Board Meeting: November 10, 2011

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>> Welcome, all. We note, by way of roll call, that we are all assembled. We move
first, into a hearing of citizens. We have nine speakers... >> I have more... >> Ten
speakers. If we can, if we limit this to three minutes each. And you can really say
a great deal in three minutes, trust me. But really try. We will move ahead. The
first ... >> Is Kathy. >> Kevin, Kathy, and lining up after her will be Mary Ann
[inaudible]. My colleagues on both sides have recommended that we try to finish by
six o' clock. And I'm, I'm, I hope nobody will object. Kathy... >> Yes, thank you.
Good afternoon. I'm Kathy [inaudible], and I'm co-president of ACES, the Association
of Continuing Education Students. And I'm here today to invite The administration,
the board, faculty, staff and students to our annual Arts and Crafts fair and open
house at the Wake Center. It will be Saturday, December tenth from ten to four.
I think this is a wonderful opportunity for everyone to come together, because you
can see what we do, there are, will be demonstrations. And I think even the
students from SPCC might be interested in seeing the demonstrations and maybe even
taking some of the classes. Because we have had class members from UCSB and they
really enjoyed the classes. So anyway, I'm here with this invitations and David Short
who is the coordinator of this effort wanted me to tell you. >> That, this
years, things have gone so much more smoothly than before. It is amazing, and
he's very grateful, so thank you. >> Thank you, Kathy. Mary Ann [inaudible], hi Mary
Ann. Followed by Eleanor Larson. >> Mary Ann [inaudible], and I'm here to tress-,
address the, board of trustees, but also our acting superintendent president. And
to thank you for the really careful thought that's going. >> In the end to the
planning process, the design of the planning process for the review of
continuing education. I, and I thank you for your support in the president's
action. That planning process, when it is developed, is going to be a work of art,
that's obvious. And I have never seen a process like this that was not successful.
Thank you all. >> Thank you, Eleanor. Hey, we're doing alright in this three minute
thing. [laugh] This is cool. [laugh] Hello. My name is Eleanor Burns Larson.
I'm the other co-president of the Association of Continuing Education
Students, but I'm speaking to you today as a resident of Santa Barbara County, a
voter, a student, and especially as a tax payer. References been, have been made in
other meetings comparing the college to a corporation. If we extend that metaphor,
the taxpayers are the shareholders. Just as corporations have reporting obligations
to their shareholders, so does the college Have the obligation to report to its
stakeholders. Prior to this year, it was difficult or impossible to understand the
financial reporting by the college. Money seemed to be added and subtracted from
accounts like a shell game. It was quite bewildering. I wish to commend the present
board on the improvement in financial reporting that has occurred this year, and
particularly in the last few months. To continue the metaphor, the board has
selected an interim CEO who speaks to the students as adults. >> Listens to their
concerns and views. As a stakeholder, I'm very pleased with the selection. Thank
you. >> Thank you, Eleanor. Dr. Cornelia Alzheimer, to be followed by Linda Nelson.
>> Honorable members of the board of Trustees, President, Dr. [inaudible], Dr.
[inaudible]. You're probably rather used to seeing me here pointing out where I
feel things are going wrong. And. As the budget analyst for the Instructors
Association, that is somewhat part of my job description. But you won't believe it.
Today I'm here to tell you where I feel things are going very right. And going
right is this new way in which the administration has started to present
budget numbers to the Board, to the members of college governance and to the
public. Well our accounting department under the lead of Joe Sullivan and Leslie
Griffin has always done a great job. This new way of presenting our budget now makes
it easier to understand for everybody. And, no, I'm not talking about the new
color coding in Joe's presentation, which are beautiful hands down. This light pink
and deep blue, just beautiful. [laugh] What I'm talking about is that this new
approach gives us a more realistic view by providing best estimates. No more wrong
decisions because nobody really knew how much padding or air there was in the
expense accounts. No more unjustified class cuts or proposed salary reductions
like the pay cut the college proposed, because the sky was falling on June 22,
2009, only eight days before that fiscal year ended with a $5.2 million surplus,
and the next with over six million. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that we are
in better financial times now than we were in 2009. Truly, we are not. The funding
reductions which are upon us are severe. But with our stakeholders of this college
now being able to more clearly understand what the real financial situation is. With
everybody knowing what is at stake, and what is the best and most realistic
estimate, we can now truly work together. We can weather this financial challenge as
a community, who is pulling together for the best of our students and the college.
Today, I'm here because I expressly want to thank trustees [inaudible] and
[inaudible], for their initiative and their ideas on how to increase
transparency to our college budget. I want to thank the other members of the board
for being open, and supportive to these new ideas. And I want to thank the
administration, and especially the accounting department for making this
change happen. >> Thank you all very much. >> Cornelia, Linda, Nelson is next and,
followed by Sally Sanger. Linda Nelson. Thank you, Board of Trustees for allowing
me to speak to you. I am a continuing ed student, a parent and a ... >> An older
person. I want to thank you for your hard work. The community appreciates your
commitment to fostering open communication. We know it's been a very
tough process. We know it's not gonna get much easier. But the community is really
behind you and thank you so much. >> Thank you, Linda. >> Elle Hosinger is next
followed by, Yolanda, Garcia. Good afternoon, members of the board, President
Hasiland and Dr. Jack Friedlander. Thank you for allowing me to address you today.
I'm here as My role as continuing education instructor's association
president. For decades, Santa Barbara City College has offered a robust state funded
program of specialized classes for older adults or older students, providing
affordable and accessible educational courses to older adults who are committed
to maintaining healthy and productive lives. These classes offer a vital service
to the seniors members in our local community and the state by providing
education on topics that promote good lifestyle choices. Keeping older adults
healthy, mobile and independent, which in turn reduces health care costs for the
individuals, the community and the state. The C.E.I.A board believes that local
control of educational resources and governance is critical to a community
college's system's ability to respond to local, educational, and workforce needs of
our community. To this end, we support Jack Friedlander’s recommendation to
create a continuing education taskforce that will, as one of its charges, examine
and address how to best serve the needs of older adults in our area in time of
financial hardship. This is a matter that deserves broad discussion. And
considerable examination of past, current, and proposed practices. This is an order
so that we can, the college, can continue to serve all members of the community
well. On October twenty-eighth, the Santa, the Continuing Education Instructors
Association Board approved the selection of Yolanda Medina Garcia as a coach here
for the task force. She was subsequent, subsequently approved by the academic
senate. We are confident that she will be an excellent facilitator for this very
important group. I know I speak for many faculty and others when I say that we are
appreciative of the leadership and the oversight the Board of Trustees. >> Has
provided the past eleven months. We are optimistic that with Jack Freelander at
the helm and with the guidance and recommendations of the continuing
education task force Santa Barbara City College will be able to meet the
educational need of all its community members a large portion of which are older
adults. Thank you. >> Thank you, Sally. Yolanda. [sound] Good afternoon, President
Hasslan, Trustees, Dr. Friedlander. I am Yolanda Medina Garcia, a long time faculty
member. Last week, Dr., Friedlander made a proposal to the Trustees in study session
regarding the parent-child workshops. The faculty who teach at the parent-child
workshops are in agreement with this proposal. Further, I want to take the
opportunity to publicly thank Dr. Friedlander for the productive he is
cultivating at Santa Barbara City College. I appreciate that he comes to the table
with an open mind. >> Listens to others, and is willing to admit when there is
something he doesn't under-, he doesn't know. Within this climate of openness,
honesty, and respect, we were able to come to a fair agreement. One that is cost
effective for Santa Barbara City College, and also sustainable for all the parent
child workshops. Thank you for your support. >> Thank you, Yolanda. Next is,
Carlos Martinez, and following Carlos, will be. Pernima Watch or forgive me if
I'm pronouncing that incorrectly. >> Do we know who you are? >> Okay. Thank you.
Carlos, welcome. >> Thank you. >> [foreign] >> Thank you. Good afternoon. >>
[foreign] >> Good afternoon, Dr. Freelander, members of the board of
trustees, everybody present. >> [foreign] >> My name is Carlos Martinez, president
of the continuing education student council. >> [foreign]. >> What I would
like to do today is give you a brief run of what I see is going on at the college.
>> [foreign]. >> And to remind you again about certain petitions, requests that we
have made that have not been responded to. >> [foreign]. >> And I would like also to
mention that a lot of the problems, or many of the problems that we are having
today, they began. >> [foreign]. >> Because, years ago we had a lot of classes
that were not in compliance with the state requirements. [sound] ... >> [foreign]. >>
Well we tried to get all the classes under the regulations and compliance with the
state requirements. >> [foreign]. >> That's when we started to have some
problems. >> [foreign]. >> The facts are really simple. It was to see what they. >>
Community was requiring, and also what the state was requiring, with their
requirements. >> [inaudible] Mexico... >> When I was a student of the Mexico
University... >> [inaudible]. >> I learned that sometimes the problem is not really
the problem. >> [inaudible]. >> The problem is, how do we face those problems?
>> [foreign]. >> It is true that many of the speakers have come up and said that
these new board of trustees has been chosen by the community. >> [foreign]. >>
Which is very true. >> [foreign] >> Not for all of the community. >> [foreign] >>
But, the responsibility that all of you have now, it is. >> [foreign] >>
[inaudible] The whole community. >> [foreign] >> Including those [inaudible]
who did not voted for you. [cough] ... >> [foreign] >> What I saw here, was a little
bit of lack of vision, to be able to resolve the problems. >> [foreign] >>
Something that was created a few months ago was the task force. >> [foreign] >>
[sound] [foreign] ... >> And we have been working a lot at it and we will include
it. >> [foreign] >> And we have supported the student, the continued education
student council has supported. >> [foreign] >> So that there is a
representation by all the areas. >> [foreign] >> And I said this before. There
have been different opinions and they have also, you know, quite different opinions.
>> On differences. >> [foreign]. >> But I consider that we've been advancing quite
well. >> [foreign]. >> We, we, we support the report that was generated by this task
force. >> [foreign] >> And as I said priorly also. >> [foreign] >> The
continuing education student council. >> [foreign] >> Does not support the Aces
minority report. >> [foreign] >> What we are seeing. >> [foreign] >> They also
should learn to collaborate all together. >> [foreign] >> [foreign]. >> We have to
understand ... >> [foreign]. >> Is precisely to continue advancing and to
resolve lots of the issues that we have, ... >> [foreign]. >> And the problems that
involve our city colleges. >> Confronting right now. >> [foreign]. >> We do not
believe that we have to put a hold on the task force. >> [foreign]. >> Mainly we
believe. >> [foreign]. >> That it is a waste of time. >> [foreign]. >> An
excessive expense. >> [foreign] >> To putting the, the, the task force on hold.
>> [foreign] >> Is really to put on hold the advancement of the college. >>
[foreign] >> It's true that, changes are occurring, many changes are taking place.
>> [foreign] >> And I have mentioned that also, in the prior meeting that you were
present. >> [foreign] >> But I think that each one of you do know. >> [foreign]. >>
That when changes take place. >> [foreign]. >> And these changes are gonna
be occurring all the time. >> [foreign]. >> The strongest institutions are the ones
who survive the changes. >> [foreign] >> This school is among the ten best. >>
[foreign] >> I think that what we're ultimately looking for is the excellence.
>> [foreign]. >> But one of the key components that you are not considering -
... >> [foreign]. >> - and the college has placed lots of resistance in ... >>
[foreign]. >> Although we don't talk about... >> [foreign]. >> Lots has to do
with respect to diversity and inclusion... >> [foreign]. >> And we have to understand
that California is a very diverse state. >> [foreign]. >> We have requested prior
to a zero tolerance to racism and discrimination. >> [foreign]. >>
[inaudible] We do know that. Racism and discrimination exists all over the world
and it's not something that's going to be ended. >> [foreign]. >> But the message is
... >> [foreign]. >> That we don't want it here in our college. >> [foreign]. >> And
the college, as an institution of excellence, should not tolerate this. >>
[foreign]. >> We have requested television transmissions in Spanish. >> [foreign]. >>
We are not promoting Spanish as a world language. >> [foreign]. >> We just wanna
be inclusive, and will include the people around the process of learning the English
language. >> [foreign]. >> [foreign]. >> That we believe that the responsibility of
these board of trustees. >> [foreign]. >> Is to give to the community. >> [foreign]
>> The tool. >> To improve. >> [foreign] >> I have mentioned also, that the
internet translation can be done in several languages, but the one in Spanish
right now, is very bad. >> [foreign] >> It is very important to inform all of the
community what is happening here. >> Also. >> [foreign]. >> As the two, that is
necessary. Two. You look at the [inaudible] here. And people have come to
this college. >> [foreign] >> We believe that it's not to generate good workers. >>
In order to do that we need a competitive community or a competent community. Pardon
me. >> The only thing that we are looking for is to have a collaboratively and hard
work, hard work with you. >> I repeat we are not against Aces and what they are
doing. >> [foreign]. >> Also, they should think about working together, and
advancing together. >> [foreign]. >> And look upon. >> [foreign]. >> The priorities
that the state is placing, and their regulations. >> [foreign]. >> At this
point what I also see. >> [foreign]. >> I don't see a good working environment. >>
[foreign]. >> I think a hostile environment has been generated. >>
[foreign]. >> I know. >> [foreign] >> We have to demand our people and our
personnel. >> [foreign]. [inaudible] Here. [inaudible]. >> Go ahead. >> [foreign]. >>
[inaudible] they make those demands. >> [foreign]. >> Just bother the people. >>
[foreign]. >> And then what we're provoking is that our people will stop
being productive and stop being efficient. >> [foreign]. >> This council now want to
thank you for the work you're doing. >> [foreign]. >> But we also would like you
to listen to us. >> [foreign]. >> [foreign]. >> More contact. >> [foreign].
