION.
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