Informal 09/13/11 Session part 1 - Norfolk City Council


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ARE YOU READY IN LET'S GET STARTED, IT'S 5:15, I UNDERSTAND TOMMY WON'T BE HERE AND JERI
IS ON HER WAY. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WE HAVE A SHORT AGENDA
FOR YOU TONIGHT IN TERMS OF VOLUME BUT IN TERMS OF THE DISCUSSION, IT'S ONE OF THE BETTER
DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD IN A WHILE IN TERMS OF UPDATE OF THE GENERAL PLAN, SOMETHING THE
CITY HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE LAST 18 MONTHS AND I THINK IT'S SOME GOOD INFORMATION TO
SHARE WITH YOU TONIGHT. BEFORE WE GO TO COUNCIL INTEREST AND ISSUES,
I HAVE JOHN PIPER HERE AND WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO DEBRIS PICK UP,
I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW ABOUT WHERE WE ARE AND SOME OF THE CHANGES WE'RE MAKING OVER
THE SHORT TERM. >> AND SOME MAPS AND STATUS REPORT ON THE
CLEAN UP HERE. >> THE CLEAN UP CONTINUES TO MOVE ALONG, WE'RE
IN OUR THIRD WEEK OF CLEAN UP AND WE EXPECT TO HAVE CLEANED UP ONE YEAR'S WORTH OF DEBRIS
BY THE END OF THIS WEEK, ABOUT 40,000 CUBIC YARDS.
WE EXPECT IT WILL TAKE ANOTHER WEEK TO GET THROUGH THE FIRST PASS OF THE CITY, WE GET
>> ANOTHER TWO WEEKS? >> YES, SIR, FOR THE FIRST PASS AND THEN WHAT
WE WILL DO IS GO THROUGH AND MAKE A SECOND AND IF NECESSARY THIRD PASS, BUT AS STUFF
CONTINUES TO COME OUT THERE ARE AREAS WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF DEBRIS AND IT TAKES A LOT
OF TIME TO GO THROUGH IT. WE HAVE CONTINUED TO MEET THE REGULAR GARBAGE
AND RECYCLING SCHEDULE, WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR CLEAN UP OF MATERIALS.
WE FOCUSED ON SCHOOLS AND THEN WITH THE AREA WITH FLOOD DEBRIS.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WORK NOTHING DIFFERENT AREAS, OUR CITY FORCES HAVE WORKED EACH WEEKEND AND
WILL CONTINUE, WE HAVE BEEN DIVERTING OUR STREETS AND STORM WATER CREWS ENTIRELY TO
THE DEBRIS CLEAN UP THIS WEEK. CONTRACTOR HAS 26 DIFFERENT TEAMS OUT WITH
MORE COMING LATER THIS WEEK. WE HAVE RECEIVED GREAT SUPPORT TO PRETTY MUCH
ALL OF OUR TRUCKS ARE UP, WE HAD DROP OFF CENTERS DIDN'T GET AS MUCH USE MAYBE AS WE HAVE IN OTHER STORMS.
WE CLOSED THE ZOO AFTER THIS WEEKEND, WE WILL KEEP THE SITE AT THE RAMADA INN THROUGH THE
NEXT WEEKEND, WE ARE WORKING IN A NUMBER OF AREAS, CALVIN PARK, NORTH SIDE, LAKE SHORE,
HUNTERSVILLE AND GLENN ROCK, WE'LL BE WORKING IN THOSE AREAS TODAY, TOMORROW AND THROUGH
THE NEXT WEEKEND, OUR INTENTIONS ARE TO GET THROUGH THIS IN TWO WEEKS AND THEN START GOING
BACK AGAIN. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT
ALL OF THAT. >> SO YOU THINK WITH THE TWO WEEKS YOU WILL
HAVE IT ALL DONE, THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? >> NO, WE'LL MAKE THE FIRST PASS IN THE FIRST
TWO WEEKS, IF PEOPLE CONTINUE TO PUT STUFF OUT WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AT LEAST ONE MORE
TIME, IN SOME CASES TWO MORE TIMES, IT MAY TAKE ANOTHER MONTH OR SO TO MAKE THAT SECOND
PASS. PEOPLE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CUT UP SOME STUFF
AND GET IT TO THE CURB UNTIL THE FUTURE WEEKENDS. >> I KNOW YOU ARE WORKING HARD, BUT, JOHN,
I SEE LIKE HERE IN OLD DOMINION, WHAT IS THE INITIAL COLLECTION START?
>> IT MEANS WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE IN SOME PART OF THAT PLANNING DISTRICT, SO, SOME STREETS
ARE DONE, NOT ALL, SO, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE, SOME OF THEM WILL BE COMPLETELY
COVERED AND SOME NOT. >> BUT, JOHN, YOU'VE ALSO MADE CHANGES IN
THE LAST 48 HOURS IN THE WAY YOU ARE USING YOUR STAFF.
>> YES, WE ARE OUR CITY STAFF, WE HAVE BEEN AGAIN DIVERTING OUR STORM WATER AND STREET
FOLKS ENTIRELY, THEY ARE WORKING DOWN IN THE RIVERS FORCE TODAY AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO
USE THEM AND WORK THROUGH THE WEEKEND UNTIL WE HAVE IT DONE.
AND WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN THE CONTRACTING. >> HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO ISABEL?
>> IT SEEMS LIKE IT WILL BE ABOUT A TENTH OF WHAT ISABEL HAD.
AND ISABEL, IT'S TOOK US UNTIL CHRISTMAS TO GET THROUGH THE FIRST GOOD PASS.
SEEMS LIKE WE WILL HAVE 100,000 CUBIC YARDS AND I THINK WE HAD A MILLION WITH ISABEL.
>> OKAY. I THINK ALL OF US ARE FIELDING CERTAIN QUESTIONS
WITH IT. >> WE DO HAVE A HEALTH LINE, THERE IS INFORMATION
ON THE WEBSITE, IF PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM THEY CAN GIVE US A CALL AND WE CAN GIVE MORE SPECIFIC
INFORMATION WHEN WE WILL GET TO THEIR PARTED OF THE CITY.
>> ONE OTHER QUESTION. OVER ON GOFF STREET, I THINK THAT IS WHERE
A LOT OF THE DEBRIS IS TAKEN AND THE TREES ARE PILED UP.
>> YES. >> DOES THAT MULCH BELONG TO THE CONTRACTOR
OR FREE TO THE PUBLIC. >> IT BELONGS TO THE CONTRACTOR BECAUSE HE'S
RECYCLING IT, WE'RE NOT BEING CHARGED FOR THE DISPOSAL.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT HE WILL DO WITH IT.
>> I DROVE THROUGH PARK PLACE AND IT [INAUDIBLE]. IT WAS A HOT MESS.
>> OKAY. >> AND THAT'S PUTTING IT MILDLY.
>> I'LL HAVE SOMEBODY LOOK AT IT. >> THANK YOU.
>> PARK PLACE. >> OKAY.