>> And to have more contact with our community. To listen is not only. >>
[foreign]. >> To listen is not only to hear but is also to work together. Thank
you very much [inaudible]. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Carlos. [sound] Next is,
Pordema. And could you pronounce your last name please? >> Yes, it's Wagh. >> Wagh,
okay. I see it now. >> Hi. I'm going to try to make this as pertinent as possible,
and I'm going to be as candid as possible too. I am Porna Wagh, and I'm speaking on
behalf of the credit side of the college. I find it very amusing, and very sorely
disappointing. That the continuing education people come up here and give
their sad stories about how life sucks and how bad it is for them. You look at the
national debt of this country is $15 trillion and I'm coming to my, I'm trying
to make my point here and this is very pertinent. We have California at $28
billion in the hole and that's trickling down here at the county level and the city
level and here at the community college level. And we seem to just. Be a complete
blind eye to what's going on financially in this country. I mean we have a
financial meltdown, and you want people. To stop having these entitlement
mentalities. You know, they want something for nothing. You have credit students
coming over here working three and four jobs, trying to ecog a living, spending
1000's of dollars, going into debt 100's of dollars. As of yesterday, or maybe the
last few weeks, the national student debt is a, at a, at a, is a trillion dollars
right now. It's ridiculous. And here we are, fighting for continuing education in
basket weaving and bead making and porcelain dolls and whatever else it is
that they do there? At the expense of tax payers’ money? This is, to me, ludicrous.
I mean, you have to look at the core mission of SBCC and it is towards the
credit side of students. This is essentially the backbone of all credit
colleges. I mean, credit courses are the backbone of all community colleges. People
go to school here and then they transfer out and then they produce when they go
into their communities We are at a point in our, in our system. Where people
graduate with these huge debt. These huge colossal debts. And they have no jobs. And
my problem with a lot of the continuing ed people is hey, you can have continuing
education classes. But you need to pay your way through just like all the, the
other students are paying their way through. I'm one of them. And I think the
sorry excuses and entitlements need to end. I mean it, it's literally, it's
catastrophic at this point. We have no money and we can't keep bailing out and
you know, giving people money where there's no money to give. There's budget
shortfalls. There's all sorts of problems going on and this is having a huge impact.
You will see student populations declining if you continue on this disastrous path.
And that's all I can say and I hope you mull this over very carefully. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Anne Sprecher. You pass? Okay. That ends our, our hearing of
citizens. We move on to item 1.5, which has to do with communications, the first
of which is by the head of our academic senate, Dr. Dean Nevins. >> President
[inaudible], trustees, and [inaudible]. >> Superintendent, President Friedlander, I
have some items to report to you today. The first one is the superintendent’s
committee which is also know as the continuing education task force. I sent
out a message, to the CE faculty and I'd like to thank, Doctor Ariano and her staff
for facilitating that process because they have the most up to date mailing list. I
wanted to make sure that everybody got the invite and so we invited faculty's
participation in, in this committee. I've heard back from some faculty and I'm gonna
send up a follow up message to. Kind of stir up a little more interest, so that's
how we're proceeding on that front. And we're expecting to appoint faculty at the
November twenty-third senate meeting. So what will happen is if there is multiple
candidates for a particular position we'll have, they've also, they, they send. It,
it seems of interest. They also send us a small paragraph. And then the faculty,
senate will read those paragraphs, and decide who gets appointed as faculty
representatives. The second item is the TLU Relocation update. This is an on-going
process. The packets are ready to go out. We've gotten the information for the
administration, I have to think, almost went into that information, and, we're
preparing the packets to go out to the chairs. Each chair gets a custom packet,
so it's taking a little bit of time. But, yeah, that's gonna go out soon, and the
deadline is basically the end of instruction. Now, which brings me to the
last item. And, it's kind of a sad item, actually. And that is, yesterday, the
senate met, and did some rankings and replacements of faculty. And like I said
in the meeting, yesterday, we damaged the college. That's what we did. We did not
fill some faculty positions. As a matter of fact, we didn't replace a position in
biological sciences, with an emphasis on botany. We did not replace a psychology
position. A position in philosophy, a position in computer applications and
office management, a position in English skills, and a position in a school in
culinary arts and hotel management. Those positions were not replaced. That is
damage to the college. And it's also the first real strong manifestation of the
budgetary issues that we are gonna face from now on and this is the easier, next
year will be much worse. There were some replaced and biological sciences the bio
med position was replaced, chemistry, accounting two position in art, drawing,
painting and design. HIT science, science program, theater arts program, American
studies program, DSPS and Earth and Planetary science positions were replaced.
[inaudible] ... >> Any other questions? Yeah, Joan. Joan. >> That's good. >>
Actually, I've got a number of things on the academic senate minutes. >> Oh, Okay
... >> Questions that have come up and. >> Of course. Thank you for giving us the
update. We knew, we knew this time. >> What come that there would be faces on
the, on the numbers. >> Right. Right. >> But in a minute a couple of things that
again that use to be a breakdown, I am observing a breakdown in the communication
on issues. Last time we were getting all sorts of numbers about various things and
that's why I am having a problem. >> Hope you are not going to quiz on those, I have
not, I didn't study. >> No, actually I wanna know we all should know, we all
should know. We should all be on the same page on this. One of these is the program
review, and the SLO. So, the SLO date, we've been hearing various things. And I
can think of about four different versions on SLOs. And now the academic senate
offers another one. So nobody's at fault. It's just that we, as a board, because the
SLO due date, November twenty-first, is critical. The first I heard at the faculty
in-service, which we talked about last time, was that. I believe something like
90% of what was due was not done. Then there was a proposal by Doctor Freelander,
that he was going to use funding program, review funding to be a carrot and a stick.
And then we have a academic senate report saying that most of them are done but we
aren't going to use that. >> Funding, withholding funding. Because that isn't
how we do things at Santa Barbara City College. And I have to agree with that. I,
I didn't like that when I first heard that. So, I'm hearing, at one point, at,
at the in-service, that we're really in quite desperate straits getting them all
done. Now I'm reassured that most of them are done. So I just wanna make sure.
Because November twenty-first is obviously coming up. So, can we, can we be on the
same page on that? >> Actually, to answer that question, I'd like to defer to our,
[inaudible] expert. >> So how are we doing Mark? On [inaudible]? Pardon? >> We're on
schedule. Not, not with [inaudible]. >> Mark. Mark you need to come up here. >>
[inaudible]. >> I didn't know we had enough space, [inaudible]. [laugh] ... >>
[cough] >> [sound]. Mark, normally I would say okay. You don't have to come up here,
but since you voted S.L.O. That, that you do it, and here, here you are. >> The
status of S.L.O.s? We are, have about. 200 SLOs unwritten for classes out of 1640 and
we'll have them finished within the next three weeks. Then we have the SLOs which
have to be scored and everybody's aware of that. They will be doing it the following
semester and they will write they're course improvement plans the one after and
we willl be compliant. So we've, we're over all major hurdles. Okay. You, you
gave a wakeup call at the in-services and so I think we need to, concerning where
the deadline is we need to, stay on top of that. The other one was item 2.6 about IA
Communication using the campus wide in, mail system. We had a problem during the
last election. But, i.e., endorsements, political endorsements for boards of
trustees was broadcast through the system. And I don't think we ever came to a
resolution. I know Trustee Blume was also asking that we probably should become very
clear before we need to know exactly what is the role of political activity within
the campus on the campus e-mail. So I, I, I was just hoping that we can work with
that policy and so it's all clear ahead of time, so we don't run into issues
afterward. So. >> As long as it, it sounded like, I.A. Is being given full
access. Which may be appropriate, but does that also extend to political
endorsements. So that would be my only question about that. >> Is this a question
that the senate is taking up? >> No. Right, right now you know vice president,
Orick and I were working together, and will be working with the I.A. To get
clarity and closure. >> Oh. >> On this matter. >> Well actually it's we as a
college. We should have a policy, board policy, about that. >> Yeah. But that's
the first step to bring [inaudible], that we do [inaudible] before we put something
to the board. >> Now, you know, I don't think it's something we negotiate with IA
necessarily. It was just because it triggered a reminder that we need a board
policy that was very clear that it should probably start with the board finding out
what we can do appropriately and then ask college groups to respond to it. Anyway,
that would be my approach on that. Was there a typo? Everybody will be looking at
a.2% operating reduction? Or was it a 2% operating reduction? I thought it was ...
>> Eight point two. >> Okay, there's a missing eight. >> Oh. >> [laugh] You got
off easy. He should have said. [inaudible] exactly that's it. Okay. >> I wish the
minutes were correct. Yes. >> [sound] >> That's it, thank you. >> You're very
welcome. >> Thank you. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> If I could, if I could just add the, we
wanted to review the Board policy having to do with elections this year, when we
don't have an election. >> And I note that we only have one more meeting, so we gotta
kinda hurry that one up a little bit, and the, it wasn't just directed at the IA. I
also noted the other day that somebody had appeared at the, Republican Central
Committee and given their email address as here on the website. And I know that, that
has nothing to do with you, but that kind of email - ... >> Maybe this conversation
has. >> Oh, it doesn't. Well, it does. That's true. It has to do with everybody.
I'm not pointing fingers at you, is just what I was trying to say. >> I mean, do
you - ... >> But there are a lot of, Things like that, that we have to figure
out, and we need to be, ... >> I want to say cleaner about it next year so, so
thank you for bringing that up. Not you, her. [laugh] ... >> Okay. Any more,
questions? >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. >> Give me an A. >> We, we go on to a
report by the Associated Students. Is JJ here? >> I'll be speaking for JJ today. >>
Okay. Scott, go ahead. >> Beware I'm scripted. President Houseland, members of
the board and acting superintendent President Dr. Jack Freelander. I would
like to start off by informing the board that I have acted upon the skateboarding
issue that was brought to our attention during the last board meeting. And I have
placed it on the student's senate agenda for our next meeting on November
eighteenth. Second, last weekend, all sixteen members of the student senate
attended the general assembly hosted by the student senate for California
community colleges. SSCCC, in San Jose. During our stay, we attended workshops on
such topics as, how to advocate efficiently, the state legislative and
budget process. The utilization of green technology. The student success task
force, and many more. In addition student senators from SBCC also drafted a
statewide resolution in the hopes of being put into effect on campuses throughout
California and especially on our own. I'd like to commend the hard work of the
senators who participated within the ad-hoc committee, that was specifically
created for this purpose. The members were Senator [inaudible], Senator [inaudible],
Senator [inaudible], Senator [inaudible], as well as Dr. Hirsch, and our adviser,
Dr. [inaudible]. Our resolution was titled, Effective use of Technology in
Teaching and Learning, and was drafted with the inten-, with the intent to
increase student success, by insuring effective utilization of technology by
faculty. President Angler will be providing the board with a copy of this
resolution, as he has already done so with our academic senate. Over. Until then I am
content to say that our resolution passes, now supported by the Student Senate for
California Community Colleges, which represents 2.6 million students across the
state. From here we hope to see all the colleges within S.S. Triple C. Implement
the steps and improvements that a resolution clearly outlines and for SBCC
to embrace this resolution as well. Two weeks ago the student senate launched a
survey that is available on Pipeline regarding the academic calendar of 2012 to
thirteen the survey focuses on the student preference for how time should be
distributed between intercession and spring breaks. So far 175 students have
responded to the survey. The initial results are a surprise to the student
senate and therefore I would like to share them with you. As it currently stands
about 45% of students selected a lot six weeks for an intercession break and two
weeks for a spring break. 30% of students selected to have a five week intercession
break and a two weeks spring break. Well 25% selected the option that the academic
senate voted for which allowed for a six week intercession break for school to
start on the twenty-seventh of August. Now as we all know 175 students survey results
is obviously not conclusive enough evidence. However, the student senate
thinks that this topic should be researched further and in future given
these results all. I'd like to wrap up by saying that the student center appreciates
the effort of the board. >> The board that has always put forth, and, as always, the
student senate looks forward to working with college and consultation to overcome
these difficult financial times. And that is all.. >> Thank you. >> Any questions?
