Part 3 - When Life Goes Dark - Dr. Richard Winter - Host, Dr. Freda Crews


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>THANKS FOR JOINING US ON TIME FOR HOPE A FAITH BASED MENTAL
HEALTH PROGRAM I'M DR. FRIEDA CREWS YOUR HOST AND FOR THE
THIRD WEEK I AM BEING JOINED BY PSYCHOTHERAPIST, COUNSELOR AND
SEMINARY PROFESSOR DR. RICHARD WINTER AS WE CLOSE OUT OUR
DISCUSSION OF HIS BOOK RELATED TO DEPRESSION, A MENTAL HEALTH
DISORDER KNOWN COMMON TO ALL RACES AND CULTURES ACROSS THE
WORLD. AND DR. WINTER HAS BEEN CAREFUL TO PAINT THE DARK SIDE
OF THIS MENTAL HEALTH DISORDER BUT ALSO HAS OFFERED HOPE OF
RECOVERY AND LIVING LIFE IN THE LIGHT INSTEAD OF BEING KEPT
CAPTIVE BY THIS DARK INTRUDER INTO OUR LIVES. HE RELATES THAT
EVEN IN THE SHADOW OF THE VALLEY OF DEATH GOD CAN BRING HEALING
AND DELIVERANCE. STAY WITH US AS WE CLOSE OUT OUR DISCUSSION WITH
THE HOPE THAT AWAITS US HERE AND IN ETERNITY WITH GOD.
>AND DR. WINTER WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR COMING TO TIME FOR HOPE AND
STAYING AS LONG AS YOU HAVE STAYED. YOU HAVEN'T BEEN SITTING
THERE FOR THREE WEEKS OF COURSE I'M SURE OUR VIEWERS KNOW THAT
BUT WE DID PREVAIL UPON YOU TO DO THE THREE SHOWS AND YOU'VE
MISSED YOUR FIRST FLIGHT AND YOU'VE GOT TO GO HOME LATER THAN
YOU HAD PLANNED.
>IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE.
>IT'S GREATLY APPRECIATED. MAY THE LORD BLESS YOU, YOUR
MINISTRY, YOUR TEACHING, YOUR BOOKS AND SO FORTH.
>AS WE CLOSE OUT WE'VE TOUCHED ON THE WHOLE PROBLEM OF
SUFFERING AND GOD ALLOWING IT IN OUR LIVES. BUT YOU ACTUALLY LAY
OUT IN YOUR BOOK 5 REASONS WHY WE SUFFER AND I THINK WE NEED TO
GET IT OUT AND MY VIEWERS KNOW THAT I PUT IT OUT QUITE OFTEN.
GOD WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO SUFFER IF HE DIDN'T HAVE GOOD REASONS.
AND WHEN I HAVE TAUGHT ACROSS THE NATION ON A THEOLOGY OF
SUFFERING I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE MY STUDENTS TO CHANGE THE QUESTION
OF WHY INTO WHAT. NOT WHY IS GOD DOING THIS TO ME BUT WHAT IS GOD
ATTEMPTING TO TEACH ME? WHAT AM I TO LEARN? AND I'VE DONE THAT
WITH MY CLIENTS ACTUALLY IN COUNSELING. I SAY LOOK WHAT IS
IS, IT HAS HAPPENED, NOW WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH IT? AND
YOU KNOW WHAT I ENCOURAGE, DRAIN IT TO DRY. GET EVERYTHING OUT OF
IT. IT'S LIKE TURNING ON THE PAIN AND THE SUFFERING AND
GETTING EVERYTHING OUT OF IT THAT YOU CAN GET. AND YOU CAN DO
THIS WITH DEPRESSION. ACTUALLY WE STARTED OUT WITH THAT WHOLE
IDEA OF TROUBLE TURNING INTO A DOOR OF HOPE. SO I WANT TO END
WITH THAT ALSO.