THANK YOU, JOHN. APPRECIATE IT.
COUNCIL CONCERNS? >> THANK YOU.
>> I THINK I DROVE ANN TO LEAVE. POOR LADY, SHE'S NOT A PERFECT CHILD.
>> ONE OF THE CONCERNS HAS BEEN PLAYING SOME OF THE PARENTS AND RESIDENTS AROUND CAMPUSES
OF ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IS TRAFFIC THAT FLOWS FROM [INAUDIBLE] AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
HAS DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB, PUBLIC WORKS HAS DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB, BUT FOR SOME REASON
WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO REALLY CONTROL THAT TRAFFIC, AND THE PRINCIPAL, STAFF AND PARENTS
AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ARE CONCERNED SOME OF THE CHILDREN COULD GET HURT.
I THINK THEY HAVE 800 STUDENT, SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THIS MORNING, IN OUR
TASK FORCE MEETING, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, HE WAS OVER THERE, HE HAS A REP AND HEARD
EXACTLY HOW THE RESIDENTS FELT ABOUT IT, HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
ONE OF THE RESIDENTS MENTIONED MAYBE A LIGHT THERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK IN
TRYING TO MAKE THE TRAFFIC MOVE THROUGH, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE SAME PROBLEM AT ONE TIME
AT BERKELEY AVENUE, THE YOUNG FELLOW GETTING KILLED, WE PUT A LIGHT THERE, LET'S HOPE WE
CAN DO SOMETHING TO DO SOMETHING BEFORE ONE OF THE STUDENTS GETS HURT OVER THERE.
THAT'S ALL I HAD. >> OKAY.
>> I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS. ONE ON MODIFYING PROVISIONS OF CONCERN [INAUDIBLE]
TALKING ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO WITHIN 100 FEET OF RESIDENCES, THAT DOESN'T APPLY IN
ANY WAY THEY COULD STAY OVER UNTIL 2. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
IN OTHER WORDS, I KNOW YOU ARE PUTTING RESTRICTIONS ON PEOPLE WHO ARE 100 FEET FROM RESIDENCES,
WHAT I'M ASKING, THAT DOESN'T IMPLY NOT WITHIN 100 FEET THEY CAN STAY OPEN UNTIL 2:00.
>> NO, YOU STILL HAVE THE ABILITY >> AS FAR AS LIMITING.
I DIDN'T WANT US DOING ANYTHING OKAY. THE SECOND THING IS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE JUST
GONE THROUGH THIS HURRICANE AND I GUESS I'VE TALKED WITH THE MAYOR ABOUT IT AND WE'VE HAD
THE STUDY, THE FLOODING STUDY. HAVE WE FORMALLY ASKED OUR CONGRESSIONAL PEOPLE,
SAID WE ARE IN TROUBLE, COULD YOU STEP IN? WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP IN GETTING AHEAD OF
THE DISASTER AS FAR AS FLOODING IS CONCERNED RATHER THAN REACTING LIKE THE GOVERNMENT DID
DOWN IN NEW ORLEANS, HAVE WE MADE ANY WHERE ARE WE?
ARE WE READY TO CALL OUR TELL GAY SHUNS IN AND SAY, GUYS, WE HAVE TO GO FIGHT THIS?
WE HAVE TO START FIXING THIS OR HAVE WE JUST GOTTEN THE STUDY AND WE ARE JUST SITTING
>> COUNCILMAN, WE DO HAVE THE STUDY, WE DID SET ASIDE SOME FUNDS IN ORDER FOR US TO BE
FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, SHOVEL READY IN TERMS OF FEDERAL FUNDS THAT BECOME AVAILABLE
TO US, BUT YOU ARE CORRECT, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO UP THE ANTE AND MEET WITH THE
DELEGATION. >> I THINK WE SHOULD GET ALL OF OUR FEDERALLY
ELECTED OFFICIALS [INAUDIBLE], WHOEVER, WORK OUT A PLAN WHERE WE ARE GOING.
WE GOT THE STUDIES, MAYBE THEY CAN DO SOMETHING. I WOULD SAY THEY HAVE SOME OBLIGATION TO GIVE
BACK TO US. SO, CAN WE SET A PLAN TO GET OUR NEEDS, GET
THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE, I HATE TO BE SITTING HERE TWO YEARS FROM NOW, TRY TO BE PRO ACTIVE.
ALSO I'M ASKING, THE COMMISSIONER HAS NOT BEEN INVOLVED
>> SHE HAS BEEN INVOLVED BUT SHE HAS AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW THE MANAGER WAS GOING
TO PROPOSE WE DELAY THAT SO WE CAN WORK THROUGH THAT OR PROCEED TONIGHT.
WILL YOU A DRESS THIS? >> MY UNDERSTANDING RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE
QUESTION RELATES TO HOW IT WILL BE EXECUTED, HOW THE PROCESS WILL ACTUALLY WORK, BUT IN
TERMS OF THE DRAFTING, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE HAS BEEN SOME LEVEL OF DISCUSSION ABOUT
TAX DELINQUENCIES IN GENERAL. >> I MEAN IS IT YOUR FEELING AS OUR ATTORNEY THAT WE NEED
TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS? >> I THINK THE VICE MAYOR MIGHT BE ABLE TO
WEIGH IN ON WHETHER IT WOULD IMPACT >> I'M TALKING THE NEXT MEETING.
>> YES. >> I WOULD YIELD AND ALLOW THE STAFF TALK
ABOUT THAT. >> I DON'T HEAR ANYBODY SAYING IT OUGHT TO
BE DELAYED TONIGHT, I'M PREPARED >> LET ME JUST SAY THIS: IN THE ABSENCE OF
THIS, WHAT WE ARE DOING >> I DON'T SEE ANYBODY IS QUESTIONING WE NEED
MORE TOOLS TO COLLECT. >> NO, WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY, IN TERMS OF
LIENING BUSINESS' BANK ACCOUNTS WHICH COULD AFFECT THEIR ABILITY TO MAKE PAYROLL, OTHER
MUNICIPALITIES DON'T DO THIS, WE DRAFTED THIS ORDINANCE OFF A NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITY,
WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. >> WHICH ONE?
>> CHESAPEAKE OR PORTSMOUTH. >> WE ARE JUST TRYING TO GET IN STEP AND IN
LINE USING THE SAME TOOLS. >> I'M NOT CRITICIZING, THE FACT WE WANT TO
BE EFFICIENT, THIS IS NOT TO HURT BUSINESSES, THIS IS TO HELP OUR BODY.
>> WILL POINT OUT ALL THE PLAYERS HAVE BEEN AT THE TABLE.
>> YOU HAVE HAD MEETINGS WITH CITY STAFF, BUDGET OFFICE, SHE WAS THERE, SHE WAS AT THE
MEETING, HER STAFF WAS AT THE MEETING WHEN WE MET WITH THE BUDGET OFFICE.
DOWN IN THE BUDGET OFFICE. SO, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS.