>> Thank you so much. Joan? >> Yeah, I have a question. Does your student health
insurance cover that period in between, or do you stop as soon as the term is over?
So when you have that six week break, do you know if you're covered, or is it just
when you're in class? >> You know, I do not know, but I would imagine that it. >>
It does not. >> Okay. >> Cover that. >> Yeah. >> Time between, because. >> Because
the students. >> You do have to think. >> That. >> Each, each time. >> Yeah. >> If I
may ... >> It's true. >> Scott, you're correct, in your response. That's not,
enforced, you know, when school's not in session. >> So do students think about
that, that six week gap or five week gap? >> Right. Well that along with several
other factors need to be considered. [inaudible] ... >> When you're on a
vacation getting into trouble. [laugh] Yeah. I mean that's a very interesting,
very interesting topic. >> Okay. Other questions of Scott? Thank you, Scott, very
much. We move on to Liz Aucoumclaus report from the classified employees. >> Good
afternoon, members of the board. [inaudible], Dr. Freelander. Our
consultation group had scheduled a meeting for yesterday, but because of the general
meeting accreditation team, our members wanted to go to that. So I wanna thank the
accreditation team for having that general meeting, where we could all attend. We're
in for hard times. I hope we can resolve the issues we have on the table, so we can
try to get through them. The last count, four million dollars out of operations is
going to be very damaging to the college. In sandwiching to the college what Dean
said about reducing instructors but, 4,000,000 out of operations when we're
mostly is people and we've never really had a surplus of individuals working here
is gonna be, is gonna change the scope of the college. So, I hope our proposal for
negotiations is for a hearing today, and usually there's not much to it, but I hope
that in, as far as the hearing, I hope that we can in this negotiations, use our
method we've used in the past of intra-spaced. Because a lot of these
issues may come to the table and we have to work together in order to solve them
because we are changing. >> So, any questions? [laugh] Thanks. >> You're
certainly right. A report from the Superintendent President? >> Sure. [sound]
Speaking up when, what Liz just said. I got a received an email just before the
start of the, today's board, meeting, from the Chancellor's office. You know, budget
area. And what they're saying is that the unfortunately the revenue at the state
level, is coming in even less than, you know, far less than what they projected.
You know, based in October. And, this morning, the state controller's office
reported that, for the month of October alone, the cash receipts were 810 million
dollars below expectations. Bringing the cumulative cash deficit to 1.5 billion
dollars for the first four months of the year. The next week, the, Office of
legislative analysts, releases its forecast. And the legislature has to act
on that forecast, or the one in December for projected revenues and expenses for
the year. To decide in December, whether or not to pull trigger one or trigger two.
Which is each different magnitudes of budget cuts. In our budget planning
process, we've based everything on the worst case scenario and unfortunately it
looks like that was a smarter thing to do than it was at the time their given states
in your revenue situation which is a transition into building on what Liz said.
I was at a, yesterday at lunch a foundation had a reception for the donors
to the, adopt a student program and students were there. And I looked around
that room and I knew the donors who were there and I knew they all had, many of
them had very difficult, different political beliefs. They came from very
different backgrounds. But they all transcended that to save for a common good
and the common good was investing in a future of this country, future generation,
and to me that was the most heartfelt part of that, that event. It was a gorgeous
event. [inaudible] to meet the students and what they're achieving with the extra
help was really the care. But it was just everybody pulling together for a common
good. And so far the spirit at this college in terms of these awful budget
cuts that we're facing has been just that. What I'll be proposing to the college
planning council. On Tuesday is given the magnitude of budget cuts we have to make
next year in following year beyond what we made this year that we form a ad hoc
budget planning work group so that we can be small group really speak in more
confidence about different areas that could be cut to reach that four million
operations and then bring it back to consultation. But I guess people have
freedom to not be to brace some ideas and put some ideas out that. Some will be
creative, some will not be pleasant. In terms of, what we have to do to reduce
that amount of money from our budget. So I just feel compelled that we need to
provide a bit more leadership in terms of putting proposals on the table, that will
be there for consultation. So that's what I'll be proposing to plann-, college
planning council, on Tuesday. The, A few who, notes I wanted to thank you, was on
Wednesday, this coming Wednesday, we'll be having a press conference to announce a
new guaranteed articulation agreement with any Auckland university. And we call it
the Bridge Plus program. And this is where we work with almost every major that
corresponds with what they offer. And students will be able to complete three
years of Antioch University at SBCCC and complete their baccalaureate degree. In
one year at Antioch University. And when we work out the budget it actually comes
in a less expensive option now then going through UC, when you look at the savings.
What they do. So the students who joined the bridge plus program will have very
detailed plans of it, all the options they have to stay on track, to get their four
year degree completed in three years. Or if they're part time, to give them an
option, how they can speed that up, and [inaudible] take the right courses. But
it's very generous in terms of what they're doing. Joan Gallivan will be
sending out, a press, an announcement. To, and some of the individuals to attend
some, you know, press conference. Board will be invited, to it. So it's going to
be Wednesday in the Loriat you know, conference center, at 10:30. In the
morning, on Wednesday, if you can be present if at all possible. That's very
important. This would be. One in a lot of agreements we'll be announcing this year.
We'll be announcing a guaranteed articulation group with Arizona State
University, and a number of in-state privates, and out of state public and
private institutions that we're working on very carefully to get, provide our
students with more options than they don't normally have now, because, what's
happening is, UC and CSU, are either reducing or keeping seats constant. But
the number of qualified applicants for the seats and particularly majors that
students want to go into has been rising dramatically. So the CAT or [inaudible]
agreement might be 32, 30, 22, CSU. But the truth of the matter is that students
want to get into major that they want to get into the GPA's much higher. And so we
have to provide more options for the students so we're proactively doing this
by developing this guarantee. [inaudible] agreements with in states. [inaudible]
privates. And out of state, public and private. So you'll be really very pleased.
As I announced, more and more of these are guaranteed articulation [inaudible]. And
it's, I have to, you know, thank Laura Castro, members of the, transfer center
staff, in providing leadership, along with Dean McClellan, in developing these
agreements. The, speaking of which, we just submitted yesterday, the, our
transfer academy. For, to nominate them to the, statewide exemplary program of the
year award. And, in reading that proposal, I think that we have an excellent chance
of receiving it. The academy, it's the only one of its type in California, that
we, [inaudible] approach we took. But when I started reading all the, all of what
they've accomplished, I lost sight of how wonderful a job they're doing. So
hopefully, in a couple months now, we can announce that the We're selected. But if
not, we can all be proud of what they're doing. I'll try to send you a concise
summary of what they have just so you are aware of it and maybe at a future board
meeting I think a presentation would be very val, applicable, including all the
guarantee tre, articulation groupings that we have in the works and our process for
doing that. Because in the end, we've got to provide our students, set the bar
higher so they achieve it. But we have to give them options to transfer and that's
a, that's a priority a high priority to do that. I want to thank every, you know, Bev
Parti, Cindy Salazar for their work in organizing the, Dorantes lecture. I want
to thank Trustee Veagis for his introductory remarks, you know, talking
about his experience with Leonardo Dorantes. That was our twenty-first
lecture. And I looked at all the lecturers who've gone before plus a current one,
Paul Saulson who really connected with the students, and I realized each one of them
what a different approach they took to addressing the idea of, you know,
importance of tolerance. And [inaudible]. Commitment to it and different ways of
looking at the effects of discrimination and how to overcome it. For 21 speakers,
21 very different, approaches, all were very good. And our. This ... >> Just had a
way of connecting with students. And the night before, he showed us a documentary
called "Mississippi Burning". It's about the first integrated prom. In this town in
Mississippi, and had integrated prom, happened about ten years ago, you think
of, or less. That they still had segregated proms this recent in our
history. And Morgan Freeman, you know, agreed to, who's from that community,
acted in that role. But we had over 200 students, standing room only, for that
vil, for that viewing, and we talked and talked afterwards. So this issue of,
Importance of you know, diversity, of tolerance and understanding, and
[inaudible] Do everything we can to condone, you know, eradicate, do our role.
We can't, to not have, tol, any tolerance. But really to educate, because a lot of
times people make comments, they make statements that they're not even aware. Of
what the affect is and that was the message, one of the messages, of our guest
lecturer yesterday and it's a good one, you know? And he asked people in the
audience yesterday, how many people have said something they wish they hadn't said,
you know, that is was discriminatory and all the hands went up. When people, you
know, said, I look back in our past, what we've done. And, so you really raised your
voice consciousness, but I think. Having this annual event. But all the activities
we do before and after is, we can't do enough of it. And we're, and I just wanna
reiterate our commitment to it, to all those activities to do what we're doing.
It's so important. We had, last Friday, over 300 people. Half, over half of which
were not associated with the college. We're present Friday night for the day of,
the dead. And. Yeah. I wanna thank Sonia, Norma Lee, you know Dina Castillo and
others for organizing the event, they do it all on their own time. And to get that
kind of response from the community is another demonstration of what we can do
pro-actively, to raise this level of discourse in our society to do that. To
Also, last thing I'll say before I walk, I'll give you one more recent update. I've
got five minutes before I walked in here from, the state, is last week. We had this
week, you know, [inaudible], you know helped organize our fourth annual, third
annual Veteran's Recognition Awareness Day. And we had 21 community based
organizations and sixteen college programs that showed up for this event that each
offer resources to our veterans. And so again, you know. We have a growing number
of veterans and, I was so proud. To just see what we're doing and community college
partnership. Because we don't have the resources, the community agencies don't
have the resources, but the they're all partnered together working with us to
serve our veterans. But, these things don't just happen by themselves. So,
again, Magalino Torres, I couldn't say enough about. Again, it comes down to a
person or persons who make things happen. The last. I just got a correspondence from
Constance Carroll. Constance Carroll is the chancellor for the Sandy Oak, Sandy
Oak community college district, and she's engaged in a state wide student success
task force. So what. Was, requested, and agreed to by the Student [inaudible] Task
Force yesterday, at their meeting, was. That they remove the recommendation that
says, to amend the statute to limit the scope of allowable non-credit classes to
only those identified as career development or college preparation. So
the, the, student success task force, statewide, agreed to, take that out of the
recommendation. But, they've asked Constance Carroll to take a lead in coming
up with a recommendation, that. In place, I volunteered in Constance Carol. I was
given the responsibility for writing a paragraph that, while preserving the range
of authorized non-credit courses and programs. We'll also call for inculcating
the goals of student success and completion across the range of our
non-credit programs. Which is something we all try to do every, in every case. And
so, we'll see what she comes back with. She's asked for input, as a, substitute
recommendation, that will affect our non-credit programs. So we'll follow that.
But that's a recent development that I just learned about, literally, about five
minutes before I came upstairs to do that. So with that, [inaudible]. Gal I'm just.
Changing all of the wonderful things taking place at this college, but in the
interest of time I will end my report. >> Okay, thank you very much. Joan, did you
have a question? >> You know, I just, a tender thing passed through my mind
because both Louise and I knew Leonardo Dorantes. >> Been around long enough. I'd
go buy bagels from him and. >> Huh. >> You knew him. And it just struck me. He'd be
40 years old today. And it's just, deserves a moment. It was a young life. We
encouraged him. He was so enthusiastic. He was such a good student and it was a hate
crime. It happened right there in downtown Santa Barbara. It used to be the what,
First Western Bank middle of the evening, 7:00, but he would have been forty years
old, he would of had grey hair like you Louise, [sound]. Probably would've had
children and could of been a great alumni. >> Alumna from Santa Barbara state
college. So it's, it's, it's more than a name, it's really a person that some of us
knew and it was nice to be recognized. >> Well I just want to say one, one last
thing. I have learned two days ago. They question you. Is it a member of our
foundation staff? It wasn't at the time. It was actually on the jury. That, for the
Dorantes case. But the one thing I will share that she shared with me, was, in
listening to all the testimony. How many lives and families were affected by that
one, unfortunate death? And she's, that's what she walked away with. You know, that
one person. How many, you know, how, with a web of connections, how many people were
adversely affected by that, one way or the other. >> Okay, thank you. >> Yeah, I just
want to take a minute to share few things. Maybe this is a symptom of the time after
eleven months I finally had some, a little free time so to speak and I was able this
week to attend three different City College Events. One was the, the Atkinson
Gallery exhibition which was just great and I'm familiar with that artist and also
I went out, at the Dalo Mortos. It was just moving, the altars, I had never seen
a display like that and, and, and it was just very moving event. And the third
thing I did was go to a lunch, guess who is coming to lunch with the foundation and
I just want to encourage the whole community to get involved with that. You
know at these, these small lunches Vanessa Patterson from the foundation brings
together members of the community, faculty to make you know, that the guess who,
faculty comes and makes the presentation So business members, community members,
foundation members. And, and we all talk and brainstorm. And it's amazing what, can
come out of those little intimate lunches. So, that was, just really. It was a nice
week. Al, also, just I'll take one more minute, you know, talking about the budget
here. I'm, I'm. And hearing the speakers, again, I'm moved. And, and I just wanna
reassure the members of the public, including [inaudible], who brought up her
concerns at this board. I have a lot of faith that we're addressing these issues,
and that we're gonna be able to get through them. And the fact that people can
share about the continuing ed. I think it's a good thing. We all know
entitlements are going by the wayside. This board is, is not ignoring that fact
that all these entitlements are going away. And we need a task force to, plan
for the bigger future. Where can we go to help with this? And. And at the same time
I, I just personally, I have a student here and I think, Sometimes from the way
the speakers speak they forget that I have a student here who's a physics math major.