>YES IT'S SO IMPORTANT AND I TALK OFTEN ABOUT WHAT WE CALL A
BREAKDOWN HOPEFULLY BECOMING A BREAKTHROUGH TO A NEW
PERSPECTIVE ON LIFE. AND CERTAINLY WHEN I WENT THROUGH MY
DARK TIMES THE LORD TAUGHT ME DEEP THINGS ABOUT MY OWN HEART
AND SOME OF THE IDOLATRIES OF MY OWN HEART THAT I NEEDED TO LET
GO OF. BUT I THINK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT REASONS FOR
SUFFERING, WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE DETAILS OF
DEPRESSION AND ANTIDEPRESSANTS AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO GET THE
BIG PICTURE OF THE FACT THAT GOD CREATED A WORLD THAT WAS PERFECT
BUT BECAUSE OF SIN, BECAUSE OF ADAM AND EVE'S DISOBEDIENCE ALL
SORTS OF CATACLYSMIC EFFECTS CAME FROM THAT AND THE
BROKENNESS OF THE RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD AND THE BROKENNESS OF
THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ADAM AND EVE AND MEN AND WOMEN AND
PEOPLE ON THE EARTH AND DISEASE AND THE VULNERABILITY TO
BIOCHEMICAL DISORDERS OF THE BRAIN. ALL OF THIS RESULTS FROM
THE FALL. SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT HAPPEN TO US THAT ARE OF NO
FAULT OF OUR OWN. THAT ONE DAY GOD IS GOING TO HEAL COMPLETELY
AND WE MAY NOT EXPERIENCE COMPLETE HEALING THIS SIDE OF
GLORY. AND SOME THINGS HAPPEN TO US BECAUSE OF OTHER PEOPLE'S
SINS, YOU KNOW MAYBE THE SINS OF OUR PARENTS OR OUR GRANDPARENTS
WITH ABUSE OR CRUELTY OR WHATEVER MAY HAVE HAPPENED. AND
SOME THINGS HAPPEN THROUGH OUR OWN SIN AND SOME THINGS OF
COURSE HAPPEN BECAUSE OF THE DEVIL'S WORK IN OUR LIFE AND THE
EXISTENCE OF DARK FORCES, DEMONIC FORCES IS A REALITY THAT
THE BIBLE DOESN'T GIVE US GREAT DETAIL ABOUT BUT ALL THE WAY
THROUGH GIVES US HINTS THAT YOU NEED TO BE WATCHING OUT BECAUSE
THERE'S WARFARE AND YOU ARE CAUGHT UP IN WARFARE. AND I
THINK WHEN WE ARE DEPRESSED AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE FIND
OURSELVES THINKING SELF-DESTRUCTIVE THOUGHTS THE
DEVIL WAS RIGHT THERE URGING US ON AND WE NEED TO RESIST HIM. SO
THERE IS A SUMMARY AND SOMETIMES GOD ALLOWS THESE THINGS LIKE YOU
SAID TO DISCIPLINE US, TO HELP US TO SEE NEW THINGS.
>WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE EVIL FORCES I THINK WE NEED TO
ENCOURAGE OUR VIEWERS AND I'M SURE YOU ENCOURAGE STUDENTS AND
SO FORTH THAT WE DON'T LISTEN TO THE LIES OF THE DEVIL. THERE IS
A REAL DEVIL AND OF COURSE HE CAN BE REFERRED TO AS THE DEVIL,
THE ACCUSER OF THE BRETHREN. THE SCRIPTURES REFER TO HIM AS THE
ACCUSER OF THE SAINTS SO TO SPEAK, SATAN. AND WHEN WE ARE
DEPRESSED IT'S SO EASY TO GET OBSESSED AND ALLOW THESE
OBSESSIVE THOUGHTS TO COME IN. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT TALK
THERAPY AND WE TALK ABOUT COUNSELING ONE OF THE MOST
POPULAR THERAPIES TODAY AND WAS DISCOVERED BY TWO OUTSTANDING
PSYCHOLOGISTS THAT HAVE USED THE WHOLE IDEA OF A NEW PERSPECTIVE.