>> I HAVE CONCERNS, HERE AGAIN I'M ALL ABOUT COLLECTING BUT WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE, IF
YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW [INAUDIBLE] BUT IF YOU CAN'T GET A BUSINESS LICENSE.
>> EXCUSE ME? >> NOW THIS ORDINANCE SAYS YOU CANNOT GET
A BUSINESS LICENSE. >> WHAT THIS DOES IS FORCE THE BUSINESS TO
COME IN AND, ONE, EDUCATE THEMSELVES ON THE PROCESS IN TERMS OF THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SENDING
OUT THE FORMS IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT WHAT THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY IS, THEN AT THAT POINT
THEY CAN QUESTION THE COMMISSIONER, WHAT HAVE YOU, WE HAVE A DUTY TO COLLECT.
WE FIND OUT IT WAS ERRONEOUS, THEY COME OVER AND PAY IT, IF THERE IS A HARDSHIP IT ALLOWS
JUNE 1ST, BUT WE ARE NOT TRYING TO PUT BUSINESSES OUT OF BUSINESS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY
WE HAVE TAXES TO COLLECT AND WE ARE COLLECTING THEM THAT IS OWED TO THE CITY.
WE'VE HAD BUSINESSES TO COME IN, WE KNOW THIS IS WORKING, BUT THE WAY THAT WE ARE HAVING
TO DO IT NOW, TO ME, IS WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO, OTHER MUNICIPALITIES, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE
TO LIEN A BANK ACCOUNT AND ADVERSELY AFFECT SOMEBODY'S BANK ACCOUNT.
WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US, AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE MANUALLY DOING THIS AND
WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO, BUT IF WE PUT THIS ORDINANCE IN PLACE, THEN WHAT HAPPENS IS ONCE THEY HAVEN'T
PAID THEY HAVE TO COME TO US. WET DON'T HAVE TO GO LOOK FOR A NEEDLE IN
A HAYSTACK. >> [INAUDIBLE]
>> THAT'S NOT THE CASE. IF THEY COME IN AND CAN'T PAY IT ALL, WE HAVE
UNTIL JUNE 1ST. BUT AT THIS TIME THEY GET FURTHER BEHIND OR
IN MANY CASES WE'VE SEEN SO FAR, IN MANY CASES SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN ERRONEOUSLY
ASSESSED AND WE HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE WE ARE WAITING FOR THESE REFUNDS TO COME BEFORE THE
COUNCIL SO WE CAN REFUND THE MONEY, THAT 10%. WE HAVE TO PAY THEM 10% INTEREST ON THAT MONEY.
>> ACTUALLY NOT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. >> NO, THAT'S A STATE CODE.
THAT'S THE STATE. >> I DON'T WANT TO GET I WANT TO BE EFFICIENT,
I JUST >> ALL I'M SAYING IS
>> NOT BEEN PART OF THIS NEGOTIATION. >> WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR THE
LAST YEAR AND A HALF. >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING [INAUDIBLE]
>> THAT'S A BUSINESS. >> $2.9 MILLION.
>> THESE ACCOUNTS FALL OFF EVERY FIVE YEARS, OKAY?
AND, SO, AGAIN YOU HAVE A WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY >> LIMITATION IS FIVE YEARS?
>> YES. >> WE HAVE SOME THAT HAVE BEEN HANGING
>> THEY FALL OFF AFTER THAT. BUT THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM, SO, WE ARE TRYING
TO MITIGATE THE PROBLEM AND WE TRIED WE ARE BRINGING IT TO THE COUNCIL.
>> [INAUDIBLE] >> BEEN OUT FOUR AND A HALF YEARS.
>> I CAN'T SPEAK TO IT, I'VE NOT BEEN THERE FOUR AND A HALF YEARS, I CAN ONLY SPEAK TO
WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. >> SO, WHAT I'M HEARING IS [INAUDIBLE]
>> [INAUDIBLE] THAT PARTICULAR STATUTE COMES UNDER HER PURVIEW, SHE SAYS SHE COULDN'T PAY
IT TONIGHT, HAS NO WAY OF PAYING IT. >> [INAUDIBLE] WOULD IT BE DETRIMENTAL TO
WAITING, GIVE HER AN OPPORTUNITY. >> SHE MIGHT COLLECT THE TAX.
>> COULD WE MAKE THAT, CAN THE ATTORNEY TELL US ABOUT THAT?
>> THE COMMISSIONER DOES A COUPLE THINGS, BUT THE BUSINESS STATUTE THAT PERMITS THIS
SPECIFICALLY, THAT ALLOWS A LOCALITY TO PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITS THE ISSUANCE OF
BUSINESS LICENSES, WHERE A BUSINESS HAS DELINQUENT TAXES, AND THE TREASURER COLLECTS THE MAJORITY
OF THE TAXES, THERE ARE SOME TAXES LIKE PEOPLE WHO ARE SELF ASSESSING, AND THE REVENUES COME
THROUGH THE COMMISSIONER TO THE TREASURER, IT'S THE TREASURER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO COLLEGE
THOSE, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS, BUT THE TREASURER PRIMARILY IS THE COLLECTION
AGENCY, THE COMMISSIONER PRIMARILY IS THE TREASURER JUST COLLECTS.
GIVEN THE STATUTE THAT PERMITS THE ORDINANCE, THAT IS THE ONLY MOST LOGICAL CHOICE FOR DETERMINING
WHETHER THERE'S A DELINQUENCY FROM STATE STATUTE THAT PERMITS IT.
>> IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS COMFORTABLE [INAUDIBLE] >> I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT.
WHAT I CAN SPEAK TO IS WHY WOULD YOU PROHIBIT US FROM WHAT I CAN DO.
>> I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT IT IS THE RIGHT THING. >> MAYOR, SHE DOES NOT COLLECT IT, SHE HAS
NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. YOU'VE GOT A BUSINESS LICENSE
>> I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE, IF WE GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE HOW IT WILL
BE IMPLEMENTED AND CARRIED OUT, HOW EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS IT.
>> WHAT IS EVERYBODY? >> COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUSINESS MEMBERS AND GIVE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN. >> SHE'S HAD SOME.
>> I'M NOT >> I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GET
THIS HAS BEEN PUSHED OFF THAT IT BE PUSHED OFF, NOW IT'S BEING PUSHED OFF AGAIN.
>> THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD. >> FIRST I'VE HEARD.
>> IT NOT THE FIRST TIME WE'VE BROUGHT THIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
>> I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT COLLECTION, I KNOW, ALL THAT, WHY EVEN PUT IT DOWN.
TO ME YOU'RE BEING HARD HEADED. >> I'M NOT BEING HARD HEADED.
