Music for Geeklings - #parent ep. 3

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MIKE PHIRMAN: How's it going?
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: It's going well.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Nice to have everybody.
How are you?
Mike, this is my favorite part of the show.
The awkward staring into the camera where everybody's like
are we-- it's a-- what?
MIKE PHIRMAN: This is almost "That '70s Show" convention of
staring into the camera, but the entire episode.
Everybody delivered right to camera the whole show.

So welcome to #parent, or parent as nobody is saying.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: No one's saying that.
MIKE PHIRMAN: I am Mike Phirman.
Also staring at you is Kristen Rutherford.
MIKE PHIRMAN: And we have guests down
below as you can see.
Should we do introductions?
Do you have anything you want to say before we bring
everybody in?
This is our music episode.
So all of our guests are musical people.
MIKE PHIRMAN: That's right.
So we have coming to the screen right now,
singer/songwriter, he is also the JoCo of JoCo Cruise Crazy,
and maker of such hits as "Re--
Your Brains" and "The Princess Who Saved Herself." Please
welcome Jonathan Coulton to your computer.
JONATHAN COULTON: Hello everybody.
It's nice to-- wait a minute.
Now I'm looking at Paul.
I don't want to look at Paul.
PAUL SABOURIN: Ha ha, I made noise.
JONATHAN COULTON: Don't make noise.
It's my chance to be introduced.
PAUL SABOURIN: Who said make noise?
OK, I'll make some noise.
JONATHAN COULTON: Thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
That's appropriate.
Hi, everybody.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: And now who's next?
MIKE PHIRMAN: Since he has already quasi-introduced
himself, he is one of the founding members of DaVinci's
Notebook, as well as half of Paul and Storm.
And is currently in production of a program for the Geek &
Sundry YouTube channel called "Learning Town," which I might
be showing up in.
Please welcome--
MIKE PHIRMAN: Paul Sabourin.
Hi, everybody.
Hi, Mike.
Hi, Kristen.
MIKE PHIRMAN: How you doing?
PAUL SABOURIN: This isn't awkward at all.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: It's so awkward, isn't it?
It's wonderful.

MIKE PHIRMAN: You know what?
Because it feels almost claustrophobic in a way.
Like everybody's in the bathroom.
Like we're all just in a port-a-potty or
something like that.
No one around anybody.
But we're all kind of together.
PAUL SABOURIN: We're in a bathroom with cameras.
PAUL SABOURIN: And you are forced to
talk to other people.
MIKE PHIRMAN: It's like we're all in detention.
This show is one big time out.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: It's "The Breakfast Club."
JONATHAN COULTON: It's "The Breakfast Club." Except at
it's night time.
And definitely not least, it would not have been lastly if
it wasn't for Paul jumping in before.
I would have put Paul lastly.
PAUL SABOURIN: Why is everybody dogpiling on Paul?
MIKE PHIRMAN: But he is a founding number and guitarist
for the band Bad Religion.
This show now has oodles of street cred that we would
never have had before, no offense to
everybody else in the world.
But also the founder and owner of Epitaph Records and a
friend of Kristen's who is into music stuff.
Please welcome Brett Gurewitz, ladies and gentlemen at home.
BRETT GUREWITZ: Hi guys, thanks for having me.
It's fun to be here.
Kinda weird, but hi.
Hey, Kristen.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: I see you there, you're hidden.
JONATHAN COULTON: One of the things that enhances the
awkwardness is the poorly timed applause.
We need to invite once a week a random person to come hang
out with us that will be the studio audience.
That will clap a few times, or ask questions, or say it's too
cold in the studio can we turn up--
things like that.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Yep, that's really funny.

MIKE PHIRMAN: Thank you to Google+ for adding
sounds to the show.
So I guess you guys know why you are here.
You are on the show because you are musicians.

Suddenly this is like a game show that you're going to have
to fight now.
I hope you realize what you've stepped into.
Very casual.
But we have these guests because they are musicians.
At one time they thought, I'm going to do music with my
entire life.
And here they are now because this episode is about music
and the celebration and geekdom they're about.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Here's what this episode
was birthed out of.
When I had Vivian, she was maybe three-months-old and I
didn't know too many other people who had babies.
And I had an acquaintance who had a baby that was
And she's like, come over, we'll put the babies on a
blanket together and look at them.
And I went over there and she had her television set to one
of those cable channels that you can choose
your genre of music.
And she had it set to toddler tunes.
So her house was full of all this obnoxious kid's music.
And I remember sitting there and thinking why
are you doing this?
Why are you playing this obnoxious kid's music?
You can be playing this baby anything you want.
You still have time before your kid--
MIKE PHIRMAN: This is your chance.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Yeah, this is your chance
to play your music.
You could just be playing your music.
Why are you inflicting this on yourself before your kid turns
to you and says, I would like to hear this obnoxious song
10,000 times in a row?
Why on Earth she would do that?
So that's what this is birthed out of was that moment of just
why would someone do that?
And we wanted to talk to you guys about music.
About the music that you play when with you're with your
children, when you are not with your children, if there's
a difference.
Your thoughts on just the music that's out there and
good things to play for your children.
I was going to say good things or things that you think are
good to play for your children, because I'm a member
of the Department of Redundancy.
JONATHAN COULTON: Good things, or things that are not good
but you think are good.
That would be fine.
JONATHAN COULTON: No, I agree with you.
The kids music thing, for a while I tried interesting my
kids in kids music.
But really what they wanted to listen to was just music.
So kids sort of glom on to whatever stuff they like.
And it's weird what they like.
I remember my daughter, even when she was just learning to
speak, really fixated on a Dixie Chicks song called
"Goodbye Earl," which is about murdering an abusive husband.
JONATHAN COULTON: And she really didn't know what the
words were, but she loved this song and would listen to it
like 40 times a day.
And that never would have appeared on a kid's record
anywhere I think.
MIKE PHIRMAN: I feel like kids learn things--
you will teach them something you didn't plan on teaching
them because a word will slip in there.
Even just something like--
well, I was going to tell you the way I learned one word
from a Prince song.
And I didn't know what it meant.
But it has to do with Little Nicky?
BRETT GUREWITZ: "Darling Nikki."
MIKE PHIRMAN: Yeah, "Darling Nikki."
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Saying Little Nicky is, like, whip
your hair or something.
That's something else?
I don't know.
MIKE PHIRMAN: I don't remember.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: What are the kids listening to?
I don't know.
MIKE PHIRMAN: But even now, like you said,
you have to be careful.
If you play a song for a kid, it doesn't matter if it's your
favorite song in the world and you think you can listen to it
a thousand times.
You are going to get tired of it, because they will make you
play it a billion times.
I played "I Get Around." I was like, I like "I Get Around" by
the Beach Boys.
I can't listen to the Beach Boys anymore.
I can't.
We'd listen to it every day for a solid three months,
couple times a day.
But if nothing else, it got us to have a conversation about
what is a bad guy?
Because he said the bad guys know us and
they leave us alone.
I was like well they're guys who are like going to get into
things that they don't want to-- they're guys that are--
And he goes, bad?
Yeah, OK, the guys that are bad.
That's pretty much it.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Guys that are bad.
PAUL SABOURIN: My kids are older, but from when they were
younger there's sort of a flip side to that, I find.
Insofar as when my oldest daughter was anywhere between
four months and 12-14 months she cried all the time.
She was the fussiest, colicky-est baby there was.
And there were very few solutions that we could use.
But one of them was playing Shawn Colvin's song
"Polaroids." For some reason that song clicked with her.
And she would shut the heck up for the duration of the song.
And we could play it over and over and she would stay quiet
most of the time for the duration of it.
So while I've heard that song a bunch of times, I have
nothing but gratitude and pleasant feelings for that
song because I associate it with oh my god, thank you for
keeping my kid quiet.
And you know, it's funny.
When I was in college, that was the only thing that would
make me stop crying was listening to Shawn Colvin, the
same thing with me.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Brett, how about you?
How old are your kids?
BRETT GUREWITZ: Well, I have two grown up
kids, one who's 21.
And he's in college.
And an 18-year-old girl in high school.
And I also have a toddler who's three.
MIKE PHIRMAN: OK, so now at what age did you feel-- with
the older ones and with the younger one-- at what age do
you start introducing them to Bad
Religion, things like that?
Do you feel like just well, they're
going to hear it anyway?
BRETT GUREWITZ: I own two record labels, actually.
And so there's always music in our home.
And my kids have heard everything from Tom Waits to
Bad Religion to Mavis Staples in the house from the time
they were born.
These are the artists I work with all the time.
Not to mention listening to music for pleasure, but
listening to music for business--
it's always in the home.
And it's interesting to see the things
they'll gravitate to.
But I agree with what's being said about
children's music in general.

