Newsmakers 10/21/2012: Gordon Fox vs. Mark Binder debate

OUR SERIES OF GENERAL
ASSEMBLY DEBATES CONTINUES
THIS WEEK ON "NEWSMAKERS."
ON NOVEMBERth, VOTERS ON
THE EAST SIDE OF PROVIDENCE
WILL BE MAKING A CHOICE THAT
WOULD HAVE STATEWIDE
REPERCUSSIONS.
WILL THEY LET HOUSE SPEAKER,
GORDON FOX, KEEP HIS SEAT,
OR GO IN A NEW DIRECTION
WITH INDEPENDENT MARK
BINDER.
FOX, A DEMOCRAT, HAS BEEN A
STATE REP SOMEBODITIVE FOR
YEARS, A LAWYER, HE BECAME
SPEAK ARE IN 2010.
BINNER IS AN YOU A THIS AND
RAN UNSUCCESSFUL BID AGAINST
PATRICK KEN DIN 2004.
FOX, BINDER,
HEAD-TO-HEAD, ON THIS WEEK'S
"NEWSMAKERS."
GOOD MORNING.
WELL TO "NEWSMAKERS."
I'M TIM WHITE.
WILL BE MODERATING THIS
DEBATE AND ANSWER ASKING
QUESTIONS ALONG WITH OUR
PANEL, TED NESI AND IAN
DONIS.
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
THANK YOU BOTH.
YOU ARE WELCOME, TIM.
YOU ARE WELCOME.
WE'LL BEGIN, FIRST, WITH
OPENING QUESTION, A SIMPLE
ONE.
HE WILL GIVE YOU EACH 30
SECONDS TO RESPOND.
WE'LL START WITH IN CUM BEN,
MR. POX, WHY SHOULD VOTERS
REACT ELECT YOU?
THANK YOU, TIM.
IT APPRECIATE CHANNEL 12 AND
"NEWSMAKERS" PUTTING ON THIS
FORUM.
I THINK THE VOTERS KNOW ME.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE VOTE
OF SEATS.
IT IS NOT MY SEAT.
IT IS YOUR SEAT TO THE
VOTERS OF DISTRICT FOR YOU.
I BELIEVE EVERY TWO YEARS I
HAVE TO REAPPLY FOR THE
JOB.
I BELIEVE IN MY RECORD OF
PROVIDING TO TACKLE REAL
PROBLEMYON ARE LIFE, I
DESERVE TO BE CLOSELY LOOKED
AT AND I BELIEVE I DESERVE
YOUR VOTE FOR REELECTION TO
THIS SEAT.
WHETHER IT IS DEALING WITH
PENSION REFORM, OPENING THIS
THE TESTIMONY, EDUCATION
FORMULA, TAKING CARE OF OUR
SCHOOL, REOPENING.
YOUR 30 SECONDS IS UP.
WE'LL DISCUSS A LOT OF THOSE
ISSUES COMING UP.
MR. BINDER, THE SAME
QUESTION TO YOU.
WHY SHOULD VOTERS ELECT YOU
AS STATE REPRESENTATIVES?
I THINK THE VOTERS SHOULD
MARK THE BALLOTS OF MARK
BOUNDER BECAUSE I AM THE
BEST CANDIDATE FOR THE JOB.
GORDON FOX HAS BEEN THERE
FOR 20 YEARS.
HE IS RESPONSE FOR THE 38
STUDIOS DISASTER.
HE SAYS HE RACE THE
DISTRICT.
HE SAYS HE REPRESENTS OUR
VALUES M.
HOW DOES 38 STUDIOS SERVE
THE DISTRICT?
HOW DOES IT BENEFIT OUR
DISTRICT OR SERVE OUR
VALUES?
I THINK I AM THE BESTDATE
FOR THE JOB.
I ASK PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR
ME.
AGAIN.
ALL ISSUE ON THE SHEETS
TODAY TO GET INTO.
WE'LL TART FIRST WITH SOME
THE PLAY TO PAY ALLEGATIONS,
MR. BOUNDER, YOU BROUGHT UP
THIS WEEK.
YOU HELD A NEWS CONFERENCE
ON THURSDAY ACCUSING SPEAKER
FOC 6 ENGAGE IN THE PAY TO
PLAY POLITICS.
LISTED A FEW EXAMPLES OF THE
SPEAKER OR THE PACK
ACCEPTING POLITICAL
DONATIONS FROM GROUPS.
CAN YOU BACK UP YOUR CHARGES
OF QUID PROQUO WITH EVIDENCE
OR IS YOUR ISSUE HERE ABOUT
HOW THIS COUNTRY'S CAMPAIGN
FINANCE SYSTEM WORKS?
I THINK THAT THE CAMPAIGN
FINANCE SYSTEM IS NOT
WORKING VERY WELL.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PUBLIC
RECORDS, THE FINANCE
RECORDS, YOU CAN SEE THAT
GORDON FOX TOO MONEY FROM
THE AUTO BODY TRI BEFORE HE
VOTED ON BILL THAT WOULD
HAVE BENEFITED THEM.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE
GOVERNOR VETOED.
HE TOOK MONEY FROM THE CAR
WASH INDUSTRY AFTER PLUCKING
OUT OF THE TAX CODE, TAX ON
CAR WASHES AND HE TOOK MONEY
FROM GTECH AND THE GAMBLING
INTERESTS WHILE WORKING ON
THE LEGISLATION ON THE VOTE,
THE PROPOSITION VOTE THAT IS
ON THE BALLOT.
