Steven Spielberg, Doris Kearns Goodwin & Tony Kushner Discuss "Lincoln" at The Richmond Forum


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WELCOME. >> [APPLAUSE] >> OUR TOPIC THIS EVENING
>> [APPLAUSE] >> OUR TOPIC THIS EVENING BRINGING HISTORY TO LIFE ON
>> OUR TOPIC THIS EVENING BRINGING HISTORY TO LIFE ON FILM.
BRINGING HISTORY TO LIFE ON FILM. TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT
FILM. TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PROCESS OF BRINGING
TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PROCESS OF BRINGING LINCOLN TO THE BIG SCREEN.
THE PROCESS OF BRINGING LINCOLN TO THE BIG SCREEN. SO I SUPPOSE WE SHOULD START
LINCOLN TO THE BIG SCREEN. SO I SUPPOSE WE SHOULD START AS ALWAYS WITH THE WORD.
SO I SUPPOSE WE SHOULD START AS ALWAYS WITH THE WORD. EACH OF YOU HAVE LIVED WITH
AS ALWAYS WITH THE WORD. EACH OF YOU HAVE LIVED WITH ABRAHAM LINCOLN NOW FOR A
EACH OF YOU HAVE LIVED WITH ABRAHAM LINCOLN NOW FOR A VERY LONG TIME SO I START
ABRAHAM LINCOLN NOW FOR A VERY LONG TIME SO I START WITH DORIS.
VERY LONG TIME SO I START WITH DORIS. WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME
WITH DORIS. WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME OBSESSED WITH LINCOLN?
WHEN DID YOU FIRST BECOME OBSESSED WITH LINCOLN? >> [LAUGHTER]
OBSESSED WITH LINCOLN? >> [LAUGHTER] >> I THINK WHEN I WAS A
>> [LAUGHTER] >> I THINK WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL, I WAS CONNECTED
>> I THINK WHEN I WAS A LITTLE GIRL, I WAS CONNECTED TO THE PART OF THE STORY
LITTLE GIRL, I WAS CONNECTED TO THE PART OF THE STORY WHERE HIS MOTHER DIED WHEN HE
TO THE PART OF THE STORY WHERE HIS MOTHER DIED WHEN HE WAS YOUNG AND HE LOVED TO
WHERE HIS MOTHER DIED WHEN HE WAS YOUNG AND HE LOVED TO READ, BECAUSE MY MOTHER USED
WAS YOUNG AND HE LOVED TO READ, BECAUSE MY MOTHER USED TO READ TO ME EVERY NIGHT,
READ, BECAUSE MY MOTHER USED TO READ TO ME EVERY NIGHT, AND SHE DIED WHEN I WAS
TO READ TO ME EVERY NIGHT, AND SHE DIED WHEN I WAS YOUNG, SO IT HAD NOTHING TO
AND SHE DIED WHEN I WAS YOUNG, SO IT HAD NOTHING TO DO AT THAT POINT WITH THE BIG
YOUNG, SO IT HAD NOTHING TO DO AT THAT POINT WITH THE BIG THINGS, SLAVERY AND
DO AT THAT POINT WITH THE BIG THINGS, SLAVERY AND EMANCIPATION BUT SORT OF AN
THINGS, SLAVERY AND EMANCIPATION BUT SORT OF AN EMOTIONAL CONNECTION BUT
EMANCIPATION BUT SORT OF AN EMOTIONAL CONNECTION BUT FINALLY AFTER HAVING WRITTEN
EMOTIONAL CONNECTION BUT FINALLY AFTER HAVING WRITTEN ABOUT A SERIES OF OTHER
FINALLY AFTER HAVING WRITTEN ABOUT A SERIES OF OTHER PRESIDENTS IT SEEMS LIKE THE
ABOUT A SERIES OF OTHER PRESIDENTS IT SEEMS LIKE THE MOBY DICK TO TRY AND GO INTO
PRESIDENTS IT SEEMS LIKE THE MOBY DICK TO TRY AND GO INTO ABRAHAM LYNN SON.
MOBY DICK TO TRY AND GO INTO ABRAHAM LYNN SON. IT WAS TERRIFYING AND AT
ABRAHAM LYNN SON. IT WAS TERRIFYING AND AT FIRST I THOUGHT I'D WRITE
IT WAS TERRIFYING AND AT FIRST I THOUGHT I'D WRITE ABOUT MARY AND ABE.
FIRST I THOUGHT I'D WRITE ABOUT MARY AND ABE. IT TOOK THREE YEARS TO GET TO
ABOUT MARY AND ABE. IT TOOK THREE YEARS TO GET TO THIS BUT I'VE NEVER REGRETTED
IT TOOK THREE YEARS TO GET TO THIS BUT I'VE NEVER REGRETTED A MOMENT OF THE YEARS I SPENT
THIS BUT I'VE NEVER REGRETTED A MOMENT OF THE YEARS I SPENT LIVING WITH THAT CHARACTER.
A MOMENT OF THE YEARS I SPENT LIVING WITH THAT CHARACTER. WE'VE ALL SAID WE MISS HIM
LIVING WITH THAT CHARACTER. WE'VE ALL SAID WE MISS HIM WHEN HE'S GONE.
WE'VE ALL SAID WE MISS HIM WHEN HE'S GONE. >> YOU GOT TOLD OF TEAM OF
WHEN HE'S GONE. >> YOU GOT TOLD OF TEAM OF RIVALS AS A WORK IN PROGRESS.
>> YOU GOT TOLD OF TEAM OF RIVALS AS A WORK IN PROGRESS. I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE
RIVALS AS A WORK IN PROGRESS. I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE HAD YOU ALREADY PLANNED TO DO
I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE HAD YOU ALREADY PLANNED TO DO A FILM ON LINCOLN?
HAD YOU ALREADY PLANNED TO DO A FILM ON LINCOLN? OR WAS THE MIN U SCRIPT THE
A FILM ON LINCOLN? OR WAS THE MIN U SCRIPT THE IMPETUS?
OR WAS THE MIN U SCRIPT THE IMPETUS? >> I HAD NO PLANS AT ALL TO
IMPETUS? >> I HAD NO PLANS AT ALL TO DO ANYTHING ON LINCOLN.
>> I HAD NO PLANS AT ALL TO DO ANYTHING ON LINCOLN. SINCE CHILDHOOD I HAD AN
DO ANYTHING ON LINCOLN. SINCE CHILDHOOD I HAD AN ENDLESS FASCINATION WITH THE
SINCE CHILDHOOD I HAD AN ENDLESS FASCINATION WITH THE MYSTERIOUS PERSONA OF ABRAHAM
ENDLESS FASCINATION WITH THE MYSTERIOUS PERSONA OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN BEYOND WHAT MY
MYSTERIOUS PERSONA OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN BEYOND WHAT MY TEACHERS WERE TELLING ME,
LINCOLN BEYOND WHAT MY TEACHERS WERE TELLING ME, WHICH WASES AND TIMES AND
TEACHERS WERE TELLING ME, WHICH WASES AND TIMES AND PLACES AND FIGURES, BUT
WHICH WASES AND TIMES AND PLACES AND FIGURES, BUT NOTHING REALLY ABOUT THE MAN.
PLACES AND FIGURES, BUT NOTHING REALLY ABOUT THE MAN. YET, I WAS REALLY INSATIABLY
NOTHING REALLY ABOUT THE MAN. YET, I WAS REALLY INSATIABLY CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT I DIDN'T
YET, I WAS REALLY INSATIABLY CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE MAN, HOW KIND
CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE MAN, HOW KIND HE LOOKED, WHAT GREAT THINGS
KNOW ABOUT THE MAN, HOW KIND HE LOOKED, WHAT GREAT THINGS HE DID, BUT SO LITTLE TO BE
HE LOOKED, WHAT GREAT THINGS HE DID, BUT SO LITTLE TO BE KNOWN ABOUT HIM, EVEN THOUGH
HE DID, BUT SO LITTLE TO BE KNOWN ABOUT HIM, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S 14,000 BOOKS WRITTEN
KNOWN ABOUT HIM, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S 14,000 BOOKS WRITTEN ABOUT HIM.
THERE'S 14,000 BOOKS WRITTEN ABOUT HIM. I HAD HARDLY READ TWO AT THE
ABOUT HIM. I HAD HARDLY READ TWO AT THE TIME, WHEN DORIS CAME ON A
I HAD HARDLY READ TWO AT THE TIME, WHEN DORIS CAME ON A PANEL THAT I WAS MODERATING,
TIME, WHEN DORIS CAME ON A PANEL THAT I WAS MODERATING, HAVING TO DO WITH TRYING TO
PANEL THAT I WAS MODERATING, HAVING TO DO WITH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE LAST 100 YEARS
HAVING TO DO WITH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE LAST 100 YEARS FOR THE MILLENNIUM.
FIGURE OUT THE LAST 100 YEARS FOR THE MILLENNIUM. >> WHICH MEANS THIS HAPPENED
FOR THE MILLENNIUM. >> WHICH MEANS THIS HAPPENED IN THE LAST CENTURY.
>> WHICH MEANS THIS HAPPENED IN THE LAST CENTURY. >> THE LAST CENTURY!
IN THE LAST CENTURY. >> THE LAST CENTURY! >> 1999!
>> THE LAST CENTURY! >> 1999! >> '99.
>> 1999! >> '99. AND DURING OUR COFFEE BREAK,
>> '99. AND DURING OUR COFFEE BREAK, I HAD DORIS WHAT SHE WAS
AND DURING OUR COFFEE BREAK, I HAD DORIS WHAT SHE WAS WORKING ON, SHE SAID WELL,
I HAD DORIS WHAT SHE WAS WORKING ON, SHE SAID WELL, I'M WORKING ON A BOOK ABOUT
WORKING ON, SHE SAID WELL, I'M WORKING ON A BOOK ABOUT THE LINCOLN PRESIDENCY, AND I
I'M WORKING ON A BOOK ABOUT THE LINCOLN PRESIDENCY, AND I REMEMBER ASKING YOU IF THE
THE LINCOLN PRESIDENCY, AND I REMEMBER ASKING YOU IF THE FILM RIGHTS WERE AVAILABLE.
REMEMBER ASKING YOU IF THE FILM RIGHTS WERE AVAILABLE. >> THEN HE SAID CAN WE SHAKE
FILM RIGHTS WERE AVAILABLE. >> THEN HE SAID CAN WE SHAKE HANDS ON IT?
>> THEN HE SAID CAN WE SHAKE HANDS ON IT? AND I WAS LIKE OH, NO,
HANDS ON IT? AND I WAS LIKE OH, NO, THERE'S LIKE A THOUSAND
AND I WAS LIKE OH, NO, THERE'S LIKE A THOUSAND STEVEN SPIELBERGS AROUND WHO
THERE'S LIKE A THOUSAND STEVEN SPIELBERGS AROUND WHO WANT TO MAKE LINCOLN!
STEVEN SPIELBERGS AROUND WHO WANT TO MAKE LINCOLN! I WAS SO EXCITED.
WANT TO MAKE LINCOLN! I WAS SO EXCITED. >> AND THEN I REMEMBER, YOU
I WAS SO EXCITED. >> AND THEN I REMEMBER, YOU WOULD CALL ME UP WHEN YOU
>> AND THEN I REMEMBER, YOU WOULD CALL ME UP WHEN YOU WERE MAKING OTHER MOVIES AND
WOULD CALL ME UP WHEN YOU WERE MAKING OTHER MOVIES AND RELAXES, AND YOU WERE JUST
WERE MAKING OTHER MOVIES AND RELAXES, AND YOU WERE JUST LIKE TELL ME WHAT KIN CON DID
RELAXES, AND YOU WERE JUST LIKE TELL ME WHAT KIN CON DID -- LINCOLN TODAY AND THEN YOU
LIKE TELL ME WHAT KIN CON DID -- LINCOLN TODAY AND THEN YOU TED I'M OPTIONING IT, I'M
-- LINCOLN TODAY AND THEN YOU TED I'M OPTIONING IT, I'M BUYING IT, FORGET THE HAND
TED I'M OPTIONING IT, I'M BUYING IT, FORGET THE HAND SHAKE WE HAD IN 1999.
BUYING IT, FORGET THE HAND SHAKE WE HAD IN 1999. >> EXACTLY.
SHAKE WE HAD IN 1999. >> EXACTLY. YOU WERE LIVING WITH HIM FOR
>> EXACTLY. YOU WERE LIVING WITH HIM FOR SO LONG!
YOU WERE LIVING WITH HIM FOR SO LONG! AND YOU WEREN'T EVEN DOING
SO LONG! AND YOU WEREN'T EVEN DOING BEHIND VICTOR'S BACK.
AND YOU WEREN'T EVEN DOING BEHIND VICTOR'S BACK. >> HE WAS GLAD TO HAVE
BEHIND VICTOR'S BACK. >> HE WAS GLAD TO HAVE ABRAHAM LINCOLN IN THE BED.
>> HE WAS GLAD TO HAVE ABRAHAM LINCOLN IN THE BED. >> I GUESS THE QUESTION TO
ABRAHAM LINCOLN IN THE BED. >> I GUESS THE QUESTION TO TONY WOULD BE, DID YOU HAVE
>> I GUESS THE QUESTION TO TONY WOULD BE, DID YOU HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT TACKLING
TONY WOULD BE, DID YOU HAVE RESERVATIONS ABOUT TACKLING THE OVER 700 PAGES FINALLY
RESERVATIONS ABOUT TACKLING THE OVER 700 PAGES FINALLY WRITTEN BY DORIS?