There's some very good children's music out there.
But in general, I think that you should just play the kids
good music.
And you get to see every kid is different.
Sometimes really young kids sometimes like super energetic
punk rock because it's so fast.
And that's what I notice, it makes them run around in
circles and go crazy.
BRETT GUREWITZ: But then I find they connect to it.
And it energizes them.
But it's not what they come back to.
It's not what they remember.
There was a great comp called "Gather Around" that my wife
Gina and I loved.
She might be joining me on the same camera in a second.
And it had artists like Bob Dylan, Carole
King, Willie Nelson.
But all very simple songs that were really great and
appropriate for kids.
And it was one of Nico's favorites.
And we played that for her for a long time.
And I think it exposed her to some really great performances
by great artists.
And it was music that we could also enjoy with her.
MIKE PHIRMAN: That feels like such a sign
or a stamp of approval.
If my son Milo likes a song of mine, I would
think that's huge.
Because I feel like simple is kind of a key there.
Because I know if you played Medesky Martin & Wood, they're
probably just going to turn into puppets
and background music.
They won't be able to follow what's going on.
But I think the simple thing, like it must be pretty hooky,
or at least identifiable, something they can relate to.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Like the Beatles or Beach Boys.
BRETT GUREWITZ: Oh yeah, the Beatles
are a staple, obviously.
You know what my daughter Nico's all about right now are
show tunes.
My wife and her dad love "The Sound of Music," "The King and
I," "Singing in the Rain." She doesn't get that from me.
But they love those shows.
I like the shows, too.
But it's not the music I go to.
But Nico seems to really adore that stuff.
And the nice thing about that is you can find clips of the
best songs from all those films on YouTube.
And she'll ask for her favorite song from "The King
and I," her favorite from "The Sound of Music." And she's
captivated by that stuff.
And we feel like she's actually experiencing
something that's quality.
And it's not just pablum.
That brings up an interesting question, too.

My husband and I, we intersect in some areas.
But we have very different musical tastes.
And the other day I was working and my daughter came
running in.
She said Mommy, Daddy just told me the most amazing story
about a character named Ordonna.
And she's an amazing swimmer.
Well, it turned out he had shown her the video for
"Cherish" by Madonna, something I never ever, ever
would have done.
I was like what?
But you know what?
Now that's their thing, when he gives her a bath, they sing
"Cherish." And she pretends like she's a mermaid.
So as much as I was like really?
Really, we're playing her Madonna music?
I was like this is this amazing time that they have
together, where they play this Madonna song and
she pretends to be--
or sorry, Ordonna--
and pretends to be a mermaid.
So have you ever had a run in where you're just
like oh, not that?
But then you have to sort of come to terms with it?
Has that ever happened?
Or is it just me and Ordonna?
JONATHAN COULTON: No, there was a Missy Elliott song that
my daughter latched onto that had some
inappropriate lyrics in it.
I actually don't remember what it was now.
But yeah, it's happened a few times.
It's funny, when they're young enough they don't understand
most words.
They're learning these songs by heart completely
And it's kind of hilarious.
Because they're just sort of skating overall all these
difficult concepts and quote unquote, "bad words."
So I don't know.
I tend not to worry about that too much.
Because I feel like they have a buffer of protection, which
is that they don't understand what is happening a lot of the
time in the music.
I mean, you just have to worry about them belting it out at
the top of their lungs at the grocery store.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Yeah, right.
Yeah, exactly.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Because they will belt it out.
JONATHAN COULTON: Oh, they will.
And so she will sing in phonetic Japanese at the top
of her lungs and it is endlessly hilarious.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Do you guys ever play any music for your kids
that has some kind of intent behind it?
I know we have to eventually mention Baby Einstein and
things like that that are like I'm going to make my kid a
genius by putting on Mozart.
And then of course, people are suing because they're not
necessarily geniuses because they listen to Little Mozart.
But do you ever put on music with an intent other than just
enjoying it-- like some reason?
Like I'm going to put on classical to focus.
Or you could put on the JBs because I want them to have
some funk in them.
Is there anything that you, like, I'm putting this on for
this reason?
I mean, I try to cultivate good taste in my kids.
So yeah, I played them a lot of Beatles.
I've always played them Stones, I play them all my
favorite stuff, Dylan, Springsteen, Waits.
I try to expose them to great music by great artists
constantly in the hopes that something will sink in.
I mean, I've even play them Daft Punk.
I have pretty eclectic taste.
But I don't know if it has any effect.
Because I actually have the experience now of having two
grown up kids.
And I did that for them.
And my son basically listens to black metal.
And my daughter listens to Bieber.
So it didn't help.

Not like there's anything wrong about that.

KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: I guess at a certain point your children,
when they're teenagers--
and remember, I have a three-year-old.
So I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
But I imagine when they're teenagers, you kind of don't--
I mean, I would like her to little some of
the things I like.
But part of being a teenager is rebelling against your
parents and not listening to the music that they listen to
and finding your own thing.
My dad offered to buy my Thomas Dolby "Golden Age of
Wireless" record from me just so he could put a
razor blade to it.
And I was like, I'm going to play this a hundred times a
day instead.
So maybe that's a part of it.
PAUL SABOURIN: You certainly can't.
I'm not saying anything that's rocket science or anything.
But you put stuff on and you hope for the best.
But obviously you can't program your kids.
And you can't really force your taste or a particular
taste on them.
They're going to take from it what they take from it.
For both my kids, we come back to the Beatles again just as
an example.
I tried play some Beatles for them when
they were quite young.
And they were OK with it.
But they didn't really super latch on to it.
And then a number of years later they actually--
my daughters are three years apart-- but at the same time,
they came back to the Beatles on their own through "Beatles
Rock Band." That was when "Rock Band" was really at the
height of its powers, certainly in our house.
And they started playing it just because it was "Rock
Band," here's some more music to play on that.
And they really, just over the course of a few weeks,
suddenly started appreciating the songs for the sake of
listening to the songs.
So eventually, hopefully at some point
it all comes around.
But I've never approached it trying to force particular
choices on my kids.
I mean, just as Brett said, my younger daughter listens to
pretty much every Disney pop star there is right now.
[? Kevin ?]
Lovato and Selena Gomez.
She's not so much into Bieber, but all the Bieber-like--
Hey, watch it.
PAUL SABOURIN: And you can say what you will about
those kind of things.
The thing I try to the extent of trying to be a good parent
about it, she's smart enough to know that they're not
necessarily really good music, per se.
But you try and at least do things like
appreciate the craft.
I never would have listened to this stuff by choice.
But just being in the car when she puts these things on,
occasionally one of these things will come on.
And I'm like you know what?
This is a really well-crafted pop song.
Whether or not the lyrics are incredibly deep or I
particularly care for it, I can really respect the
The work that went into making this as incredibly
catchy as it is.
MIKE PHIRMAN: That actually brings up
an interesting question.
Since you guys are all very familiar with how songs are
made, at what age do you guys break down songs and like, you
know what, let's go in and record a basic song?
If you like "I Get Around," let's record it real quick.
Let's make a little--
it's not because I'm great--
but here's what's going on in this song.
There's a drum, there's guitar, there's bass.
Do you guys do that?
How into the music do you want to get with them?
JONATHAN COULTON: I tend to sort of soft peddle it.
I mean, both my kids have musical aptitude.
But my experience with coming to music was very--
I took piano lessons for awhile.
And it was never as much fun as it was when I was just
sitting down at the piano trying to figure out songs
that I wanted to play.
And so much of my relationship to music comes from just
exploration by myself.
And so I don't want to ruin anything for them by forcing
them to do anything but they aren't actually
interested in doing.
That sad.
Occasionally my daughter will say I want to record.
I have a great idea for a song and I want to record it.
So she goes into the booth and I put a little drumbeat.
And she sings tunelessly for about a minute and a half.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Friday, Friday, Friday.
And then I add some stuff to it.
And it's fun.
But I'm always very conscious of not wanting to put anything
in front of them that they didn't actually ask for it.
Because it's just sticks better when it's you deciding
to learn a thing.
It just sticks better, I think.
MIKE PHIRMAN: I guess the only thing I feel like is I didn't
take piano lessons.
I just kind of played by ear and everything.
And there is a part of me, my dad even said, I tried it get
you to do piano lessons.
It would have been great.
I always thought, if you have a symphony in your head, this
will be the way to get it out.
You'll know how to do it.
And now, I think like anybody--
JONATHAN COULTON: I wish they had made
me take piano lessons.
Yeah, I know.
Brett, did you do any?
Like, did you, I'm going to make sure you guys learn how
to play guitar?
I want you to learn an instrument.
Did you do anything like that?
BRETT GUREWITZ: I'm sort of in the same camp as Jonathan.
I didn't want to push music on my kids.
I didn't grow up in a musical household.
But music was my first great love.
And it remains that to this day.
And I felt like the kids should come to it themselves.
That being said, they grew up in recording studios.
They grew up in rehearsal studios.
They grew up in the record label.
So they had access to it.
And there was always music in their lives.
But there's a lot to be said for a kid
finding their own path.
I think their lives have been enriched by music.
I even did attempt to give them piano lessons.
But I wasn't a strict parent about that--
so far.
And maybe it will be different with Nico.
Nico seems to love music.
We have a piano in the home.
She sees me singing and playing music.
I sing to her at bedtime.
I guess all the normal stuff.
But we'll see.
I think you have to let kids find their path.

Does anybody have an album for when the kids are very small
that they recommend?
For instance, I have one that we have listened to almost
every single night for Milo and Eli.
You know how they say if you put on a song, and you have a
routine, and it gets them to know what's coming next?
And then by the time they hit the bed, they know that they
fall asleep.
And it's really easy, right?
So our album, it's called, I think, "Hushabye." It's covers
of Willie Nelson done really soft, but so well done.
I've now heard that album.
It's got to be like a thousand times, literally a thousand
times, and I'm not tired of it all.
So that's a great album for a little sleep time thing.
Do you guys have any CDs anybody watching should
take a listen to?
PAUL SABOURIN: "Polaroids" by Shawn Colvin
on repeat, 800 times.
JONATHAN COULTON: There's an album by Jason Falkner called
"Bedtime With the Beatles," or something like that.
And that's for really tiny babies.
There is no singing.
It's just like lullabies played on the softest little
plinky instruments.
But it's really beautiful.
It's tastefully done.
And Jason Falkner's a pop genius.
So it's great to have him behind that.
And in those countless hours when you're rocking back and
forth with a stupid baby in your arms.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Babies are so stupid.
They are.
JONATHAN COULTON: They are so stupid at that age.
PAUL SABOURIN: But they're dumb,
they don't know anything.
JONATHAN COULTON: They don't know anything.
But you get to listen to Beatles music while
you're doing it.
So it's kind of nice.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: What about you, Brett?
BRETT GUREWITZ: Well, I'll mention the one I mentioned
before, which was a compilation called "Gather
Around." It's got a lot of wonderful music,
maybe not for a baby.
But it's perfect for a toddler.
The other thing that we do is we play lots and lots
of music for Nico.
And we've started putting together playlists of her
favorite songs.
So like I was saying before, there's "Singing in the Rain."
There's songs from musicals.
And you can put together playlists on various programs.
Obviously there's iTunes.
And we have a lot of iTunes playlists.
But we have Spotified playlists.
I'm also a user of RDO.
Being in the business I'm in, I'm signed up to every damn
music service in the world, of course, because I have to see
what they all do.
But Spotify playlists of a kids favorite songs can be
Because suddenly they're just thrilled with every single
track that comes out.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Dude, I was at your house last week.
And I think Gina put on whatever it was that had the
mix of "Singing in the Rain." And it had, like, "Singing in
the Rain." But also, like, "Cinderella" and "King and I."
And I was like, that's just the greatest mix.
My god!
BRETT GUREWITZ: But it also had "Lucy in the Sky with
It was really good.
You could sell those mixes.
MIKE PHIRMAN: The greatest is when you're listening to a
genre of music and then somebody like a comedy
musician, like Paul, I'll be listening to Irish music or
something like that and then all of a sudden,
what's the Irish jig?
PAUL SABOURIN: Well, we have a song called "Another Irish
Drinking Song," which is just a litany of all the people
who've died.