THAT WE CAN WIN OVER DEPRESSION BY THE WAY WE THINK. AND AGAIN
OUR THINKING AS WE'VE ALREADY BROUGHT OUT CHANGES THE BRAIN.
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT OF THIS DARKNESS, LEAVE THIS DARK
WORLD THAT YOU'VE WRITTEN ABOUT AND GO INTO THE LIGHT, WE'VE GOT
TO CHANGE OUR THINKING, COGNITIVE BEHAVIORAL THERAPY IS
GENERALLY VERY EFFECTIVE.
>YES WHAT WE CALL CBT SOMETIMES IT'S ABBREVIATED TOO IS VERY
EFFECTIVE IN RENEWING THE MIND AND CHANGING OUR PERSPECTIVE.
>THAT'S VERY SCRIPTURAL AND BIBLICAL AND YOU TALK ABOUT THAT
IN YOUR BOOK ALSO.
>IT'S RECOGNIZING THE LIES THAT WE BELIEVE, THE DISTORTED
THINKING THAT WE HAVE AND VERY OFTEN THAT COMES FROM EARLY
CHILDHOOD RELATIONSHIPS WHERE WE HAVE LEARNED PERHAPS FOR EXAMPLE
THAT YOU KNOW WE'RE ONLY ACCEPTED IF WE GET STRAIGHT A'S,
THE CLASSIC PERFECTIONIST SORT OF THINKING. BUT I THINK IT'S
JUST NOT THINKING IT'S ALSO THAT OUR EMOTIONS NEED TO BE RENEWED
AS WELL AND THAT'S PART OF THE MIND.
>BUT DON'T YOU THINK WE EMOTE ACCORDING TO THE WAY WE THINK OR
DO YOU THINK IT'S GOES BOTH WAYS?
>WELL I THINK THE TWO, IT GOES BOTH WAYS I THINK AND I THINK AS
WE LEARN TO DEAL WITH EMOTIONS OF SADNESS AND LEARNING TO DEAL
WITH GRIEF AND LEARNING TO DEAL WITH ANXIETY AND WITH ANGER AND
SHAME.
>SHAME YOU BRING OUT, A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVE IN SHAME. SHAME OF
WHAT THEY'VE DONE, SHAME OF THE FAMILY THEY COME FROM, SHAME OF
ALL KINDS OF THINGS CAN BRING ABOUT SHAME CAN'T THEY?
>SO A LOT OF THE TALK THERAPY THAT WE DO INVOLVES HELPING
PEOPLE TO FEEL THEIR EMOTIONS BUT ALSO TO THINK ABOUT WHAT
THEY'RE FEELING AND WHY THEY'RE FEELING THOSE THINGS AND TO BE
ABLE TO KNOW WHEN SHAME IS GOOD SHAME, HEALTHY SHAME BECAUSE I
THINK THERE IS SOME HEALTHY SHAME AND WHEN IT IS UNHEALTHY
AND CORROSIVE SHAME AND WHEN ANXIETY IS NORMAL AND HEALTHY
AND GOOD AND WHEN IT'S UNHEALTHY SO THAT A LOT OF PSYCHOTHERAPY
AND COUNSELING IS LEARNING HOW TO DEAL WITH STRONG EMOTIONS
THAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE NOT LEARNED TO DEAL WELL WITH AND
THEN THEY COME OUT IN DEPRESSION OR IN PHOBIAS OR IN PANIC
ATTACKS. SO IT'S DEALING WITH BOTH OUR THINKING AND OUR
FEELING I THINK. AND PART OF COUNSELING IS ALSO GIVING PEOPLE
AN EXPERIENCE OF A RELATIONSHIP WHICH THEY MAY NEVER HAVE HAD.