THE OVER 700 PAGES FINALLY WRITTEN BY DORIS? >> I DON'T THINK I REALLY HAD
WRITTEN BY DORIS? >> I DON'T THINK I REALLY HAD RESERVATIONS BECAUSE I KNEW
>> I DON'T THINK I REALLY HAD RESERVATIONS BECAUSE I KNEW FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THAT
RESERVATIONS BECAUSE I KNEW FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THAT WAS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE,
FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THAT WAS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE, AND SO --
WAS COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE, AND SO -- >> [LAUGHTER]
AND SO -- >> [LAUGHTER] >> ONE OF THE FIRST
>> [LAUGHTER] >> ONE OF THE FIRST CONVERSATIONS THAT STEVEN AND
>> ONE OF THE FIRST CONVERSATIONS THAT STEVEN AND I WHEN STEVEN SAID THAT HE --
CONVERSATIONS THAT STEVEN AND I WHEN STEVEN SAID THAT HE -- AFTER WE HAD WORKED ON MUNICH
I WHEN STEVEN SAID THAT HE -- AFTER WE HAD WORKED ON MUNICH AND STEVEN ASKED ME IF I
AFTER WE HAD WORKED ON MUNICH AND STEVEN ASKED ME IF I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN
AND STEVEN ASKED ME IF I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT TEAM OF RIVALS AND
WOULD BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT TEAM OF RIVALS AND MAKING THIS ADAPTATION,
LOOKING AT TEAM OF RIVALS AND MAKING THIS ADAPTATION, STEVEN HAD ALREADY SORT OF
MAKING THIS ADAPTATION, STEVEN HAD ALREADY SORT OF WORKED OUT THAT YOU WOULD
STEVEN HAD ALREADY SORT OF WORKED OUT THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE A SERIES AS LONG
WORKED OUT THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE A SERIES AS LONG AS GUNSMOKE TO BEGIN TO -- I
NEED TO HAVE A SERIES AS LONG AS GUNSMOKE TO BEGIN TO -- I THINK WITHOUT ANY
AS GUNSMOKE TO BEGIN TO -- I THINK WITHOUT ANY EXAGGERATION YOU COULD MAKE A
THINK WITHOUT ANY EXAGGERATION YOU COULD MAKE A 10, 12-PART MINI SERIES ABOUT
EXAGGERATION YOU COULD MAKE A 10, 12-PART MINI SERIES ABOUT ANY WEEK OF LINCOLN'S
10, 12-PART MINI SERIES ABOUT ANY WEEK OF LINCOLN'S PRESIDENCY AND YOU WOULDN'T
ANY WEEK OF LINCOLN'S PRESIDENCY AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAD IT AT ALL.
PRESIDENCY AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAD IT AT ALL. I MEAN, IT WAS SO
HAVE TO PAD IT AT ALL. I MEAN, IT WAS SO RIDICULOUSLY OVERFULL WITH
I MEAN, IT WAS SO RIDICULOUSLY OVERFULL WITH INCREDIBLY DRAMATIC EVENTS
RIDICULOUSLY OVERFULL WITH INCREDIBLY DRAMATIC EVENTS AND AMAZING CHARACTERS.
INCREDIBLY DRAMATIC EVENTS AND AMAZING CHARACTERS. SO THERE'S A REAL
AND AMAZING CHARACTERS. SO THERE'S A REAL EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES.
SO THERE'S A REAL EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES. AND WHEN STEVEN FIRST ASKED
EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES. AND WHEN STEVEN FIRST ASKED ME TO DO IT, HE HAD ALREADY
AND WHEN STEVEN FIRST ASKED ME TO DO IT, HE HAD ALREADY DECIDED NOT TO DO ANY OF THE
ME TO DO IT, HE HAD ALREADY DECIDED NOT TO DO ANY OF THE BATTLES.
DECIDED NOT TO DO ANY OF THE BATTLES. >> RIGHT.
BATTLES. >> RIGHT. >> SO THAT IMMEDIATELY MEANT
>> RIGHT. >> SO THAT IMMEDIATELY MEANT THAT THERE WAS A COMPRESSION
>> SO THAT IMMEDIATELY MEANT THAT THERE WAS A COMPRESSION AND CONDENSATION THAT WAS
THAT THERE WAS A COMPRESSION AND CONDENSATION THAT WAS START TO HAPPEN.
AND CONDENSATION THAT WAS START TO HAPPEN. >> HOLLYWOOD'S TREATMENT OF
START TO HAPPEN. >> HOLLYWOOD'S TREATMENT OF HISTORY HAS OFTEN BEEN
>> HOLLYWOOD'S TREATMENT OF HISTORY HAS OFTEN BEEN CHALLENGING, ESPECIALLY WHEN
HISTORY HAS OFTEN BEEN CHALLENGING, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO AMERICAN HEROES,
CHALLENGING, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO AMERICAN HEROES, AND THE CIVIL WAR.
IT COMES TO AMERICAN HEROES, AND THE CIVIL WAR. TO YOU AGAIN TONY, DID YOU
AND THE CIVIL WAR. TO YOU AGAIN TONY, DID YOU FEEL CHALLENGED WHEN YOU HAD
TO YOU AGAIN TONY, DID YOU FEEL CHALLENGED WHEN YOU HAD TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, AND
FEEL CHALLENGED WHEN YOU HAD TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, AND REALLY HAD TO CONDENSE THIS
TO WEIGH IN ON THIS, AND REALLY HAD TO CONDENSE THIS HISTORY INTO A SCRIPT FORM?
REALLY HAD TO CONDENSE THIS HISTORY INTO A SCRIPT FORM? AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE WAS
HISTORY INTO A SCRIPT FORM? AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE WAS SO MUCH MATERIAL.
AS YOU MENTIONED, THERE WAS SO MUCH MATERIAL. >> YEAH, I MEAN, MY FIRST
SO MUCH MATERIAL. >> YEAH, I MEAN, MY FIRST DRAFT WAS 500 PAGES LONG.
>> YEAH, I MEAN, MY FIRST DRAFT WAS 500 PAGES LONG. IT WOULD HAVE --
DRAFT WAS 500 PAGES LONG. IT WOULD HAVE -- >> 550.
IT WOULD HAVE -- >> 550. BUT WHO'S COUNT SOMETHING.
>> 550. BUT WHO'S COUNT SOMETHING. >> AND 300 OR SOMETHING OTHER
BUT WHO'S COUNT SOMETHING. >> AND 300 OR SOMETHING OTHER PAGES THAT WEREN'T PART OF
>> AND 300 OR SOMETHING OTHER PAGES THAT WEREN'T PART OF THAT DRAFT.
PAGES THAT WEREN'T PART OF THAT DRAFT. AND SO THE 500 PAGE DRAFT,
THAT DRAFT. AND SO THE 500 PAGE DRAFT, 550 PAGES, WOULD HAVE MADE IT
AND SO THE 500 PAGE DRAFT, 550 PAGES, WOULD HAVE MADE IT 10 OR 11-HOUR -- SO --
550 PAGES, WOULD HAVE MADE IT 10 OR 11-HOUR -- SO -- >> [LAUGHTER]
10 OR 11-HOUR -- SO -- >> [LAUGHTER] >> SO I THINK WE AGREED ON A
>> [LAUGHTER] >> SO I THINK WE AGREED ON A PRINCIPLE FAIRLY SOON AFTER
>> SO I THINK WE AGREED ON A PRINCIPLE FAIRLY SOON AFTER WE STARTED, WHICH IS THAT IF
PRINCIPLE FAIRLY SOON AFTER WE STARTED, WHICH IS THAT IF WE COULD FIND A MOMENT THAT
WE STARTED, WHICH IS THAT IF WE COULD FIND A MOMENT THAT CONTAINED ALL THE MAJOR
WE COULD FIND A MOMENT THAT CONTAINED ALL THE MAJOR THEMES OF THE LINCOLN
CONTAINED ALL THE MAJOR THEMES OF THE LINCOLN PRESIDENCY, BECAUSE AFTER
THEMES OF THE LINCOLN PRESIDENCY, BECAUSE AFTER READING TEAM OF RIVALS AND
PRESIDENCY, BECAUSE AFTER READING TEAM OF RIVALS AND CONTINUING TO DO RESEARCH,
READING TEAM OF RIVALS AND CONTINUING TO DO RESEARCH, YOU START TO GET A SENSE THAT
CONTINUING TO DO RESEARCH, YOU START TO GET A SENSE THAT THERE WERE MAJOR THEMES THAT
YOU START TO GET A SENSE THAT THERE WERE MAJOR THEMES THAT EMERGED AND THAT HE DEALT
THERE WERE MAJOR THEMES THAT EMERGED AND THAT HE DEALT WITH THOSE THEMES OVER AND
EMERGED AND THAT HE DEALT WITH THOSE THEMES OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THE NEED TO MAKE
WITH THOSE THEMES OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THE NEED TO MAKE THE UNION -- TO PRESERVE AND
OVER AGAIN, THE NEED TO MAKE THE UNION -- TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE UNION AND BRING
THE UNION -- TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE UNION AND BRING THE SOUTHERN STATES INTO THE
PROTECT THE UNION AND BRING THE SOUTHERN STATES INTO THE UNION AND ABOLISH SLAVERY AND
THE SOUTHERN STATES INTO THE UNION AND ABOLISH SLAVERY AND SORT OF DO THAT BALANCING ACT
UNION AND ABOLISH SLAVERY AND SORT OF DO THAT BALANCING ACT AS ONE OF THE MAJOR THESE,
SORT OF DO THAT BALANCING ACT AS ONE OF THE MAJOR THESE, AND WE STARTED TO LOOK FOR A
AS ONE OF THE MAJOR THESE, AND WE STARTED TO LOOK FOR A MOMENT IN HIS PRESIDENCY THAT
AND WE STARTED TO LOOK FOR A MOMENT IN HIS PRESIDENCY THAT WOULD CONTAIN ALL THOSE
MOMENT IN HIS PRESIDENCY THAT WOULD CONTAIN ALL THOSE THINGS AND GIVE US A CHANCE
WOULD CONTAIN ALL THOSE THINGS AND GIVE US A CHANCE TO MOVE IT AT A PACE THAT'S
THINGS AND GIVE US A CHANCE TO MOVE IT AT A PACE THAT'S DETERMINED MORE BY DRAMA THAN
TO MOVE IT AT A PACE THAT'S DETERMINED MORE BY DRAMA THAN BY NEEDING TO COVER THIS
DETERMINED MORE BY DRAMA THAN BY NEEDING TO COVER THIS ENORMOUSLY COMPLICATED
BY NEEDING TO COVER THIS ENORMOUSLY COMPLICATED HISTORY.
ENORMOUSLY COMPLICATED HISTORY. AND WHEN WE FOUND THE 13TH
HISTORY. AND WHEN WE FOUND THE 13TH AMENDMENT, WHICH IS A STORY
AND WHEN WE FOUND THE 13TH AMENDMENT, WHICH IS A STORY THAT MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW
AMENDMENT, WHICH IS A STORY THAT MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW AND WHICH INVOLVED A CERTAIN
THAT MOST PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW AND WHICH INVOLVED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ACTION THAT NO ONE
AND WHICH INVOLVED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ACTION THAT NO ONE HAS ANY RECORD OF, THAT
AMOUNT OF ACTION THAT NO ONE HAS ANY RECORD OF, THAT HAPPENED BEHIND THE SCENES,
HAS ANY RECORD OF, THAT HAPPENED BEHIND THE SCENES, THAT FELT LIKE IT WAS A
HAPPENED BEHIND THE SCENES, THAT FELT LIKE IT WAS A REALLY GREAT PLACE FOR
THAT FELT LIKE IT WAS A REALLY GREAT PLACE FOR HISTORICAL DRAMA TO TAKE OVER
REALLY GREAT PLACE FOR HISTORICAL DRAMA TO TAKE OVER FOR HISTORY.
HISTORICAL DRAMA TO TAKE OVER FOR HISTORY. >> STEVEN, WERE THERE ANY
FOR HISTORY. >> STEVEN, WERE THERE ANY MUST-HAVES THAT YOU FELT THAT
>> STEVEN, WERE THERE ANY MUST-HAVES THAT YOU FELT THAT RELATED TO THE STORY THAT YOU
MUST-HAVES THAT YOU FELT THAT RELATED TO THE STORY THAT YOU WANTED TO TELL?
RELATED TO THE STORY THAT YOU WANTED TO TELL? I MEAN, WERE THERE SOME BEATS
WANTED TO TELL? I MEAN, WERE THERE SOME BEATS THAT YOU DEFINITELY KNEW THAT
I MEAN, WERE THERE SOME BEATS THAT YOU DEFINITELY KNEW THAT YOU WANTED TO INCORPORATE?
THAT YOU DEFINITELY KNEW THAT YOU WANTED TO INCORPORATE? >> ONE THING I WANTED -- ONE
YOU WANTED TO INCORPORATE? >> ONE THING I WANTED -- ONE OF THE FIRST IMAGES I HAD
>> ONE THING I WANTED -- ONE OF THE FIRST IMAGES I HAD WHICH REALLY DEALT WITH
OF THE FIRST IMAGES I HAD WHICH REALLY DEALT WITH RATHER BRIEFLY IN THE FILM
WHICH REALLY DEALT WITH RATHER BRIEFLY IN THE FILM ITSELF, THERE WAS AN IMAGE I
RATHER BRIEFLY IN THE FILM ITSELF, THERE WAS AN IMAGE I HAD OF LINCOLN WHEN HE WAS
ITSELF, THERE WAS AN IMAGE I HAD OF LINCOLN WHEN HE WAS RUMINATING AND DEEPLY --
HAD OF LINCOLN WHEN HE WAS RUMINATING AND DEEPLY -- LINCOLN WENT VERY, VERY DEEP.
RUMINATING AND DEEPLY -- LINCOLN WENT VERY, VERY DEEP. THE THING I ALWAYS SAY ABOUT
LINCOLN WENT VERY, VERY DEEP. THE THING I ALWAYS SAY ABOUT LINCOLN WAS HE COULD SEE THE
THE THING I ALWAYS SAY ABOUT LINCOLN WAS HE COULD SEE THE FAR HORIZON, ALMOST LIKE HE
LINCOLN WAS HE COULD SEE THE FAR HORIZON, ALMOST LIKE HE KNEW WHAT THE FAR HORIZON WAS
FAR HORIZON, ALMOST LIKE HE KNEW WHAT THE FAR HORIZON WAS TELLING HIM HE NEEDED TO DO.