We're ruining genres, one at a time.
MIKE PHIRMAN: As we say, we're not making music.
We're taking music.
PAUL SABOURIN: It's more of a calling, really, than a job.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: We had a music teacher.
I used to take Vivian to these music classes.
And the woman who ran the classes was so good.
And there's like a 10-session class.
She'd give us a mixed CD that had a lot of "The Music in Me"
stuff on there.
But she'd mix it up.
It would have that song me, me, me, but then the next
track would be Joan Jett and the Blackhearts going yeah,
me, yeah me.
And her mixes we're just--
don't tell any of my friends that I went to college with,
but these are the best mixtapes I've ever been given.
They just went to places, like, all of a sudden you'd be
listening to Jimi Hendrix right after you were listening
to a song about banging pots in the kitchen.
It was really, really something else.
We do that a lot in our house.
We have a lot of playlists that we pull up.
I have a car list.
And the car list gets shifted around.
And I'm always burning new cars CDs and stuff like that,
because I like living in 2004.
JONATHAN COULTON: I carefully curated a playlist of bedtime
songs, low-key, mellow songs.
There's a little Sonos box next to the kids' bed, and--
PAUL SABOURIN: Is that like a robot?
Is it like a robot?
PAUL SABOURIN: Is that a robot?
JONATHAN COULTON: It's a robot, yeah.
It's a music robot.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Whoa, shock, what happens when that
robot becomes sentient?
What are you going to do?
JONATHAN COULTON: It's not going to become sentient.
It has its own music choices that you don't
want to listen to.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: I didn't program that into that robot.
JONATHAN COULTON: They listened to the
mix for a long time.
And they sort of absorbed a lot of that stuff, which was
fun to watch.
And now my daughter has decided that when she is
falling asleep, she wants to listen over and over again to
"Three is the Magic Number."
The De La Soul?
JONATHAN COULTON: Yeah, the De La Soul version.
JONATHAN COULTON: Get rid of the playlist, just put that
song on repeat.
BRETT GUREWITZ: That's a good song.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: That is a good song.
I like that album.
JONATHAN COULTON: I don't know how many times I could listen
to it in a row before I'd want to hear at
least something else.
BRETT GUREWITZ: Play her "One is the Loneliest Number."
JONATHAN COULTON: Yeah, exactly.

KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Which version, though?
The Amy Mann version or the original?
BRETT GUREWITZ: The Three Dog Night, I would say.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Three Dog Night, yeah.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Was "One is the Loneliest Number" done by
Three Dog Night?
MIKE PHIRMAN: That's irony.
And we're into math songs.
So, They Might Be Giants.
Folks, what do you think about slipping in--
what a perfect segue.
I'm going to give myself a little bit of this.
What do you think about--
PAUL SABOURIN: There it is.
MIKE PHIRMAN: --songs, and albums, and stuff that you can
slip in the brainy stuff with good music behind it?
But I'm talking, of course, about They Might Be Giants.
Which you don't have to be a parent.
You don't have to have kids around.
You don't have to have kids at all to enjoy Tom Lehrer.
Things like that are sneaky ways to learn.
Do you guys aspire to writing that kind of stuff?
Or do you have any motivations like that?

MIKE PHIRMAN: Have you guys ever thought about doing--
I'm actually kind of working on, as we were saying, taking
music versus making it.
I'm working on a kids' EP, a little thing with kids' music.
But I cannot take it seriously because I, like I said at the
top, there's kids' music that drives me crazy.
No offense.
Good job to everybody, like the Wiggles and such.
Cool, good for you guys.
But I can't listen to it.
It drives me crazy.
And it's also in, I think, the comedy guy nature to want to--
all right, so what's the joke there?
I'm not just going to record a song that's like, literally,
the banana said whoops.
And it fell to the ground.
I'd lose my mind.
JONATHAN COULTON: Well, that's terrible.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: That really was terrible.
PAUL SABOURIN: Mike, where's the joke?
Come on.
JONATHAN COULTON: Banana said whoops.
First of all, bananas can't talk.
And second of all, it's not the bananas
that fall to the ground.
People slip on the bananas.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Science is flawed.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Where do you go to get your ideas, man?
Where I go the bananas talk, man.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: You're making songs for children of
the '70s who are on acid.
BRETT GUREWITZ: Come on, you guys.
The banana said whoops when the guy slipped on it.
That's what happened,
PAUL SABOURIN: Well, that makes sense.
Yeah, that makes sense, sure.
MIKE PHIRMAN: I didn't say he was alone.
I just said he said whoops.
But the point being, so I'm making this thing.
But I can't help but mock it.
Which I don't know how it's going to go.
You know how it goes, we'll see.
But of course, there is that part that's kind of like, oh,
it'd be nice to make a thing that kids
actually learn something.
Not that they're going to necessarily memorize the
elements and all that kind of stuff.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: I know the preamble of the Constitution
from "Schoolhouse Rock."
PAUL SABOURIN: Yeah, totally.
It's served me no use.
But you know what has?
There was a song called "50 Nifty United States" that
listed the states in alphabetical order.
And I know all the states in alphabetical
order from that song.
So when my kid is singing that there are seven continents,
she knows all the continents now from that
weird little ditty.