>> PUT THE WHOLE THING DOWN. >> I'M NOT SAYING VOTE IT UP OR VOTE IT DOWN,
WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE TAKEN OFF THE TABLE AGAIN, WHAT WE ARE
DOING NOW IS TO THE DETRIMENT TO A BUSINESS MORE SO THAN THIS ORDINANCE, THIS ORDINANCE
WILL ONLY HELP BUSINESS, OKAY? WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW, MANUALLY, IN THE ABSENCE
OF THIS BOARD, OKAY, WHAT WE ARE DOING IS COMING TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH IT
>> I'M NOT ARGUING. I'M JUST SAYING WE OUGHT TO HAVE SOME KIND
OF AUDIT DOWNSTAIRS, IF YOU ARE INVOLVED INTIMATELY WITH FINANCING OF THE CITY, WHAT I'M SAYING
IF IT IS SO CRITICAL IN FOUR AND A HALF YEARS, WE ARE NINE MONTHS AND TWO WEEKS, IT CAME
WAY BEFORE THAT. >> DO YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS.
>> IF YOU ARE TELLING ME WE WILL LOSE $10 MILLION IF WE DON'T DO IT TODAY, THAT'S ANOTHER
THING. >> FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS WE'VE LOST HALF
A MILLION DOLLARS. >> WHY DIDN'T WE DO IT TWO YEARS AGO.
>> WE'VE BEEN TRYING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS TO GET THE ORDINANCE DONE.
>> TRYING HOW? >> WE WORKED WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.
>> COME ON. DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE IT OR NOT.
>> I WOULD THINK WE OUGHT TO GIVE IT AT LEAST A WEEK.
>> WE ARE NOT HERE NEXT WEEK. >> WE ARE MEETING
>> MANAGER SAYS CLERK SAYS WE ARE NOT HERE NEXT WEEK.
WHAT DOUBT WANT TO DO? ENOUGH OF THIS.
>> WE NEED TO CONTINUE IT. >> IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO VOTE RETREAT IT
IS AN OPTION. IT IS A MEETING
>> FOR TWO WEEKS. >> I DON'T THINK TWO WEEKS WOULD KILL ANYBODY.
I THINK BUSINESS OWNERS ARE AWARE OF WHAT WE ARE DOING, THEY UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS,
AND THEY WILL APPRECIATE IT. >> THERE REALLY DOES APPEAR, HOWEVER, I WILL
INTERJECT [INAUDIBLE] THERE REALLY DOES APPEAR [INAUDIBLE] THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE THE SIGNIFICANT
ISSUE OF >> WHAT?
>> THERE SEEMS TO BE A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE INVOLVED IF WE DO WAIT.
>> THERE ARE LETTERS TO GET OUT, INSTRUCTIONS TO THE BUSINESS, YES, AND WE DO THAT.
>> I'M PREPARED TO VOTE TONIGHT, AND I AM AT A PREPARED TO VOTE POINT.
ONLY QUESTION I HAVE TOYS MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH VOTES THAT WE CAN
>> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO VOTE AGAINST IT.
>> NOBODY WANTS TO VOTE IT DOWN, WE JUST WANT TO WAIT AND GET EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM.
>> SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE TWO WEEKS IN THE INTERIM IS THE QUESTION, I THINK IF THAT
BE THE CASE, PAUL, IF I'M GETTING >> [INAUDIBLE]
>> IF DO YOU WAIT TWO WEEKS, WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION THAT WILL OCCUR IN TWO WEEKS?
WILL WE GET A MEMO FROM THE OFFICE THERE WILL BE A CHANGE?
THAT'S REALLY AS A GOVERNING BODY LAY WE NEED TO EXAMINE, IS WHAT IS GOING TO OCCUR IN TWO
WEEKS, THERE NEEDS TO BE A PLAN. >> AND AS I UNDERSTAND
>> I DON'T KNOW. >> THE MANAGER, THE COMMISSIONER HAS RELATED
TO YOU SHE DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM TO THE ORDINANCE, IT'S HOW IT WILL BE EXECUTED, COULDN'T THAT
BE THE SUBJECT OF THE DISCUSSION AFTER WE PASS THE ORDINANCE.
>> THE TWO THINGS SHE RELAYED TO ME WAS THE COORDINATION ON THE FRONT END AND HOW IT WOULD
BE EXECUTED ON THE BACK END. >> IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EXECUTED TOMORROW.
THERE'S LOGISTICAL WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE. TO PREPARE FOR IT.
SO PASSING THE ORDINANCE TODAY JUST GIVES US THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO START GETTING
OUR DUCKS IN A ROW IN DEALING WITH THESE BUSINESSES AND NOT HAVE THEM DO WHAT WE ARE DOING AND
HAVING THE TIME WHERE HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE TO DO THE JUDICIAL MATTERS?
>> IF WE ISSUED AN ORDINANCE TODAY FOR GARNISHMENTS WOULD NEED TO STOP, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
IF WE VOTED ON AN ORDINANCE TODAY, THE GARNISHMENT WOULD IMMEDIATELY STOP.
>> WHY WOULD IT STOP? >> GARNISHING PEOPLE'S BANK ACCOUNTS WOULD
STOP? >> NO, THEY ARE ONGOING CASES, BUT WE HAVE
A JUNE OF FISCAL YEAR IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT OUR FISCAL YEAR, IN LOOKING AT THE REVENUE
WE HAVE TO CAPTURE, THE CITY ADMINISTRATION GIVES US MANDATES WE HAVE TO MEET.
AND WE BROKE THAT DOWN FOR THE ADMINISTRATION IN TERMS OF THE AREA OF DEFICIENCIES AS IT
RELATES TO THIS REVENUE, AND, LIKE I SAID, THAT PARTICULAR AREA RIGHT THERE IS ABOUT
$2.9 MILLION, OKAY? AND EVERY IS IT MARCH 5TH, MARCH 1ST, BUSINESS
LICENSE? ALL RIGHT, BUT THERE IS TANGIBLE PROPERTY,
THAT COULD GO BACK, THAT COULD BE MONDAY THAT THEY OWE US THREE YEARS AGO, FOUR YEARS AGO,
AND UP TO FOUR YEARS AGO, THAT MEANS MARCH 1ST WOULD BE FIVE YEARS AND THAT FALLS OFF
THE BOOKS. >> ALL RIGHT.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THEIR LICENSE UNTIL MARCH 1ST, REALLY, YOU HAVE NO HAMMER
EXCEPT FOR WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW. >> WE DO HAVE A HAMMER, WE HAVE FOLKS THAT
ARE WILLING TO COME IN NOW, OKAY? AND TRY TO WORK, UNDERSTAND WHAT
>> THEY CAN'T DO THAT YET, THEY CAN'T COME IN?
>> WE ARE DOING THAT MANUALLY. WE HAVE ONE PERSON THAT IS GOING THROUGH ALL
OF THESE ACCOUNTS, OKAY? WE ARE HAVING TO HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY WORK
WITH US ON A FEW IN TERMS OF THE COMPLEXITY. >> DO THEY GIVE YOU A SOFTWARE SYSTEM OF SOME
TYPE? HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT?
>> WHEN IT PASSES THE ORDINANCE? >> YES.
>> WHAT HAPPENS THEN, THEY HAVE TO COME TO US, WE DON'T LOSE ANYBODY.