KNEW WHAT THE FAR HORIZON WAS TELLING HIM HE NEEDED TO DO. HE COULDN'T DO THAT WITHOUT A
TELLING HIM HE NEEDED TO DO. HE COULDN'T DO THAT WITHOUT A DEEP APPRECIATION OF WHAT
HE COULDN'T DO THAT WITHOUT A DEEP APPRECIATION OF WHAT CAME BEFORE HIM, ALL THOSE
DEEP APPRECIATION OF WHAT CAME BEFORE HIM, ALL THOSE WHO PRECEDED HIM, BUT WHILE
CAME BEFORE HIM, ALL THOSE WHO PRECEDED HIM, BUT WHILE HE COULD SEE OUT AND IN
WHO PRECEDED HIM, BUT WHILE HE COULD SEE OUT AND IN REVERSE, HE COULD SEE EVEN
HE COULD SEE OUT AND IN REVERSE, HE COULD SEE EVEN FURTHER WITHIN HIMSELF,
REVERSE, HE COULD SEE EVEN FURTHER WITHIN HIMSELF, INSIDE OF HIMSELF.
FURTHER WITHIN HIMSELF, INSIDE OF HIMSELF. AND I REALLY WANTED TO
INSIDE OF HIMSELF. AND I REALLY WANTED TO EXPLORE WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR
AND I REALLY WANTED TO EXPLORE WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR LINCOLN TO MAKE A DECISION.
EXPLORE WHAT IT WAS LIKE FOR LINCOLN TO MAKE A DECISION. I THOUGHT THAT THE PAUSES
LINCOLN TO MAKE A DECISION. I THOUGHT THAT THE PAUSES WERE GOING TO BE VERY, VERY
I THOUGHT THAT THE PAUSES WERE GOING TO BE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, THE MOMENTS HE
WERE GOING TO BE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, THE MOMENTS HE WASN'T SPEAKING WAS GOING TO
IMPORTANT, THE MOMENTS HE WASN'T SPEAKING WAS GOING TO TELL US AS MUCH AS THOSE WHEN
WASN'T SPEAKING WAS GOING TO TELL US AS MUCH AS THOSE WHEN HE WAS SPEAKING.
TELL US AS MUCH AS THOSE WHEN HE WAS SPEAKING. AND SO I HAD THIS IMAGE OF
HE WAS SPEAKING. AND SO I HAD THIS IMAGE OF LINCOLN LIVING, THE LIVING
AND SO I HAD THIS IMAGE OF LINCOLN LIVING, THE LIVING PRESIDENT, HAUNTING HIS OWN
LINCOLN LIVING, THE LIVING PRESIDENT, HAUNTING HIS OWN WHITE HOUSE, JUST TAKING
PRESIDENT, HAUNTING HIS OWN WHITE HOUSE, JUST TAKING STROLLS UP AND DOWN THE LONG
WHITE HOUSE, JUST TAKING STROLLS UP AND DOWN THE LONG WIDE CORRIDORS OF THE
STROLLS UP AND DOWN THE LONG WIDE CORRIDORS OF THE RESIDENCE, THEN DOWN BELOW,
WIDE CORRIDORS OF THE RESIDENCE, THEN DOWN BELOW, JUST WORKING THINGS OUT.
RESIDENCE, THEN DOWN BELOW, JUST WORKING THINGS OUT. THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST
JUST WORKING THINGS OUT. THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST IMAGES I HAD IN THE FILM.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST IMAGES I HAD IN THE FILM. IT WAS DEALT WITH VERY
IMAGES I HAD IN THE FILM. IT WAS DEALT WITH VERY BRIEFLY, WHEN HE IS DECIDING
IT WAS DEALT WITH VERY BRIEFLY, WHEN HE IS DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO BRING THE
BRIEFLY, WHEN HE IS DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO BRING THE PEACE COMMISSIONERS TO
WHETHER OR NOT TO BRING THE PEACE COMMISSIONERS TO WASHINGTON CITY OR KEEP THEM
PEACE COMMISSIONERS TO WASHINGTON CITY OR KEEP THEM ON THE RIVER QUEEN, BUT THAT
WASHINGTON CITY OR KEEP THEM ON THE RIVER QUEEN, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST
ON THE RIVER QUEEN, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST IMAGES THAT I COMMUNICATED TO
WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST IMAGES THAT I COMMUNICATED TO TONY.
IMAGES THAT I COMMUNICATED TO TONY. >> I THINK FOR ME, THE
TONY. >> I THINK FOR ME, THE MUST-HAVE, AND I PROBABLY WAS
>> I THINK FOR ME, THE MUST-HAVE, AND I PROBABLY WAS A PEST IN TALKING TO TONY
MUST-HAVE, AND I PROBABLY WAS A PEST IN TALKING TO TONY ABOUT IT, WAS YOU GOT TO HAVE
A PEST IN TALKING TO TONY ABOUT IT, WAS YOU GOT TO HAVE HIM TELL AS MANY STORIES AS
ABOUT IT, WAS YOU GOT TO HAVE HIM TELL AS MANY STORIES AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN, BECAUSE THE
HIM TELL AS MANY STORIES AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN, BECAUSE THE STORIES ARE HIS WHOLE -- HIS
YOU POSSIBLY CAN, BECAUSE THE STORIES ARE HIS WHOLE -- HIS WHOLE FACE CHANGED WHEN HE
STORIES ARE HIS WHOLE -- HIS WHOLE FACE CHANGED WHEN HE TOLD A STORY AND DANIEL MADE
WHOLE FACE CHANGED WHEN HE TOLD A STORY AND DANIEL MADE THAT HAPPEN AND PEOPLE SAID
TOLD A STORY AND DANIEL MADE THAT HAPPEN AND PEOPLE SAID YOU COULD LOOK AT HIM NOT
THAT HAPPEN AND PEOPLE SAID YOU COULD LOOK AT HIM NOT MOVING AND JUST, HE WOULD BE
YOU COULD LOOK AT HIM NOT MOVING AND JUST, HE WOULD BE THE FATTEST PERSON IN THE
MOVING AND JUST, HE WOULD BE THE FATTEST PERSON IN THE WORLD.
THE FATTEST PERSON IN THE WORLD. YOU FELT LIKE THE MELANCHOLY
WORLD. YOU FELT LIKE THE MELANCHOLY HAD SPREAD OVER HIS BODY AND
YOU FELT LIKE THE MELANCHOLY HAD SPREAD OVER HIS BODY AND THEN HE STARTED TELLING ONE
HAD SPREAD OVER HIS BODY AND THEN HE STARTED TELLING ONE OF THESE STORIES.
THEN HE STARTED TELLING ONE OF THESE STORIES. AND INCLUDING THE ETHAN ALLEN
OF THESE STORIES. AND INCLUDING THE ETHAN ALLEN STORY.
AND INCLUDING THE ETHAN ALLEN STORY. I REMEMBER WHO HE WAS ON JON
STORY. I REMEMBER WHO HE WAS ON JON STEWART WHEN THE BOOK CAME
I REMEMBER WHO HE WAS ON JON STEWART WHEN THE BOOK CAME OUT AND I TOLD THAT STORY AND
STEWART WHEN THE BOOK CAME OUT AND I TOLD THAT STORY AND I WAS BLEEPED ON JON STEWART
OUT AND I TOLD THAT STORY AND I WAS BLEEPED ON JON STEWART AND NOW IT'S IN THE MOVIE.
I WAS BLEEPED ON JON STEWART AND NOW IT'S IN THE MOVIE. >> THE ONLY 4-LETTER WORD I
AND NOW IT'S IN THE MOVIE. >> THE ONLY 4-LETTER WORD I MANAGED TO GET INTO THAT
>> THE ONLY 4-LETTER WORD I MANAGED TO GET INTO THAT WHOLE THING!
MANAGED TO GET INTO THAT WHOLE THING! LINCOLN SUDDENLY --
WHOLE THING! LINCOLN SUDDENLY -- >> THE FUNNY THING, IS THAT
LINCOLN SUDDENLY -- >> THE FUNNY THING, IS THAT SAME NIGHT, I SOMEHOW
>> THE FUNNY THING, IS THAT SAME NIGHT, I SOMEHOW MENTIONED, THERE'S A GREAT
SAME NIGHT, I SOMEHOW MENTIONED, THERE'S A GREAT PICTURE OF LINCOLN, I'M SURE
MENTIONED, THERE'S A GREAT PICTURE OF LINCOLN, I'M SURE YOU KNOW IT, WHERE HE DOESN'T
PICTURE OF LINCOLN, I'M SURE YOU KNOW IT, WHERE HE DOESN'T HAVE THE BEARD AND HAS THAT
YOU KNOW IT, WHERE HE DOESN'T HAVE THE BEARD AND HAS THAT RUGET LOOK AND I MENTIONED TO
HAVE THE BEARD AND HAS THAT RUGET LOOK AND I MENTIONED TO JON STEWART I THOUGHT HE WAS
RUGET LOOK AND I MENTIONED TO JON STEWART I THOUGHT HE WAS SEXY AND THAT'S THE LAST
JON STEWART I THOUGHT HE WAS SEXY AND THAT'S THE LAST THING YOU WOULD THINK OF AS
SEXY AND THAT'S THE LAST THING YOU WOULD THINK OF AS ABRAHAM LYNNON BUT NOW THAT
THING YOU WOULD THINK OF AS ABRAHAM LYNNON BUT NOW THAT DANIEL DAY-LEWIS IS LINCOLN,
ABRAHAM LYNNON BUT NOW THAT DANIEL DAY-LEWIS IS LINCOLN, I WAS RIGHT!
DANIEL DAY-LEWIS IS LINCOLN, I WAS RIGHT! >> LET ME ASK YOU, DORIS,
I WAS RIGHT! >> LET ME ASK YOU, DORIS, WHEN YOU SENT BASICALLY --
>> LET ME ASK YOU, DORIS, WHEN YOU SENT BASICALLY -- BASICALLY THE MANUSCRIPT HAD
WHEN YOU SENT BASICALLY -- BASICALLY THE MANUSCRIPT HAD ALREADY BEEN OPTIONED,
BASICALLY THE MANUSCRIPT HAD ALREADY BEEN OPTIONED, KNOWING THAT IT WAS BECOME A
ALREADY BEEN OPTIONED, KNOWING THAT IT WAS BECOME A FILM, DID IT IN ANY WAY
KNOWING THAT IT WAS BECOME A FILM, DID IT IN ANY WAY CHANGE THE WAY YOU APPROACHED
FILM, DID IT IN ANY WAY CHANGE THE WAY YOU APPROACHED THE MATERIAL IN TERMS OF
CHANGE THE WAY YOU APPROACHED THE MATERIAL IN TERMS OF VISUALIZATION OR WERE YOU
THE MATERIAL IN TERMS OF VISUALIZATION OR WERE YOU STILL WRITING FOR THE BOOK OR
VISUALIZATION OR WERE YOU STILL WRITING FOR THE BOOK OR BEGINNING TO THINK VISUALLY?
STILL WRITING FOR THE BOOK OR BEGINNING TO THINK VISUALLY? >> IT'S A WONDERFUL QUESTION.
BEGINNING TO THINK VISUALLY? >> IT'S A WONDERFUL QUESTION. I DON'T THINK I WAS.
>> IT'S A WONDERFUL QUESTION. I DON'T THINK I WAS. I THINK IT'S A WHOLLY
I DON'T THINK I WAS. I THINK IT'S A WHOLLY DIFFERENT TALENT TO BE ABLE
I THINK IT'S A WHOLLY DIFFERENT TALENT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THINGS VISUALLY, AND I
DIFFERENT TALENT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THINGS VISUALLY, AND I DON'T HAVE IT.
TO SEE THINGS VISUALLY, AND I DON'T HAVE IT. I MEAN, I NEED WORDS, I NEED
DON'T HAVE IT. I MEAN, I NEED WORDS, I NEED DIARIES, I NEED DOCUMENTS,
I MEAN, I NEED WORDS, I NEED DIARIES, I NEED DOCUMENTS, AND THEN I CAN CREATE
DIARIES, I NEED DOCUMENTS, AND THEN I CAN CREATE CHARACTERS IN THEIR
AND THEN I CAN CREATE CHARACTERS IN THEIR RELATIONSHIPS, BECAUSE I LOVE
CHARACTERS IN THEIR RELATIONSHIPS, BECAUSE I LOVE THAT, BUT I WOULD NEVER HAVE
RELATIONSHIPS, BECAUSE I LOVE THAT, BUT I WOULD NEVER HAVE THOUGHT OF WHAT YOU SAID,
THAT, BUT I WOULD NEVER HAVE THOUGHT OF WHAT YOU SAID, SEEING HIM WALKING DOWN A
THOUGHT OF WHAT YOU SAID, SEEING HIM WALKING DOWN A HALLWAY AND THAT SYMBOLIZING
SEEING HIM WALKING DOWN A HALLWAY AND THAT SYMBOLIZING SOMETHING ABOUT HIS
HALLWAY AND THAT SYMBOLIZING SOMETHING ABOUT HIS RUMINATING POWERS, AND THAT'S
SOMETHING ABOUT HIS RUMINATING POWERS, AND THAT'S WHAT WAS SO MUCH FUN FOR ME,
RUMINATING POWERS, AND THAT'S WHAT WAS SO MUCH FUN FOR ME, TO BE ABLE TO MARRY ONE SET
WHAT WAS SO MUCH FUN FOR ME, TO BE ABLE TO MARRY ONE SET OF SKILLS -- I MEAN, TONY HAS
TO BE ABLE TO MARRY ONE SET OF SKILLS -- I MEAN, TONY HAS BOTH, OBVIOUSLY.