I think it's a defense mechanism.
But I can listen to sign a million times.
I go to another place.
She will want to listen to a song 7,000 times.
And I just go away.
That's the only way I can describe it.
Because I'm kind of like, hey, I know what it's
like to be on a jag.
So we're going to keep hitting repeat on this.
And it's fine.
You let me know when you've worked this out.
BRETT GUREWITZ: You know, I know exactly what you're
talking about.
And I think it is something to do with toddler's brains and
carving new neural pathways that are going to be really
great for them.
It's not that they have OCD.
Something's happening that's actually healthy and natural.
But I'll tell you something funny in our household.
Because my background before I was doing my label was I was
actually a mixer and a recording engineer.
And so those of us other guys in here who've done that stuff
know that in order to do that, you have to be able to hear a
song 10,000 times.
BRETT GUREWITZ: But what will happen is, I'm sympathetic to
my toddler daughter.
Here's my wife.
BRETT GUREWITZ: When Nico will get a favorite song, I will
literally put it in iTunes, and put it on repeat, and just
play it for her.
And I can handle it.
I feel that my profession has desensitized me to that.
I have no problem hearing a song 500 times.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Though, what's my excuse?
Like, what's wrong with me?
MIKE PHIRMAN: I have a song that's with a group I'm with
called Hard n'Phirm.
And we do a song about pi.
And the chorus is just the numbers, like
180 digits of pi.
And so after we do a show, people would be like how did
you possibly memorize that?
And it's the same answer.
Because I engineered it, and mixed it, and sat on it for so
long, eventually I didn't even have to try.
It's just in there.
BRETT GUREWITZ: But when you mix a song you have to hear it
for eight hours straight.
So I guess that's why we're immune to it.
GINA GUREWITZ: That's easy--
GINA GUREWITZ: --for you guys to say, because you didn't
have to just sing "Moon River" 18 times.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Ladies and gentlemen, Gina Gurewitz just
back from putting Nico to bed and apparently singing "Moon
River" 18 times in a row.
BRETT GUREWITZ: They just put you in the camera, look.
BRETT GUREWITZ: Kristen's friend and--
PAUL SABOURIN: Side note, Mike, before my older daughter
even knew who you were, she ended up finding "Pi"
somewhere online.
I mean, I knew who you were but I hadn't
played it for her.
She just found it online, like kids do, and managed to
memorize all of the lyrics to it before she ever met you.
PAUL SABOURIN: Which is, I'm pretty sure, a skill I appear
to have lost.
Like that's something I've found interesting.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Memorizing?
PAUL SABOURIN: Not memorizing, per se, but just sort of
listening to popular music or whatever I'm
listening to at the time.
And the lyrics really just sinking in
without even trying it.
Like, oh, I suddenly know all the words
to this entire album.
PAUL SABOURIN: Maybe I don't exercise that skill as much as
I don't listen to nearly as much music in general as I
used to when I was younger, because you have a
lot more time then.
But I'm afraid I'm just getting old
and can't do it anymore.
But that sort of fascinated me about both my kids.
And I don't know how you guys have found.
But your capacity to just suck in and remember lyrics to
stuff, maybe it's like learning a language.
Maybe it's easier when you're younger.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: You know what helps with that?
Listening to a song 100 times in a row.
PAUL SABOURIN: Well, yeah.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Yeah, your kids are older.
So you don't have to listen to the exact same song.
PAUL SABOURIN: Oh, you'd be surprised.
GINA GUREWITZ: That's true, Brett's teenage kids ruined
The White Stripes for us, and the Buzzcocks.
Just hearing it blasting out of their rooms.
BRETT GUREWITZ: There's an example.
I turned my kids on to the Buzzcocks when
they were small children.
And then they later grew to love them so much that now I
can't listen to them anymore, because they
just burned it out.

MIKE PHIRMAN: Hey, we have a couple of
people from the internet.
I'm keeping an eye on the Twitter interactions.
I don't know how to pronounce this correctly,
but I'll try it--
Soriah Betyeah says that "we listen to Dr.
Horrible in the car.
And the kids love it.
And it starts interesting conversations," interesting,
"about 'Lassie.'"
And then Maxwell Mud says, we like putting on various
Putumayo CDs so they get a taste of world music.
We also play Zeppelin, Pixies, Phish, et cetera, too.
Those are great CDs, by the way.
Putumayo, good background drums and
just cool world music.
I'm huge about those.
Those are great.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Sometimes world music though makes me
feel like I'm in a New York City subway
waiting for a train.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Maybe that's the California part.
I don't get that.
I mean, I know it.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Someone is laughing with me because they
know exactly what it's like.
JONATHAN COULTON: Are you talking about the guys who
play the bamboo flutes?
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Yeah, the bamboo flutes and the steel
drums, and you're just like, please, I just want my 9 train
to come so I can go home.

GINA GUREWITZ: I tried to get Kristen to go to the Summer
Sounds Series at the Hollywood Bowl with me.
And she was like, um, reggae music?
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: No, I don't like reggae music.
I am not relaxed at all.
I am not.
I just don't get this.
It's way, way too relaxed for me.
I listen to a lot of J-pop.
I mean, what else do you need to know about me?

And I know I'm complaining about kids' music.
But I'm like let's listen to Capsule and Perfume.
I don't make any sense.
But I didn't claim to.
PAUL SABOURIN: Long car rides in our family always seem to
end up reverting back to everyone singing along full
volume to the entire "Jesus Christ Superstar" original
concept album.
JONATHAN COULTON: That is the best.
Jonathan and I have been in tour bands in the past
together where we've subjected Storm, who did not grow up
with the proper training voice that Jonathan and I did, and
just the two of us just--
BRETT GUREWITZ: Is that the one with Ian
Gillian on lead vocals?
BRETT GUREWITZ: I love that one.
JONATHAN COULTON: I've found myself in a number of
situations where it just comes up that there are a number of
people there who really like that album.
And somebody will start singing a snippet of it.
And the other ones will immediately join in.
And you can get a good 15 or 20 minutes in before people
start to get really annoyed and make you stop.
BRETT GUREWITZ: I like that [INAUDIBLE] thing.
PAUL SABOURIN: I think of it as like the musical equivalent
of quoting "Monty Python" in a room full of nerds.
But you can't stop yourself.
PAUL SABOURIN: No, you can't.
JONATHAN COULTON: Once somebody starts going, you
just want to go there with them.