>> WHY DO THEY HAVE TO COME TO YOU >> WE ARE WAY BEYOND.
>> THEY HAVE TO COME TO US THEN BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT GET THEIR BUSINESS LICENSE IF THEY
HAD THIS LIEN OF TAXES. THE ORDINANCE IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE, WE'RE
NOT GOING WHEN I SPOKE TO BERNARD, WE LOOKED AT OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES WE WERE DOG, WE
DIDN'T CRAFT AN ORDINANCE THAT FITS THE CITY OF NORFOLK, WE CRAFTED AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS
CONSISTENT WITH WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS DOING, SO THE ORDINANCE IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE, SO
TO ME WHAT IS THE CONVERSATION GOING TO BE ABOUT 13 DAYS FROM NOW.
>> THE ONLY CONVERSATION I HAVE, [INAUDIBLE] IT'S REPRESENTED TO ME [INAUDIBLE] JUDGMENT
ON WHO SAID WHAT, I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE IT DOWN [INAUDIBLE] WHATEVER CHANCE TO GET ANY
INPUT, IF WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER, OR MAYBE NOT CHANGE IT AT ALL.
[INAUDIBLE] DOES BE PLAY WELL TOGETHER AT ALL.
>> OKAY. >> THIS IS NOT ABOUT PERSONALITIES, IT'S ABOUT
REVENUE. >> IT SHOULD HAVE COME A YEAR AGO.
>> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? >> [INAUDIBLE]
>> LET ME PUT ANYTIME FRONT OF COUNCIL, WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW.
>> YOUR RECOMMENDATION I MEAN >> LET ME LOOK AT THIS ONE.
>> WE HAVE THREE WANTING TO PASS IT AND THREE WHO DON'T.
[INAUDIBLE] >> YOU NEED FIVE.
ALL RIGHT, WHO ELSE? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, ANY OTHER COUNCIL
CONCERNS? >> THAT WAS MY COUNCIL CONCERN.
TO MORE PLEASANTRIES, TRUCKS ON PRINCE ANNE ACROSS FROM McDONALD'S, I BROUGHT THAT UP
BEFORE, PARKING 18 WHEELERS, THEY WOULD LIKE ASSISTANCE AND HELP WITH THAT.
I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT PUTTING A NOTE ABOUT TRUCKS THERE.
THEY ARE PLAYING FOR OUR PARKS AND REC TEAM, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION
WITH COACHES HAVING THESE YOUNG MEN OUT THERE TO PLAY FOOTBALL TO BECOME YOUNG MEN.
I DON'T THINK THESE YOUNG MEN [INAUDIBLE]. SWITCHING TO MR. RIDDICK'S AREA, I TALKED
TO MISS COPPINGER, SHE SAID WHEN THEY THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO PLACE THE TRASH WHERE IT SAYS
NO PARKING FROM THIS TIME TO THIS TIME, THEY DID THAT SO I GUESS WHEN THE STREET SWEEPER
COMES OUT THERE, THE CARS ARE THERE, THEY ARE NOT GETTING THE CURBS SWEPT.
ANOTHER ISSUE, WE ADDRESSED THIS BEFORE, THE AUTO MECHANIC SERVICE, WILSON ROAD AND BURKELY
AVENUE, RIGHT ON THAT CORNER THERE, THEY CLEANED IT UP ONE TIME, NOW IT'S RIGHT BACK, EVEN
WORSE THAN IT WAS BEFORE. THEY NEED TO KNOW WE ARE SERIOUS.
LIKE I SAID, THERE'S INVESTMENT BEING MADE ON WILSON ROAD.
>> I THINK IT COULD GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1992, THAT ORDINANCE WAS PASSED IN '92, AND
I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE DOING WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE
IS CONCERN, SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO GO IN AND LOOK AT THAT.
HE'S DEAD. >> WE CONTINUE TO NEED A POLICE PRESENCE AND
ONE OF THE THINGS I TALKED ABOUT JUST MORE THAN A PRESENCE, WHAT THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN
RELATES TO POLICING MERRY MACK, MARKET, IN AND AROUND THE STORE, AND THE ONE STOP, JUST
CONTINUE TO SEE THE ELICIT ACTIVITY OF DRUG DISTRIBUTION OUT THERE.
I WANT TO BEGIN TO SEE A PLAN, YOU KNOW, SOME OUT COMES.
NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A BAND-AID ON IT, APPEASING THIS BODY, JUST REALLY SAYING
WE ARE CRACKING DOWN ON IT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DO SEAT, WE DO A
GOOD JOB AS A CITY IN TERMS OF DESIGNING AND DEALING WITH OUR PARKS, OUR OPEN SPACE AND
THE EQUIPMENT, BUT WE DON'T DO A GOOD JOB OF MAINTAINING THESE FACILITIES.
I WAS OUT AT THE PARK AND, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE GOT THE PICNIC SHELTERS WHERE YOU HAVE
PEOPLE TO COME OUT THERE AND THEY HAVE BIRTHDAY PARTIES OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THEN THE TAPE AND
STUFF IS UP THERE THAT BEGINS TO BECOME AN EYESORE, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE SHOULD
DO IS INVENTORY AT THE END OF THE YEAR, SOMEONE SHOULD GO AROUND AND LOOK AT OUR PUBLIC ART,
SEE IF IT NEEDS CLEANING OR IF IT'S BEEN DAMAGED, OUR BARNS, THE LAMP POSTS AND THINGS LIKE
THAT IN OUR PARKS BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE OR PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, WE WAIT UNTIL IT GETS
TO THE POINT OF NO RETURN. THE POINT OF NO RETURN, I THINK IT'S EASIER
IF WE SERVICE IT ON AN ONGOING BASIS. AND LASTLY, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SOMEWHAT
IN OUR COMMITTEE MEETING, FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT.
WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD, WATER SIDE, DOWNTOWN, LIKE I SAID, PEOPLE SHOULD BE SHOULD WANT
TO LIVE IN OUR DOWNTOWN AND YOU GAUGE FROM A REAL ESTATE STANDPOINT IN TERMS OF VIBRANCY
AND VIBRANCY AND VACANCY, WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES ARE WE STILL PROVIDING WE ARE MOVING A NEEDLE
IN TERMS OF PROVIDING QUALITY LIFE AMENITIES PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR.
WE ARE IN COMPETITION. HAMPTON, THEY HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB OVER
THERE IN THAT LITTLE TOWN, VIRGINIA BEACH IS CONTINUING TO EXPAND THEIR TOWN, CHESAPEAKE,
WE HAVE GOT TO WE CAN'T RELY ON WHAT WE NEED YESTERDAY, WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO PUSH THE
ENVELOPE. WE HAVE DONE SOME GREAT THINGS, WE HAVE BUFFALO
WILD WINGS COMING, BUT WE HAVE TO DO MORE. >> ANGELA?
>> A COUPLE THINGS. CAN WE GET [INAUDIBLE] A TRAFFIC SPEED BUMP?
THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC COMES THROUGH THERE CUTTING THROUGH.
AND I HAD A CALL ABOUT THE LIGHT OVER ON THE BASKETBALL COURT.
AND LAST THING IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING REGARDING THE VICE MAYOR, HE HAD A COUPLE CALLS, THE
HIGH SCHOOL, THE TRAFFIC. >> WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.
MIKE SPENCER GAVE ME A CALL, HE'S WORKING WITH THE CITY ADMINISTRATION, SO HOPEFULLY
THIS SPRING WE'LL HAVE A SCHEDULE THAT WILL ALLOW CITIZENS TO GO IN FOR A COUPLE HOURS
OF AN EVENING AND BE ABLE TO WALK, NOT TRACK SHOES, BUT WET ARE WORKING ON THAT.
>> THE HEAD OF THE BOARD OVER AT CHRYSLER WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THE CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE
A DISCUSSION ABOUT THEIR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT CAMPAIGN AND THE HEAD OF THE CHRYSLER MUSEUM
IS MAKING PROGRESS, AND THEY'VE BEEN ENGAGED FOR SOME TIME IN A PRETTY SUCCESSFUL CAMPAIGN
TO RAISE SOME MONEY, ALSO BUILDING THE GLASS STUDIO OVER THERE AND HE WANTED TO KNOW HOW
HE COULD GET ON THE CALENDAR TO UPDATE THE COUNCIL, I SUGGESTED MAYBE THE COUNCIL WOULD
GO TO THE MUSEUM ON A TUESDAY WHERE WE ONE OF THE SOFTER AGENDA DAYS.
>> WE CAN GO ON THE SAME DAY, THE ZOO, BOTANICAL GARDENS, BUT, I MEAN, IF EVERYBODY WOULD AGREE
JUST TO KEEP US WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT ALL. WE CAN GO TO THE BOTANICAL GARDENS AND THEN
THE CHRYSLER. CAN WE TRY TO SCHEDULE SOMETIME LIKE THAT.
AND ALSO, I MEAN, THEY ARE PRETTY CLOSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE IN DOING THAT GLASS
FACILITY. >> I WENT TO THE OPENING, I MEAN THE PRESENTATION,
AND IT PRETTY CLOSE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A FABULOUS THING.
>> IF COW JUST PICK A DATE THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, TAKE A COUPLE HOURS TO DO THAT, MAYBE
GO OUT TO THE BOTANICAL GARDENS, AND THEN GO TO THE CHRYSLER MUSEUM.
>> OBVIOUSLY, IF THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE RETREAT, ONE THING I'D LIKE FOR US TO HAVE
A HARD DISCUSSION ON, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE SOME TIME TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST
US FOR RAISES FOR OUR EMPLOYEES AND RETIREES, WE TEND TO DO EVERYTHING ELSE AND IF THERE
IS ANYTHING ELSE LEFT WE WILL GIVE RETIREES OR EMPLOYEES A RAISE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO
SEAT IT AT THE ONSET OF DEVELOPING THE BUDGET, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT ATE THE RETREAT, GIVING
OUR RETIREES AND EMPLOYEES A REASONABLE INCREASE. I KNOW IT COSTS US, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT
A BONUS, THIS NEXT CYCLE WILL BE THREE YEARS, I WOULD LIKE AN IDEA WHAT IT WILL COST US,
I'M THROWING THIS OUT LIKE 4% FOR EMPLOYEES AND 2% FOR RETIREES IN TERMS OF AFFIRMATIVE
RAISES, GIVE AN IDEA HOW MUCH WOULD COST, AND ALSO HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST IF WE OPENED
OUR RECREATION POOLS AND LIKE REARS ON THE DAYS WE HAVE THEM CLOSED, HAVE A DISCUSSION
ON THAT. ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS ASKED ME TO MENTION THOSE
THINGS AGAIN. >> HE CAN TELL YOU FOR EACH PERCENTAGE POINT
WHAT IT WOULD COST. >> YES.
>> IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 4%, HE CAN TELL YOU EACH PERCENTAGE POINT ON THAT.
AND PAUL BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT, THE MANAGER HAS HANDED OUT A DRAFT AGENDA, DOES ANYBODY
SEE ANYTHING ON HERE THEY WANT TO IF WE COULD DO THAT.
>> DYNAMICS OF THE SIT, I THINK THAT WOULD PUT ME TO SLEEP.
>> RED LIGHT CAMERAS. OKAY.
>> I THINK I'VE BEEN SET UP. I HAVE BEEN SET UP, BUT I UNDERSTAND THERE
HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION THAT I MISSED WHILE I WAS AT AN OUTSIDE MEETING, I ALSO WOULD
LIKE TO >> PARTLY.
>> NO, I STARTED WITH THIS, I CAME IN AND SAID THAT, I DID NOT I JUST SAID SOMETHING
TO HIM AND HE SAID YOU BRING IT UP. >> OKAY.
DOES ANYBODY SEE ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA? NO, I'M NOT, I'M NOT.
WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION. MAKE THE MOTION.
>> OKAY, IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO GET ON THE COUNCIL RETREAT,
NOW IS THE TIME OR IN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS OR SO.
>> CAN I JUST ASK, PARKING, HOW WILL THAT HAPPEN?
>> IT'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT JUST THE PARKING SYSTEM IN GENERAL, A CONVERSATION THAT WE
COULD HAVE HAD MONTHS AGO OR YEARS AGO AS WELL AS THE IMPACT OF LIGHT RAIL AND HOW THAT
MAY BE AN IMPACT ON THE PARKING. >> THE 40 YARD DASH.
>> IT INCLUDES THE PARKING [LAUGHTER] >> GO AHEAD.
GO AHEAD. IT WILL INCLUDE EVERYTHING.
>> IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE PERMITS IN NEIGHBORHOODS? >> INITIALLY THAT WAS NOT A PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD? >> IF THIS IS AN ISSUE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING
ON FOR SEVERAL YEARS. I KNOW THAT'S AN ISSUE WITH THE GUEST PASSPORTS,
I'M JUST I MEAN, BARKLEY, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?
>> TRUE, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WOULD BE PART OF IT.
>> I'D LIKE TO SEE ABOUT THE METER PARKING DOWNTOWN.
>> ON THE WEEKENDS. >> THE INITIAL FOCUS WAS REALLY ON THE FUND,
PARKING FUND BUT IF THIS IS AN ISSUE, WE CAN INCLUDE THAT, WE WILL INCLUDE THAT.
>> OKAY. WE TOOK A WHOLE HOUR ON INTERESTS AND ISSUES.
SO, I GUESS WE'LL START WITH THE DOLLAR TREE DEAL THEN, BEACH/DUNE ENCROACHMENT.
>> MAY MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, DOLLAR TREE DEAL IS COMING TO THE COUNCIL ON THE
27TH, CONSISTENT WHEN WE HAVE A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION WE TRY TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON
THE ITEM. THIS IS A REQUEST TO APPROVE SPECIAL EXCEPTION
FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR OFF PREMISES.