OF SKILLS -- I MEAN, TONY HAS BOTH, OBVIOUSLY. HE CAN BOTH DO THE WORDS AND
BOTH, OBVIOUSLY. HE CAN BOTH DO THE WORDS AND THE VISUAL, AND YOU CAN, TOO,
HE CAN BOTH DO THE WORDS AND THE VISUAL, AND YOU CAN, TOO, BUT I'M A WORD GIRL.
THE VISUAL, AND YOU CAN, TOO, BUT I'M A WORD GIRL. >> WORD IS FIRST!
BUT I'M A WORD GIRL. >> WORD IS FIRST! >> I WAS TOLD THAT PRESIDENT
>> WORD IS FIRST! >> I WAS TOLD THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT
>> I WAS TOLD THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT SINCE LINCOLN TO HANG A COPY
OBAMA IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT SINCE LINCOLN TO HANG A COPY OF THE EMANCIPATION
SINCE LINCOLN TO HANG A COPY OF THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION ON THE OVAL
OF THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION ON THE OVAL OFFICE, THAT BEING SAID, WHAT
PROCLAMATION ON THE OVAL OFFICE, THAT BEING SAID, WHAT WAS THE DRIVING FORCE THAT
OFFICE, THAT BEING SAID, WHAT WAS THE DRIVING FORCE THAT BROUGHT YOU TO FOCUS THE
WAS THE DRIVING FORCE THAT BROUGHT YOU TO FOCUS THE MOVIE ON THE PASSAGE OF THE
BROUGHT YOU TO FOCUS THE MOVIE ON THE PASSAGE OF THE 13TH AMENDMENT?
MOVIE ON THE PASSAGE OF THE 13TH AMENDMENT? >> WELL, THROUGH OUR RESEARCH
13TH AMENDMENT? >> WELL, THROUGH OUR RESEARCH AND THROUGH A LOT OF READING,
>> WELL, THROUGH OUR RESEARCH AND THROUGH A LOT OF READING, ESPECIALLY ON TONY'S PART,
AND THROUGH A LOT OF READING, ESPECIALLY ON TONY'S PART, TONY MADE ME AWARE OF
ESPECIALLY ON TONY'S PART, TONY MADE ME AWARE OF SOMETHING THAT I WASN'T AWARE
TONY MADE ME AWARE OF SOMETHING THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF, BASICALLY BEING, YOU KNOW
SOMETHING THAT I WASN'T AWARE OF, BASICALLY BEING, YOU KNOW , A HIGH SCHOOL HISTORY
OF, BASICALLY BEING, YOU KNOW , A HIGH SCHOOL HISTORY STUDENT, AND IT SORT OF
, A HIGH SCHOOL HISTORY STUDENT, AND IT SORT OF STOPPED THERE AND AFTER THAT
STUDENT, AND IT SORT OF STOPPED THERE AND AFTER THAT EVERYTHING ELSE BECAME BOOKS
STOPPED THERE AND AFTER THAT EVERYTHING ELSE BECAME BOOKS OF INTEREST THAT PIQUED MY
EVERYTHING ELSE BECAME BOOKS OF INTEREST THAT PIQUED MY INTEREST.
OF INTEREST THAT PIQUED MY INTEREST. LINCOLN WAS ONE OF THEM.
INTEREST. LINCOLN WAS ONE OF THEM. BUT I DIDN'T READ THIS AND I
LINCOLN WAS ONE OF THEM. BUT I DIDN'T READ THIS AND I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT
BUT I DIDN'T READ THIS AND I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE LEGALITY OR ILLEGALITIES
REALLY DIDN'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE LEGALITY OR ILLEGALITIES OF THE EMANCIPATION
THE LEGALITY OR ILLEGALITIES OF THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION, UNTIL TONY
OF THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION, UNTIL TONY POINTED OUT THAT IT WOULD
PROCLAMATION, UNTIL TONY POINTED OUT THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT
POINTED OUT THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT IMMEDIATELY AT THE END OF --
HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT IMMEDIATELY AT THE END OF -- AT THE CESSATION OF HOS OLTS
IMMEDIATELY AT THE END OF -- AT THE CESSATION OF HOS OLTS -- HOSTILITIES AND THE SLAVES
AT THE CESSATION OF HOS OLTS -- HOSTILITIES AND THE SLAVES WERE RETURNED TO THE FORMER
-- HOSTILITIES AND THE SLAVES WERE RETURNED TO THE FORMER MASTERS.
WERE RETURNED TO THE FORMER MASTERS. AND I WAS RAISED THINKING THE
MASTERS. AND I WAS RAISED THINKING THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION WAS
AND I WAS RAISED THINKING THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION WAS THE GREATEST WORK LINCOLN
EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION WAS THE GREATEST WORK LINCOLN EVER DID WITH HIS CAREER,
THE GREATEST WORK LINCOLN EVER DID WITH HIS CAREER, WITH HIS LIFE.
EVER DID WITH HIS CAREER, WITH HIS LIFE. UNTIL NOT JUST TONY BUT OTHER
WITH HIS LIFE. UNTIL NOT JUST TONY BUT OTHER HISTORIANS WERE CONSULTING
UNTIL NOT JUST TONY BUT OTHER HISTORIANS WERE CONSULTING WITH US AND OTHER BOOKS WE
HISTORIANS WERE CONSULTING WITH US AND OTHER BOOKS WE WERE READING POINTED OUT THAT
WITH US AND OTHER BOOKS WE WERE READING POINTED OUT THAT IT WAS A VERY TENUOUS WAR
WERE READING POINTED OUT THAT IT WAS A VERY TENUOUS WAR MEASURE, JUST LIKE THE
IT WAS A VERY TENUOUS WAR MEASURE, JUST LIKE THE LIFTING -- JUST LIKE THE WRIT
MEASURE, JUST LIKE THE LIFTING -- JUST LIKE THE WRIT OF HABEAS CORPUS, SUSPENDING
LIFTING -- JUST LIKE THE WRIT OF HABEAS CORPUS, SUSPENDING THAT BECAUSE OF ACTIVISTS IN
OF HABEAS CORPUS, SUSPENDING THAT BECAUSE OF ACTIVISTS IN WASHINGTON CITY, SO ALL OF
THAT BECAUSE OF ACTIVISTS IN WASHINGTON CITY, SO ALL OF THE INTERESTING WRINKLES THIS
WASHINGTON CITY, SO ALL OF THE INTERESTING WRINKLES THIS & THIS AMAZING, CRAZY QUILT
THE INTERESTING WRINKLES THIS & THIS AMAZING, CRAZY QUILT OF EVENTS TOOK PLACE FROM
& THIS AMAZING, CRAZY QUILT OF EVENTS TOOK PLACE FROM 1860 AND 1865, REALLY KIND OF
OF EVENTS TOOK PLACE FROM 1860 AND 1865, REALLY KIND OF FOCUSED MY ATTENTION ON THE
1860 AND 1865, REALLY KIND OF FOCUSED MY ATTENTION ON THE ONE LASTING PERMANENT
FOCUSED MY ATTENTION ON THE ONE LASTING PERMANENT CONSTITUTIONAL ARMED THAT
ONE LASTING PERMANENT CONSTITUTIONAL ARMED THAT WOULD UNEQUIVOCALLY END
CONSTITUTIONAL ARMED THAT WOULD UNEQUIVOCALLY END SLAVERY FOR ALL TIME.
WOULD UNEQUIVOCALLY END SLAVERY FOR ALL TIME. >> I THOUGHT YOUR CHOICE WAS
SLAVERY FOR ALL TIME. >> I THOUGHT YOUR CHOICE WAS BOLD AND VERY TIMELY, AS A
>> I THOUGHT YOUR CHOICE WAS BOLD AND VERY TIMELY, AS A MATTER OF FACT.
BOLD AND VERY TIMELY, AS A MATTER OF FACT. GIVEN THE CURRENT POLITICAL
MATTER OF FACT. GIVEN THE CURRENT POLITICAL AND RACIAL POLARIZATION IN
GIVEN THE CURRENT POLITICAL AND RACIAL POLARIZATION IN OUR COUNTRY, WERE YOU
AND RACIAL POLARIZATION IN OUR COUNTRY, WERE YOU CONCERNED THAT THE FILM MIGHT
OUR COUNTRY, WERE YOU CONCERNED THAT THE FILM MIGHT WITH THAT SUBJECT MATTER HAVE
CONCERNED THAT THE FILM MIGHT WITH THAT SUBJECT MATTER HAVE BACKLASHED OR AT LEAST HAVE
WITH THAT SUBJECT MATTER HAVE BACKLASHED OR AT LEAST HAVE MORE CRITICS AND POLITICAL
BACKLASHED OR AT LEAST HAVE MORE CRITICS AND POLITICAL PUNDITS AGAINST IT THAN
MORE CRITICS AND POLITICAL PUNDITS AGAINST IT THAN NORMAL?
PUNDITS AGAINST IT THAN NORMAL? >> WELL, MY ENTIRE OUTLOOK ON
NORMAL? >> WELL, MY ENTIRE OUTLOOK ON FILM IS I ALWAYS EXPECT THE
>> WELL, MY ENTIRE OUTLOOK ON FILM IS I ALWAYS EXPECT THE WORST AND A.M. AMAZED WHEN
FILM IS I ALWAYS EXPECT THE WORST AND A.M. AMAZED WHEN THE WORST DOESN'T OCCUR.
WORST AND A.M. AMAZED WHEN THE WORST DOESN'T OCCUR. ALWAYS.
THE WORST DOESN'T OCCUR. ALWAYS. >> [LAUGHTER]
ALWAYS. >> [LAUGHTER] >> SO I BRACE FOR THE WORST,
>> [LAUGHTER] >> SO I BRACE FOR THE WORST, I BRACE FOR COMPLETELY
>> SO I BRACE FOR THE WORST, I BRACE FOR COMPLETELY PUTTING UP THE STEEL WALLS
I BRACE FOR COMPLETELY PUTTING UP THE STEEL WALLS AND JUST LETTING THE -- KIND
PUTTING UP THE STEEL WALLS AND JUST LETTING THE -- KIND OF LIKE WHEN STANTON WAS --
AND JUST LETTING THE -- KIND OF LIKE WHEN STANTON WAS -- FORT FISHER, BOMBARDING FORT
OF LIKE WHEN STANTON WAS -- FORT FISHER, BOMBARDING FORT FISHER, 100 SHELLS A MINUTE,
FORT FISHER, BOMBARDING FORT FISHER, 100 SHELLS A MINUTE, I WAS EXPECTING THAT TO COME
FISHER, 100 SHELLS A MINUTE, I WAS EXPECTING THAT TO COME FALLING UPON US, BECAUSE
I WAS EXPECTING THAT TO COME FALLING UPON US, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT
FALLING UPON US, BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT SCHOLARS, EDUCATORS AND
THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT SCHOLARS, EDUCATORS AND HISTORIANS, THEY DON'T ALL
SCHOLARS, EDUCATORS AND HISTORIANS, THEY DON'T ALL SEE LINCOLN AND THE CIVIL WAR
HISTORIANS, THEY DON'T ALL SEE LINCOLN AND THE CIVIL WAR THE SAME WAY AND TONY
SEE LINCOLN AND THE CIVIL WAR THE SAME WAY AND TONY DISCOVERED HIS WAY IN, THAT
THE SAME WAY AND TONY DISCOVERED HIS WAY IN, THAT ALLOWED TONY TO AGREE TO
DISCOVERED HIS WAY IN, THAT ALLOWED TONY TO AGREE TO WRITE LINCOLN FROM DORIS'
ALLOWED TONY TO AGREE TO WRITE LINCOLN FROM DORIS' BOOK, WAS THAT WHEN I HELD A
WRITE LINCOLN FROM DORIS' BOOK, WAS THAT WHEN I HELD A SYMPOSIUM WITH 16 OF THE
BOOK, WAS THAT WHEN I HELD A SYMPOSIUM WITH 16 OF THE GREATEST AMERICAN HISTORIANS
SYMPOSIUM WITH 16 OF THE GREATEST AMERICAN HISTORIANS ABOUT THE WAR AND ABOUT
GREATEST AMERICAN HISTORIANS ABOUT THE WAR AND ABOUT LINCOLN'S LIFE AND TIMES,
ABOUT THE WAR AND ABOUT LINCOLN'S LIFE AND TIMES, THAT THERE WAS BROAD
LINCOLN'S LIFE AND TIMES, THAT THERE WAS BROAD AGREEMENT, BUT THERE WAS ALSO
THAT THERE WAS BROAD AGREEMENT, BUT THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT IN THE
AGREEMENT, BUT THERE WAS ALSO A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT IN THE DETAILS.
A LOT OF DISAGREEMENT IN THE DETAILS. THAT'S WHERE TONY SAID I CAN
DETAILS. THAT'S WHERE TONY SAID I CAN FIND MY VOICE.
THAT'S WHERE TONY SAID I CAN FIND MY VOICE. I CAN BE PART OF THAT
FIND MY VOICE. I CAN BE PART OF THAT DISAGREEMENT BY FINDING MY
I CAN BE PART OF THAT DISAGREEMENT BY FINDING MY OWN VOICE AND MY OWN WAY INTO
DISAGREEMENT BY FINDING MY OWN VOICE AND MY OWN WAY INTO TELLING THE STORY.
OWN VOICE AND MY OWN WAY INTO TELLING THE STORY. SO MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS, YES,
TELLING THE STORY. SO MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS, YES, THAT -- MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS I
SO MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS, YES, THAT -- MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS I WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO LOOK
THAT -- MY BIGGEST FEAR WAS I WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE $5 BILL AGAIN.
WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE $5 BILL AGAIN. THAT WAS IT.