MIKE PHIRMAN: Let's see, we have from Brett Glass, "ask
Paul how has his career as a comedy musician writing ribald
lyrics affected his daughters.
Has its corrupted them?"
PAUL SABOURIN: Corrupted them?
Actually, thanks to be the calming influence of my wife,
I think they've managed to come up OK.
I mean, they've come up with pretty healthy senses of
humor, which we've tried to foster in them
from very early on.
And as the question mentions, a lot of our songs have adult
content or themes.
And within reason.
We never really try to mask them from it.
I mean, obviously I wasn't playing songs filled with
expletives when they were three or anything like that.
But once we felt like they were mature enough to
understand Daddy does this for a living.
And there are words here that Daddy uses
in a specific context.
And they're not necessarily words that you should repeat
to your teacher or friends or at school.
And luckily, they were pretty mature at a you age,
both of them were.
So I was lucky in that regard to not have to worry too much
about that.
JONATHAN COULTON: I think you should call your next album
Songs Filled With Expletives.
I think that's a great album title.
PAUL SABOURIN: I'm going to write that down.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Just don't type it, because the sound of
your typing is like Godzilla coming through the
MIKE PHIRMAN: Speaking of, by the way, musicals and things
like that, there is a great show that I want to mention.
Now again, my kids are very young so this applies to them.
And there's a show called-- well, one, there's the Yo
Gabba Gabba.
If you're looking for a show that has music in it, that is
a double-edged sword.
Because it is both musical and fun.
But it is also ear worms that have fangs and teeth, and just
eat your brain, and hang in there all year.
PAUL SABOURIN: Angry ear worms.
MIKE PHIRMAN: What's that?
PAUL SABOURIN: Angry ear worms.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Very angry ear worms that tell you to try it,
you'll like it, over and over and over.
But not a bad show.
But also, there's one that got cancelled.
But it's one of these shows that got cancelled before it
won Emmys and stuff, called "Jack's Big Music Show." And
if you haven't seen "Jack's Big Music Show,"
it's a great show.
PAUL SABOURIN: They're a great show.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Yeah, it's so cool.
It's muppeteers from "Sesame Street," and they have on
Justin Roberts and Laurie Berkner and proper kids'
musicians like mine.
But the whole thing is music.
And it's really done well.
And whenever they play guitar, their hands actually move in
the right way.
MIKE PHIRMAN: They go to a Tom, it'll play a Tom.
Like, it's that kind of good show.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Not like I actually really care.
And I think you can find it on Amazon.
And I think they rerun it sometimes so if you set a DVR
to record it.
PAUL SABOURIN: Phineas and Ferb has some really wonderful
music, I find.
For a television show, certainly.
I enjoy that a lot.
Also, Jonathan and I have had this discussion.
I am constantly tickled to death by the songs on
"Adventure Time," which are all kind
of deceptively simple.
And you have to worry about raising your kids to become
stoners, I guess, maybe, through osmosis.
MIKE PHIRMAN: And they're Yo Gabba Gabba acid friends.
But so many of the songs on that show are just wonderful
little deceptively clever and just wonderful little pieces
of whatever.
I just like them a lot, how's that?
JONATHAN COULTON: Agree strongly.
BRETT GUREWITZ: Brett, any shows?
Do they watch musicals of any kind?
Do you have music videos on?
Or what kind of stuff?
JONATHAN COULTON: Do you pretend that the "Sound of
Music" ends with the wedding and before
the whole Nazi part?
BRETT GUREWITZ: I'll let my "Sound of
Music" expert comment.
GINA GUREWITZ: Yes, she only watches the songs.
Like all of the narrative, she's just not
interested at all.
So we skip through "The King and I" from the song about
whistling to "Getting to Know You." So the whole film is
condensed into like 13 minutes.
It's great.
BRETT GUREWITZ: But see loves the songs, and she loves the
way that they're connected to the picture in the story.
And she makes up stories about them.
And they seem to stimulate her imagination a lot, even though
the plot to those films are adult-themed.
And they're really far too advanced for her.
But she just loves the lush cinematography and the sound.
She really gets into it.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: But that's really interesting about
musicals is that a lot of them do have incredibly adult
themes, or just adult situations.
Especially the older ones, the music is so, so good.
I mean, I loved "Pajama Game" when I was a kid.
And then as I got older I was like, oh my god, these are
about workers fighting for money.
And it's a completely different level that I didn't
realize when I was acting out the songs in my living room.
There's a lot of really good musicals out there that would
be good to introduce kids to.
Or just introduce them to music that's good music and
not necessarily pop music.
That's like I played "The Wall" probably-- see, I
started a lot of stuff way too early.
I get very like yeah, yeah, yeah, here, here, here, and
just try to dump all this stuff on my kids.
For instance, like from previous episodes where I
showed a one-year-old a clip from "The Hulk" thinking oh,
he'll dig this!
And like, no, you don't show that to a little kid.
I know that now.
But I showed him "The Muppet Movie" at, like, age 18-months
or something like that, 19-months, and thinking oh, an
animal gets big he's probably going to freak out
and stuff like that.
And he didn't really.
But I think he just didn't really catch on to any of it.
So I feel like I should go back and show him again.
And then a couple years later, show him again to get the next
level in there.
And then finally, when he's like 20, be like dude, you got
to see this movie now that you're an adult.
Now it's going to blow your mind.
JONATHAN COULTON: Boy, he's really going to love that
movie by the time you're done.

MIKE PHIRMAN: So we have a couple questions that came in
earlier today.
One is from Collin Surname.
And it says, "which of them has the longest word in one of
their songs?" Does anybody claim to have a very long word
in any of your songs?
PAUL SABOURIN: The longest word.

BRETT GUREWITZ: I don't know?
How do we--
GINA GUREWITZ: By syllables?
PAUL SABOURIN: At the end of "Opening Band," we sing the
word hello for 34 seconds.
Does that count to hold that note that long?
BRETT GUREWITZ: That's the longest note.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Longest word, or--
PAUL SABOURIN: Define your terms, people.
Define your terms.
BRETT GUREWITZ: My group has the word rectilinear in it.
Can anyone beat that?
JONATHAN COULTON: That's hard to beat.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: That's a big one, yeah.
PAUL SABOURIN: I can't believe Jonathan doesn't have the
longest word.
Come on, Jonathan.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Mandelbrot, is there anything in that?
JONATHAN COULTON: No, I don't think so.
And I never finished "Neumonoultramic
roscopicsylacoblacanaconiosis." That song, I never
finished that one.
You just did.
How much more can it be?
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: And now you've lost this competition.
PAUL SABOURIN: Or how about this, does "Pi" count?
JONATHAN COULTON: No, it's not a word.
It's a number.
BRETT GUREWITZ: For a number, pi would count.
MIKE PHIRMAN: That's a ratio.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: It's not a word.
It's a ratio.
Thank you, Mike.
It's all bent out of sheep.

Angry nerds are the best.
MIKE PHIRMAN: I can't believe we're even discussing this.
I mean, good lord.
PAUL SABOURIN: That's good, said Mike.

MIKE PHIRMAN: Actually, Brett should be the king, because he
has the longest word.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Put on your effect.
BRETT GUREWITZ: Hold on, me and Gina need mustaches then.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: No, if you have two people
you can't do it.
It's terrible.
BRETT GUREWITZ: You can't do it-- only one of us?
OK, I'll have the moustache.
GINA GUREWITZ: No, give it to me.
BRETT GUREWITZ: Watch, see, I'm doing it to me.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Gina, if you move your
head in front of him.
JONATHAN COULTON: You stole his moustache!
MIKE PHIRMAN: Stole his moustache, wow.

I've got to say, I've only seen videos of it online.
And I've only seen the DVD in the Fry's
Electronics goods store.
But there's a thing called Animusic.
Might be worth checking out because it is maybe some of
the most awesome 3D animation.
I'm going to go pick it after this.
Because, as I say, I realize I really should have that and
have it on the background.
It's very weird like syntho.
It's like electrosynthetic musical sounds.
But it's very cool.
It's crazy 3D animations that are all-- oh, we lost Paul.
And Brett and Gina are just passing a tiara back and forth
between them.
JONATHAN COULTON: I'm listening, Mike.
I'm listening.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Animusic is really cool.
You should look at Animusic for your geeky kid.
That's what I'm trying to say.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: The best part about this show is all
the people that are up way too late past their kids are all
like, oh my god.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: I'm tired, oh my god.
All of us, it always descends into all of complaining that
we're tired.
MIKE PHIRMAN: I feel like there are two things I want to
ask and talk about real quick.
We'll do this one first.
Any apps or iPad stuff for your mobile phones, or
computers, or anything like that that you guys recommend,
For instance, there's "Klimba." Just called
"Klimba," K-L- I- M-B- A which is good for the little kids.
Milo digs that.
One called "Sound Shaker" that was recommended on episode one
of this very program, which is awesome.
BRETT GUREWITZ: Gina's writing these down.
MIKE PHIRMAN: It's so cool.
I wrote it down from that episode and went and got it.
"Sound Shaker." It lets you create little balls and then
they fall down.
The longer you hold onto it, it gives it a different sound.
And then once they're all on the screen, you
just roll it around.
And it becomes a little wind chime.
They just bling into each other.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: That's a really app.
Actually, I think it's by Tickle Tap.
And Tickle Tap, a lot of their apps are where you can buy a
package of three or four of their apps.
And "Sound Shakers" is on there.
And they're a really good company.
MIKE PHIRMAN: And one called CamBox, which you take
pictures of yourself.
You just basically go--
And then you assign those to different buttons.
And it happens immediately, and then you have a drum
machine of you doing those things.
It's really cool.
BRETT GUREWITZ: That sounds cool.
MIKE PHIRMAN: That's CamBox--
C-A-M-B-O-X. What do you guys have with your kids?
BRETT GUREWITZ: My kids are pretty much just running
Logic, Pro Tools.