And he works twenty hours a week, or actually he just quit his job after
working a year and a half full time physics math major and working. So, I know
firsthand what it's like, I've got two kids trying to get into college right now,
And I'm bringing that empathy, I'm trying to bring that empathy in, into my role
here as a trustee. So, I just, again I just want to talk to the general members
of the community. We get it, we understand the seriousness of, of what's going on
here. And the cuts that are having to be dealt with within the college. >> Thank
you. >> Other trustees? >> Yeah. I'm from the facilities committee. I wanted to
thank people who had, who arranged for the facilities tour of the Drama/Music
building. It, it, I really appreciated walking through it with a hard hat.
Because I was amazed how quickly it's now coming together. And I know that sounds
funny after we've waited for so long but I just think it's going to be an amazing
building and it already is and I, I know there are a lot of little things still
left to do but I look forward to the opening. [inaudible] To the moving in, in
December and January and then the opening in April, so, but thank you for that. >>
Peak, you know, that we got. And also, at the facilities committee, Joe Sullivan, we
were asking about skateboarding, and he's working on it too. I heard the student
senates working on it. So I think we'll have some kinda policy and hopefully Peter
won't get knocked over ever again. >> Yeah. >> That's the, that's the goal,
right? And then the last. >> Hopefully, it won't be by a skateboard. [inaudible] ...
>> It won't be by a skateboard, right. >> Yeah, I [inaudible] that. >> And then the
last thing was there are town houses being built behind Shiftco and I know that, City
College had an agreement with that, with that developer a long time ago, that they
might be offered to, City College first and I was going to tell you this. I fogot.
>> Mm. >> But, but that agreement went by the wayside because that developer went
bankrupt. But they are now being, built and if you go over there you'll see
they're coming along very well. >> Hm. >> They still have the income. Covenance on
them. So, if somebody from City College would like, oh, walk across the street to
their house, you might look into that. We don't have an agreement with them, but
that doesn't mean that you can't go and, you know, and look at it and see if they
can afford it. They're supposed to be for medium to low income, and, there's seven
of them, and they're gonna be very nice. >> So. Just wanted to pull that out there.
>> Very good. [inaudible] ... >> Okay. Thank you. >> Mm-hm. >> Other, other
comments? [sound]. Okay. We move on to item number two, governing board. The
first item has to do with the adoption of the resolution number 21. >> No, I think
we have a, a period of time, a report time for issues. Number five, report from board
of trustees. >> Oh. >> Usually we have a panel discussions. >> That's what I
thought we were doing. >> That's what we were doing. >> No, didn't you say you were
talking about adoption of a resolution? >> [inaudible] >> I think that we just have a
general discussion by the board. >> Okay. >> You, you had a point to make on the ...
>> Yea, a, a number of things and I'm going to follow up a little bit on thee
What we were just talking about. Policy, media policy. Using email addresses for
the college. Because I, just a couple days ago, I received a, an email from a
continuing education instructor who sent it out to some sort of group email to CE
instructor's CE students. At the end of her email, she mentions something about,
you've received this mail because you're taking, or have taken a class taught by
this instructor at Santa Barbara City College. Continue education. Continue
education respects your privacy and does not send unsolicited emails. And so
there's some sort of collar of authority of the school that this private email was
sent out on and I don't know what our policy is on that. Somehow it feels like
it's abusive. It was just simply a, an advocacy for the, this [inaudible]
initiative. But if they're going out under our name and I don't know what authority
this person sent. Got access to the email list. I mean, obviously they were students
of hers at one time, but does that give her the authority to keep. Those names,
and use them for whatever she wants to use them for in the future. So, we want to
expand what we're doing with our internal email. What's okay, what's not okay. And
then this also brings one of our trailing issues that we've raised at other board
meetings about a code of conduct for continuing education. They have different
activities, different interactions. And we've had a number of reports about
learning environment, working environment, Instructors bring. Political candidates
into classrooms, various things. So I think we really need to take a hard look
at. What. Is the environment in continuing education. Does it need a separate code of
conduct? Or do we need to emphasize our student code of conduct here, and then
also for instructors over there? We just need to look at it. And, you know, here's,
here's an example. Is this okay to collect student's names, and then use it, but use
it with our name attached to it? I guess that's my concern. She wants to collect
them, and these people have agreed to be and contact her, that's fine. But, okay,
that's a concern. I will have some questions about the adoption resolutions.
And I guess I can wait until. >> There's a motion or we can talk about those. >>
Yeah, on that what we're gonna do is, Paul Mitchell is, we're gonna call him when we
get to that item. So he'll be here to answer questions that people might have,
board members might have. You know people in the It, it. [inaudible] meeting about
the redistribution options. So we'll discuss that. Paul. We'll call him in a
second. >> Do we, do we know? One Question I have is, is there a deadline we need to
have this done by? >> Yeah. I think we need to, To take action, the board needs
to, the December fifteenth board meeting would be probably. >> We have one more. >>
We have one more board meeting, so So, perhaps I was mistaken earlier. I had
thought we were on item five and that's when, ... >> We had several. >> I thought
I had heard we were going on to an adoption of resolution [inaudible]. >>
Right, we were and then, because I thought we had finished with item five. >>
[inaudible] >> So at this point unless I hear an objection we'll move on to item
two and 2.1 and ask Angie to make the phone call. >> Yeah. >> [inaudible] I
think we can move forward on the longevity recognition. >> Oh. >> On the student
presentation. [inaudible] ... >> What's your pleasure, Jack? >> [inaudible] move
[inaudible]. >> Well, I think Left these. >> Ask Angie [inaudible] do now to give
Paul Mitchell a call because he's, I told him we'll come him about quarter to five,
five, and if he can wait then we would take the presentations first, which would
be my preference. >> Okay. >> And they'll probably take about twenty minutes or
fifteen. Good. >> [inaudible]. >> Yeah, give him a call. >> Right now? >> Yeah. >>
[inaudible]. Yeah. So. Why [inaudible] calling, let's do the, ... >> Longevity
first, Sue. >> Mm-hm. >> Okay. >> Thank you, members of the board, Doctor
Freelander. It's my pleasure to invite Mary Saragosa to come forward. She is a
student program adviser, or short is SPA. In financial aid. We are recognizing her
for ten years with Santa Barbara City College and Brad Hart, as the director of
financial aid, will tell us about Mary. [sound]. Good evening, members of the
Board. I was just here last month with one of my other members, and, I'm, pleased to
be here this month with, Mary Saragosa, a student program adviser for financial aid.
As I may have mentioned before, we have six student advisors in the financial aid
office who see students and do all the processing of files. Mary, in particular,
came from, UCSB, where actually, I had worked before I came to Santa Barbara City
College. I knew Mary a little bit there. She was in the, she was a federal, the
federal work-study program there at SB, at UCSB. She currently. He has duties for
that as a loan coordinator of the financial aid office. So she handles all
the student loan program, which is quite an extensive program that we have, at, at
SBCC, as many colleges do. Handles the student loans, the parent loans, the
private loans. And she also handles, the calculations for all of our students who
withdraw from classes. That we actually have to calculate about the amount of
money that they owe back to the, the school or to the federal government. So,
she has a lot of responsibilities, but she's very good at it. She's very
technical, which is really good. Because it's an important thing in financial aid.
And she's very tenacious, I would say, about her learning. She always wants to
learn new things. She's very [inaudible]. Talk about going onto the websites and
learning new information about financial aid, so I appreciate that. And staff come
to her quite often for her knowledge especially of the intricacies of financial
aid if a student has dropped or, owes money back to the college. Mary goes into
the accounts, gets a lot of detail, and is very, thorough about it. So I appreciate
that about Mary. So, I'm happy to have her here and, at City College I think we're
very fortunate to have someone like Mary. And I would like to see her, I know she
will, continue and I look forward to her many years of service to Santa Barbara
City College. [sound] [sound]. I just want to thank, my director, Brad Hardison. He,
creates a really great working environment, he's a great mentor, he's,
very much encourages learning. He's, he's not a micro-manager, so you feel very
empowered as an employee. And I wanna give a shout-out to our dean, Dr. Ben Partee.
He has a great open-door policy, so he's very, always available, and he has great
support for our department. And it's great to work at Santa Barbara City College. My
two kids have gotten through college on financial aid, my. My sons came through
here with a fee waiver, and my one son graduated, graduated from UCSB on a Cal
grant. So I'm a great believer in financial aid and the public education
system and the great state of California. >> Thank you. [sound]. >> [inaudible]. >>
Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Sue. We're. >> Where are we what are we doing?
>> Students. >> We are in the in the Paul said he can wait. >> Kenny. >> Let's do
the, the Presentations then we'll go to item two 2,1. >> Okay. >> So, I'm on for
item 4.3. Good evening, members of the Board, President Hasslen and Dr. Jack
Freelander. I would like to bring our focus back to the students and for our
presentation tonight. You know, we have over 60 student clubs on this campus which
I think is amazing and I want to recognize. [inaudible] Dr. Ben Partee, and
Amy Collins, who aren't here. And all of the faculty who give their time out of the
classroom to develop the kind of atmosphere that we have here that means a
lot. Out of those 60 clubs, eleven of them focus on the sciences. And this evening,
we have representatives from three of the science clubs, to talk about the types of
activities they're doing. And I think you'll find it really interesting. The
very first club, if you wanna come down here, is the SHPE. >> Right. >> The, the
Society of Hispanic Engineering Professionals. And we have Adrian
Diestado, Michael Gonzalos, and Esidral Coldaron to talk about. They're close.
Take it away. Hello or good evening, my name's Ecidero Calderon. I'm a student
here at City College and I'm majoring in mechanical engineering. Hi my name is
Adrian [inaudible] and I'm majoring in aerospace engineering. >> And my name is
Michael Gonzalez I am majoring in mechanical engineering as well. >> As like
Miss Merlyn said we're [inaudible] we stand for society's batch of professional
engineers and this club is mostly for underrepresented Hispanics students to
pursue a degree in the stem fields mostly engineering and here are some things that
are meant to help students majoring in those fields. Well our program has a, has
many tutors and so we have a, a wide range of students no matter what math lab and we
have tutors for everyone and something that we do as well as... It's an annual
thing we go to a national conference in which students from all over the nation
get together for this conference and we tend to workshop with professional
engineers. And we get to learn what they do, how the work life is with them, and we
also get to just network with everyone. And, I know like Usedure here got a good
internship offer from GM while we were over there, and there are over 200
companies, by the way, that attend this. And I myself also had an experience there
with Boeing. And, ... >> [inaudible]. >> It's, it's a great way for students to get
exposed to what's out there after the four year, university level. And I can, you
know, I'm just thankful for everything that ship offers us, and, it was great.
Also at Ship we really like to help out the community. And so, one of the biggest
ways we do that is through this annual formal event we like to call The Mixer.
Which is this thing where we gather, local high school students, and. We give them
the opportunity to meet with professional engineers. And we think that, that really
helps them kind of visualize the goal of it and see, you know, what it is they're
working for. And it just gives them that sense of professionalism. And we help them
through the science. We helps students who are in, Science, technology, engineering,
and mathematical fields, stem fields, and it's something really cool that I think I
really like about Chip. >> Another, another thing we wanna mention, is, last
year, we got club of the year, thanks to our ex-president, [inaudible], which
transferred to [inaudible]. And, we hope to get that, next club of the year for
this year. So, thank you very much. [sound]. >> Maury, you had a question? >>
I just have a question, if I could. You're [inaudible], you're great examples for the
club. But how many students are in there? I'd say 30. >> 2,000? >> Like there's,
there's, there's clubs all over at each university, so. >> But here you have. >>
Here we have. >> 30. >> Just 30 members. >> That's great. Thank you. >> Mm-hm. >>
Also, I would like to publicly acknowledge Nick Arnold. He's our, our faculty. The
faculty in engineering. He took the initiate to get this club on, at the
college. And what you hear later on is the whole philosophy with student clubs. >>
Is, we turn it over to students to develop the constitution, develop everything, and
run their events. And we used to try to do a forum, and we had hardly anybody show
up. When the students do it, they get large turnouts, and were thriving. And
this club has been just terrific. But, it had an advisor, Nick Arnold. Just wanna
recognize his contributions to making that happen. >> Something I'd like to add, as
well, to that, is, while we were at the conference, we saw that there were
actually some high school. >> Ship chapters there as well. And so, it's
something that we were considering maybe, going into the [inaudible] with kind of
[inaudible] pipeline with the community high schools here in Santa Barbara to
start some Ship Chapters there, so they can start being exposed, to the world of
engineering. Which I think would be a great idea. >> Very good. >> Thank you.