THEY MAY HAVE ALWAYS GROWN UP SAY WITH A VERY CRITICAL PARENT
AND THEY FINALLY GET IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH A THERAPIST OR
A PASTOR OR A COUNSELOR WHO CAN HELP THEM TO THINK ABOUT THEIR
INNER WORLD AND NOT FEEL CONDEMNED ALL THE TIME. NOT FEEL
THEY'RE NEVER LIVING UP TO SOMEONE'S EXPECTATIONS AND POINT
THEM TO A GOD WHO DOES LOVE THEM UNCONDITIONALLY. WHO DOES OFFER
THEM GRACE AND ACCEPT THEM JUST AS THEY ARE WITH ALL THEIR
BROKENNESS AND SINFULNESS AND WANTS TO HEAL THEM AND BRING
THEM INTO THE LIGHT AND THE HOPE OF THE TRUTH.
>YOU KNOW MANY PEOPLE PERCEIVE GOD AS THEY PERCEIVE THEIR
PARENTS AND WHEN GOD CAN BE REDEFINED AS IT WERE BY HIS WORD
AND BY A CHRISTIAN COUNSELOR AND SAY WELL YOU KNOW HE'S NOT THAT
KIND OF PARENT. HE IS A PARENT BUT HE'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF
PARENT. HE'S LOVING, HE'S KIND, JESUS EVEN SAID THAT WHEN HE
SAID COME UNTO ME ALL YOU WHO ARE WEARY AND HEAVY LADEN AND I
WILL GIVE YOU REST AND MY YOKE IS EASY, MY BURDEN IS LIGHT. HE
SAYS FOR I AM GENTLE AND MANY PEOPLE HAVE A WRONG CONCEPT OF
GOD. THEY DON'T THINK OF HIM AS GENTLE, LOVING, FORGIVING AND SO
FORTH. THAT WITHIN ITSELF, THAT TRUTH, THAT TRUTH CAN HELP
DELIVER THEM FROM A WORLD OF DARKNESS INTO A WORLD OF LIGHT.
>AND I THINK NOT ONLY THE TRUTH, IN OTHER WORDS UNDERSTANDING IT
BUT ALSO THE EXPERIENCE OF BEING IN A RELATIONSHIP. NOWADAYS
THERAPISTS OFTEN TALK ABOUT A CORRECTIVE EMOTIONAL EXPERIENCE
OF BEING IN A NEW RELATIONSHIP THAT SHOWS YOU, THAT
DEMONSTRATES SOMETHING OF THE CHARACTER OF GOD TO YOU, THAT
GOD DELIGHTS IN YOU. AND I TEACH MY STUDENTS THERE'S A SENSE IN
WHICH WE NEED TO DELIGHT IN EVERYONE THAT WE MEET AND
RECOGNIZE THE DIGNITY IN THEM AS WELL AS EXPOSING THE DEPRAVITY,
THE BROKENNESS, THE SINFULNESS. BUT TO RECOGNIZE THE BEAUTY OF
THE IMAGE OF GOD IN THEM AND TO HELP THEM TO LIVE OUT IN THAT.
>YES SO THAT THEY GET A BETTER SELF-ESTEEM. A LOW SELF-ESTEEM
CAN LEAD TO DEPRESSION BECAUSE AS I MENTIONED FROM READING ONE
OF THE PRAYER REQUESTS ATTEMPTING TO PLEASE EVERYBODY,
THAT SAYS I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M MEASURING UP UNLESS I'M PLEASING
AND THAT CAN WEAR ONE OUT AND EVENTUALLY COULD PUT THEM INTO A
STATE. BECAUSE THEY CAN'T PLEASE EVERYBODY AND WHEN THEY CAN'T
THEY COULD BECOME VERY DEPRESSED ABOUT IT, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO,
AS A CHILD OF GOD THEY DON'T HAVE TO PLEASE EVERYBODY.
>THAT'S VERY LIBERATING AND FREEING, YES.