I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU
KNOW, HE HAS HAD A HISTORY
OF TAKING MONEY FROM GTECH
AND WITH THE LAW OFFICE IN
THE PAST AND PAID THE
LARGEST IN THE HISTORY OF
RHODE ISLAND.
IT SEEMS TO BE TO BE SIMILAR
USE OF MONEY GOING IN AND
VOTES GOING OUT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WHY
WOULDN'T A BUSINESS DONATE
TO SOMEONE AFTER A VOTE SAY
FOR ONE OF THE TEXT AMPLES?
IF THEY, IF THEY LIKE HOW A
LEGISLATURE TREATED THEM UP
IN SMITH HILL.
WHY WOULDN'T THEY DONATE TO
KEEP THEM IN IS?
WHY THAT IS WRONG?
I THINK IT DOESN'T
BENEFIT OUR TAXPAYERS AND I
DON'T THINK IT BENEFITS THE
VOTERS WHEN THE PEOPLE WHO
BENEFIT FROM A PARTICULAR
BILL CONTRIBUTE TO POLLS'
CAMPAIGN THAT.
GIVES THEM A VOICE IN HOW
THE POLITICIAN IS GOING
RUN.
SO IT SEEMS, IT SEEMS OFF
THE WALL BUT ORIGINAL
QUESTION WAS, DO YOU HAVE
HARD EVIDENCE OF QUID
PROQUO.
THEY GAVE THE SPEAKER
MONEY.
HE VOTED THIS WAY.
CAN YOU SAY THAT HAPPENED?
HE TOOK MONEY BEFORE
VOTING.
HE TOOK MONEY AFTER VOTING.
HE TOOK MONEY WHILE WORKING
ON LEGISLATION.
I THINK THAT VOTERS CAN MAKE
THEIR OWN DECISION.
I AM IN THE A LAWYER OR A
POLITICIAN.
CAN YOU PROVE THAT THEY
BOUGHT THEIR VOTE FROM
SPEAKER M CAN I PROVE THAT
SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING?
I THINK THAT IS UP TO THE
SPEAKER TO SAY SOMETHING.
WELL, WHY DON'T WE ASK
THE SPEAKER ON THIS.
YOU HAVE A HEALTHY WAR CHEST
HERE ESPECIALLY RELIVE TO
YOUR CHALLENGER.
WHY NOT JUST TURN AWAY THE
DONATIONS WHEN YOU KNOW THAT
THIS KIND OF SCRUTINY OR
THIS KIND OF RACISM IS GOING
COME YOUR WAY?
IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM.
I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IN
TERMS OF THIS, MAKING THE
RECKLESS ALLEGATION DOES NOT
DO ANYTHING FOR THE PUBLIC
ACROSS POSITIONS.
I GUESS THAT IS WHAT YOU DO
WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE
SOLUTIONS TO OFFER.
YOU SNARE PEOPLE.
IT FOLLOW THE LAW.
THOSE REPORTS THAT YOU USE
CAME DIRECTLY FROM
INFORMATION REPORTED FROM
ME.
THE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION.
CAMPAIGN FINANCE IS A FACT
OF LIFE.
THE ATTEMPT TO REFORM IT.
YOU NEED TO MOVE FORWARD IN
TRYING TO CLEAN IT UP TO
TAKE AWAY ANY PERCEPTIONS
BUT A FACT OF LIFE.
I I FOLLOW THE LAW.
I HAVE NEVER, NEVER, NEVER
MADE ANY VOTE CONTINGENT ON
ANYBODY.
NEVER HAVE DONE IT.
TO SIT HERE AND THROW THIS
MUD AGAINST THE WALL, AND
LET ME EXPLAIN WHY IT DIDN'T
OCCUR.
IT IS RECKLESS.
BUT IN YOUR POSITION, AS
SPEAKER, THERE ARE THINGS
THAT CIEWZ DO TO CHANGE HOW
TO STUFF WORKS, FOR IN TANS,
WOULD YOU FAVOR A RULE
PROHIBITING FUN RAZORS IN
THE LAST MONTH OF EMOTION WE
HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH IN
THAT.
YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS
NOT SOME SORT OF SILL BOMBIC
IN TERMS OF DOING IT.
JUST MOVE IT TO OTHER TIME.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE NED TO
TALK ABOUT IS ONE OF THOSE
CASUALTIES OF BAD ECONOMICS
AND SHOULD GET SOME SORT OF
PUBLIC FINANCING.
OTHER PEOPLE IN REFORM
GOVERNMENT HAVE TALKED ABOUT
THIS FOR YEARS AND THERE WAS
SOME MOVEMENT WE WERE
ACTUALLY TRYING TO MOVE TO
THE BETTER WAY OF DOING
FINANCE, PUBLIC FINANCE AND
PUBLIC FINANCING.
WELL, THINK IT IS SOMETHING
THAT, IT HAS BEEN APLAYED TO
THE STATEWIDE CANDIDATES.
I THINK IT SOMETHING THAT
SHOULDN'T RELEVANT FOR
STATEWIDE CANDIDATES
BECAUSE -- I HATE
FUND-RAISING.
IT IT IS A FACT OF LIFE.
I HATE IT.
BUT IT IS NECESSARY.
AS LISTENING AS YOU LEGALLY
DO THOSE AND YOU KNOW YOU
ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING
WRONG.
I THINK ITS APPROPRIATE IN
OUR RECOVERY SYSTEM.