Simply wonderful. >> And then one more thing also [inaudible]. [laugh] we also we
like to thank MESA which is the Mathematics Engineering Science
Achievement program, which really helps, sponsor [inaudible] too. So we want to
really give thanks to MESA. >> That's great. >> I think [inaudible] just pick up
your thirty-first member. [laugh] ... >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you so much.
>> And I would add one more comment, that one of our local mentors, an engineer at
Raytheon, Jose Bonea, was my student in ESL many years ago when I taught ESL. One
of our great success stories continues to give back to our students here, and it
really means a lot. Next club I'd like to introduce is, Wise Club. The women in
science and engineering and to speak for W.I.S.E. Is Joy [inaudible]. [sound]
Hello. My name is Joy Elaine. I am the president of Women and Science and
Engineering club. Here afternoon is wise, just kind of feel like locking in. So I'm
a visual learner myself so I brought along some of the fliers so you guys can see.
And also a poster that we have. I don't know if you can see down there? >>
[laugh]. >> So it's just a, just. I only joke around that I'm kind of the
recruiter. So I'm trying to pull people into science cause The whole thing with
women in science and engineering club, is, there's not many females. And I don't
think it's because we're not smart enough. It's cause we didn't know. I didn't know
what engineering was 'til I was a junior in high school, in my first drafting
class, where I was the only girl. So it's really cool to get to reach out, and kind
of pull on these younger students, and just. And this is my fifth year at the
City College. I took some time off here and there. So, it's really, really great.
And I just love, I always kinda joke around that I like to turn people on to
science, as you can see by the light bulb on the flyer. So I just really like to get
people excited, because science is really. Hard, but it's so fun. And that's what I'm
here for. And I want to just. Kind of spread that passion for it around the
campus. So, that's why kind of fun posters, this way, I just want to pull
people in with them. We added student draw. Actually [inaudible]. Do we like, do
science. We pull on their natural talents to get the posters. So we can get, get the
students in, interested involved. So I want to read for you our, mission
statement. This is what we are as a club. To activity support science and engineer
majors with study groups, activities and art reaches. To come together to
positively influence and encourage each other and ensure a success. As a group we
will promote science to our own school as well as reaching out to others. And making
ourselves available to teach as well as to learn. We believe that our field of study
is empowering, challenging, satisfying, and doable, we are wise. So we acknowledge
that it's really hard, but we come together with study groups. And it's
really great, because it's not just engineering. It's, I'll look in there, and
I'll, I'll say, gosh, you know, I'm really struggling with this chemistry test. And
one of the Chem majors steps up, hey, I'll help you out. Can you help me with
calculus? Sure, I got it, you know? So it's really great, where we build on each
other. And so we're there to kinda help each other through these midterms and
finals that we're going through. And, you know, a lot of us do have jobs. And we're
working and, so it's really great to kinda get to come together, and. Talk ourselves
thru that. Also I like to view city college as, a bridge, to the next four
year, because this isn't our last stop. City college is somewhere we came. I
personally wasn't prepared enough to go to a four year, which is why I'm here. Some
people didn't have enough money or whatever. So we're here to just, just.
Kinda work on what we need to, and so I like to say that we equip people here in
our club. So, we kinda fill you with the information you need to send you off you
know, to this college or that college. So something we're working on is we work with
UCSB campus very closely. And so we have a chapter over there, so they'll come talk
to us and so stuff like the. Guaranteed articulation agreement. I really so
appreciate stuff like that, cuz we have tag over it then. So, we're kinda working
on getting our club worked out with other universities that we can have a place to
go after that. So, some fun activities, cuz I always joke that science is hard,
but it's really fun. So, we have built a plane day, where it's. Everyone's open to
the entire campus which we're gonna do next semester and we'll have all sorts of
scrap materials and cardboards and duct tape and they get to build an airplane.
And we'll judge it based on you know, divided by, the distance divided by the
mass or something and they'll be a little prize for that. And so it's really cool
cuz we pull kids in and at the end of the day even science. Isn't it neat? So it's
really fun that I just get to. Acts almost kind of as an advocate for science for
this school, and just, talks to kids. And so, Mike Young is really cool. He's a
physics teacher, and he does physics fun Fridays, with fifth and sixth grade kids.
So our club is teaming up with him to do physics experiments in the science
classes. So we get to go out, and say. This is what it is, you know. It's not
hard, it is a little bit, but we're gonna help you through it, so we get to do that
and also with the high school. We wanna go out and talk to eleventh and twelfth grade
math, science classes and say, well these are some of the classes you'll be taking.
You can take them here at the city college and just kind of go through all that and
just kind of talk you through what it is to do well in science because that's
something that I struggled with for so many years, and now that I'm finally on
that right path, I finally get to turn around and look at this club, and let me
help you through it, is something I'd really just like to say to them. So it's
something that, we just self-support each other. >> In closing, I just wanna say
that I'm so proud to go to one of the top ten junior colleges in the nation. What,
what a success. So, I just wanna commend you and thank you for all the work that
you're doing for us. Again, with things like the tag and all that. So, thank you
for your time. [sound]. >> [inaudible]. One suggestion. Is, when you have the,
build a plane... >> Yeah. >> Day, make sure you invite Boeing engineers to
attend. >> Definitely. >> They might learn. >> Get an idea for what should be
the next major plans to the dream liner. >> Definitely. >> Great. >> We often have
them any other questions? >> I just wanna give credit answer to Judy Mayer who
usually is here Dr. Judy Mayer because a few years ago she put on women in science.
Well Leny Paul you remember a panel and Lindstark participated in it. Judy was
there and to hear the stories of women. Now the thing that was interesting is that
they all seem to have affinity towards MATH that somebody saw that they were good
in math guided them. >> Into science when they never would have thought that, that
was where they were going to go. But anyway, it was, it was a innovative
conference. It was like it had never been done before to have women talk together so
you really reinforced there is a need and there's a different way of looking. >>
With the poster, its Albert Einstein poses Uncle Sam just kind of a joke but my
teacher advised that we are talking about like, oh let's put a famous female
scientist in there. We thought about it like who is recognizable in science that
everyone's gonna get me. >> We couldn't think of one. And we are like, well,
[laugh] you know. >> Wait a minute. Some of our graduates. >> Yeah, so we are
looking on the faces of the students. Maybe that will be the next big female
face in science. We don't know still cuz it is not there yet. So we get to kind of
build on that which is pretty cool. >> Hold the poster out for the TV. >> Oh,
there. >> There you go. >> What was the, the name of our former student who is
heavily involved in leading the charge in nanotechnology at MIT? >> Oh, the nano.
[inaudible] ... >> [inaudible] Belgium ... >> Yeah. >> Yeah, there you go. >> Two,
two. McArthur Grant. >> [inaudible] and [inaudible] are two of our great
[inaudible]. >> That's who you need to put in that. >> Yeah. >> Definitely. >> Yeah.
[inaudible] ... >> Actually, that's a good, that's a really good suggestion. >>
[inaudible] >> Yeah. >> And Doctor Michelle Paddock, eh, one of our new
faculty members in biology is the, sponsor for this club. >> [inaudible] >> And
she's, eh, got incredible energy. One of, you know, with the new stem grant that we
got, one of the requests that the faculty had put in for funding for all of these
different areas was to bring students to national conferences and have them have
the opportunity to present and really raise it to that professional level. So
hopefully you'll be [inaudible] going someplace really cool with, Michelle.
[laugh] ... >> Okay, and the last presentation for this evening, is Teresa
Pane, and she is from our biology club. Are you the President? >> I am. >> She is
the President of our Biology club which is tremendously active under the leadership
of Blake Baron in biology. So, take it away and. >> You have a? >> Yes.
[inaudible] Hello. I am the president of the biology club. We are very active on
campus. Some of the things we do. It's, it's a place where. Hold on a second. Okay
got it. It, it's a really good place for biology like majors and other students.
Anybody interested in biology can get together and again like all the other
sciences it's really hard, you need network and you get to like help each
other with their classes. But one of the things we do is, we go to different local
elementary schools and preschools and we talk about like biology to the little
kids. We bring like different reptiles and spiders and creepy crawly stuff and We
have gone to Montessori and Annakapis school and then we just did the Kinko's
learning center up here the other day. So that's really fun. It's really good. It's
a good opportunity to see the kids learning that they are interested in and
biology like it’s, it's really cool to see a little girl excited about bugs and
that's I mean [laugh], I mean, it's just really cool to see and also it is really
good way for our students to learn, to teach and a lot of people get really
enthusiastic when they start doing this, like I wanna teach so. It's really cool
thing to do. We also, We got, we do nature walks. We try and do them four times a
year. We, we have a spider walk, which is led by Professor Jen [inaudible]. She's,
she got her PHD researching about spiders. So, we walk, we've been going back in
Tucker's grove. We've been walking through there, and we, it's around Halloween. And
we go out and we hike, and we look for spiders, and that's pretty fun. We also do
a mushroom walk, which we go [inaudible]. And after the rainy season, with Bob
Cummings. He's a plant teacher here. He's retiring after this year. But, We go and
we get to look at the different types of mushrooms and fungus around and it's
really fun. Because all of these professors are really enthusiastic and
they take the time out of their own lives to come help us learn and teach us and
it's really fun. We also do a, a tour of Lotus Land by either Norm Burr or Bob
Cummings, who are both plant biologists, so. Which is cool. Lotus Land is really
pretty. And, we also go tide pooling with like [inaudible] Bob and we go tide
pooling. >> With Blake Barren, and we get to go we usually go out to Devereaux, and
that's an octopus. >> Mm-hm. >> And so. It's really fun it's a great opportunity
for students to learn about, again, about biology. And these are all open to anybody
who wants to go so, it's a good opportunity We also do interclub stuff, we
do at the end of the year. The biology club has a kickball game with the geology
club, which is fun. It's really fun. We choose kickball, because it's not
something that everybody practices all the time, so you can kind of have a, a level
playing field. But, yeah. We also fundraise a lot, because we go on the, a
camping trip at the end of the year. So we have bake sales, pretty much one a month.
I'm not sure if some of you have seen us. We also do carwashes, [inaudible] stopped
by our last one, which was fun. But we... All of this, most of this is for our
camping trip at the end of the year. We, we have a, we take around 30 students on a
camping trip. We've gone to Monterey Bay. This is Monterey Bay, Monterey Bay in San
Diego we got to go behind the scenes. This is behind the scenes in Monterey Bay. We
got to watch them feed the fish in the tank and we got to talk to the scientist
there and we got to go to the San Diego zoo and we got to go behind the scenes
there too which was really, really exciting. So it's, it's a good way. >> For
you to learn about science that you wouldn't really think about. And it's a
good way to network, it's a really good way to network. So, that's it. >>
[inaudible], thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you so much. [sound]. >> I think
that was really inspiring. >> That was great, wasn't it? Again, I have known,
acknowledged [inaudible], Amy Collins, but. David. A concerted effort to
encourage students to participate in clubs and they provide. The support for students
to do these clubs. It's a work. I'm constantly amazed for these petitions for
these specialized clubs that students have corresponds to their interests. And to get
other students to sign a petition showing there's enough interest that they develop
a constitution. And they all do it. On their own that they find about the advisor
... >> And, it's just it's part of what we're trying to do, is create student
life, on this campus, and I think we're doing a great job. We will continue to
focus on that. Okay. >> Are we prepared to? >> Yeah. Angie. >> Get Paul, on the
phone. >> Right. >> Are there preliminary comments that you want to make, prior to
Paul getting on the phone. >> Actually, I, you know, I have my speech that I can make
without him being on the phone. >> Good. >> Because it's addressing, the board and
the community. And I assume we're on. >> Item 2.1 about reduster team. >> Yes. >>
From day one when we had our first presentation and the issue was on the
powerpoint about one of the goals was incumbent protection enjoying districts so
I objected to it at that time and I continue to object to it and I've also
raised the issue of having a neutral look at communities of interest and something
has felt very wrong about this entire process and I couldn't. Quite justify why
I was feeling so bad about it. I went back and looked at the California Redistricting
Commission, which the state just went through. It was an initiative passed by
the voters creating an independent agency [sound] to do the redistricting. So I went
to their website and looked up the principles and I, I've given you a packet.