MIKE PHIRMAN: Any good plug ins that they can recommend?
BRETT GUREWITZ: There's a lot of good plug ins out there.
MIKE PHIRMAN: I just need a good EQ.

BRETT GUREWITZ: I like the Native Instrument stuff.

All the musicians are laughing.
The "Funkmasterz midi set for Superior Drummer
2.0" is quite excellent.
MIKE PHIRMAN: I've been pushing that so hard.
I don't want to take any drummers out of work, but man,
"Superior Drummer" by Toontrack.
JONATHAN COULTON: It's a good one.

BRETT GUREWITZ: We bought an app called "Duck Duck Moose"
for Nico when she was--
GINA GUREWITZ: No, no, "MusicalMe."
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: "MusicalMe," yeah,
that's a great app.
BRETT GUREWITZ: That's a good one.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Yeah, Duck Duck Moose is a great company.
They have really good apps.
And yeah, "MusicalMe," Vivian loves that, too.
GINA GUREWITZ: They're not very good at it, though.

MIKE PHIRMAN: As long as at the end of the game it comes
up with a little thing that says you are not
very good at this.
JONATHAN COULTON: Yeah, it says what are you, a child?
PAUL SABOURIN: You're pretty stupid.
Anthropologically, you are stupid.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Paul or Jonathan, any apps that you're
crazy about, music-wise?
PAUL SABOURIN: One of my favorites is very simple--
"Bebot." It's just a little on-screen theremin with an
adorable robot who sings as you move your finger around.
And it's got a few different settings.
But it's got multi-touch, so you can play multiple notes.
And it can lock into a certain scale, so you can't play a
wrong note.
You could just hand it to a baby.
And the baby will make music.
That's kind of exciting.
BRETT GUREWITZ: How do you spell "Bebot?"
BRETT GUREWITZ: And that's it, one word?
JONATHAN COULTON: One word, yeah.
PAUL SABOURIN: I second that recommendation.

I've had it for a long time, but never even really touched
it until recently.
I've been playing around with, of all things, "GarageBand"
for the iPad.
Which I found a lot more fun to mess around with than I had
been expecting.
JONATHAN COULTON: Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
It's kind of amazing what you can do with it.
And it does have a lot of ways of playing music where you
don't have to have a ton of skill to make something that
actually sounds pretty good.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Is "Garage Band" the one that has the little
slider that you just like, how complex do
you want your drumbeat?
And you're like, well, about that complex.

So I have a question for everybody here, too.

The question is, you can only give your child one album.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: What album do you give them?
JONATHAN COULTON: I guess Mike Phirman's album, probably.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: No, not the kiss ass answer.
MIKE PHIRMAN: I can't get to the sound effect fast enough.

GINA GUREWITZ: What do you think?
BRETT GUREWITZ: One album for their entire life?
You can only gift them one album and then you drop dead.
BRETT GUREWITZ: All right, they're not to like it for a
while, but I guess it'd be "Exile on Main St."
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Oh, interesting.
BRETT GUREWITZ: Yeah, sorry kids.
You won't like this until you're older.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Gina, you get to answer, too.
What album would have?
GINA GUREWITZ: I don't know.
I'm trying to think.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Would you like us to come back to you?
Or would you like to think about that?
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: While you're slowly hiding "Exile on
Main St" someplace.

GINA GUREWITZ: Yeah, go to somebody else.
Let me think about it.
Does a greatest hits album count?
It could be anything.
It's your kid, not mine.
PAUL SABOURIN: It's not a very creative answer.
But you know the two "Beatles Greatest Hits" ones?
Like, the old era and the newer era one?
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Yeah, the red one and the blue one.
PAUL SABOURIN: Probably the older era "Beatles Greatest
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: That was actually my first album that I
bought with my own money was that one.
JONATHAN COULTON: I would say probably the "Kenny G
Christmas Record."
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Do you hate your children?
JONATHAN COULTON: Just to teach them a lesson.
MIKE PHIRMAN: But then what will you have?
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: To teach them a lesson.
JONATHAN COULTON: It would be interesting if that was the
only music you had ever heard in your entire life is the
"Kenny G Christmas Album." What would happen to you when
you started playing other stuff?
You'd be like one of those kids raised
by wolves, I think.
Except you'd be raised by Kenny G.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: My parents were not big music people.
And when I sort of got old enough, I was like, I'm going
to go raid their albums.
All they had was Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass, which
is awesome.
And a record about how to belly dance for your husband,
which was mildly disturbing.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: It's like, that's it.
MIKE PHIRMAN: With like, now place your right leg-- like
that kind of thing?
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: I didn't listen to it.
I just quietly slid it back amongst all
the other Herb Alperts.
JONATHAN COULTON: Boy, there's a story behind
that record, I bet.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: And I don't want to know it.
PAUL SABOURIN: That's an entire John Cheever short
story in one album.

MIKE PHIRMAN: I think I would give him "The Carl Stalling
Project," just so he can run around and do things through
his whole life with just a little bit of heightened

I'm presuming if he gets one album, he doesn't
get TV and all that.
So this way he gets to live his entertainment.
GINA GUREWITZ: I think "Sgt. Pepper's."
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Yeah, "Sgt. Pepper's."
GINA GUREWITZ: That was an album that my parents had when
I was a kid.
And I remember my sister and I would literally act out the
entire album.
So it's something that can really stay
with them from childhood.
BRETT GUREWITZ: Who did that album?
MIKE PHIRMAN: The Monkees, I think, right?
It was the Bee Gees.
It was that movie with them and Andy Gibb.
MIKE PHIRMAN: That's what I was trying to think of.
BRETT GUREWITZ: Wasn't that Peter Frampton?
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Peter Frampton, yeah, it was Peter
Frampton and Aerosmith.
Aerosmith's on that album.
BRETT GUREWITZ: That was a terrible movie.
Why would you give them that?
That movie was so terrible.
The Bee Gees.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: That movie is like "Star Wars Christmas
Special," that movie.