ECONOMY, THE ECONOMY, THE
ECONOMICS HAVE PREVENTED THE
FURTHER DISCUSSION OF PUBLIC
FINANCE OF CAMPAIGN AND
HOPING WITH A BETTER ECONOMY
AS WE SEE WE ARE COMING OUT
OF THE RECESSION I THINK IT
IS RELEVANT.
ALL RIGHT.
AS LITTLE BIT LONGER IN THAT
SEX.
IS THERE ANSWERNG YOU WANT
TO RESPOND TO INTO I THINK
THAT THE COST OF THE DEALS
THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AS A
RESULT OF THESE
CONTRIBUTIONS IS GREATER
THAN THE BENEFIT TO THE
TAXPAYERS.
IN A THINK THAT BLAMING THE
ECONOMY FOR NOT PUTTING
FORWARD LEGISLATION TO
CHANGE IT, YOU KNOW, THE
SPEAKER HAS, AS SPEAKER.
HE HAS THE POWER TO PRNG THE
BILLS OUT.
I DOP UNDERSTAND WHY THAT
POWER HAS NOT BEEN USED TO
CHANGE THESE THINGS.
WOULD YOU SUPPORT?
SURE.
OKAY, TED.
WHEN YOU BECAME SPEAKER.
THE RATE WAS 11.8%.
IT IS STILL 10.5%.
A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN A
PERCENTAGE POINT BETTER.
DOESN'T THAT MAN THE
POLICIES YOU PUT UNPLACE
WORKING WITH THE GOVERNOR
AND THE SENATE PRESIDENT ARE
MUCH TOO?
WELL, I PRESUME THE
PORTION THAT A STATE IN OF
ITSELF CAN CONTROL THE
DYNAMIC.
YOU KNOW, WE ALL KNOW, WITH
THIS ECONOMY CHANGED.
NOT ONLY A NATIONAL ECONOMY
BUT SUBJECT TO GLOBAL.
WHEN DID WE THINK THAT
FINANCIAL CRISIS IN GREECE
WOULD AFFECT BUSINESS IN
RHODE ISLAND ACROSS THE
CONNERY NY THINK WE HAVE
TAKEN STEPS.
WE HELP BY LEARNING AND IN
TERMS OF TALKING ABOUT
BETTER EDUCATION.
LONG-TERM ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT, IT IS ABOUT
PREPARING THE WORK FORCE,
SECOND TO NONE.
RHODE ISLAND HAS DISTINCTED
A STRAGS.
WE HAVE LIABILITIES AS
WELL.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE
TO.
A LOT OF GRANS TO BRING
COMPANIES IN.
WE HAVE TO DO IT.
A LOT OF IS IS EMBEDDED.
WE HAVE FEELINGS AND DEAL
WITH THAT IN TERMS OF
CUSTOMER ORIENTED TRYING TO
TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS
REGULATION.
WE PUT TOGETHER BUSINESS
THAT IS LOOKING AT FIRE CODE
AND MADE CHANGES THERE AND
LOOK AT SPEEDING UP AND
KNOWING HOW IMPORTANT THE,
THE BUILDING TRADES ARE.
THE REPORT, IF I AM ONE
OF THE 60,000 UNEMPLOYED
AROUND US.
HOLDING HERE RIGHT NOW.
THEY HAD A SPECIAL SESSION
ON PENSION.
BUT O ONE OF THE SPECIAL
PENSIONS.
PRACTICALLY SPEAKING WE
ARE IN A LAME-DUCK SESSION.
MEAN INVESTIGATE A FINANCE
COMMITTEE WHICH WILL BE THE
COMMITTEE.
I TALKED TO CHAIRMAN ABOUT
TRYING TO HOLD HEARINGS
RIGHT AFTER THE ELECTION
INTO NOVEMBER INTO DECEMBER
BUT YOU WERE R GOING TO HAVE
A BRAND NEW LEGISLATURE AND
WITH THE CONSTITUTION
PROVIDES FOR SO TO YOU
START.
DO YOU START HEARINGS WITH
PEOPLE THAT MAY NOT BE
REELECTED SO YOU REKINDLE
THE HEARINGS AND START IN
JANUARY AGAIN.
IS ABOUT DOING IT RIGHT.
IT MAY NO BE A SPEEDY
PROCESS BUT YOU WANT TO HAVE
SUCCESSFUL PROCESS.
CHAIRMAN, YOU ARE
CRITICAL OBVIOUSLY.
YOU SUGGESTED NEW THINKING
IS NEEDED ON THE ECONOMY.
FUZZ WERE ELECTED WHAT WOULD
THE TOP PRIORITY FOR
LEGISLATION TO IMPROVE THE
ECONOMY HERE?
MY TOP PRIORITY IS TO
PROVE EDUCATION AND THAT IS
SOMETHING THAT MR. FOX SAYS
HE IS GOING TO DO, BUT THE
ACTION HAS TAKEN OVER THE
LAST FEW YEARS, COMBINING
THE BOARD OF HIGHER
EDUCATION AND THE BOARD OF
DEPGENS IN A LATE NIGHT
FOT.
HE TALKED ABOUT NOT RUSHING
THINGS.
THE PROCESS BY WHICH THIS
GOVERNMENT WORKS DOESN'T
WORK FOR THE STATE AND
DOESN'T WORK FOR THE
TAXPAYERS.
OVER THE TEN YEARS THAT HE
HAS BEEN IN THE LEADERSHIP.