I'd like to have it included in the record of the meeting today. I'd also like to
have my comments verbatim put into the minutes as well, in the written minutes.
But the conversation that we never had was. Is what our communities of interest.
I've raised the issue. Trustee Crunger even got credit for raising the issue
which he, you know, it was my issue. I wanna make that clear that. >> I kept
asking how can we start. >> [sound] >> Looking at this process neutrally first
and we never did. We were given maps right off the bat that were drawn around various
incumbents. >> Excuse me just a, Lisa. We have Paul Mitchell. Paul. >> Can you hear
us? >> Yes. >> Okay. Good. We just started discussion of the redistribution options,
and Trustee Livingston is raising some concerns regarding. The, the approach we
took. And [inaudible], and she can speak for herself, but I'll just try to
summarize real quickly. And she heard, she's really concerned that she mentioned
last time we were... You joined us, we discussed it, it was on the community need
for you know, think about communities of interest. But Trustee Livingston, if you
wanna. >> Just, is there any task you wanted to do for Paul, or just go forward?
>> No, actually Paul has done his job that he was ... >> Okay. >> Directed to do.
It's our board, but I think. >> Okay. Drop the ball on this or, you know, is not
interested in it. I don't, I don't know because I still have been trying to bring
it up. So I just [inaudible] want to put it into the record because when I did look
up the organization that [inaudible] commission they, they're under the name,
we draw the lines. I'm interested in it because I did apply for that commission. I
was one of the people that applied to be on that commission. So it was just
something that I felt was really important and. This commission does not control
school board restricting. There is no question about that. It simply controls
the, the state legislature, the state board of equalization. However. The
principles of that organization which the voters supported, are the antithesis of
how we've gone about this redistricting process. So in the back, I have included
facts from we draw the lines which is the California redistricting commission. And
there are about seven principles and the main one is incumbents should not be
drawing lines for their own district. There was an editorial yesterday in the
Santa Barbara News Press, where [inaudible] raised the issue that perhaps
it would be better. If this were done by a neutral agency such as the county board of
schools, school board county, whatever. Enable that organization, Marty as our
liaison to it. But what comes across in the redistricting is that there should be
no incumbents drawing. Their own district lines and this was the thrust of the, the
initiative that pasted a few years ago. That we have seen the, the work product of
and they wanted to insure that there was no communication between the commission
and the legislators. They wanted A, a real firewall between these two activities,
that the commission was supposed to be drawing lines very, very independently.
They also wanted to have a lot of community input onto communities of
interest. Which we never discussed even once at a board in any sort of neutral way
let alone taking it out to the community and this means having [inaudible] out in
the community. The ones that are particularly being affective. Carpenteria
and Montecito, actually going out there, talking to people, letting people put in
their input. We've never done that. This was part of the process. Defining what
communities of interest are. Their objective things that. The front page of
what I've handed out says how do I talk about my community? And it goes through
various ways that we look at the district at large. What would be the natural
affinity? And then how do we fit it in to the requirements that, that we're
operating under which is Paul’s skill. So it is, you know, it's working in
conjunction with that. I appreciate the fact that we had to put Montecito and
Carpenteria trustee residential areas together. We did have to create a minority
majority. But that's only two districts. We had five districts that could have been
anything, and we never once look. >> [inaudible] >> And what would be
communities of interest that might meet the population requirements? We had three
plans but they were, they were done deals and as I say they were drawn around
incumbents so we never have that neutral conversation. Some of the other
principles, in the facts, is what, what does define a community. You go through a
checklist. You kinds objectively look at it and then you think well how would that
Apply to the district of Santa Barbara and then, Paul, help us. How do we draw lines
around some of these communities? I, I'm sorry we didn't' have that dialog. And
then the seventh principle on the facts is the commission, the statewide commission
does rely on the active participation of citizens across an open conversation
citizen input exercising responsible judgment. Well the only discussion we've
had that's been active or interactive has been the board drawing their own lines,
which as they say is the artifices of this entire political reform movement. I wanted
those comments in the. In the record. You know, you can do with it whatever you
want. We're up against a deadline. But I'm sorry we didn't take a more objective
approach on this. Perhaps we could have worked with League of Women Voters.
Somebody to facilitate this process, rather than just being handed incumbent
drawn maps, and have them chosen by incumbents. So that is the end of my. >>
Speech on this I think you might want to read this. >> Okay, we have hands up.
Marsha you can go first. >> Joan, I guess I'm confused. We didn't draw these lines.
Paul proposed them to us as alternatives. The one that we had consensus on last time
has two new districts with no one in it. I don't see that as protecting incumbents. I
certainly didn't look at in those terms. What Paul had indicated to us is that we
had to comply with the requirement, first of all, to even up populations, and he
proposed. Alternatives for doing that. And then we needed to look at the California
Voting Rights Act and look at whether or not we could construct a district that had
a minority influence or a majority. In order to facilitate the ability of those
minorities to express their voting preferences. And that's all we were
looking at. And so the consensus last time at the Board was that we should go for
Option two which creates a, as the, the greatest. Latino influenced district that
Paul was able to draw based on the census data that we have. There, this was the
best option for maximizing our Latino influence. It is a district. That would
have no one in it at this point. And so that opens the door completely. There is
no incumbent preference here. We also under the map there created a new district
in Goleta, which has no one in it. So I think we're not favoring incumbents in any
way, nor did we draw those lines. I do think there is a legitimate concern that
when you look at community of interest, combining carpentry and Montecito are very
diverse communities. But the problem was, and I think you just recognized that in
your comments. That. The requirement even of the population did not provide us a lot
of options. Now if we need some more thought on that issue, I am open to it.
But, you were supporting option three, option three is the one that only has one
district. That is empty of any representative and isolates Isla Vista and
I have expressed previously a great concern that that's not a community that
is easily going to generate someone who can put in the time and effort to work on
this board. It's a community of largely students. And, and that's difficult for
them to be able to do that. >> 'Kay. Thank you. Lisa, you were next? >> Yeah, I just
I was very confused, too, by labeling these incumbent drawn maps because that's
not at all what they were. No matter how many times it, it said, it's not gonna
make it. But it was. We were given criteria and legally we have to follow
those criteria. Marshal's already aligned what they were and communities of interest
is at the third tier and it is important and, and I know you've brought it up
trustee Levingston each time and for me, I feel like as an individual trustee, each
time you've brought it up I've thought through, well, how does this, how does
this reflect our community, it's difficult we have such a diverse group here in. From
block to block we have. You know different ethnicities different income levels, you
know, schools. We talked about the fact that school, the high-schoolers move
around the districts. They don't necessarily go to school on, on their
block, they go, many of the students move now to different schools based on what the
schools emphasis is. So I guess I want to say communities of interest is interesting
to me. I did consider it each of the four times you brought it up and I feel that
there are several maps there that do the best job they can reflecting that. I
disagree. 100% that these were trustee drawn. We followed the lead rec,
recommendation on how to go about this and a consultant based on criteria given to
us, gave us several options and we've discussed them repeatedly. >> Okay Marty
was next and then I'll get back to Joanne. >> You know, I, I'm not gonna repeat what
the, what, both Lisa and Marcia said but, not only did we talk about community
interest every time you brought it up, I tried to engage to, to engage in a
dialogue about it and didn't feel like I got anywhere. But that's okay. At least we
were both talking about it. And, I think, as Lisa said, it comes, you know, we have
to consider it but there are other things to consider and I think a lawsuit, from
the voting [inaudible]. In fact that would be just devastating to this college and
there is no reason for us to do that or to even expose ourselves to that. The one
thing that I wanted to say is that I was a league observer for the redistricting
commission and it was a very difficult thing because they had 80 you know, 80
assembly members and, and 40 Senators and a Congressional district. And I think that
they did an amazing job. Now do I agree with everything they did? No. But at least
they worked on it. And you said that we never had any public meetings, well this
is a public meeting. Every single one of our meetings that we've discussed is a
public meeting. We do not meet not in a public, I never have done that. So it's,
it's you know. I don't know that going to the library and asking people to come
there would do anything for us if that's what you were talking about publicly but
we, we do have a deadline now it's December fifteen and it's up to you, if
you wanted to draw lines but are saying that we shouldn't be drawing the lines I
was. Very interested in what Paul do for us so I am gonna stop right there but
Kristy's. >> Did not draw their own lines. We did have public meetings and, we did
talk about communities of interest. >> [inaudible] Joane. >> I sense there's
still a major disconnect between what I said and the feedback that I'm getting. I
asked at the very beginning that trustees not even be identified and I also asked.
To take a look at, neutrally, without any alliance at all. I believe I was even
promised that we would be able to look at it that way. We never, we never looked at
the map as a blank slate. As I say, I have already agreed, we have a voting rights
obligation to create a district. I have never been against that. It's just a
matter of which one. We were told where the demographics were that would support
that. So, please take that out of the discussion. And I recognize, too, that the
carpentry of Montecito. As I say, those were two districts. We had five other
districts that. We never looked at as a blank slate. So, yes The lines were drawn
by a company, but they did include the incumbent. When we were given them, they
were given with incumbent. Which really shouldn't have been part of it. Never did
we have a neutral discussion with an open map. And that is my original complain,
continues to be my complaint. When I read the California redistricting principles.
That don't apply to us technically, but I think they apply to us in spirit. I just,
it just gelled why I think this process has been wrong from the beginning. Once we
got into what we did with computer drawing lines and they kinda fix and then we
juggle here, we juggle there we lost that moment where we could look at it as a
fresh. Exercise. Create some objective criteria. Apply them. Then work with Paul.
These we see as communities of interest for this particular district because they
will relate to our mission which is community college education. And never
happened. So I am on record now of having been just uncomfortable about it. I don't
accept. >> Parts of what you think I'm saying. I'm not saying that we shouldn't
have a California votings right, rights appropriate. >> [cough]. >> District >>
Incumbents were included from day one. We were told that, that was one of the goals
is incumbent protection. Mr. Evanstine relates [inaudible] protection is just
another way of saying gerrymandering. You know, these are things that, we should be
above it. There should be a legacy, this is our legacy for the next ten years, of
who we are as a district. And I think we, we failed in the process. >> Perhaps this
would be a good time to ask Paul to comment. >> Hmm. >> Well - ... >> Did he,
did he stay with us? >> I think he fainted. >> [laugh]. >> So, my comments
would be, and in fact, I, right before getting on this call, I was actually
talking with one of the members of the Redistricting Commission, Connie Galambos
Malloy, who, she and I've done a lot of speaking together, and. And, we actually
have talked a lot of how, you know, local governments sometimes think that it's
right to apply kind of what the state commission did, to the local process. You
know, the. First off, I. The commish, the, the job of redistricting at local
government is always in the hands of that local board. They can't defer to anybody
else to draw the lines. The, the Orange, in San Diego County, the County Board
actually attempted to create a commission, and empower that commission to draw the
lines for them, and it was found that they could not. Ultimately, each agency has to
be the one to improve their lines, and the only way to get around that is to have a
ballot measure that would, take that power away from the agency, and put it in the
hands of separate commissions. That may be a conversation for what to do next time.
And then you know, the, a lot of the principles that the commission used are
the same as the traditional redistricting principles that we used. And the only
difference was, we were trying to be more aware of the As a voter in'10. And, trying
to not use redistricting in a way to clean out of their districts. And this is
another thing that is unique to local governments and redistricting, because.
It's gonna ultimately be your job to pass the redistricting plan. It's not very
believable that individuals, city council members, or school board members aren't
going to know where they live. And so a redistricting plan that actually does
create. Empty districts, and draw council members, as an example, into the same
districts. Could probably be seen by a court as a more suspicious redraw, and
invite more challenges than one that simply does maintain the existing better
choices. So it's a different application of a lot of the same theories at the local
level, as you have at the state level. And if there's an interest by the board in
trying to remove the job of redistricting from it. That's something that could be
done for the next redistricting, but it would just have to be approved by voters.