AT THE $5 BILL AGAIN. THAT WAS IT. >> THE ONE THING THAT IS SO
THAT WAS IT. >> THE ONE THING THAT IS SO AMAZING ABOUT THIS MAN, SO
>> THE ONE THING THAT IS SO AMAZING ABOUT THIS MAN, SO SUCCESSFUL AS HE'S BEEN, YET,
AMAZING ABOUT THIS MAN, SO SUCCESSFUL AS HE'S BEEN, YET, SUCH A PROFESSIONAL, THAT HE
SUCCESSFUL AS HE'S BEEN, YET, SUCH A PROFESSIONAL, THAT HE WOULD FEAR WITH EACH MOVIE
SUCH A PROFESSIONAL, THAT HE WOULD FEAR WITH EACH MOVIE THAT THE STORM MIGHT COME.
WOULD FEAR WITH EACH MOVIE THAT THE STORM MIGHT COME. I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY
THAT THE STORM MIGHT COME. I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY HAS TO BE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY HAS TO BE. YOU CAN'T EVER TAKE ANYTHING
HAS TO BE. YOU CAN'T EVER TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED, AND IT'S GREAT
YOU CAN'T EVER TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED, AND IT'S GREAT THAT YOU, TOO --
FOR GRANTED, AND IT'S GREAT THAT YOU, TOO -- >> WHY DO YOU THINK I MAKE SO
THAT YOU, TOO -- >> WHY DO YOU THINK I MAKE SO MUCH SCIENCE FICTION!
>> WHY DO YOU THINK I MAKE SO MUCH SCIENCE FICTION! NOBODY CAN DISPUTE THAT!
MUCH SCIENCE FICTION! NOBODY CAN DISPUTE THAT! >> [APPLAUSE]
NOBODY CAN DISPUTE THAT! >> [APPLAUSE] >> [LAUGHTER]
>> [APPLAUSE] >> [LAUGHTER] >> IF I CAN ADD A COUPLE OF
>> [LAUGHTER] >> IF I CAN ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS, I THINK THAT ONE OF
>> IF I CAN ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF FOCUSING ON
THINGS, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES OF FOCUSING ON THE 13TH AMENDMENT IS THAT --
THE ADVANTAGES OF FOCUSING ON THE 13TH AMENDMENT IS THAT -- WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS A
THE 13TH AMENDMENT IS THAT -- WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT, DORIS, STEVEN AND I,
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT, DORIS, STEVEN AND I, WHEN WE BEGAN THIS PROJECT,
LOT, DORIS, STEVEN AND I, WHEN WE BEGAN THIS PROJECT, SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO, IT WAS
WHEN WE BEGAN THIS PROJECT, SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO, IT WAS WHEN I GOT INVOLVED, THAT IF
SIX, SEVEN YEARS AGO, IT WAS WHEN I GOT INVOLVED, THAT IF YOU MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT
WHEN I GOT INVOLVED, THAT IF YOU MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WHO WAS
YOU MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WHO WAS CLEARLY A GENIOUS ON A NUMBER
ABRAHAM LINCOLN, WHO WAS CLEARLY A GENIOUS ON A NUMBER OF FRONTS, HE WAS A POLITICAL
CLEARLY A GENIOUS ON A NUMBER OF FRONTS, HE WAS A POLITICAL GENIOUS, I THINK A THINKER, A
OF FRONTS, HE WAS A POLITICAL GENIOUS, I THINK A THINKER, A THINKING GENIOUS, A WRITER,
GENIOUS, I THINK A THINKER, A THINKING GENIOUS, A WRITER, AND PROBABLY THE MOST
THINKING GENIOUS, A WRITER, AND PROBABLY THE MOST EXTRAORDINARY PERSON IN HIS
AND PROBABLY THE MOST EXTRAORDINARY PERSON IN HIS OFFICE.
EXTRAORDINARY PERSON IN HIS OFFICE. IF YOU'RE SAYING WELL, WE GOT
OFFICE. IF YOU'RE SAYING WELL, WE GOT LUCKY THIS ONCE AND THIS
IF YOU'RE SAYING WELL, WE GOT LUCKY THIS ONCE AND THIS UNBELIEVABLE PERSON SHOWED UP
LUCKY THIS ONCE AND THIS UNBELIEVABLE PERSON SHOWED UP WHO IS AS GREAT AS
UNBELIEVABLE PERSON SHOWED UP WHO IS AS GREAT AS SHAKESPEARE, MOZART,
WHO IS AS GREAT AS SHAKESPEARE, MOZART, WHATEVER, AND HE WAS
SHAKESPEARE, MOZART, WHATEVER, AND HE WAS ASSASSINATED, WHAT DO WE DO,
WHATEVER, AND HE WAS ASSASSINATED, WHAT DO WE DO, WE'RE SORT OF SCREWED, AND I
ASSASSINATED, WHAT DO WE DO, WE'RE SORT OF SCREWED, AND I DON'T THINK -- IT'S NOT A
WE'RE SORT OF SCREWED, AND I DON'T THINK -- IT'S NOT A PARTICULARLY VALUABLE TAKE
DON'T THINK -- IT'S NOT A PARTICULARLY VALUABLE TAKE HOME, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT.
PARTICULARLY VALUABLE TAKE HOME, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT. BUT CONCENTRATING ON A MOMENT
HOME, YOU KNOW, FROM THAT. BUT CONCENTRATING ON A MOMENT WHEN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH WAS
BUT CONCENTRATING ON A MOMENT WHEN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH WAS SORT OF STEPPING INTO THE
WHEN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH WAS SORT OF STEPPING INTO THE TERRITORY OF THE LEGISLATIVE
SORT OF STEPPING INTO THE TERRITORY OF THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH, WE WOUND UP MAKING A
TERRITORY OF THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH, WE WOUND UP MAKING A MOVIE THAT'S BOTH ABOUT
BRANCH, WE WOUND UP MAKING A MOVIE THAT'S BOTH ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND ALSO
MOVIE THAT'S BOTH ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND ALSO ABOUT THE HOUSE OF
ABRAHAM LINCOLN AND ALSO ABOUT THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WHICH
ABOUT THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WHICH DOESN'T FEATURE PROMINENTLY
REPRESENTATIVES, WHICH DOESN'T FEATURE PROMINENTLY IN HOW WE WOULD BE FILM
DOESN'T FEATURE PROMINENTLY IN HOW WE WOULD BE FILM MAKING.
IN HOW WE WOULD BE FILM MAKING. >> I THINK IT WILL IN THE
MAKING. >> I THINK IT WILL IN THE FUTURE.
>> I THINK IT WILL IN THE FUTURE. >> RIGHT.
FUTURE. >> RIGHT. AND ADDAMS FAMILY MADE ABOUT
>> RIGHT. AND ADDAMS FAMILY MADE ABOUT WHAT WE JUST SAW.
AND ADDAMS FAMILY MADE ABOUT WHAT WE JUST SAW. I THINK IF YOU HAD MADE IT
WHAT WE JUST SAW. I THINK IF YOU HAD MADE IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE A MOVIE THAT
I THINK IF YOU HAD MADE IT POSSIBLE TO MAKE A MOVIE THAT WAS ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN BUT
POSSIBLE TO MAKE A MOVIE THAT WAS ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN BUT ALSO ABOUT DEMOCRACY ITSELF
WAS ABOUT ABRAHAM LINCOLN BUT ALSO ABOUT DEMOCRACY ITSELF AND THE PROCESSES OF
ALSO ABOUT DEMOCRACY ITSELF AND THE PROCESSES OF GOVERNMENT AND ABOUT WHETHER
AND THE PROCESSES OF GOVERNMENT AND ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE A
GOVERNMENT AND ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT OR WHETHER OR NOT
OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE A DEVELOPMENT OR WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE ANARCHISTS, I THINK
DEVELOPMENT OR WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE ANARCHISTS, I THINK THAT WAS A REAL ADVANTAGE IN
WE'RE ANARCHISTS, I THINK THAT WAS A REAL ADVANTAGE IN DOING IT.
THAT WAS A REAL ADVANTAGE IN DOING IT. DORIS' BOOK WAS THE BEGINNING
DOING IT. DORIS' BOOK WAS THE BEGINNING FOR US AND DORIS' LINCOLN IS
DORIS' BOOK WAS THE BEGINNING FOR US AND DORIS' LINCOLN IS FIRST AND FOREMOST THE
FOR US AND DORIS' LINCOLN IS FIRST AND FOREMOST THE POLITICAL -- I MEAN, HE'S A
FIRST AND FOREMOST THE POLITICAL -- I MEAN, HE'S A FULLY DRAWN CHARACTER, BUT A
POLITICAL -- I MEAN, HE'S A FULLY DRAWN CHARACTER, BUT A POLITICAL ANIMAL, AND IT'S
FULLY DRAWN CHARACTER, BUT A POLITICAL ANIMAL, AND IT'S SOMETHING THEY THINK STEVEN
POLITICAL ANIMAL, AND IT'S SOMETHING THEY THINK STEVEN AND I BOTH FOUND COMPLETELY
SOMETHING THEY THINK STEVEN AND I BOTH FOUND COMPLETELY CONVINCING.
AND I BOTH FOUND COMPLETELY CONVINCING. IT WAS THE LINCOLN THAT WE
CONVINCING. IT WAS THE LINCOLN THAT WE WANTED TO DESCRIBE AND MAKE A
IT WAS THE LINCOLN THAT WE WANTED TO DESCRIBE AND MAKE A STORY ABOUT, AND HE WAS ADEPT
WANTED TO DESCRIBE AND MAKE A STORY ABOUT, AND HE WAS ADEPT AT POLITICAL THEATER.
STORY ABOUT, AND HE WAS ADEPT AT POLITICAL THEATER. >> RIGHT.
AT POLITICAL THEATER. >> RIGHT. >> AND SOMEBODY WHO JUST WAS
>> RIGHT. >> AND SOMEBODY WHO JUST WAS BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE AT
>> AND SOMEBODY WHO JUST WAS BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE AT HIS TIME.
BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE AT HIS TIME. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT THE
HIS TIME. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT THE TIME OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS A
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT THE TIME OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS A GROUP OF WHITE GUYS, MAKING
TIME OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS A GROUP OF WHITE GUYS, MAKING DECISIONS.
GROUP OF WHITE GUYS, MAKING DECISIONS. SO IF WE WERE GOING TO STAY
DECISIONS. SO IF WE WERE GOING TO STAY TRUE TO THE HISTORY OF THAT
SO IF WE WERE GOING TO STAY TRUE TO THE HISTORY OF THAT MOMENT, IT WAS GOING TO MEAN
TRUE TO THE HISTORY OF THAT MOMENT, IT WAS GOING TO MEAN THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE
MOMENT, IT WAS GOING TO MEAN THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE TELLING A STORY THAT
THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE TELLING A STORY THAT WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE
TELLING A STORY THAT WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE EVERY ASPECT OF THE HISTORY
WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE EVERY ASPECT OF THE HISTORY OF SLAVERY, EVERY ASPECT OF
EVERY ASPECT OF THE HISTORY OF SLAVERY, EVERY ASPECT OF THE CIVIL WAR.
OF SLAVERY, EVERY ASPECT OF THE CIVIL WAR. IT WAS GOING TO FOCUS ON THE
THE CIVIL WAR. IT WAS GOING TO FOCUS ON THE POLITICAL ARENA.
IT WAS GOING TO FOCUS ON THE POLITICAL ARENA. AND WE KNEW THAT THAT WOULD
POLITICAL ARENA. AND WE KNEW THAT THAT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE FOR SOME
AND WE KNEW THAT THAT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE FOR SOME PEOPLE, BUT WE BELIEVED THAT
BE A CHALLENGE FOR SOME PEOPLE, BUT WE BELIEVED THAT THE COUNTRY WAS AT A PLACE
PEOPLE, BUT WE BELIEVED THAT THE COUNTRY WAS AT A PLACE NOW WHERE IT COULD UNDERSTAND
THE COUNTRY WAS AT A PLACE NOW WHERE IT COULD UNDERSTAND AND GET WHAT WE WERE TRYING
NOW WHERE IT COULD UNDERSTAND AND GET WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO AND THAT SEEMS TO BE
AND GET WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO AND THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE.
TO DO AND THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE. >> I -- ONE OF THE FUNNIEST
THE CASE. >> I -- ONE OF THE FUNNIEST MOMENT SOCIAL SECURITY DURING
>> I -- ONE OF THE FUNNIEST MOMENT SOCIAL SECURITY DURING THE DEBATE IN THE MOVIE,
MOMENT SOCIAL SECURITY DURING THE DEBATE IN THE MOVIE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
THE DEBATE IN THE MOVIE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF TRYING TO PUSH
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF TRYING TO PUSH THEM TO SAY WE REALLY DO WANT
POSSIBILITY OF TRYING TO PUSH THEM TO SAY WE REALLY DO WANT THE VOTE FOR
THEM TO SAY WE REALLY DO WANT THE VOTE FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS, SOMEBODY
THE VOTE FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS, SOMEBODY SAYS BUT THEN MAYBE WOMEN
AFRICAN-AMERICANS, SOMEBODY SAYS BUT THEN MAYBE WOMEN WILL VOTE SOME PLAY!
SAYS BUT THEN MAYBE WOMEN WILL VOTE SOME PLAY! SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT WAS A
WILL VOTE SOME PLAY! SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT WAS A BUNCH OF WHITE GUYS!
SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT WAS A BUNCH OF WHITE GUYS! BUT --
BUNCH OF WHITE GUYS! BUT -- >> [LAUGHTER]
BUT -- >> [LAUGHTER] >> DORIS, THE INTERESTING
>> [LAUGHTER] >> DORIS, THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU
>> DORIS, THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU PICKED THE 13TH AMENDMENT WAS
THING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU PICKED THE 13TH AMENDMENT WAS THAT IT'S ONLY A FEW PAGES IN
PICKED THE 13TH AMENDMENT WAS THAT IT'S ONLY A FEW PAGES IN THE BOOK, FIVE, SIX PAGES.