THE BUDGET FOR THE
UNIVERSITY OF RHODE ISLAND
HAS BEEN CUT MORE THAN 30%.
I DON'T SEE THAT BEING A WAY
TO PROVIDE FOR EDUCATED AND
UNFORMED WORK FORCE.
IT IS GOING TO TAKE TIME.
BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT
SOUNDS LIKE A LONG-TERM PROJ
RECK.
60,000 RODE EYE IN HES ARE
UNEMPLOYED NOW.
DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OR
BILLS YOU WOULD PUT FORWARD
YOU WOULD THINK WOULD WORK
FASTER?
I AM A FRESHMAN IN
COMING.
DON'T HAVE THE POLICY THINGS
ON HAND.
MR. FOX HAS EMERGENCIED
TO CALL A VOTE ON SAME-SEX
MARRIAGE LEGISLATION AND THE
NEW SESSION BEGINNING IN
2013.
HE SAYS HOPES THIS WILL
HAPPEN BEFORE THE END OF
JANUARY.
WHILE WHY SOMEONE LOOK YOU
BE BETTER POSITION TO MOVE
FORWARD.
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
LEGISLATION RATHER THAN THE
OPPONENT WHO IS ON THE FIRST
NAME BASS SWISS EVERY OTHER
LAWMAKER ON SMITH HILL.
THE ONLY THING ON THE TABLE
IS SAME-SEX MARRIAGE, THEN,
ABSOLUTELY THE SPEAKER OF
THE HOUSE, WHO EVERTHAT
SPEAKER IS CAN PUT IT
FORWARD.
GORDON FOX HAD TWO YEARS TO
PUT THAT FORWARD AND HE HAS
DECLINED TO DO IT FOR
WHATEVER REASONS HE HAS.
I GUESS IT WAS IMPORTANT
TO ESTABLISH WITH CIVIL
UNIONS.
DO YOU FIND THAT FALL? I.
THERE HAVE BEEN 52
COUPLES END THE LAST TWO
YEARS WHO HAVE GOT AND CIVIL
UNION.
IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE A VERY
GOOD FLOOR.
MR. FOX, WE KNOW THE SENATE
IS THE MAIN HURDLE TO
PASSING SAME-SEX MARRIAGE
LEGISLATION.
S WHAT THE TRAGEDY
FORGETTING PEOPLE LIKE TER
REECE AND SENATE YEW -- ARY
CHAIRMAN TO SUPPORT A
SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BILL.
THE KEY IS TO GET OUT OF THE
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND
IT IS 52 PEOPLE.
OF THOSE 52 PEOPLE.
20 OF WHOM I AM SURE HAVE
CAME TO SEE ME.
ONE COUPLE.
TELLING ME LOOKING ME IN THE
EYE, AND WHAT CAN YOU DO,
GET MARRIED, YOU HAVE THOSE
RIGHTS IMMEDIATELY.
I AM A MAN THAT CAME TO
MAINE ALL TO SAY WE ARE
RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
LET'S COME BACK TO THAT.
THAT IS WHERE THE CIVIL
UNIONS CAME IN.
IT IS -- I PATIENCE ATE
IT.
NOW WE ARE THE RIGHT.
EXCEPT FOR ONE WORD.
THE RIGHTS THERE R THERE.
WE GOT TO FIND SEPARATE.
THE KEY IS TO GET A VOTE OUT
OF THE HOUSE AND APPLY THE
PRESSURE.
OKAY.
ARE YOU PREPARED TO
PERSONALLY LOBBY PEOPLE LIKE
MICHAEL McCAFFREY AND
SENATE PRESIDENT TO SUPPORT
A SAME-SEX MARRIAGE BILL?
I AM.
ABSOLUTELY.
BEFORE I MOVE TON THE
NEXT QUESTION.
YOU LOOKED LOOK YOU HAD
SOMETHING TO SAY.
YEAH.
HE SAID THE FIRST ORDER OF
BUSINESS IS TO MOVE IT OUT
OF THE HOUSE.
HE HAD YEARS TO DO IT.
HE IS RIGHT.
YEAH.
PRACTICALLY SPEAKING IT IS
TO SAY.
THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
GIVE THE RIGHTS NOW OR THE
VOTE.
IT WASN'T EITHER OR
BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE NEVER
GOTTEN OUT OF THE NATE IF I
HAD, WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT
BUILDING COALITION AND YOU
FOLKS KNOW THAT.
KEEPING VOTES TOGETHER.
THAT IS LEADERSHIP.
THE COALITION WOULD FALL
APART.
SO I HAD TO MAKE A
DETERMINATION, DOW SACRIFICE
WHAT IS FAIR AND EQUAL TO
POLITICS OR DOW PROVIDE
LEADERSHIP TO GET THE RIGHTS
NOW?
AND I DOES THIS GET THE
RIGHTS NOW.
MR. PI NUMB BEFORE I MOVE
ON.
I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME
EVERYONE AT HOME KNOWS WHERE
YOU STAND ON TISSUE.
YOU ARE FOR SAME-SEX
MARRIAGE.
AM FOR AND WILL DEMAND A
VOTE AS SEASON AS WE GET
IN.
LET'S KEEP IT WITH YOU.
MR. BINNER, WOULD YOU THINK
THAT IF ANYONE WAS GOING
THROW THE SPEAKER OF THE
HOUSE UNDER THE BUS OVER
SHALL ISSUE OF 38 STUDIOS
KITE BE FORMER REPUBLICAN
GOVERNOR, BUT HE SAID TO ME
IN THE STUDIO "I DON'T BLAME
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY NOT AT
ALL.