THE LOCATION IS IN THE SHOPPING CENTER, IT IS C 3 WHICH DOES REQUIRE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS.
WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING TO DO IS NOT CHANGE HOURS THEY ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING, IT WOULD
BE 8:00 A.M. TO 9:00 P.M. MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AND THEN 8:00 A.M. TO 8:00 P.M. SUNDAYS.
ADMINISTRATION, WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL BECAUSE IT DOES MEET ALL OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE
REQUIREMENTS AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH APPROVED PLANS AND GIVEN THE LIMITED HOURS OF OPERATION,
WE DIDN'T SEE IT AS A MAJOR ISSUE. PLANNING COMMISSION SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE
ON A 2 2, THAT MEANS IT COMES TO YOU WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL.
THE TWO PEOPLE WHO VOTED TO SUPPORT IT WAS FOR THE SAME REASON THE ADD PRINCIPAL STATION
APPROVED IT. THE REASON THE PEOPLE VOTED AGAINST IT THOUGHT
THIS MAY BE PRECURSOR TO DOLLAR TREE TO DO OFF PREMISES THE SALES.
>> HAVE THEY DONE THIS IN OTHER CITIES? >> YES, IN CHESAPEAKE AND ANOTHER CITY, THE
REPRESENTATIVES OF DOLLAR TREE WHO WERE PRESENT ASSURED THE PLANNING COMMISSION IT NOT THEIR
INTENTION OF EXTENDING THIS INTO ALL OF THE DOLLAR TREES.
>> WHY IS THIS ONE SO SPECIAL? WHY WAS THIS ONE SELL GLECTD DOLLAR TREE DEALS
IS A DIFFERENT MARKETING CONCEPT THAN A TYPICAL DOLLAR TREE, THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO
DO, AT DOLLAR TREE DEALS THEY ARE LOOKING AT THIS APPROACH, IT NOT WHERE EVERYTHING
IS A DOLLAR, IT'S THEY ARE DISCOUNTS. >> OKAY.
THAT'S >> THAT'S ON YOUR FORMAL AGENDA ON THE 27TH.
YOU HAVE ASKED WHENEVER THERE IS A NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION WE PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION,
THE INFORMATION TO YOU. I GAVE YOU THAT BACKGROUND INFORMATION BEFORE
YOU ARE ASKED TO VOTE ON IT, WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU THAT HEADS UP OF WHAT IS COMING ON
THE 27TH. THE ADMINISTRATION'S RECOMMENDATION WAS APPROVAL
BECAUSE IT CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE ORDINANCES, LIMITED HOURS OF OPERATION AND CONSISTENT
WITH THE PLANS. AND THE SECOND PRESENTATION I HAVE FOR YOU
IS A PRESENTATION MR. SPIEGEL HAD ASKED WE DO PROVIDING INFORMATION REGARDING THE POLICY
DOCUMENT THAT WAS CRAFTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEYS OFFICE WORKING WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT
A COUPLE YEARS AGO ON HOW WE WOULD DEAL WITH BEACH AND DUNE ENCROACHMENTS, WE NEVER BROUGHT
THIS POLICY BEFORE YOU, I BELIEVE WE WILL BE BRINGING THIS BEFORE YOU ON THE 27TH AS
A RESOLUTION SO YOU CAN FORMALLY VOTE ON IT. TO GIFT YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS PARTICULAR
ISSUE, AS FAR BACK AT 2003 STAFF WAS IDENTIFYING A LARGE NUMBER OF UNPERMITTED ENCROACHMENTS,
THIS IS A STRUCTURE ON CITY RIGHT OF WAY OR CITY PROPERTY, AND WE HAD A WHOLE, JUST A
HUGE NUMBER OF THEM ALONG CHESAPEAKE BAY. 2005 CITY COUNCIL SAID NO MORE, WE DON'T WANT
TO DO ANY MORE OF THESE. WE BEGAN GETTING COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE EXISTING
ENCROACHMENTS. SO IN 2006 COUNCIL SAID DEVELOP GUIDELINES.
2008 WE DID A COMPREHENSIVE ASSESSMENT AND CREATED A COMMITTEE WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM
A NUMBER OF CIVIC LEAGUES IN THE AREA, AND THEN IN 2009 WE HAD THE VETERANS DAY NOR’EASTER
AND WE SAW THE IMPACT OF THE ENCROACHMENTS ON OUR DUNE SYSTEM WHERE MANY WERE DEMOLISHED
AND DECREE AID PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES. THE COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP REPRESENTED EVERY
CIVIC LEAGUE IN THE AREA, HOMEOWNERS FROM EAST BEACH AND BAY BREEZE, WE HAD THE WETLAND'S
BOARD, IT WAS BRINGING TOGETHER A HUGE DIVERSE GROUP OF PEOPLES TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.
WHAT THEY WERE CHARGED WITH DOING WAS CONDUCTING THE COMPREHENSIVE ASSESSMENT AND ANALYSIS
AND PROVIDING GUIDELINES THE SIT I WOULD CITY WOULD USE.
WHEN THE COMMITTEE CAME IN THEY INDICATED THEY WANTED TWO CATTLE GORES, THINGS THAT
WOULD BE GENERALLY APPROVED OR THINGS THAT WOULD BE GENERALLY DISCOURAGED.
SO, TO GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES OF HOW THIS WOULD WORK, HERE YOU HAVE A DUNE WALKWAY THAT
WAS LOWERED IN ORDER TO COMPLY, BUT IT STILL BLOCKS THE VIEW, SO THE IDEA IS THAT BEGINS
TO BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE VIEWS OF THE BEACH AND THE
PROCESS WITH THE NEW GUIDELINES, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE HANDRAILS, YOU WOULD HAVE THIS STRUCTURE
LOWERED, THE DUNE CROSS OVER CROSS OVER LOW ENOUGH YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE HANDRAILS
UNDER THE BUILDING CODE AND IT WOULDN'T CREATE THE VISUAL OBSTACLE THIS DOES CREATE.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE HOW THESE BEST PRACTICES AND DESIGN CRY TIER A WOULD USE.
WHAT THAT TELLS YOU IS IF WE HAD APPLIED THAT STANDARD THAT WAS SUGGESTED BY THE COMMITTEE
AND IS SUGGESTED IN THE GUIDELINES, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THE HANDRAILS GOING UP TO THE PLATFORM
FOR THE DUNE CROSS OVER BUT THEN YOU WOULD LOSE IT ONCE YOU GOT TO THE DUNE, CAP THE
TOP OF THE DUNE AND IT MAINTAINS THE VIEW. THE IDEA IS THIS WOULD ENHANCE THE VISUAL
IMPACT OF THESE CROSSOVERS ALONG THE DUNE. >> BECAUSE THE DUNE IS LEVEL SO YOU DON'T
HAVE TO HAVE IT. >> YES, IT AT A LOW ENOUGH POINT WHERE UNDER
THE BUILDING CODE YOU DON'T NEED THE RAILS. IF IT IS UP HIGHER WHICH THIS ONE IS, YOU
NEED THE RAILS BECAUSE OF BUILDING CODE. ISSUE IS LOWER IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
>> SO IT IS NEARER THE DUNE. >> CLOSER TO THE DUNE.