THAT IT'S ONLY A FEW PAGES IN THE BOOK, FIVE, SIX PAGES. WHEN YOU HEARD WHAT THE MOVIE
THE BOOK, FIVE, SIX PAGES. WHEN YOU HEARD WHAT THE MOVIE WAS BASICALLY ABOUT, HOW DID
WHEN YOU HEARD WHAT THE MOVIE WAS BASICALLY ABOUT, HOW DID YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?
WAS BASICALLY ABOUT, HOW DID YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? >> WELL, I KNEW ALL ALONG
YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? >> WELL, I KNEW ALL ALONG WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND IT'S
>> WELL, I KNEW ALL ALONG WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND IT'S NOT LIKE THEY SUDDENLY TOLD
WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND IT'S NOT LIKE THEY SUDDENLY TOLD ME THIS IS ALL THAT IT'S
NOT LIKE THEY SUDDENLY TOLD ME THIS IS ALL THAT IT'S GOING TO BE, BECAUSE WE HAD
ME THIS IS ALL THAT IT'S GOING TO BE, BECAUSE WE HAD STARTED TALKING FROM THE VERY
GOING TO BE, BECAUSE WE HAD STARTED TALKING FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, SO I SAW IT COME
STARTED TALKING FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, SO I SAW IT COME DOWN FROM 550 TO 400 TO 300
BEGINNING, SO I SAW IT COME DOWN FROM 550 TO 400 TO 300 TO 200, BUT WHAT MATTERED TO
DOWN FROM 550 TO 400 TO 300 TO 200, BUT WHAT MATTERED TO ME MORE THAN ANYTHING AND
TO 200, BUT WHAT MATTERED TO ME MORE THAN ANYTHING AND WHAT THEY CAPTURED WAS
ME MORE THAN ANYTHING AND WHAT THEY CAPTURED WAS LINCOLN.
WHAT THEY CAPTURED WAS LINCOLN. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE
LINCOLN. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE PLOT IS.
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE PLOT IS. THE PLOT WAS DRAMATIC FOR THE
PLOT IS. THE PLOT WAS DRAMATIC FOR THE MOVIE AND THAT'S WHAT WAS SO
THE PLOT WAS DRAMATIC FOR THE MOVIE AND THAT'S WHAT WAS SO GREAT, IT HAD A BEGINNING,
MOVIE AND THAT'S WHAT WAS SO GREAT, IT HAD A BEGINNING, MIDDLE AND AN END AND IT HAD
GREAT, IT HAD A BEGINNING, MIDDLE AND AN END AND IT HAD ACTION AND WAS A THRILLER IN
MIDDLE AND AN END AND IT HAD ACTION AND WAS A THRILLER IN ITS OWN RIGHT BUT THE MOST
ACTION AND WAS A THRILLER IN ITS OWN RIGHT BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME, MORE
ITS OWN RIGHT BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO ME, MORE THAN WHATEVER TIME PERIOD,
IMPORTANT THING TO ME, MORE THAN WHATEVER TIME PERIOD, THEY COULD HAVE CHOSEN
THAN WHATEVER TIME PERIOD, THEY COULD HAVE CHOSEN ANOTHER WEEK, HOW DID LINCOLN
THEY COULD HAVE CHOSEN ANOTHER WEEK, HOW DID LINCOLN COME OUT, AND THIS WAS THE
ANOTHER WEEK, HOW DID LINCOLN COME OUT, AND THIS WAS THE LINCOLN I KNEW, WITH
COME OUT, AND THIS WAS THE LINCOLN I KNEW, WITH STRENGTH, WARMTH, HUMOR, AND
LINCOLN I KNEW, WITH STRENGTH, WARMTH, HUMOR, AND THERE ARE SCENES IN THERE
STRENGTH, WARMTH, HUMOR, AND THERE ARE SCENES IN THERE THAT SO CAPTURE HIM WHEN HE
THERE ARE SCENES IN THERE THAT SO CAPTURE HIM WHEN HE GOES TO THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE
THAT SO CAPTURE HIM WHEN HE GOES TO THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE AND HE'S LEAVING AND HE PUTS
GOES TO THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE AND HE'S LEAVING AND HE PUTS HIS HAND ON THE TELEGRAPH
AND HE'S LEAVING AND HE PUTS HIS HAND ON THE TELEGRAPH OPERATOR'S, THE SCENES WHEN
HIS HAND ON THE TELEGRAPH OPERATOR'S, THE SCENES WHEN HE GOES TO THE BATTLEFIELD
OPERATOR'S, THE SCENES WHEN HE GOES TO THE BATTLEFIELD AND YOU CAN SEE THAT
HE GOES TO THE BATTLEFIELD AND YOU CAN SEE THAT INCREDIBLE SADNESS IN HIS
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT INCREDIBLE SADNESS IN HIS FACE BECAUSE HE FEELS
INCREDIBLE SADNESS IN HIS FACE BECAUSE HE FEELS RESPONSIBLE.
FACE BECAUSE HE FEELS RESPONSIBLE. I MEAN, I KNEW THAT HE WENT
RESPONSIBLE. I MEAN, I KNEW THAT HE WENT TO THE BATTLEFIELD A DOZEN
I MEAN, I KNEW THAT HE WENT TO THE BATTLEFIELD A DOZEN TIMES DURING THE WAR BUT THIS
TO THE BATTLEFIELD A DOZEN TIMES DURING THE WAR BUT THIS LAST TIME HE WENT WAS MORE
TIMES DURING THE WAR BUT THIS LAST TIME HE WENT WAS MORE INTENSE THAN EVER BEFORE
LAST TIME HE WENT WAS MORE INTENSE THAN EVER BEFORE BECAUSE HE KNEW HE HAD
INTENSE THAN EVER BEFORE BECAUSE HE KNEW HE HAD EXTENDED THE WAR BUT NOT
BECAUSE HE KNEW HE HAD EXTENDED THE WAR BUT NOT LETTING THE PEACE
EXTENDED THE WAR BUT NOT LETTING THE PEACE COMMISSIONERS COMING TO
LETTING THE PEACE COMMISSIONERS COMING TO WASHINGTON SO EVERY DEATH WAS
COMMISSIONERS COMING TO WASHINGTON SO EVERY DEATH WAS REALLY HIS, EVEN THOUGH HE
WASHINGTON SO EVERY DEATH WAS REALLY HIS, EVEN THOUGH HE HAD FELT IT BEFORE AS
REALLY HIS, EVEN THOUGH HE HAD FELT IT BEFORE AS PRESIDENT.
HAD FELT IT BEFORE AS PRESIDENT. SO THEY CAPTURED IN INTENSITY
PRESIDENT. SO THEY CAPTURED IN INTENSITY THE GUY THAT I FELL IN LOVE
SO THEY CAPTURED IN INTENSITY THE GUY THAT I FELL IN LOVE WITH.
THE GUY THAT I FELL IN LOVE WITH. SO I'M VERY GLAD.
WITH. SO I'M VERY GLAD. >> NOW, PART OF THE BRINGING
SO I'M VERY GLAD. >> NOW, PART OF THE BRINGING THE FILM TO LIFE IS, OF
>> NOW, PART OF THE BRINGING THE FILM TO LIFE IS, OF COURSE, THE CASTING, THE
THE FILM TO LIFE IS, OF COURSE, THE CASTING, THE LOCATION, THE SET, YOUR
COURSE, THE CASTING, THE LOCATION, THE SET, YOUR DECISION TO CATCH RICHMOND IN
LOCATION, THE SET, YOUR DECISION TO CATCH RICHMOND IN THE ROLE OF WASHINGTON WAS,
DECISION TO CATCH RICHMOND IN THE ROLE OF WASHINGTON WAS, LET'S SAY, IRONIC TO SAY THE
THE ROLE OF WASHINGTON WAS, LET'S SAY, IRONIC TO SAY THE LEAST.
LET'S SAY, IRONIC TO SAY THE LEAST. >> [LAUGHTER]
LEAST. >> [LAUGHTER] >> A FEW PEOPLE ARE SPINNING,
>> [LAUGHTER] >> A FEW PEOPLE ARE SPINNING, BUT OTHERS --
>> A FEW PEOPLE ARE SPINNING, BUT OTHERS -- >> [LAUGHTER]
BUT OTHERS -- >> [LAUGHTER] >> WOULD YOU SPEAK ON
>> [LAUGHTER] >> WOULD YOU SPEAK ON CHOOSING VIRGINIA AS THE
>> WOULD YOU SPEAK ON CHOOSING VIRGINIA AS THE LOCATION?
CHOOSING VIRGINIA AS THE LOCATION? STEVE?
LOCATION? STEVE? >> I HAD SHOT TWO PICTURES IN
STEVE? >> I HAD SHOT TWO PICTURES IN VIRGINIA, BUT PORTIONS OF TWO
>> I HAD SHOT TWO PICTURES IN VIRGINIA, BUT PORTIONS OF TWO PICTURES, UNLIKE LINCOLN,
VIRGINIA, BUT PORTIONS OF TWO PICTURES, UNLIKE LINCOLN, WHERE THE ENTIRE PICTURE WAS
PICTURES, UNLIKE LINCOLN, WHERE THE ENTIRE PICTURE WAS SHOT HERE.
WHERE THE ENTIRE PICTURE WAS SHOT HERE. I SHOT TWO TOM CRUISE MOVIES,
SHOT HERE. I SHOT TWO TOM CRUISE MOVIES, WAR OF THE WORLDS AND
I SHOT TWO TOM CRUISE MOVIES, WAR OF THE WORLDS AND MINORITY REPORT, SHOT ABOUT
WAR OF THE WORLDS AND MINORITY REPORT, SHOT ABOUT ONE THIRD OF MINORITY REPORT
MINORITY REPORT, SHOT ABOUT ONE THIRD OF MINORITY REPORT HERE, SHOT ABOUT AN EIGHTH OF
ONE THIRD OF MINORITY REPORT HERE, SHOT ABOUT AN EIGHTH OF WAR OF THE WORLDS, AND I WAS
HERE, SHOT ABOUT AN EIGHTH OF WAR OF THE WORLDS, AND I WAS VERY, VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE
WAR OF THE WORLDS, AND I WAS VERY, VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE AMOUNT OF COOPERATION WE GOT
VERY, VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE AMOUNT OF COOPERATION WE GOT ON A LOCAL LEVEL, ON A
AMOUNT OF COOPERATION WE GOT ON A LOCAL LEVEL, ON A GOVERNMENT LEVEL, CIVIC
ON A LOCAL LEVEL, ON A GOVERNMENT LEVEL, CIVIC LEVEL, BUT REALLY, JUST A
GOVERNMENT LEVEL, CIVIC LEVEL, BUT REALLY, JUST A LOCAL LEVEL IN TERMS OF
LEVEL, BUT REALLY, JUST A LOCAL LEVEL IN TERMS OF COOPERATION WITH THE POLICE,
LOCAL LEVEL IN TERMS OF COOPERATION WITH THE POLICE, WITH HOW THEY SAFEGUARDED US
COOPERATION WITH THE POLICE, WITH HOW THEY SAFEGUARDED US AND IN TERMS OF THE AMAZING
WITH HOW THEY SAFEGUARDED US AND IN TERMS OF THE AMAZING AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERISM, WITH
AND IN TERMS OF THE AMAZING AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERISM, WITH EXTRAS COMING OUT, WANTING TO
AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERISM, WITH EXTRAS COMING OUT, WANTING TO BE IN THESE MOVIES AND BEING
EXTRAS COMING OUT, WANTING TO BE IN THESE MOVIES AND BEING REALLY NICE ABOUT IT, AND
BE IN THESE MOVIES AND BEING REALLY NICE ABOUT IT, AND I'VE SHOT IN PLACES WHERE
REALLY NICE ABOUT IT, AND I'VE SHOT IN PLACES WHERE THEY'RE NOT SO NICE ABOUT
I'VE SHOT IN PLACES WHERE THEY'RE NOT SO NICE ABOUT THAT.
THEY'RE NOT SO NICE ABOUT THAT. AND -- BUT WE WERE
THAT. AND -- BUT WE WERE CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW,
AND -- BUT WE WERE CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS MOVIE IS SHOT ON
CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS MOVIE IS SHOT ON A RELATIVELY LOW BUDGET FOR
BECAUSE THIS MOVIE IS SHOT ON A RELATIVELY LOW BUDGET FOR WHAT APPEARS ON THE SCREEN, I
A RELATIVELY LOW BUDGET FOR WHAT APPEARS ON THE SCREEN, I COULDN'T REALLY SPEND THE
WHAT APPEARS ON THE SCREEN, I COULDN'T REALLY SPEND THE KIND OF MONEY ON LINCOLN AS I
COULDN'T REALLY SPEND THE KIND OF MONEY ON LINCOLN AS I WOULD HAVE SPENT ON EVEN WAR
KIND OF MONEY ON LINCOLN AS I WOULD HAVE SPENT ON EVEN WAR -- WHICH I MADE BEFORE
WOULD HAVE SPENT ON EVEN WAR -- WHICH I MADE BEFORE LINCOLN, SO THERE WAS A VERY
-- WHICH I MADE BEFORE LINCOLN, SO THERE WAS A VERY NICE TAX REBATE, AND I HAVE
LINCOLN, SO THERE WAS A VERY NICE TAX REBATE, AND I HAVE TO BE HONEST, THERE WAS
NICE TAX REBATE, AND I HAVE TO BE HONEST, THERE WAS INCENTIVE IN THAT.
TO BE HONEST, THERE WAS INCENTIVE IN THAT. THANK YOU GOVERNOR
INCENTIVE IN THAT. THANK YOU GOVERNOR McDONNELL!
THANK YOU GOVERNOR McDONNELL! >> IT WAS A GOOD INCENTIVE.