>TO DO THAT SO MAN WE COULD PREACH A LITTLE BIT HERE
COULDN'T WE? AND THEN WHEN WE THINK OF RECOVERY, RECOVERY FROM
DEPRESSION, ACTUALLY I LIKE THE WORD TRANSFORMATION. AS WE MOVE
OUT OF THE DARKNESS INTO THE LIGHT WE WILL NOT BE THE SAME. I
HAVE ALWAYS TAUGHT WHEN WE ENTER A CRISIS WE'RE NEVER THE SAME
WHEN WE COME OUT OF A CRISIS AS WE WERE WHEN WE GO IN TO A
CRISIS. AND OUR GOAL SHOULD BE TO BE TRANSFORMED BY THAT
CRISIS. LET IT BE A DOOR, LET THE TROUBLE BECOME A DOOR OF
HOPE THAT WE ENTER A NEW NORMAL, A NEW WORLD. YOU KNOW I THINK OF
PSALM 23, GREEN PASTURES WHERE THE LORD LEADS US. WELL GREEN
PASTURES ARE OPEN AND FREE AND SO FORTH AND THEN THE STILL
WATERS AND SO FORTH. SO WHEN WE THINK OF LEAVING, OF RECOVERY
LET'S ALSO THINK IN TERMS OF BEING TRANSFORMED IN THE
PROCESS. AND THEY'RE TELLING ME IT'S TIME FOR A BREAK. LET'S
PICK UP RIGHT THERE WHEN WE COME BACK WITH RECOVERY AND
TRANSFORMATION, HOW ABOUT THAT? AND WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK.
>EVERYONE HAS THE BLUES FROM TIME TO TIME. WEATHER CHANGES,
FOOD, ILLNESS, LONELINESS, DISAPPOINTMENT AND EVERYDAY
STRESS CAN CAUSE US TO FEEL SAD FOR A FEW HOURS AND EVEN A FEW
DAYS. THIS COMES WITH OUR HUMANNESS. BUT WHEN THE SADNESS
BEGINS TO DEEPEN AND LASTS SEVERAL WEEKS WITHOUT RELIEF,
WHEN THE FUTURE BEGINS TO LOOK BLEAK, WHEN PLEASURE IN
ACTIVITIES ONCE ENJOYED IS GONE, AND A SENSE OF HOPELESSNESS AND
EVEN DESPAIR BEGINS TO TAKE CONTROL OF OUR THOUGHTS, IT IS
TIME TO LOOK FOR HELP. IN REALITY, HELP SHOULD BE SOUGHT
BEFORE DEPRESSION REACHES THIS POINT, BUT ALL TOO OFTEN THE
SYMPTOMS ARE IGNORED, DENIED AND SOMETIMES CONVERTED INTO
PHYSIOLOGICAL SYMPTOMS OR ILLNESSES. A SERIOUS OR CLINICAL
DEPRESSION CAN HAVE A GRADUAL OR SUDDEN ONSET. DEPRESSION CAN BE
TRACED DIRECTLY TO BIOCHEMICAL DEFICIENCIES AND ACTIVITIES
WITHIN THE BRAIN, OR INDIRECTLY TO PROLONGED STRESS, UNRESOLVED
RELATIONSHIP CONFLICT, UNRELENTING EMOTIONAL ABUSE,
CHILDHOOD ABUSE, SIGNIFICANT LOSS AND GRIEF, PHYSICAL
CONDITIONS OR ILLNESS, SPIRITUAL DEFICIENCIES AND OTHER CAUSES.
WHATEVER THE CAUSE, ITS PRIMARY SYMPTOM IS HOPELESSNESS.