THEIR JOB IS TO PASS LAWS.
THEY PASSED A LAW CREATING A
GONE GUARANTEE PROGRAM.
IT WAS THE EDC'S
RESPONSIBILITY TO OVERSEAS
THAT IF HE IS NOT BLAMING
SPEAKER FOX FOR WHAT
HAPPENED WHY SHOULD YOU.
I THINK THE MARTIVE OF
THE EVOLUTION OF 38 STUDIOS
IS CLEAR.
MICHAEL, GORDON FOX, CURT
SCHILLING MEET AND THIS
THING STARTS TO COME
TOGETHER.
AND IT -- THERE IS A BILL
FROM THE EDC THAT HAS BEEN
LANGUAGING FOR YEARS AND
PLUCKED OUT OF THE COMMITTEE
AIN'T IS 75 MILLION ADDED TO
IT AND IT IS BROUGHT BEFORE
THE LEGISLATURE IN A LATE
NIGHT LAST MINUTE VOTE.
THE LEGISLATURES ALSO SAY
THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS IN
IT.
SPEAKER FOX SAYS THAT
EVERYBODY IN THE BUILDING
KNEW WHAT WAS IT IN.
HE HAS DENIED THAT HE KNEW
WHAT WAS IN IT.
THAT I WAS EARMARKED FOR 38
STUDIOS HE SAY THAT IS NOT
OUR BE WHERE BUT WE KNEW IT
WAS FOR 38 STUDIOS AND KIND
OF GOING BACK AND FORTH ON
THAT.
THEN, WHEN THE WHOLE HOUSE
OF CARDS COMES DOWN.
HE JUST WALKS AWAY AND SAYS
SOMEBODY ELSE IS SUPPOSED TO
BE COUNTING THE NUMBERS.
IN YOUR OPENING
STATEMENTS YOU SAID VERY
CLEARLY THAT THE SPEAKER FOX
IS RESPONSIBILITY.
WAS THE WORD THAT YOU USED
FOR 38 STUDIOS.
EX EXACTLY.
HOLDING THING ABOUT ON
THIS.
IT DID NOT COME A VOTE IF
SPEAKER FOX HAD NOT MADE IT
HAPPEN.
I CAN SAY THAT WITH
AUTHORITY.
IT WOULD NOT HAVE COME TO A
WROTE.
MR. FOX.
LE WITH, HOW CONVENT.
OBVIOUSLY HEAS NO IDEA SO IT
IS BEING HERE TO SNEER
EVERYTHING.
DO YOU BELIEVE GOVERNOR
HAVING A ROLE SNEER
ABSOLUTELY.
THE KEY WAS, RECREATED A
PROGRAM.
I DID NOT PK THE COMPANY.
I DID NOT MAKE DECISION TO
GIVE THEM.
DID NOT PICK THE AMOUNT.
IT WAS PROGRAM BECAUSE OF
PAST DIF TULL TYES WITH PAST
LEADERSHIP.
WE KNEW THEN FACING A LOSS
OF 32,000 JOBS IN TWO
YEARS.
UNEMPLOYMENT AS YOU SAID,
TED.
11.9.
THE SKY IS THE LIMIT AT THAT
POINT.
SOMETHING HAD TO HAPPEN AND
WE CREATED A TOOL.
THE EDC ASKED THIS TO REPEAT
PREVIOUSLY AND YOU ARE
CORRECT AND IT WAS NOT GIVEN
TO THEM.
THE TIME WAS RIGHT TO GIVE.
THE TOOL.
ULTIMATELY THEY VETTED THE
APPLICATION.
THEY WERE THE ONES CHARGED.
PROMISED THAT THEY WOULD
NOT.
AS THE GO OF GOVERNMENT WHO
SERVED.
WHO SAID BEFORE THE THIEF
YOU WHEN YOU APPEARED ON
THIS SHOW.
HE IS SAYING THAT IT IS
LAUGHABLE FOR A LOT OF OR
ANYONE TO SAY THAT WERE YOU
NOT AWARE THAT THE LION
SHARE OF THAT LOAN GUARANTEE
PROGRAM WAS NOT GOING GO TO
KURT SLING THE GAME.
WHAT YOU DO HE MEAN INTO
THE PRESS WAS REPORTING THE
MEETINGS GOING ON.
EVERYONE KNEW.
THERE WAS A REASON THE
PROVIDENCE IN MARCH.
MARCH OF THAT YEAR.
THIS WAS APPROVED UNMAY.
IN MARCH.
EVERYONE KNEW CURT SCHILLING
WAS INTERESTED IN TAX
INCENTIVES AND LOAN
PERHAPS.
THAT WAS WHAT I MEAN.
I AM COME EAT COMPLETELY
CONSISTENT WITH IT.
YOU CAN COUP NOT EARMARK
IT.
ANOTHER UNTRUTH.
IT WAS NOT EAR MARKED IN THE
BILL BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE
BEEN INAPPROPRIATE UNDER
SEPARATION OF POWERS YOU
HAVE THE DUTY CHARGED WITH
DC WHO CAME TO CREATE THIS
PROGRAM AND TESTIFIED IN
FRONT OF CAMERAS AND IN
HOUSE FINANCE THAT WE HAVE A
TESTIMONY TO MONITOR.
WE HAVE A SYSTEM.