McDONNELL! >> IT WAS A GOOD INCENTIVE. BUT THE INCENTIVE OF COMING
>> IT WAS A GOOD INCENTIVE. BUT THE INCENTIVE OF COMING HERE WAS ONE PHONE
BUT THE INCENTIVE OF COMING HERE WAS ONE PHONE CONVERSATION WITH YOUR
HERE WAS ONE PHONE CONVERSATION WITH YOUR GOVERNOR WHERE HE REALLY FELT
CONVERSATION WITH YOUR GOVERNOR WHERE HE REALLY FELT --
GOVERNOR WHERE HE REALLY FELT -- >> [APPLAUSE]
-- >> [APPLAUSE] >> WHERE HE GOT VERY
>> [APPLAUSE] >> WHERE HE GOT VERY PROACTIVE WITH ME AND HE WAS
>> WHERE HE GOT VERY PROACTIVE WITH ME AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A KIND OF
PROACTIVE WITH ME AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A KIND OF HEALING EFFECT THAT SOMETHING
TALKING ABOUT A KIND OF HEALING EFFECT THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD HAVE, OLD MEM
HEALING EFFECT THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS COULD HAVE, OLD MEM MEZE IN THE DNA OFTEN ON BOTH
LIKE THIS COULD HAVE, OLD MEM MEZE IN THE DNA OFTEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE MASON-DIXON LINE
MEZE IN THE DNA OFTEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE MASON-DIXON LINE AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS
SIDES OF THE MASON-DIXON LINE AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS MINDFUL OF THAT MADE ME FEEL
AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS MINDFUL OF THAT MADE ME FEEL THAT HE WAS A MINDFUL PERSON,
MINDFUL OF THAT MADE ME FEEL THAT HE WAS A MINDFUL PERSON, AND WE WOULD BE VERY
THAT HE WAS A MINDFUL PERSON, AND WE WOULD BE VERY COMFORTABLE IN THIS STATE,
AND WE WOULD BE VERY COMFORTABLE IN THIS STATE, TELLING THE STORY.
COMFORTABLE IN THIS STATE, TELLING THE STORY. >> WELL, OUR GOVERNOR HAS
TELLING THE STORY. >> WELL, OUR GOVERNOR HAS REMARKED ABOUT THE SHOCK OF
>> WELL, OUR GOVERNOR HAS REMARKED ABOUT THE SHOCK OF COMING HOME TO THE MANSION
REMARKED ABOUT THE SHOCK OF COMING HOME TO THE MANSION AND FINDING THE UNION
COMING HOME TO THE MANSION AND FINDING THE UNION SOLDIERS ON THE FRONT LAWN.
AND FINDING THE UNION SOLDIERS ON THE FRONT LAWN. >> [LAUGHTER]
SOLDIERS ON THE FRONT LAWN. >> [LAUGHTER] >> AND GOING INSIDE THE
>> [LAUGHTER] >> AND GOING INSIDE THE MANSION AND FINDING LINCOLN
>> AND GOING INSIDE THE MANSION AND FINDING LINCOLN IN THE KITCHEN!
MANSION AND FINDING LINCOLN IN THE KITCHEN! >> [LAUGHTER]
IN THE KITCHEN! >> [LAUGHTER] >> I WAS TEMPTED TO HAVE ONE
>> [LAUGHTER] >> I WAS TEMPTED TO HAVE ONE OF MY ACTORS GO OVER TO HIM,
>> I WAS TEMPTED TO HAVE ONE OF MY ACTORS GO OVER TO HIM, ONE OF THE GUARDS, AND SAY
OF MY ACTORS GO OVER TO HIM, ONE OF THE GUARDS, AND SAY STOP AND BE RECOGNIZED.
ONE OF THE GUARDS, AND SAY STOP AND BE RECOGNIZED. BUT I DIDN'T DO IT.
STOP AND BE RECOGNIZED. BUT I DIDN'T DO IT. >> [LAUGHTER]
BUT I DIDN'T DO IT. >> [LAUGHTER] >> HOW RARE IS IT IN THIS DAY
>> [LAUGHTER] >> HOW RARE IS IT IN THIS DAY AND TIME TO FIND A PLACE LIKE
>> HOW RARE IS IT IN THIS DAY AND TIME TO FIND A PLACE LIKE PETERSBERG WHERE YOU CAN JUST
AND TIME TO FIND A PLACE LIKE PETERSBERG WHERE YOU CAN JUST ABOUT SHOOT 360 DEGREES IN
PETERSBERG WHERE YOU CAN JUST ABOUT SHOOT 360 DEGREES IN ONE DIRECTION AND STAY IN AN
ABOUT SHOOT 360 DEGREES IN ONE DIRECTION AND STAY IN AN HISTORICAL PERIOD?
ONE DIRECTION AND STAY IN AN HISTORICAL PERIOD? I MEAN, THAT'S --
HISTORICAL PERIOD? I MEAN, THAT'S -- >> THE THING I REALLY LIKE
I MEAN, THAT'S -- >> THE THING I REALLY LIKE EVEN MORE THAN MY COAST IS
>> THE THING I REALLY LIKE EVEN MORE THAN MY COAST IS THAT CLOSER TO THIS COAST,
EVEN MORE THAN MY COAST IS THAT CLOSER TO THIS COAST, THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF
THAT CLOSER TO THIS COAST, THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF TRADITION AND THERE'S A GREAT
THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF TRADITION AND THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THE PAST,
TRADITION AND THERE'S A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THE PAST, AND THE RESPECT FOR HISTORY,
DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THE PAST, AND THE RESPECT FOR HISTORY, AND A PRESERVATION OF
AND THE RESPECT FOR HISTORY, AND A PRESERVATION OF HISTORICAL STRUCTURES AND
AND A PRESERVATION OF HISTORICAL STRUCTURES AND MONUMENTS, AND THE FACT THAT
HISTORICAL STRUCTURES AND MONUMENTS, AND THE FACT THAT WE GET A LOT MORE OF THAT OUT
MONUMENTS, AND THE FACT THAT WE GET A LOT MORE OF THAT OUT HERE IN WASHINGTON, UP THE
WE GET A LOT MORE OF THAT OUT HERE IN WASHINGTON, UP THE COAST IN MAINE, YOU KNOW, NEW
HERE IN WASHINGTON, UP THE COAST IN MAINE, YOU KNOW, NEW ENGLAND.
COAST IN MAINE, YOU KNOW, NEW ENGLAND. THERE'S A LOT MORE RESPECT
ENGLAND. THERE'S A LOT MORE RESPECT FOR HISTORY.
THERE'S A LOT MORE RESPECT FOR HISTORY. SO YOU GET TO PETERSBERG AND
FOR HISTORY. SO YOU GET TO PETERSBERG AND IT'S TRUE, EXCEPT FOR
SO YOU GET TO PETERSBERG AND IT'S TRUE, EXCEPT FOR DIGITALLY TAKING DOWN SOME OF
IT'S TRUE, EXCEPT FOR DIGITALLY TAKING DOWN SOME OF THE TELEPHONE WIRES,
DIGITALLY TAKING DOWN SOME OF THE TELEPHONE WIRES, EVERYTHING ELSE WAS EXACTLY
THE TELEPHONE WIRES, EVERYTHING ELSE WAS EXACTLY AS YOU SAW IT IN THE PICTURE
EVERYTHING ELSE WAS EXACTLY AS YOU SAW IT IN THE PICTURE IS WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO
AS YOU SAW IT IN THE PICTURE IS WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO TO PETERSBERG AND SEE THIS
IS WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO TO PETERSBERG AND SEE THIS PERFECTLY PRESERVED TOWN,
TO PETERSBERG AND SEE THIS PERFECTLY PRESERVED TOWN, VERY HISTORICALLY RELEVANT
PERFECTLY PRESERVED TOWN, VERY HISTORICALLY RELEVANT PLACE IN AMERICA.
VERY HISTORICALLY RELEVANT PLACE IN AMERICA. >> AND -- NOT TO SOUR THAT,
PLACE IN AMERICA. >> AND -- NOT TO SOUR THAT, BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I
>> AND -- NOT TO SOUR THAT, BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I WAS A LITTLE BIT SHOCKED AT
BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I WAS A LITTLE BIT SHOCKED AT THE CONDITION OF SOME OF THE
WAS A LITTLE BIT SHOCKED AT THE CONDITION OF SOME OF THE HISTORICAL -- I MEAN THE
THE CONDITION OF SOME OF THE HISTORICAL -- I MEAN THE HISTORICAL SITES, ESPECIALLY
HISTORICAL -- I MEAN THE HISTORICAL SITES, ESPECIALLY IN PETERSBERG, AND IT SEEMS
HISTORICAL SITES, ESPECIALLY IN PETERSBERG, AND IT SEEMS GENUINELY APPALLING TO ME
IN PETERSBERG, AND IT SEEMS GENUINELY APPALLING TO ME THAT A COUNTRY, THE SIZE OF
GENUINELY APPALLING TO ME THAT A COUNTRY, THE SIZE OF THIS COUNTRY, WITH THE WEALTH
THAT A COUNTRY, THE SIZE OF THIS COUNTRY, WITH THE WEALTH OF THIS COUNTRY, THAT WE HAVE
THIS COUNTRY, WITH THE WEALTH OF THIS COUNTRY, THAT WE HAVE THIS CITY THAT FIGURES SO
OF THIS COUNTRY, THAT WE HAVE THIS CITY THAT FIGURES SO SIGNIFICANTLY IN ONE OF THE
THIS CITY THAT FIGURES SO SIGNIFICANTLY IN ONE OF THE GREAT MOMENTS OF OUR -- THE
SIGNIFICANTLY IN ONE OF THE GREAT MOMENTS OF OUR -- THE GREAT CRIME OF OUR COUNTRY,
GREAT MOMENTS OF OUR -- THE GREAT CRIME OF OUR COUNTRY, THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE SCARE
GREAT CRIME OF OUR COUNTRY, THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE SCARE ILY IN RUN DOWN
THAT THE BUILDINGS WERE SCARE ILY IN RUN DOWN CONDITION AND SO MUCH OF
ILY IN RUN DOWN CONDITION AND SO MUCH OF PETERSBURG THAT SHOULD BE
CONDITION AND SO MUCH OF PETERSBURG THAT SHOULD BE PRESERVED WITH GOVERNMENT
PETERSBURG THAT SHOULD BE PRESERVED WITH GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURE.
PRESERVED WITH GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURE. >> THAT IS THE MAGIC OF THE
EXPENDITURE. >> THAT IS THE MAGIC OF THE LIMIT LYNN -- OF THE FILM
>> THAT IS THE MAGIC OF THE LIMIT LYNN -- OF THE FILM LINCOLN.
LIMIT LYNN -- OF THE FILM LINCOLN. SINCE IT CAME OUT THERE'S
LINCOLN. SINCE IT CAME OUT THERE'S BEEN TREMENDOUS CHANGE TO THE
SINCE IT CAME OUT THERE'S BEEN TREMENDOUS CHANGE TO THE GOVERNMENT AND THE TOURISM
BEEN TREMENDOUS CHANGE TO THE GOVERNMENT AND THE TOURISM OFFICE ARE WORKING -- THERE
GOVERNMENT AND THE TOURISM OFFICE ARE WORKING -- THERE ARE TOURS TO GO TO PLACES,
OFFICE ARE WORKING -- THERE ARE TOURS TO GO TO PLACES, THAT YOU WERE THERE, SO THERE
ARE TOURS TO GO TO PLACES, THAT YOU WERE THERE, SO THERE IS A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE
THAT YOU WERE THERE, SO THERE IS A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE POWER OF THE FILM, THE WORK
IS A MAJOR IMPACT ON THE POWER OF THE FILM, THE WORK THAT YOU DO.
POWER OF THE FILM, THE WORK THAT YOU DO. >> I DROPPED A PENKNIFE IN
THAT YOU DO. >> I DROPPED A PENKNIFE IN PETERSBURG.
>> I DROPPED A PENKNIFE IN PETERSBURG. IF ANYBODY FINDS IT, WILL YOU
PETERSBURG. IF ANYBODY FINDS IT, WILL YOU LET ME KNOW?
IF ANYBODY FINDS IT, WILL YOU LET ME KNOW? IT SAYS BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA
LET ME KNOW? IT SAYS BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA ON THE SIDE, 294 ROOSEVELT
IT SAYS BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA ON THE SIDE, 294 ROOSEVELT COUNCIL.
ON THE SIDE, 294 ROOSEVELT COUNCIL. >> WOW, WAS IT YOURS?
COUNCIL. >> WOW, WAS IT YOURS? SINCE YOU WERE A KID?
>> WOW, WAS IT YOURS? SINCE YOU WERE A KID? >> MY GRANDPA'S.
SINCE YOU WERE A KID? >> MY GRANDPA'S. >> MY GOD.
>> MY GRANDPA'S. >> MY GOD. >> WE'LL LOOK FOR THAT!
>> MY GOD. >> WE'LL LOOK FOR THAT! >> 300 PEOPLE ARE --
>> WE'LL LOOK FOR THAT! >> 300 PEOPLE ARE -- >> THEY'RE ALREADY OUT THERE!
>> 300 PEOPLE ARE -- >> THEY'RE ALREADY OUT THERE! >> IF YOU WANT TO GET ON
>> THEY'RE ALREADY OUT THERE! >> IF YOU WANT TO GET ON TELEVISION -- BY STEVEN
>> IF YOU WANT TO GET ON TELEVISION -- BY STEVEN SPIELBERG.
TELEVISION -- BY STEVEN SPIELBERG. >> PEOPLE FIND LOST WEDDING
SPIELBERG. >> PEOPLE FIND LOST WEDDING BANDS.
>> PEOPLE FIND LOST WEDDING BANDS. >> YOUR 15 MINUTES OF FAME
BANDS. >> YOUR 15 MINUTES OF FAME AWAITS YOU!