DEPRESSION CLOUDS OUR PERSPECTIVE, DISTORTS OUR
THINKING, AND CONVINCES US WE ARE TO BE PITIED BEYOND ALL
OTHERS. THE PATIENTS I HAVE TREATED APPEAR TO BE IN A LONG,
NARROW AND DARK TUNNEL WITH NO LIGHT SHINING THROUGH. THROUGH
THE CENTURIES MEN AND WOMEN HAVE SUFFERED FROM THIS MYSTERIOUS
AND FREQUENTLY IMMOBILIZING DISORDER, AND THE REMEDIES AND
INTERVENTIONS WERE FEW AND USUALLY INEFFECTIVE BEFORE THE
DISCOVERY OF THE MANY SUCCESSFUL MEDICATIONS AND OTHER MEDICAL
TREATMENTS AVAILABLE TODAY. BUT THESE ALONE ARE NOT A CURE ALL
FOR THIS PAINFUL MALADY. SUCCESSFUL TREATMENT SHOULD
INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING: (1) A COMPETENT PHYSICIAN TO DIAGNOSE
AND PRESCRIBE NEEDED AND APPROPRIATE MEDICATION FOR EACH
INDIVIDUAL PATIENT, AND SOMETIMES THIS REQUIRES A
PROCESS OF TRIAL AND ERROR. (2) A TRAINED AND EMPATHIC COUNSELOR
WHO WILL LISTEN ATTENTIVELY AS YOU DESCRIBE YOUR FEELINGS OF
HOPELESSNESS AND HELPLESSNESS AND FOCUS ON HELPING YOU REPLACE
YOUR NEGATIVE THOUGHT PATTERNS WITH THE BELIEF THERE IS HOPE OF
RECOVERY, WHICH IN TURN CAN SET INTO MOTION POSITIVE EMOTIONAL
CHANGES. (3) A NUTRITIOUS DIET. (4) EXERCISE APPROVED BY YOUR
PHYSICIAN. (5) AN UNDERSTANDING SUPPORT GROUP. (6) SPIRITUAL
HELP AND DIRECTION. A DEPRESSED PSALMIST GROANED, "WHY ARE YOU
DOWNCAST, O MY SOUL?" AND THEN EXHORTED FELLOW DEPRESSED
MORTALS TO "PUT YOUR HOPE IN GOD..." PSA 42:11
>WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE YOUR JOINING US ON TIME FOR HOPE.
WE'RE TALKING WITH DR. RICHARD WINTER ABOUT HIS BOOK WHEN LIFE
GOES DARK. AND WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT RECOVERY AND
TRANSFORMATION AND YOU SAID SOME GOOD THINGS OFF CAMERA THAT I
HOPE WE CAN GET GOING THAT YOU WILL REMEMBER. BUT RECOVERY,
WHEN WE THINK OF GRIEF I KNOW ALAN WOLFAILED, I DON'T KNOW IF
YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH HIS WORK, HE'S ONE OF OUR GURUS ON GRIEF.
HE DOES A GREAT JOB THAT WE HAVE TO ADJUST TO A NEW NORMAL. WE
MOVE FROM AN OLD NORMAL TO A NEW NORMAL WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH
THE LOSS OF A SIGNIFICANT PERSON IN OUR LIVES. THE SAME IS GOING
TO BE TRUE GOING OUT OF THE DARKNESS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT OF DEPRESSION INTO LIGHT, INTO BEING A TRANSFORMED PERSON,
ALLOWING THIS TROUBLE, THIS SUFFERING TO BE A DOOR OF HOPE.
AND I LIKE TO THINK IN TERMS OF MOVING INTO THOSE GREEN PASTURES
THAT OUR GREAT SHEPHERD LEADS US BY. WHEN YOU THINK OF GREEN
PASTURES, I WAS REARED IN THE COUNTRY SO I KIND OF KNOW ABOUT
GREEN PASTURES AND THE OPENNESS AND THE BEAUTY OF THOSE GREEN
PASTURES AND THE FREEDOM AND SO FORTH. THERE HAS TO BE AN
ADJUSTMENT TO A NEW REALITY. TO GET RID OF OUR MYTHS AND FIND
OUT WHAT IS TRUTH AND WHAT IS TRUE.
>OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE MYTHS IN TERMS OF THE THINGS WE'VE
BELIEVED ABOUT OUR PAST OR ABOUT WHO WE ARE AS PEOPLE OR HOW GOD
SEES US. THERE ARE ALSO MYTHS I THINK THAT ARE UNHELPFUL IN THE
CHRISTIAN WORLD THAT PROMISE THAT IF YOU'RE A GOOD CHRISTIAN
THAT YOU WON'T SUFFER MUCH AND YOU WON'T HAVE MUCH TROUBLE. AND
OF COURSE THAT'S NOT TRUE AND SO PEOPLE MAY HAVE TO GIVE UP THEIR
HOPE OF HAVING HEAVEN NOW. YOU KNOW THE GREEN PASTURES YOU
DESCRIBED ARE SOMETHING THAT ARE BOTH PARTIALLY TRUE NOW BUT ALSO
IN THE FUTURE. A LOT OF WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO COME TO TERMS
WITH I THINK IN LIFE IS THAT LIFE IS TOUGH AND I SAY TO MY
STUDENTS OFTEN THAT WHEN YOU'RE COUNSELING PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
THROUGH A LOT OF HARD THINGS IN LIFE, MAYBE IN THEIR CHILDHOOD
AND MAYBE IN THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED TO THEM IN THEIR
MARRIAGES, YOU HAVE TO LEARN TO GROAN WELL. JUST AS PAUL TALKS
IN ROMANS ABOUT GROANING WITH THE WHOLE CREATION AS WE WAIT
FOR THE DAY WHEN OUR FULL REDEMPTION WILL COME.
>AS HE DID WITH HIS THORN IN THE FLESH.
>AS HE DID TOO, THAT'S RIGHT. WE GROAN WITH PEOPLE BECAUSE LIFE
IS TOUGH AND I THINK THAT'S OUR NEW PERSPECTIVE AS PEOPLE COME
THROUGH DEPRESSION OFTEN THEY HAVE A MORE REALISTIC VIEW OF
SUFFERING AND THE WAY GOD WORKS IN IT AND THAT LIFE IS NOT
ALWAYS GOING TO BE EASY.
>THAT THERE IS A NEW REALITY, YES AND ALSO A NEW NORMAL AND
SOMETIMES IT REQUIRES, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THERAPY
WHICH WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND WITH A GOOD THERAPIST, TALK THERAPY.
BUT THEN THERE IS SELF-TALK WHICH DR. DAVID STOOP CAME OUT
WITH MANY YEARS AGO. IN CHANGING OUR PERSPECTIVE IT CAN REQUIRE
THAT WE DO A LOT OF SELF-TALK, TELLING OURSELVES THE NEW
REALITY RATHER THAN ALLOWING THE MYTHS TO CONTINUE.
>AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU LEARN IN COUNSELING. YOU LEARN
WAYS OF TALKING TO YOURSELF SO THAT YOU'RE NOT DEPENDENT ON
SOMEONE ELSE ON A COUNSELOR ALL THE TIME. BUT WHEN YOU WAKE UP
IN THE MORNING AND YOU FEEL REALLY LOW OR YOU FEEL REALLY
ANGRY THEN YOU BEGIN TO ASK YOURSELF WHY AM I SO ANGRY?
WHERE ARE MY THOUGHTS TAKING ME AND YOU LEARN HOW TO DEAL WITH
SHAME AND HOW TO DEAL WITH GUILT AND ANXIETY.
>AND ANGER WHICH YOU, I THINK YOU HAD A WHOLE CHAPTER IN YOUR
BOOK ON ANGER AND AGGRESSION.
>ON ANGER AND FORGIVENESS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T
TOUCHED ON, LACK OF FORGIVENESS IS VERY OFTEN A DEEP CAUSE OF
DEPRESSION.
>A LACK OF FORGIVENESS AND ANGER AND UNFORGIVENESS GO TOGETHER. I
ALWAYS SEE THEM AS GOING HAND IN GLOVE TOGETHER. SO THAT MIGHT BE
SOMETHING THAT THE THERAPIST.
>VERY OFTEN IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH.
>IT HAS TO BE DEALT WITH. SO WHEN WE THINK OF RECOVERY SOME
OF THE THINGS THAT YOU RECOMMEND WE'VE SAID, EXERCISE. EXERCISE
IS GOOD FOR MOST ANYTHING.
>AND FISH OIL IS GOOD FOR MOST ANYTHING.
>YES, REALLY AND THE BREATHING AND RELAXATION.