NOW WE NEED FIND OUT AND WE
WILL THROUGH THE CONTEXT OF
HEARINGS ON ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT TO SEE WHAT WENT
WRONG, HOW IS IT VETTED.
IT IS THE PRM APPROPRIATE?
NOT IN THE CONTEXT OF
FINGER-POINTING,
NAME-CALLING OR HOW TO WE GO
FORWARD AS WE TRY SOLVE THE
ECONOMIC DIFFICULTIES IN THE
STATE AND MOVE FORWARD.
THE FINAL WORD ON THIS?
I THINK IT IS PRETTY
CLEAR HOW IT WENT WRONG.
EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE IT
WENT WRONG.
THE PROBLEM IS HOW DID IT
GET STARTED THIS THE WAY IT
GOT STARTED WAS POORLY.
HE SAID IT WAS NOT EAR
MARKED BUT $50 MILLION
PLUS $75 MILLION
EQUALS $125 MILLION.
HERE, GUYS VET ON IT.
OH, NO, JUST VET ON IT.
SOMEBODY ELSE WILL CLEAR UP
THE MESS.
OW CAN READ, DO YOU TAKE
THAT LEGISLATION, EARMARK
MEANS IT IS DESTNATED IN THE
LEGISLATION THAT THOUSAND
SHALT GIVE X TO THIS
COMPANY.
NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.
THAT'S THE RUTH.
HIDE TELL THE RUTH.
I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS -- I
NEVER SAID IT WAS EAR MARK
MARKED.
I JUST STATED WAS
EARMARKED.
ALL RIGHT.
LET'S CALL IT ADD ON.
HOW ABOUT THAT?
WE'LL AT ON $75 MILLION.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS
FOR.
WE'LL TRUST THIS
ORGANI ORGANIZATION.
WE'LL PRETEND WE DON'T KNOW
WHAT IT IS FOR.
HOW ABOUT THAT?
THAT IS BET SNEER NO, THAT
IS NOT BETTER.
AGAIN, YOU A GREAT
STORYTELLER.
NOW TELLING TALL TALES.
YOU ARE TELLING TALL TALES.
YOU ARE PRESUMING FACTS NOT
IN EVIDENCE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU COME
UP WITH THE NOTIONS BUT IT
IS MUDSLINGING.
AGAIN, IT IS NOT ADDING TO
DEBATE.
TALK POSITIVE.
WHERE DO WE GO FORWARD?
ALL RIGHT.
HOW DO YOU MOVE FOR HARD?
HOW DO YOU DEVELOP SKILL
TRAINING PROGRAMS INTO THAT
IS WHAT I AM ABOUT.
PROBLEM SOLVING TO MAKE
PEOPLES' LIVES BETTER.
I AM POSITIVE THAT LAST
MINUTE VOTES DON'T WORK FOR
OUR G. AND DON'T WORK FOR
THE TAXPAYERS.
THINK THAT IS A HIGH
PRIORITY THAT GORDON FOX
SAID IN JANUARY WAS NOT
GOING DO AND BROKE HIS
PROMISE ON THAT ONE.
WE ARE WRONG ON THAT.
WE NEED MOVE ON.
LETS TALK MORE.
YOU TOLD THE PROVIDENCE
JOURNAL" YOU DIRECTED A BILL
CAPPING DAY PAY LOAN SHOULD
BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST OF
BILLS TO BE CONSIDERED.
WHY DID YOU DO THAT?
WHY NOT ALLOW UP OR DOWN
VOTE.
THE PREVIOUS SECTION
BECAUSE THIS IS AN SH SHOE
THAT NEEDS.
IT IS A PRODUCT I WOULDN'T
USE.
WE DON'T HAVE PAYDAY LENDERS
ON THE EAST SIDE.
BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT
NEEDED.
THERE ARE OTHER AVENUES
THERE IS A ROAD ISSUE.
WHY DO PEOPLE FINE
THEMSELVES IN FINANCIAL
SITUATIONS HAVE TO GO.
YOU ALSO HAVE A BACK STOP.
WE DON'T LIVE IN A SOCIETY,
THE INTERNET AND TELEVISION
PAYDAY LISTENERS THAT EVEN
ARE EGREGIOUS.
TRY WORK ON A SOLUTION
BECAME TO LOW ARE THE
INTEREST RATE.
OR ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE
THE PROGRAM AS IT WAS.
OTHER PEOPLE LIKE FRANK AND
THE HOUSESIDE TOOK THE
LEADERSHIP AND WORKING ON
THIS AND UNLIKE WHAT
MR. BUNKER WANTS TO SAY.
DON'T BELIEVE IN TOP-DOWN
GOVERNMENT WORKS.
IT HAS GOD TO BE LEGISLATURE
DRIVEN.
THE SENATOR CAME UP WITH A
REAL SOLUTION.
CAPPING THE NUMBER OF
LOANS.
COMING UP WITH A DATABASE SO
PEOPLE WERE TAKEN LOANS FROM
VENDORS THE COME SHOWED THAT
THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WOULD
GO TO HOLT PELL VENDORS.
IT WAS THE LOBBYIST FOR
THE PAYDAY LOANS SO HOW CAN
YOU SAY THAT DOESN'T?
I DON'T CARE WHO THEY
HIRED AS LOBBYIST.
AGAIN, THAT IS PART.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY PAID.
I AM NOT MAKING DECISION
BECAUSE FORMER SPEAKER MR IF
I IS SAYING YOU SHOULD DO
SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY
NOT BE CORRECT.