>> BECAUSE OTHER THAN THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO
>> IT BECOMES A BUILDING CODE ISSUE, THE HIGHER YOU GET, THE BOTH YOU DON'T NEED THE RAILING.
>> LOWERING IT DOESN'T HURT THE DUNE. >> WHAT IF YOU HAVE A PERSON IN A WHEELCHAIR.
>> THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET ACROSS HERE BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT STEPS.
IF YOU HAVE A PERSON IN A WHEELCHAIR THEY WILL HAVE TO GO TO ONE OF THE BREAKS IN THE
DUNE LINE IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH HERE BECAUSE EITHER APPROACH THEY WON'T BE
ABLE TO GET UP THE STEPS. >> THAT'S TRUE.
THE WAY THAT THE PROGRAM WORKS AND THE POLICY THAT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED IS IT REQUIRES CITY
COUNCIL APPROVAL BEFORE ANYTHING IS BUILT ON THE DUNES AND THE REQUESTS ARE CONSIDERED
JUST LIKE A NORMAL ENCROACHMENT, THEY ARE COORDINATED BY THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
WITH OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS INCLUDING THE PLANNING TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE NOT CREATING
ANY ISSUES OR PROBLEMS AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE DID WAS ESTABLISH THESE KIND OF
DESIGN CRY TIER A AND WHAT WE HAVE SAID IS IF YOU ARE MEETING ALL THE CRITERIA, SO IT
DOESN'T HAVE THE NARROW CROSS WALK, THE BROAD PLATFORM, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE
DESIGN REVIEW COMMITTEE, BY ORDINANCE ANY ENCROACHMENT HAS TO GO THROUGH DESIGN, WE
CAN BYPASS DESIGN REVIEW AND GET IT STRAIGHT TO COUNCIL, THAT'S THE INCENTIVE WE'VE GIVEN
THE PEOPLE TO TRY TO FOLLOW ALL OF THESE GUIDELINES. THE OTHER ISSUES WE'VE SAID IS ENSURING WE
HAVE BUILDING PERMITS FOR THESE STRUCTURES BECAUSE THEY MEET BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENT
OR BUILDING CODES AND WE WILL NOT GRANT A BUILDING PERMIT, MY ISSUE WILL NOT ISSUE A
BUILDING PERMIT UNTIL AFTER CITY COUNCIL HAS GRAND THE ENCROACHMENT, WE DO NOT CHARGE FOR
THESE ENCROACHMENT WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM THE WAY WE NORMALLY DEAL WITH IT.
>> LET'S SAY YOU BUILT IT, LET'S SAY YOU BROUGHT IT IN, IT WAS ALREADY BUILT, OVER.
>> YOU ARE STILL GOING TO NEED THE ENCROACHMENTS BECAUSE YOU ARE USING CITY PROPERTY AND THAT'S
WHERE WE GOT THEM, EVEN ON MODULAR, WE STILL HAVE THEM BECAUSE BY ORDINANCE, BY STATE LAW
PEOPLE CAN'T USE CITY PROPERTY WITHOUT YOUR APPROVAL.
>> OKAY. >> WHAT WE HAVE SAID, THIS IS A WHOLE LIST
OF THINGS THAT ARE GENERALLY OKAY. AND SO WHAT YOU SEE ARE THINGS LIKE WALKWAYS
YOU WERE SEEING THE DUNE CROSS OVERS, STAIRS LEADING UP TO THEM.
THIS WHOLE ARRAY OF THINGS THAT ARE GENERALLY OKAY.
GENERALLY DISCOURAGED, NOT PROHIBITED, DISCOURAGED. PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO ASK FOR THEM, BUT AS
ADMINISTRATION WE WOULD BE RECOMMENDING AGAINST THESE THINGS, AND THE ISSUE IS AGAIN TRYING
TO MAINTAIN THAT VIEW OF THE WATER FRONT, SO WE DO HAVE A LIST OF THINGS THAT ARE DISCOURAGED.
SO, UNDER THE NEW PRO SETS, WHAT STARVE DOES UNDER THIS PROCESS, WHAT STAFF DOES, WE'VE
BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IS WE EVALUATE THE REQUEST
WHEN IT COMES IN. WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS THE NEED FOR THIS
CROSS OVER RELATIVE TO OTHER CROSSOVERS IN THE AREA, IS IT GOING TO CREATE THE STRUCTURE,
THE VIEW, WE HAVE AN ISSUE OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND MAKING SURE WE ARE PROVIDING ACCESS AND
WE CAN DROP THE IDEA THAT ALL OF THE CRITERIA ARE MET, THEN WE WOULD BE RECOMMENDING, WE
WOULD BE DETERMINING IT IS NECESSARY AND RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
SO, WHAT WE WILL BE COMING TO YOU IN TWO WEEKS WITH THE RESOLUTION, HE HAS ADOPTED TO FORMALLY
ADOPT THE POLICY, IT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN USED FOR ABOUT THE PAST 18 MONTHS.
>> I DO THINK, FRANK, WE DECIDED THAT JOHN MAIER OR SOMEONE COULD GO AHEAD AND APPROVE
IT, HE'S BEEN LANG WISHING >> MR. MAIER'S APPLICATION WON CONSISTENT.
THE PROBLEM WAS SOME PEOPLE WERE ON THE ORIGINAL COMMITTEE, THOUGHT IT WAS INCONSISTENT WITH
THEIR INITIAL RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT IS CORRECT BECAUSE THEY FELT NOTHING SHOULD BE DO IT.
WE SAID WE WOULD ALLOW COUNCIL TO HAVE THE FINAL SAY SO.
>> OKAY. >> ARE YOU READY FOR THE
>> HOW LONG WILL THIS TAKE? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HOW LONG?
>> WELL, I WILL TELL YOU, I BROKE IT INTO TWO SECTIONS BECAUSE WHEN WE BROUGHT IN THE
FIRST ONE, MARCUS AND ANN WERE SAYING WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET THROUGH 300 SLIDES, COUNCIL
WON'T SIT THROUGH IT. SO IT IS SEVERELY BROKEN DOWN AND BROKEN IT
INTO TWO SECTIONS. >> I WANT TO SAVE A COUPLE TIMES TO MAKE SURE
WE PASS THIS ORDINANCE TONIGHT SINCE WE WON'T BE HERE I'M GLAD TO DO THAT.
>> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, WE CAN DO THAT.
>> IT SHOULD ONLY TAKE A MINUTE, I THINK WE'VE AGREED ON MOST OF THIS STUFF.
>> I WILL COME BACK. >> LET'S GO INTO CLOSED SECTION, WE'LL ONLY
BE A FEW MINUTES. >>
>> >>
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