[sound] Comments? You know, I wonder if there's Any questions regarding what we
discussed last study session cuz Paul was directed to come back and say well, if
option two is where the preference was, here are two options for how the
elections, the ordering of one election will take place. They put out option A and
B and it's like, no today while we have Paul here are there any questions about
what he is Saying these are the options, within option two. >> That people would
need, board members would need clarification. >> Marsha, would you like
to respond? >> As, as I mentioned to you, Jack, I do have a question about option
two, here. And, and, I'm not seeing that as a workable option, and I'm wondering
what I'm missing. Cuz under option two, it looks to me like we wind up with two
years’ worth of only five trustees instead of seven trustees. And we take. >> The two
new districts, B and D, D being the Latino influence district. And we give them no
representation at all for two years. And I just don't see why we would want to go
there. >> I think it's probably they run for two years. >> To get to fourteen and
then they run again so it might be a partial term. >> That's not what's listed
here. >> Well. >> But I mean, I think that's one of the options. >> Well I think
you're right. Paul, can you answer that question? Yeah, the, the existing members
of the board who aren't termed out until 2014, would be staying on the board until
2014 no matter what we do with the numbers. Okay but then, we would, those
existing members of the board which would be in you have, we have two in option two
there are two districts F and G where there are two existing board members, one
in each. So in effect there's no election in F and G is what you're saying, if you
say that. Is that what you're saying? So depends if you number that as a district
is coming up in 2014, like I had in my sheet then election in 2014 there wouldn't
be an election there and whoever has been incumbent there. I think the way to think
about it is, whenever you're elected by your voters you're going to represent
those voters until the next election. Okay. But in your option two you have
both, the ones where they are You have E., F., and G., as 2012 elections. >> Even
though in each of those there is a board member whose term has not expire, doesn't
expire currently until 2014. >> Okay. >> And correspondingly or not correspondingly
we have two districts who have no one at all. >> Being proposed for election. Their
empty districts for two years. So that's why I'm saying I don't see how option two
works. >> So. >> At all. >> If somebody is. You can have two people in the same
district essentially, in the same geographic area, one who just got rea, who
just got elected there in 2012 and one who got elected and is not leaving until 2014.
They're technically representing the original lines that elected them. In the
past. >> Did you mean 2010? Cuz these are four year terms. >> Yes, so somebody who
was elected in 2010 is going to continue to represent the people that elected them
in 2010 until their term expires in 2014, no matter what we do at the live. >> But
you've designated those districts as 2012 election, so it doesn't make sense to me.
>> F and G. >> The. >> Says term expires 2012 and, and it also says that the two
new districts with nobody in it, B and D, including the Latino influence district,
which is D. Would have no election until 2014. So that's how I get, I mean. I get
one election in, in A, which is one trustee, in 2012. No election until 2014,
so there's no trustee there. One election. >> That can, one person in C that
continues to 2014. No election in D until 2014. One trustee in E that continues to
2014 and na, and you're saying one each in F and G that continues 2014. That's five
trustees. We're missing two trustees. >> Paul, Paul, if I may, I think what would
be helpful with everybody is for you to say here. Are the decisions the board
would need to make under option one, and how that would influence who's up for
election in'12 and'14. And then, once you had that understanding, cuz that would
influence, what happens in option two, in terms of which way we go. But, I think if
you walk through that, that might be helpful. >> No, that would be very helpful
I'm sure, Joan. >> And then, but I have a concern that these are all new districts,
their all brand new. Nobody has, nobody owns any of these districts. When we
started the district we spread people out geographically. And when we start
clustering people. Well these will be the 2000 election, or 2,000. Or let's say the
general election year, and the non-general election year. We, we end up with a
cluster up, up in one chunk of the, the district, and then another cluster down in
another chunk at a district. And we, we lose the ability to have a geographic
spread, so. Just tell me the answer to one thing. Since they all are new districts
nobody owns any of these districts They just [inaudible] in and they have a term
that's just that's no longer valid because they are not an outlarged trustee any
longer. Is, is possible that every single district can be reallocated with a
different election date. Right now, every single district, every single new district
... >> Why do we have the carryover from an old. >> So. >> Election system that
we're not using anymore. >> Just step back and you get at one of the principals how
this works. >> If you were elected in 2008, your term is up in 2012. At, at the
end of 2012 if you don't seek reelection you'll no longer represent those people.
>> Right. And but if you were elected in 2010 no matter what we do with the lines,
no matter if we got rid of the lines, you'll still represent the people that
elected you in 2010. So no matter what happens, you're still elect, you're still
representing. All the people in either your district, or the, in, in the
structure of the old system, until your re-election. So, effectively, lines take
effect in two steps. Lines for people who are up in 2012, or who choose to run in
2012, will take effect in 2012. And the sec, the second set will take effect in
2014. >> So then, the two collapsed systems - ... >> The, the, the democratic
principle is that you always represent the people who elected you, not the line that
you're in, based on a new re-districting scheme. >> So you wouldn't be filling in
the two empty districts if, let's say, Jerkowitz and Livingston decided to run,
there's already a sitting trustee in their new districts. >> That's, that's the thing
we're having a problem with. >> Those two districts would not, actually if they’re
not taking effect until 2014, their being represented by somebody until 2014. >> So,
they are precluded from running then. >> Right. >> Well, Paul. >> Yeah. >> Paul, I
think he. Talk through the Option one. That will address, the question that
Tristy Livingston raised, and others, I believe have, and also, Trustee Kronger's
question. And then, you get, cuz that would influence Option two, and vice
versa. So I think you'll be addressing, two questions or more, by walking through
that option. You know, you know, what actually are the decision points? >>
[inaudible], did you wanna? >> Well, I was just gonna ask Paul. Could it be that,
under option two? But Marsha pointed out, F and G in 2000. Was that just a typo?
Should it have been 2014?'Cause based on what Paul just said, it should be 2014,
correct? >> But, I think... >> I, I think so. But, but then, you've gotta change
your two empty districts. >> Right. >> To 2012. Which I think, then, matches option
one. >> And if I may, I think, I think Paul can adjust this first. Then we can
come back. Well that's just usually because, I think that everybody wants
Paul. Walks through this Either would give clarity or it won't give clarity to the
answers to questions that people are raising. >> I think. >> Paul do you want
to walk me through this. Sorry Peter. >> Well, I am, I am thinking that in the
interest of time we, we give Paul a chance to clarify this in a written document so
that we can actually see it step by step. It doesn't appear to me as if we are gonna
come to clarity tonight. The point that I was going to make before this, this, this
has to do with the immediate part. I am more concerned about the long range part.
And there I agree with, with Joe Livingston that we have not done. What I
believe needs to happen, which is to talk to our communities. I, I mean we may be of
the opinion that since we've focused on it and therefore are ready to act, I, I, I've
had a number of calls from folks in Carpenteria wondering what on earth is
going on and, I want, I want a chance to talk to Carpenteria about this process. It
doesn't mean that the outcome is gonna change. We, we have some very real
constraints. But it does give us all a chance. To talk about so that everybody
has a common understanding. I would suspect the same is true of Montecito
[sp?] and Joan you are absolutely right. These are. Two very desperate groups, and
we, we need to be able to explain to them, and help. And maybe they'll come up with a
better idea. I don't know. I'm, I'm certainly open to that. But I would, I
would think that we might want to move on, and let this one ride until our next board
meeting. Where did you go [inaudible]. Well I, I think before our next board
meeting maybe if we have a study session in between we could go through it. Because
I had told Jack after I voted for option two that I had some concerns, I understand
them better but. The nature of, of how it would actually lay out, and when the,
voting would take place was, was confusing to me. >> So I, I think your idea of
getting a written opinion from him, although we sort of have it here. And
having a study session and understanding it better and then maybe, maybe we're in a
position to vote on it at the next board meeting. >> Is that, yeah, [inaudible]. >>
Yeah, I, I don't wanna prolong the point. But, can you remind me, or maybe Jack can
remind me, in what ways is this are these options public, in terms of our website,
or. >> Well, we can make them public. >> We can post 'em. >> Would that be
something the rest of the board. >> I think it's, I think it's posted right now
as part of the agenda, the attachments. Is that correct Angie? So it's already
posted. >> Can it be highlighted somehow to draw attention. >> Yeah, we could,
yeah, I think it's a good idea in terms of inviting. >> Public input. And, Dr.
Hesslin, it's up to the board. But we do have a, board study session on December
first. >> Mm-hm. >> Which is two weeks ahead of December fifteenth regular board
meeting. And we have a crowded agenda, but I think we, this is so important, and time
sensitive. That it might be a good idea to include this on here, and we'll have
additional clarification. >> To tell one thing, Jack is, is very important that we
be very clear about what we're voting for. And having, having any sense of confusion
about it just doesn't merit our vote. >> Joan. >> Have we, have we done anything in
the newspaper, we had any medium, ads or anything that has laid out the District?
>> No, because I think. >> Reached out? Why not? >> Well, because the Board. Yeah,
we discussed option two last Thursday. And we put this on as an agenda item. And we
publicly posted it. But we haven't, asked for [inaudible] per say. Although, it's
not been unagenda-ized. But in the [inaudible], if we put something on our
webpage. That's when we could, I think it should be published in Carpentaria
newspaper, Montecito newspaper ... >> You know, this is what you do when you're
making these kind of decisions. >> Can I. >> Well I think the, I'm sorry, go ahead.
Well I think maybe the reason for that could be that given that we have a waiver.
>> I think it's the decision of this board. It's not something that's gonna go
to the voters. So, which was I think, based on the editorial yesterday. That
would go to the voters. >> Yes. >> Which we then would occur a cost to have a
special election. So maybe that's why. >> [inaudible] >> I'm just saying that maybe
it's not. >> [inaudible] >> Well it doesn't, it doesn't say this. >> Other
than being noticed. The item was noticed several of the three times that we've
discussed it, I think, but. >> Marty was next. >> I just wanna to add not only, the
important thing to that was wrong in that, editorial was that, it didn't recognize
the idea that we are talking about district elections. We're not talking
about at large elections. I think we already kinda made that decision. If
anybody still has at large, on their minds I, you know, wish you'd speak up now. But
we're talking about district elections and Lanny was urging us to. Adopt district
elections, but we should make it very clear, if we're going to put it out there,
that it is by district. >> Marsha? >> And I would also suggest, Jack, if we're gonna
put it somewhere else on the website, that we include the discussion about what it is
that we're required to look at. So people have a better understanding. They're not
just looking at a map without information about what the applicable, policy and,
legal requirements are. >> I think that's, I think that's important. I think what
I'll do is I'll. >> Although Paul has given us all of that information, I'll be
careful to work with him to make sure all of that information is accurate. >> Yes.
>> Good. I mean, that's exactly, what I think Joan is saying, and all the rest of
us is saying that we should have a fact sheet, that says this is the proposal, and
there should be no ambiguity about it. >> [inaudible]. >> And that's what we can
take to our separate communities. >> And talk about. >> Right. But I'm also
indicating that we need to help explain to people, both the question of the
differences in, the, legal voting. >> Eligible people in the different
districts. >> Population requirement. >> The population requirement that we have to
even it out. >> Mm-hm. >> Which is really what's affecting Carpenteria and
Montecito, in ways that people are rightfully perhaps un, unhappy about. >>
Yeah. >> Okay. >> I guess another question would be if, if a citizen petition is
filed how does, how does that fit in to. >> The process. Until it gets approved by
the chancellor’s office, is this still an open process here, or could it be
superseded by a citizen's petition? >> Paul? [sound] I could hear the question a
little bit, but. Could I get clarification on what the question was? Well, the
question is, there was a, an editorial about the possibility of a citizen's
petition to the county schools board. Marty, help me out with the official name
of that. Which is allowed to draw districts, it's one of the legal entities,
apparently, that has the authority to do it. So, where, you know, who, who, who
wins the, the race of getting the final document, or the final. Allocation. Let's
say they start a petition. They go to county schools. And we're, we're moving
along with, with internal approval, chancellor's office approval. Who, who
decides when you have two competing forces? The, there is a possibility, that
especially absent this chance is off his pathway. That school districts could go to
that, what essentially is the county office of education. And either get
approval for your lines or waivers, [inaudible] election for a redistricting
process. But, This is not an avenue that has been used anywhere in the state, to,
require or force a district to change to, districted lines. The pathway is a
lawsuit. And that's a law, that's a path that we've talked about with the
California voting rights act, and with the court interceding, and forcing the
district to change its election system. But as soon as you transition to a seven
member board, as we're discussing as any of these options, that would, that would
not be a pathway anymore. Once you've actually transitioned, you're done. Right,
but the county. >> Bored. >> They have no rule. Well what's with the petition
process that they can petition for. >> [sound], impact on the district. >> The
[inaudible]. >> I know we were, we were taken to county schools once before on
that issue. So it sounds like various people can approach this in different
ways. >> [inaudible] >> I'm just wondering, who gets, who gets to the, the
goal line first, and where is the goal line for our process? At the board vote?
At the chancellor's office approval? If the citizen's petition also is working its
way through the system. >> Does that put a, a stay on our process? >> Did you
address it? >> And I don't know whether there will be a petition or not, but you
know, there was interest in it. >> I'm wondering, Paul, if, if you can answer
that question on that same sheet of paper. Because I'm, I'm sensing that, Maury
[inaudible] has one more question. I know, also, that, Luis and Maury are needing to
leave the, the board. And I'm, I'm eager for them to have a chance to finish their
conversation. >> No, no. I, I was just gonna add that I think the article in the
paper, was about district elections, and not at large. And, we're talking about. >>
Communicating with the community. If, if we communicate with the person that wrote
that editorial and tell him what we're planning, maybe he'll be satisfied with
that. >> Mm-hm. >> And apparently according to what Paul is saying, we're
the. The buck stops with us. This is our job to do this. And I think if we start at
this late date, exposing all these things to the community at large. It's gonna get
very confusing. It's confusing enough for us right here to solve this. And when we
get all this input from all the community at large, I think it's gonna become an
impossible task but. >> Okay. >> Luis. >> Well, well, I was just going to mention
that the Chancellor's office with the Board of Governor waiver is driven by the
Legislature not just by the Board of Governors. So, that has that authority.