I WOULD NOR HAVE I EVER.
SISTING NOT RIGHT.
THERE IS NOT A DISTRICT VIEW
ON SOMETHING.
KILL A BILL BECAUSE LOP
BUYIST TOLD ME TO.
THESE ARE WAYS OF LOOKING AT
ISSUES.
AND THAT ARE SOLUTIONS THAT
WERE OFFERED AND WERE
UNACCEPTABLE TO QUITE BOTH
SIDES ON ISSUE.
THEN IT IS PERSONAL.
ABOUT ALLEGATIONS OF BEING
FAMILY RELATED.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
RESPOND TO THAT.
THERE ARE NOT ANY PAYDAY
LENDING FACILITIES IN OUR
DISTRICT.
HE IS ACTUALLY RIGHT.
IF YOU WALK ACROSS THE
STREET FROM OUR DISTRICT
INTO PAWTUCKET NEAR WHERE
THEY USED TO BE.
THERE IS A PAYDAY LENDING.
PEOPLE CAN WALK OVER THERE.
THE WAIT IS AT 260%
INTERESTS.
OKAY 1234 TO BE HONEST, I
DON'T CARE IF THOSE
BUSINESSES STAY IN BUS
MESS.
I DONE CARE IF PEOPLE TWO
ON-LINE.
DON'T THINK THE STATE OF
RHODE ISLAND SHOULD ALLOW IT
WITHIN THE BO BOARD TOX
HONEST.
I SUSPECT THAT THERE IS
PROBABLY REGULATION HAS WE
COULD PUT INTO PROHIBIT THE
USE OF THAT STUFF OR THE
INTERNET BUT I DON'T KNOW.
I AM NOT A LUR OR A
POLITICIAN YET.
LET ME ASK YOU A
DIFFERENT QUESTION RELATED
TO THIS.
OKAY.
SPEAKER FOX IS POWERFUL.
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT
REPLACING HIM WITH YOU AND
OBVIOUSLY IN A NEW SPACKER
COMING IN WOULD MAKE IT A
PROGRESSIVE PLACE.
I AM NOT RUNNING FOR
SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.
I THINK THAT REPLACING HIM
WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE
BECAUSE WHAT PART OF WHAT
THIS CAMPAIGN HAS BECOME
ABOUT.
PART OF WHAT I AM PASSIONATE
IS ABOUT THE IDEA OF
CHANGING THE WAY OUR
GOVERNMENT DOES BUSINESS.
IF ANOTHER SPEAKER COMES IN
AND OPERATES THE SAME WAY.
I THINK THAT THAT SPEAKER IS
GOING TO BECOME VUL MERRABLE
TO THEIR VOTERS AND SOMEONE
ELSE LIKE ME SAYING THIS IS
WRONG.
SO MAYBE WE CAN STOP THIS
PRACTICE OF HAVING A MONEY
COMING IN AND THE VOTES
GOING OUT OF HAVING THE LAST
MINUTE DEALS AND THE LATE
NIGHT SESSIONS AND IT
DOESN'T WORK FOR THE STATE.
IT DOESN'T WORK FOR THE
TAXPAYERS AND COST US
MONEY.
WOULD YOU HAVE A BEEN YES
VOTE ON THE STATE'S HISTORIC
PENSION EVERALL HAVE OF
2011?
THAT IS ONE OF THOSE
QUESTIONS THAT IF I WERE A
POLLS I WOULD TAP DANCE
WILDLY ABOUT.
THE ANSWER IS I DON'T KNOW.
MY WIFE IS A SCHOOLTEACHER.
SHE HAS PART OF THE STATE
PENSION PROGRAM.
TO BE HONEST, I FEEL LIKE WE
HAVE GONE BACK ON OUR WORD
TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
PENSIONERS BUT NOT GOING GO
BACK ON THE WORD TO THE BON
HOLDERS FROM 38 STUDIOS.
THE PROPOSAL WAS BEFORE
YOU NOW.
WOULD YOU BE A YES OR NO ON
IT?
I WOULD HAVE TO READ IT.
WAIT.
I AM SORRY.
THIS HAS BEEN PLOT TY WILDLY
REPORTED EVERYONE HAS KNOWS
ABOUT THE INS AND OUTS OF
THIS.
PIE SAYING I DON'T KNOW WITH
ALL DO RESPECT THAT IS TAP
DANCING.
AS LEGISLATURE YOU HAVE TO
MT. THE RED LIGHT OR THE
GREEN LIGHT INNOCENT YOU
KNOW ENOUGH.
HOPE YOU DO.
YES NOR?
ACTUALLY, AT THIS POINT,
I AM GOING ABSTAIN.
I HAVE A LONG CONVERSATION.
THAT IS ANOTHER OPTION.
YOUR OPPONENT TO SERVE TO
HELP SHUT.
TAKE CREDIT FOR IT.
A DOES HE DESERVE CREDIT FOR
IT?
THERE IS A LONG
CONVERSATION THAT WE CAN
HAVE AND IT HAS BEEN WRITTEN
ABOUT.
CAN YOU GIVE ME A YES NOR
ANSWER.
YES.
I WILL ABSTAIN.
MR. FOX.
TEACHER'S UNION, ROBERT
WALSH SAID HE IS CONFIDENT.
WHAT IS THE PLAN B IF THAT
HAPPENS?
WE GO BACK TO THE DRAWING
BOARD.