PAUL SABOURIN: Really, it's tough to measure the mountains
of cocaine that were being done behind the scenes, just
off-camera, sometimes on-camera.
BRETT GUREWITZ: I'm going to go watch that
movie now that we--
PAUL SABOURIN: It's so awful.
It's so terrible.
MIKE PHIRMAN: I've never actually seen it.
I've never seen it.
And I wonder if I'll enjoy it because you guys are saying
it's so bad.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: No, you will not.
JONATHAN COULTON: You will not enjoy it.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: You will not enjoy it.
It's just like the "Star Wars Christmas Special" where you
think this is going to be ironic and fun.
And then you spend the rest of the hour screaming and clawing
at your face trying to get it to stop.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Thank you for saving me that hour.
I've saved you an hour of your life.
That's a life debt.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Hey, so we're kind of over time.
I have more questions.
Or what are we doing?
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Let's ask a couple more questions and
then we'll--
MIKE PHIRMAN: OK, these are personal
wrap-up kind of things.
Things like, Brett, this comes from Milton Fledgecow.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: You're making these names up.
Twitter made them up.
"Any info on the upcoming Bad Religion album?
That would be amazing."
BRETT GUREWITZ: Yeah, there's not really any info.
MIKE PHIRMAN: And that's why it would be amazing.
BRETT GUREWITZ: Hold on, I'll give a little bit.
It's finished.
We finally finished it.
We finished mixing it.
And we're making plans to announce the release date and
those sorts of things.
PAUL SABOURIN: That's kind of a lot of info, actually.
BRETT GUREWITZ: Well, but that's not any new info.
MIKE PHIRMAN: How hands-on are you, by the way,
in the mixing stage?
BRETT GUREWITZ: I mixed the album.
MIKE PHIRMAN: What's that?
MIKE PHIRMAN: Did you really?
Oh, cool.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: That's pretty hands-on.
BRETT GUREWITZ: I wrote a lot of it, played on a lot
of it, mixed it.
And I mixed it with Joe Barresi.

We'll be making an announcement about the street
date, and titles, and things like that in early November.
You heard it here first, I think.
BRETT GUREWITZ: Yeah, that's true.
You heard that first.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Totally heard that first.
MIKE PHIRMAN: We've never had a story break.
That's pretty cool.
JONATHAN COULTON: Nice going, Scoop.

MIKE PHIRMAN: All right, on to Jonathan.
"Is Charlotte, North Carolina gig still a go?" From Warren.
JONATHAN COULTON: The Charlotte, North Carolina gig?
I have to check my own website.
MIKE PHIRMAN: "Are you touring So Cal anytime
soon?" Laura asks.
I'm actually going to be in LA on the 24th of November.
And yeah, Charlotte gig is still on for December 6.
Actually that 24th is the first show.
I'm doing a tour all across the bottom part of the country
in November, December.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: You're not implying the underbelly.
You're just saying the bottom part?
MIKE PHIRMAN: He's Southern, you can just say.
JONATHAN COULTON: The bottom, the butt.
MIKE PHIRMAN: The lesser part.
JONATHAN COULTON: The Nation's butt.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: The Nation's butt.
MIKE PHIRMAN: "And where do you get your hair done?"
Jordan Carol wants to know.

JONATHAN COULTON: I go to a salon.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Do you have to check your website?
JONATHAN COULTON: I have to check my website
for that, too, yeah.
I go to the same lady my wife goes to, because I don't know
how to make my own decisions.

"Paul, can you be in San Francisco, San Jose, or Santa
Cruz again?" From--
PAUL SABOURIN: We would love for it to be.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Any w00tstock upcoming plans?
PAUL SABOURIN: Nothing specific.
The problem is, for anyone who doesn't know, w00tstock is
this sort of variety show that we host with Wil Wheaton and
Adam Savage.
And the problem is getting Wil Wheaton and Adam Savage in the
same city at the same time available for a thing.
JONATHAN COULTON: Because they hate each other, right?
PAUL SABOURIN: Well, they hate each other.
And they're very busy.
And there's the blood feud.
PAUL SABOURIN: But it's just very difficult to get the four
of us into a single setting.
And to get people to be able to commit that far out where
we can put a venue and start making it happen.
Because they're show business people who
have very busy lives.
But it's not for lack of wanting.
And we're hoping to have some more coming
up in the next year.
And Daniel Porter asks to all, "any Australian tours in the
works for anybody?"
I would love to.
I don't have anything planned.
But some day I would really, really like to get there.

Well, you guys.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Thank you to all of you.
MIKE PHIRMAN: I think we're pretty much there, yeah.
Thank you so much.
JONATHAN COULTON: Thank you, guys.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Before we go, I wanted to tell Jonathan,
when Vivian was born, I sang the "Portal" song to her.
JONATHAN COULTON: Oh, that's very sweet, I guess.
PAUL SABOURIN: Like, as she was being born?
As she was coming out of the portal?
MIKE PHIRMAN: And the weird thing is, she
came out of a wall.
I shot a hole in the wall in blue and then orange.
JONATHAN COULTON: She fell from the ceiling to the floor,
and then ceiling to floor, ceiling to floor.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: Passing me, passing me, passing me, I
don't know how to stop this.
JONATHAN COULTON: That's very sweet.
I always like to hear that.
I always like to think about people singing my songs to
their children.
It's heartwarming.
MIKE PHIRMAN: I feel bad when somebody will tell me that
their kid listens to-- oh, we listen to "Chicken Monkey
Duck" every day.
I'm like, awesome.
JONATHAN COULTON: You know what that means.

MIKE PHIRMAN: Well hey, you guys, thank you so much for
coming on the show.
And again, check out, right, Jonathan?
That's probably the hub of your stuff, I would imagine.
JONATHAN COULTON: Yep, I just went to that website.
There's a lot of good information there.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: You needed to check out what
your dates were, yes.
MIKE PHIRMAN: So it's still up, good.
And Paul Sabourin, what's the best way to find you guys?
MIKE PHIRMAN:, very good.
And Brett Gurewitz, where could people keep a tab on the
next breaking news?
BRETT GUREWITZ: They could go do and also
MIKE PHIRMAN: By the way, when Kristen said you were going to
show, I was like Epitaph, where did I just see that?
And it's literally on my desk.
Right down here at the bottom it says Epitaph.
My buddy Tony Thaxton is the drummer for a band on the--
BRETT GUREWITZ: Yeah, that's right.
Long time Epitaph artists, yeah.
MIKE PHIRMAN: Yeah, "Motion City Soundtrack," good album.
I feel like Jay Leno all of a sudden, hey, Motion City
Soundtrack, good album.

KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: I totally just had a mom moment, a mom
thing, where I was like and see, this is why you should be
nice to everybody because you just never know who's going to
be watching.

MIKE PHIRMAN: We do this show the second
Tuesday of every month.
And do we know what the next show's going to be?
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: So far the next show is going to be
"Geeks To Be." and it should Blair Herter and Jessica
Chobot who are expecting a tiny geekling next year,
unless something happens and they aren't available.
But that is what have planned for the next episode, for our
Thanksgiving episode.
And this will go up on YouTube.
And you can leave comments down below.
And you can fight about religion and all kinds of
stuff down there.
KRISTEN RUTHERFORD: And someone will come on and say,
why are you guys talking about your kids on a parent show?
Get ready.
MIKE PHIRMAN: In Romney's America, no one would ever--

Thank you guys very much for hanging out with us today.
And I think that's it.
Bye, everybody.
Thank you.
BRETT GUREWITZ: Thanks for hanging out.