Secondly, I think I wanted to reiterate what Dr. Hasslen [SP] was that, was that
maybe that question can be included in Paul's write-up. You know, so we can
discuss it further at our next meeting. >> Is, is there an objection to that approach
so we can move the agenda? >> It's good. >> Okay. >> What. >> Thank you Paul. >>
What I'll do Dr. [inaudible] is we'll place this on the December first study
session agenda, and, too, on the [sound]. >> December fifteenth. >> Okay. >> Next
board meeting. >> It could be a long meeting on the first of December. We have
a lot, we have a lot. >> I, I won't be at that meeting but I think I've had the
opportunity to get my views known. >> Yes. >> They're on the table. >> Thank you. >>
They're in the, they're in the record, per your request. >> I'm in the record. >>
Item two point. Thank you, Paul, very much. We'll. >> Thank you, Paul. >>
Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Hear from you later. We move on to item 2.2, president,
presentation of the districts initial collective bargaining proposal to the
International Brotherhood of Teamsters. >> [inaudible] >> Excuse me, I have one
actually important question. Is, is appropriate for the acting superintendent
to recommend on this or is this something that should be the board only. >> On 2.1.
>> On 2.1. I know it’s the changed. >> Oh, I just, I would say, I say whatever, the
board today with what. I just want to have clarity. >> As to when I work with Dr.
Hassel[SP] in putting together the agenda. The agenda items we've already collected.
>> Alright. I'm just looking at the one line that the acting Superintendent
recommended. Recommends approval of this resolution and I'm just wondering if it
would be more appropriate if you didn't weigh in one way or the other on it. >>
Well, let me just move on. >> I just want to bring that up. >> Move on. >> I think
we really need to, go ahead. >> Thank you very much. Item 2.2 is the presentation of
the District's proposal to the Teamsters. Having received direction from our board
we are. Now informing the public of what our initial proposal is, I would just
simply say that this is in the format of a completed agreement simply because this is
the initial negotiations with this group. It is a proposal that pulls in from items
in a memo of understanding that we have with managers and supervisors, has some
parallels to what we have for our classified group. The topics that are
treated are some basic. Housekeeping items that don't usually come up once they are
resolved. There is an opportunity if the district received a cola for re openers on
salary at this point, however there is nothing additionally offered with respect
to salary. We have got salary administration guidelines and grievances
procedure, leaves. And holidays, lay off issues, our catastrophic illness plan.
And, with, The presentation of this, that I'm encouraging th e board to do, is. >>
Approve that at our next board meeting, we will have a hearing on this matter. And
that we will make copies, and distribute them, between now, and that time. >> Other
questions of Sue? Hearing none, thank you very much Sue. >> I need action, please.
>> Oh, you, what action do, I thought you said. >> Yes, that you, just recommended
by the board, it's the, the last two items. >> 2.2. >> So I'm, I recommend that
we make a proposal of the matter for public record for pick up, et cetera, as
set forth in the agenda and give notice to the district that the public at the next
board meeting, a hearing will be held to provide the public with an opportunity to
express itself regarding the district's initial proposal. >> Is that a motion? >>
Good. >> Mm-hm. >> I'll take it as a motion. Is there a second? >> Second. >>
Discussion of the motion? >> Hearing none, we move to a vote. All in favor, say aye.
>> Aye. >> Opposed, nay, abstentions? Thank you. >> Thank you. The next item is
the public hearing on the CSCAs. >> Mm hm, okay. Item 2.3, a public hearing on CSCA,
and it's chapter 289, initial collective bargaining contract proposal to the
district. Is there.... >> Did we propose that a hearing be. >> Held. >> Yeah. Well,
and. >> Or we. >> I'm, I'm going to [inaudible]. >> Vote for. Move to. We
move. I move that a hearing be held to, accept the proposal. >> On the not
accepted, but to have, the hearing for the proposal? >> Okay. Is there a second to
the motion? >> Second. >> Okay. All in favor of the motion say, I. >> I. >> I. >>
Oppose nay. Is there a, are there those who would, would wish to speak to this?
[sound] ... >> And hearing none. >> Okay. Hearing none. We will what action is now
required? >> Close the hearing. >> Mm-hmm. >> Okay. >> Move that we close the hearing
on this agenda item 2.3. >> And is there a second? >> Second. >> Seconds. Lisa, all
in favor say "Aye". >> Aye ... >> Nay? Abstentions? We are, we have opened. We
have closed. >> Thank you. >> Okay, You, you, you don't even have to sit down,
you're next. >> I'm waiting. >> Item three, item three. >> Okay, thank you very
much. >> [inaudible], what would you like consent on? >> [laugh]. This is the HR
consent agenda, and I have one item that I need to provide you some additional
information on. On page three, under the, notification of faculty appointment, I am
very pleased to, inform you that the director of student health services will
be Laura Farris, F-a-r-r-I-s. [inaudible]. >> Roman numeral 5-11, plus twenty days.
Beginning November twenty-ninth, And with that, I submit the, agenda two for
approval. >> Is there a motion to approve? >> Very good. >> Lisa moves, is there a
second? >> Second. >> Motion is made and seconded. Discussion? Hearing none, we
move to a vote. All in favor, say aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed, nay? Abstentions? >>
[inaudible] Thank you. >> Thank you very much and the last item relates to
destruction of records and I think it's self-explanatory but it requires board
approval. [sound]. Move approval, of [inaudible] item, 3.2. >> Hm. >> Second?
>> Second. >> Motion is made and seconded. Discussion? >> Just so I'm. >> Yes. >>
100% clear. We're destroying records that we have copied already on microfiche. >>
Absolutely. >> So we're not actually. >> We're destroying the paper, but not the
record? >> Precisely. We're trying to save some paper here. >> Okay. >> And we are
recycling the paper. >> Absolutely. >> Thank you. >> Was there a motion to
approve? >> Yes. >> The motion - ... >> And we had a second. And we have
discussion, and discussion has ended, and we'd move to a vote. All in favor, say
aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed, nay? >> Abstentions? Thank you Sue. >> Thank you,
Sue. >> Item four, Marilyn [inaudible], educational programs. >> Okay, item 4.1 is
the co-curricular budget, and I, I would like to comment that we appreciate the
generous support each year of our bookstore, going to support our
co-curricular activities. Do you have any questions about the budget. >> Twenty, For
a student trustee has, is anything from student senate involved with that? >> No,
I have no questions. >> Okay. Is there a motion to approve. >> I've a couple
questions if they can be answered in detail. The president's honor roll went
up. >> [inaudible] >> Well, excuse me, let's have a motion to approve. >> Okay.
>> So moved. >> Motion is made. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Now
discussion. >> Okay, discussion. I'm just curious. On the president's honor roll,
went up significantly, commencement went down significantly. >> How do we save
money, and how do we spend it? >> Yeah, the, What's happened to President's honor
roll, is that. It, the participation rate has. Quadrupled, in the last two years and
so we Were. What's recommended is to provide, increase the budget, because the
budget was based on. >> Prior tense, which is not, wasn't a well-tended event. Now,
can't even find space to stand, where been holding the event. And with respect to
commencement, I believe it's reducing similar costs associated with the
commencement breakfast, I believe I could be wrong about that. >> I mean, actually
it's the other way around. >> Yup. >> But we didn't spend it, and then we are, we
didn't spend it in actual. >> Mm-hm. >> Yeah. >> [inaudible] >> [inaudible] >>
[inaudible] Leftover dollars from admissions or records. I'll send Curtis.
So we use that money in 10/11. >> And so that's why it was reduced. And [inaudible]
that money is expended so it's no longer available for that. >> Okay. There you go.
>> That's why it's increased [inaudible] $8,000. >> Okay. >> With regards to the
[inaudible] reception, there again there was leftover dollars from an account. We
used it there. This year we expect it to be here. So we went back to the former
ledger amount. >> Thank you. >> That we had this year. >> I thought you had the
secret. >> To reducing budgets. [laugh] ... >> You're going to tell us. >> Further
discussion? >> Leftover money, huh? >> He does, he does have [inaudible]. >>
Leftover money. >> To, to being very frugal with how we spend that money. >>
Mm-hm. >> Right. >> And still celebrate the events appropriately. >> Okay. >>
Thank you. >> An ancillary question would be if our program has quadrupled does that
mean we have brighter students? How does that work? >> Obviously. >> We've got
them. Yea it's, it's just interesting. It just shows the change in student culture
is taking place. We're. >> Recognition is very important to them. They show up at
these events, their parents show up, their family show up. >> So it's recognition. >>
But, it's, yeah. >> It isn't that students are suddenly doing better. >> No, it
wasn't ever since you retired, they've also been getting better grades now Peter
they're, but, I think what's happening now, we see it. And Stigs realized that
just going to college is not a given anymore. That they'll get jobs,
[inaudible] to transfer institutions. So our study, it's basis are our library, our
learning resource center. It's packed day and night because students are studying
out more, they realize the bar is raised, and they've got the message. And I think
you'll see. [inaudible] Well the faculty are already hearing reports of the
students that are staying are, you know, putting more time in than they have in the
past because the consequence of not doing so. They finally got the message their
consequence. >> Okay. We have a motion on the floor. Further discussion? Fearing
none, all in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed nay? Abstentions?
Motion is carried. >> Thanks Merle. >> Okay item 4.2 is the 2012-2013 academic
calendar. It does not show a two week spring break and I know that, that was
discussed by our student trustee and that may be considered in the future. One of
the changes. >> Which is that in spring 2013 we'll starting a week later than we
are now and that is because of Chapter Martin of fifteen day and we are following
that. So we are starting spring a week later spring break will be a week later
and we will end a week later. >> Do you have any other questions? >> Okay. Scott
is this. Do you have anything further to add to this? Is there something the senate
wants to look at. >> Is something the senate would like to look at. We have
launched that survey but as I am. - mentioned, there are only 175 respondents,
and we have some 20,000 students, at this school, and there are various different
issues within those 20,000 students. For example, international students, have to
pay for plane tickets and such to go back home during the intercession break, and
when you cut that down, it kind of devalues, how much they're paying for
those tickets, so, in, in favor of that, I, I would - ... >> Be rather conservative
in my approach to [sound] the academic calendar. >> Okay. What I'm asking is
whether we need to take a vote on this today, or whether this is something that
would benefit by added consideration by the student senate? >> [inaudible] but I
sense. >> We do need to take action on it now. It was my understanding that the, the
student senate has raised questions that they would like to consider a, consider in
the development of the following year's budget budget. Stuck on that. [laugh] ...
>> Yeah. >> Calendar. But that we do need to move ahead with this in terms of how
we're gonna progress with. >> Registration, and cataloging everything
for next year. >> Okay. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Then I, I think we need a motion
to approve. >> I'll move. >> Lisa mo, moves. Second? >> Second. >> Party
seconds. Discussion? Further discussion? Scott could you clarify? Does that work
for you, to? >> Yes. >> Consider for the following year. >> As there's an urgency
to this matter, and we only have had 175 respondents, I think… >> The student
center will continue, with promoting that survey, to see if we can yield, more data
from that. And then apply it to the future, as you suggested. But, for now, I
think this is sufficient. >> Okay. >> We appreciate the input, so. >> Yeah. >>
Yeah, really do. All in favor, say aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed, nay? >> Abstentions.
Motion is carried. >> Thank you very much. >> Okay we move to item six, definitely
skipping item five which has the word none at the end of it. Joe Salavan in business
services. >> We have to leap forward and I only have the business consent items
before you today. Item 6.1 ... >> Is there a motion to approve item six point one. >>
Move to approve. >> Second. >> Second. >> Discussion. Okay. >> I sense none. All in
favor say I. >> I. >> Oppose, nay? Motion is carried. >> Thank you very much. >>
You're welcome. >> Thank you. >> I think the next item. >> Is adjournment. >> It's
adjournment. >> Is adjournment. [laugh] ... >> [inaudible] >> So moved. We move to
adjournment [inaudible]. >> Moved to adjourn. Is there a second? >> Second. >>
Second. >> All in favor say I. >> I. >> Almost made it to six o’clock. >> That
wasn't unanimous, was it? >> Yes it was. >> Aye, aye, aye, aye. >> Yes it was. >>
Okay. >> Now everybody's leaving. >> Thanks you. Thanks everybody. [cough] ...
>> Thank you. Thanks, Peter. [sound].