>YES THAT'S GOOD ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE ANXIOUS THEY
CAN LEARN SIMPLE TECHNIQUES OF THAT.
>SO THEY WILL HAVE TO FIND SOMEONE TO LEAD THEM IN THAT AND
LEARN HOW TO DO IT.
>THERE ARE PLACES ONLINE THAT I RECOMMEND IN MY BOOK WHERE THEY
CAN FIND THAT.
>YES OKAY GREAT. THEN HOW GOD IS USING THIS TO SHAPE THEIR LIVES.
EMBRACING OUR PAIN, I'VE TAUGHT THAT. AND THEN CHURCH
INVOLVEMENT, MUSIC CAN BE A WAY OF FINDING RELAXATION AND BE
USED IN OUR RELAXATION. I WANT TO READ A WHOLE PARAGRAPH IN
GOING OUT ON THIS SUBJECT THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR BOOK AND I
THINK IT SUMS IT UP REALLY WELL. AS WE DAILY, HOURLY, MINUTE BY
MINUTE AFFIRM GOD'S TRUTH ABOUT OURSELVES AND OUR SITUATIONS,
OUR EMOTIONS WILL BECOME TRULY SENSITIVE AND APPROPRIATE UNLESS
THE DOMINATING AND CONTROLLING FACTORS IN OUR LIVES. MIND AND
EMOTIONS WILL WORK TOGETHER IN HARMONY RATHER THAN AT ODDS WITH
EACH OTHER MOVING TOWARDS FULL INTEGRATION, AND WE'VE TALKED
ABOUT IT, BRAIN, BODY, MIND AND HEART. OUR CONFIDENCE IS IN THE
FACT THAT WHEN WE ARE WITH HIM, WHEN WE GO TO BE WITH THE LORD
FACE TO FACE THIS INTEGRATION AND HEALING WILL BE COMPLETE.
WILL BE COMPLETE, THAT'S YOUR HOPE, THAT'S MY HOPE. YOU'VE
DONE A WONDERFUL JOB OF PUTTING THAT AND MAKING SURE THAT THE
SECULARISTS AND THEIR KNOWLEDGE CAN BE USED OF GOD. ALL TRUTH
COMES FROM GOD AND YOU TAKE THAT UP IN YOUR BOOK IN SUCH A GREAT
WAY. AND THE BIBLE THEN OF COURSE, THE BIBLICAL WISDOM OF
THE SCRIPTURES AND THE PROMISES OF GOD. AND THERE'S NOT REALLY,
THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORK AGAINST EACH OTHER, THEY CAN WORK
TOGETHER, ALL OF IT, THE COUNSELING, THE SCRIPTURES, THE
SECULARISTS AND THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT ARE
PULLING IT TOGETHER IN A GREAT BOOK.
>WELL I HOPE IT CAN BE HELPFUL FOR MANY PEOPLE.
>THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>THANK YOU IT'S VERY GOOD TO BE WITH YOU.
>THANK YOU FOR COMING AND THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH US AS I'VE
ALREADY NOTED AND I DO HAVE A PRAYER REQUEST TO SHARE WITH YOU
AS WE GO OUT. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T SHARED YOUR PRAYER REQUESTS WITH
US WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO AND WE TAKE UP EACH AND EVERY
ONE OF THEM HERE AT TIME FOR HOPE.
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>WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY DONE AND ARE VERY HAPPY TO SHARE YOUR
PROBLEMS WITH YOU AND WE HOPE THAT GOD IS ALREADY INTERVENING.
HE PROMISES TO HEAR OUR PRAYERS. AND THEN FINALLY.
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>AND YOU KNOW I DO THAT ALSO AND THIS IS AN ENCOURAGING NOTE AND
THANK YOU FOR IT. AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU JOIN US AGAIN NEXT WEEK
ON TIME FOR HOPE. WE WON'T BE DEALING WITH DEPRESSION NEXT
WEEK.
>TO ORDER OUR RESOURCES, FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS ON YOUR SCREEN.