THE KEY WAS AND THAT IS THE
DIFFENCE BETWEEN, MARK, YOU
A AND I M.
I DON'T HAVE LUX RIFF
ABSTAINING NOT AS REP SEASON
FRIF DISTRICT FOUR KNOWING
THE NUMBERS HOW THEY ARE
WORKING KNOWING THE
VULNERABLE SYSTEM WOULD NOT
BE THERE TO PROTECT THE
PEOPLE LIKE YOUR WIFE WHO
HOPE MY WILL GET A PENSION
TO DO GOOD WORK IN THE
SCHOOLS.
AISLE IS ABOUT SOLVING
PROBLEMS.
THIS IS ABOUT SOLVING
PROBLEMS.
JUST GOING BACK ON A
PROMISE.
WELL, THERE WAS A PROMISE
MADE.
LITTLE BY LITTLE, THE SYSTEM
THAT COULDN'T BE AFFORDED
ANYMORE.
I MEAN, WHEN OUR CHILDREN
ARE YOUNG.
WE MADE PROMISE THEY HAVE A
HARVARD EDUCATION YOU MAY
NOT.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK THEN THE
EYE.
DY THAT AS SPEAKER.
THERE WERE SPEAKERS.
SPEAKERS BEFORE ME THAT DID
NOT DEAL WELL THIS ISSUE BUT
LOOK AT SYSTEM 3.5 BILLION
IN STATE RESOURCES IN THE
BUDGET.
$1BILLION WITHIN THE MARE
FUTURE WOULD GO TO MACK IT
WHERE WE FIND CONTRIBUTION.
HOW DO YOU FUND PUBLIC
SAFETY.
HOW DO YOU PROVIDE FOR GOOD
SCHOOLS?
HOW DO YOU PAY FOR FUTURE IF
YOU ARE DEALING WITH THE
PAST.
WE GET WORKING TO PUT
TOGETHER, PULL TOGETHER, A
PENSION REFORM PLAN, THAT
MAKES IT HEALTHY, RETECHS
PENSION, SAVES MONEY.
ALL OF THE PRISONS OF DOING
THE LEAST WE HAD TO DO IN
TERMS OF HURTING THE
RECIPIENTS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS
HURT.
IT TOOKS THINGS AWAY.
WE HAD CONCRETE EXAMPLE.
CENTRAL FALLS.
HEYED PEOPLE COME TO MY
OFFICE 80ER YAS OLD.
89,000 BECAUSE OF
BANKRUPTCY, GOT 5,000 WERE
THOSE PEOPLE GIVEN THE.
[DO WE WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
SOMEONE WITH 85 WITH NO
OPTION OS.
I WAS THE RIGHT THING TO
DO.
THE PEOPLE NEED IT.
WE ADVOCATE IT.
WE GOT IT DONE.
THAT IS PROBLEM-SOLVING.
WE HAVE LESS THAN TWO
MINUTES IN THIS PROGRAM
LEFT.
I NEED GO THROUGH A SERIES
OF YES OR NO QUESTIONS.
YES.
NO.
ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL START WITH YOU.
YES NOR.
SHOULD THE STATE CONSIDER
DEFAULTING ON THE 38
STUDIOS?
YES.
YES.
SPEAKER.
IT IS AN OPTION.
AND SPEAKER WITH YOU.
DO YOUPORT A PUSH BY MONEY
WHO EX PANELED YOU TO
PUBLICLY FUND CHARTER
SCHOOLS INTO YES OR MO.
YES.
MR. BINDER.
I HAVE A CONVOLUTED
POSITION.
THE ANSWER IS ABSTAINED AT
THIS TIME.
AND MR. BINNER DO YOU
SUPPORT RHODE ISLAND'S NEW
VOTER I.D. LAW?
ABSOLUTLEY NOT.
MR. KNOCKS.
NEEDS REVISIONS.
YOU SAID ABSOLUTELY NOT IN A
QUICK TIME WE HAVE HERE.
WHY DO YOU OPPOSE SO
VEHEMENTLY.
RED ISLANDS THE ONLY
DEMOCRATIC STATE IN THE YUN
UNION TO PASS VOTER I.D.
LAW.
IT MAKES IT HARDER TO VOTE
IN PERSON.
THERE HAS BEEN CASES OF
ABSENTEE BALLOT THAT HAVE
BEEN COUPLED BUT NO CASES OF
IN PERSON VOTER FRAUD
DOCUMENTED IN RHODE ISLAND.
WITHIN 15 SECONDS
ANYTHING IN THERE WE HEARD
EVIDENCE OF THE CONTRARY.
THE BILL SUPPORTED BY THE
MINORITY CAUCUS INVOLVED.
AND THE STATE MAKING IT O
ONE OF THE LEAST RESTRICTED
VOTE ARE I.D. LAWS GOING.
THERE ARE PROFESSION AS THAT
GOES.
I SAID NEED REVISIONS I
WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE THING
LEFT OUT IN THE SUNSET.
TO FORCE THE FUTURE
LEGISLATURE TO TAKE A LOOK
AT IT TO SEE HOW IT IS
AFFECT IN THE LAST TWO
CYCLES AND SOMETHING WE'LL
WORK ON WHEN WE GET BACK.
THIS IS HOUSE DISTRICT 4.
IN PROVIDENCE ON THE EAST
SIDE.
THE CANDIDATING INDEPENDENT
MARK BINNER AND DEMOCRATIC
HOUSE SPEAKER GORDON FOX.
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