>> YOUR 15 MINUTES OF FAME AWAITS YOU! >> SPEAKING OF SOMETHING,
AWAITS YOU! >> SPEAKING OF SOMETHING, AND KIND OF GOING BACK TO
>> SPEAKING OF SOMETHING, AND KIND OF GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT
AND KIND OF GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, IN TERMS OF YOU
WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, IN TERMS OF YOU FOUND A SPACE WITHIN THE
EARLIER, IN TERMS OF YOU FOUND A SPACE WITHIN THE MATERIAL HISTORY THAT YOU
FOUND A SPACE WITHIN THE MATERIAL HISTORY THAT YOU COULD SORT OF NOT PLAY WITH,
MATERIAL HISTORY THAT YOU COULD SORT OF NOT PLAY WITH, BUT IN A SENSE PLAY THE BLACK
COULD SORT OF NOT PLAY WITH, BUT IN A SENSE PLAY THE BLACK KEYS, AND -- BUT WERE YOU NOT
BUT IN A SENSE PLAY THE BLACK KEYS, AND -- BUT WERE YOU NOT WORRIED THAT THE DENSITY OF
KEYS, AND -- BUT WERE YOU NOT WORRIED THAT THE DENSITY OF SOME OF THE MATERIAL, THE
WORRIED THAT THE DENSITY OF SOME OF THE MATERIAL, THE LITERARY DENSITY OF THE
SOME OF THE MATERIAL, THE LITERARY DENSITY OF THE MATERIAL MIGHT BE OVER THE
LITERARY DENSITY OF THE MATERIAL MIGHT BE OVER THE HEAD OF THE FILM GOER?
MATERIAL MIGHT BE OVER THE HEAD OF THE FILM GOER? >> I WAS COMPLETELY CONVINCED
HEAD OF THE FILM GOER? >> I WAS COMPLETELY CONVINCED IT WOULD.
>> I WAS COMPLETELY CONVINCED IT WOULD. >> [LAUGHTER]
IT WOULD. >> [LAUGHTER] >> AND YET, I WAS ABSOLUTELY
>> [LAUGHTER] >> AND YET, I WAS ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED AND DETERMINED TO
>> AND YET, I WAS ABSOLUTELY COMMITTED AND DETERMINED TO MAKE PEOPLE EARN THEIR
COMMITTED AND DETERMINED TO MAKE PEOPLE EARN THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THESE
MAKE PEOPLE EARN THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THESE DIFFICULT, COMPLICATED
UNDERSTANDING OF THESE DIFFICULT, COMPLICATED ISSUES, IN A LANGUAGE THAT
DIFFICULT, COMPLICATED ISSUES, IN A LANGUAGE THAT HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN AND NOT
ISSUES, IN A LANGUAGE THAT HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN AND NOT WRITTEN ABOUT IN 150 YEARS,
HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN AND NOT WRITTEN ABOUT IN 150 YEARS, AND I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE
WRITTEN ABOUT IN 150 YEARS, AND I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE YOU'D HAVE TO SEE IT TWICE TO
AND I THOUGHT THAT MAYBE YOU'D HAVE TO SEE IT TWICE TO REALLY START TO UNDERSTAND
YOU'D HAVE TO SEE IT TWICE TO REALLY START TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY
REALLY START TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY SAYING.
WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY SAYING. BUT THAT WASN'T THE REAL
SAYING. BUT THAT WASN'T THE REAL POINT.
BUT THAT WASN'T THE REAL POINT. THE POINT WAS THAT IT WOULD
POINT. THE POINT WAS THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY EASY TO
THE POINT WAS THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY EASY TO HAVE ABRIDGED THE LANGUAGE
HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY EASY TO HAVE ABRIDGED THE LANGUAGE AND MADE THIS A LITTLE MORE
HAVE ABRIDGED THE LANGUAGE AND MADE THIS A LITTLE MORE PALATABLE FOR AN AUDIENCE
AND MADE THIS A LITTLE MORE PALATABLE FOR AN AUDIENCE THAT LOVES TO SEE MOVIES LIKE
PALATABLE FOR AN AUDIENCE THAT LOVES TO SEE MOVIES LIKE AVENGERS, AND I LOVE THOSE
THAT LOVES TO SEE MOVIES LIKE AVENGERS, AND I LOVE THOSE MOVIES, TOO, TO REALLY -- BUT
AVENGERS, AND I LOVE THOSE MOVIES, TOO, TO REALLY -- BUT THE THING THAT'S SO AMAZING
MOVIES, TOO, TO REALLY -- BUT THE THING THAT'S SO AMAZING IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE
THE THING THAT'S SO AMAZING IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEING THE
IS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEING THE ADVENTURES ARE SEEING LINCOLN
PEOPLE THAT ARE SEEING THE ADVENTURES ARE SEEING LINCOLN AND UNDERSTANDING IT ON A SUB
ADVENTURES ARE SEEING LINCOLN AND UNDERSTANDING IT ON A SUB ATOMIC LEVEL IN A WAY THAT IF
AND UNDERSTANDING IT ON A SUB ATOMIC LEVEL IN A WAY THAT IF YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IN THE
ATOMIC LEVEL IN A WAY THAT IF YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IN THE FIRST 15 MINUTES WHAT THE
YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IN THE FIRST 15 MINUTES WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, YOU QUICKLY GAIN
FIRST 15 MINUTES WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, YOU QUICKLY GAIN AN UNDERSTANDING OF EVERY
ISSUES ARE, YOU QUICKLY GAIN AN UNDERSTANDING OF EVERY DETAIL AS LONG AS YOU LISTEN.
AN UNDERSTANDING OF EVERY DETAIL AS LONG AS YOU LISTEN. AS LONG AS YOU LEAN FORWARD
DETAIL AS LONG AS YOU LISTEN. AS LONG AS YOU LEAN FORWARD IN YOUR SIT AND YOU PAY
AS LONG AS YOU LEAN FORWARD IN YOUR SIT AND YOU PAY ATTENTION AND YOU FOCUS ON
IN YOUR SIT AND YOU PAY ATTENTION AND YOU FOCUS ON THE WORDS, AND IT MAKES IT
ATTENTION AND YOU FOCUS ON THE WORDS, AND IT MAKES IT VERY, VERY EASY TO LISTEN
THE WORDS, AND IT MAKES IT VERY, VERY EASY TO LISTEN WHEN YOU HAVE ACTORS LIKE
VERY, VERY EASY TO LISTEN WHEN YOU HAVE ACTORS LIKE JONES, SALLY FIELD, LIKE
WHEN YOU HAVE ACTORS LIKE JONES, SALLY FIELD, LIKE JIMMY SPADE, AND AN ACTOR
JONES, SALLY FIELD, LIKE JIMMY SPADE, AND AN ACTOR LIKE DAVID STERN AND DANIEL
JIMMY SPADE, AND AN ACTOR LIKE DAVID STERN AND DANIEL DAY-LEWIS SAYING THE WORDS
LIKE DAVID STERN AND DANIEL DAY-LEWIS SAYING THE WORDS BUT IN A WAY WHERE YOU
DAY-LEWIS SAYING THE WORDS BUT IN A WAY WHERE YOU CONNECT WITH THEIR SPIRITUAL
BUT IN A WAY WHERE YOU CONNECT WITH THEIR SPIRITUAL INTERIORS, YOU UNDERSTAND ON
CONNECT WITH THEIR SPIRITUAL INTERIORS, YOU UNDERSTAND ON A SPIRITUAL LEVEL, ON AN
INTERIORS, YOU UNDERSTAND ON A SPIRITUAL LEVEL, ON AN EMOTIONAL LEVEL, WHAT THEY'RE
A SPIRITUAL LEVEL, ON AN EMOTIONAL LEVEL, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY.
EMOTIONAL LEVEL, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY. >> YOU BROUGHT UP THE ACTORS.
TRYING TO SAY. >> YOU BROUGHT UP THE ACTORS. A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE
>> YOU BROUGHT UP THE ACTORS. A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE INCREDIBLE WORK OF THE ACTORS
A LOT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT THE INCREDIBLE WORK OF THE ACTORS IN THIS FILM, THAT'S OUR
INCREDIBLE WORK OF THE ACTORS IN THIS FILM, THAT'S OUR SYMBOL FOR THE FILM.
IN THIS FILM, THAT'S OUR SYMBOL FOR THE FILM. HOW CHALLENGING WAS IT FOR
SYMBOL FOR THE FILM. HOW CHALLENGING WAS IT FOR YOU TO ALLOW SORT OF THE
HOW CHALLENGING WAS IT FOR YOU TO ALLOW SORT OF THE ORGANIC NEEDS OF THE ACTOR TO
YOU TO ALLOW SORT OF THE ORGANIC NEEDS OF THE ACTOR TO FLOW FREELY WHILE AT THE SAME
ORGANIC NEEDS OF THE ACTOR TO FLOW FREELY WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ACCOMPLISH YOUR NEEDS AS
FLOW FREELY WHILE AT THE SAME TIME ACCOMPLISH YOUR NEEDS AS A DIRECTOR AND YOUR VISION?
TIME ACCOMPLISH YOUR NEEDS AS A DIRECTOR AND YOUR VISION? ESPECIALLY WITH SOMEONE LIKE
A DIRECTOR AND YOUR VISION? ESPECIALLY WITH SOMEONE LIKE DANIEL DAY-LEWIS?
ESPECIALLY WITH SOMEONE LIKE DANIEL DAY-LEWIS? >> YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY
DANIEL DAY-LEWIS? >> YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY HELPED?
>> YOU KNOW WHAT REALLY HELPED? WE DIDN'T DO ANY IMPROVISING,
HELPED? WE DIDN'T DO ANY IMPROVISING, BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD FOR
WE DIDN'T DO ANY IMPROVISING, BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD FOR 21ST CENTURY ACTORS TO BE
BECAUSE IT'S VERY HARD FOR 21ST CENTURY ACTORS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE IDIOM OF THE
21ST CENTURY ACTORS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE IDIOM OF THE 19TH CENTURY AND FOLD THAT SO
ABLE TO TAKE THE IDIOM OF THE 19TH CENTURY AND FOLD THAT SO INTRINSICALLY INTO WHO THEY
19TH CENTURY AND FOLD THAT SO INTRINSICALLY INTO WHO THEY ARE THAT IT'S GOING TO COME
INTRINSICALLY INTO WHO THEY ARE THAT IT'S GOING TO COME OUT SOUNDING NATURAL, SO WE
ARE THAT IT'S GOING TO COME OUT SOUNDING NATURAL, SO WE DID WHAT PLAY RIGHTS LIKE
OUT SOUNDING NATURAL, SO WE DID WHAT PLAY RIGHTS LIKE TONY KUSHNER AND DORIS, WE
DID WHAT PLAY RIGHTS LIKE TONY KUSHNER AND DORIS, WE STUCK WITH THE LINE -- WITH
TONY KUSHNER AND DORIS, WE STUCK WITH THE LINE -- WITH THE SCRIPT, LINE FOR LINE.
STUCK WITH THE LINE -- WITH THE SCRIPT, LINE FOR LINE. WE DIDN'T GO OFF THE SCRIPT
THE SCRIPT, LINE FOR LINE. WE DIDN'T GO OFF THE SCRIPT AND WHEN I DID GO OFF THE
WE DIDN'T GO OFF THE SCRIPT AND WHEN I DID GO OFF THE SCRIPT, I'D HEAR FROM TONY.
AND WHEN I DID GO OFF THE SCRIPT, I'D HEAR FROM TONY. HE WAS SITTING 50 YARDS AWAY
SCRIPT, I'D HEAR FROM TONY. HE WAS SITTING 50 YARDS AWAY AND MY ASSISTANT TOMMY WENT
HE WAS SITTING 50 YARDS AWAY AND MY ASSISTANT TOMMY WENT OVER TO ME WITH THE FOLDED
AND MY ASSISTANT TOMMY WENT OVER TO ME WITH THE FOLDED NOTE AND I WOULD OPEN THE
OVER TO ME WITH THE FOLDED NOTE AND I WOULD OPEN THE FOLDED NOTE AND GO OH GOD,
NOTE AND I WOULD OPEN THE FOLDED NOTE AND GO OH GOD, BUT A LOT OF THE NOTES WERE
FOLDED NOTE AND GO OH GOD, BUT A LOT OF THE NOTES WERE ADDRESSED INSTANTLY, BUT WE
BUT A LOT OF THE NOTES WERE ADDRESSED INSTANTLY, BUT WE REALLY, REALLY STUCK TO THE
ADDRESSED INSTANTLY, BUT WE REALLY, REALLY STUCK TO THE TEXT.
REALLY, REALLY STUCK TO THE TEXT. IT WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
TEXT. IT WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. TONY SPENT SIX, SEVEN YEARS
IT WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. TONY SPENT SIX, SEVEN YEARS WRITING THIS, DORIS SPENT A
TONY SPENT SIX, SEVEN YEARS WRITING THIS, DORIS SPENT A DECADE WORKING ON HER BOOK.
WRITING THIS, DORIS SPENT A DECADE WORKING ON HER BOOK. IT WAS VERY MUCH TUESDAYING
DECADE WORKING ON HER BOOK. IT WAS VERY MUCH TUESDAYING THE LANGUAGE OF THE TIME, OF
IT WAS VERY MUCH TUESDAYING THE LANGUAGE OF THE TIME, OF THE PERIOD.
THE LANGUAGE OF THE TIME, OF THE PERIOD. I DIDN'T TELL THE ACTORS THEY
THE PERIOD. I DIDN'T TELL THE ACTORS THEY COULDN'T COME UP WITH
I DIDN'T TELL THE ACTORS THEY COULDN'T COME UP WITH INDIVIDUAL IDEAS FOR THEIR
COULDN'T COME UP WITH INDIVIDUAL IDEAS FOR THEIR OWN CHARACTERS, BUT THEIR
INDIVIDUAL IDEAS FOR THEIR OWN CHARACTERS, BUT THEIR IDEAS HAD TO SOMEHOW BE PART
OWN CHARACTERS, BUT THEIR IDEAS HAD TO SOMEHOW BE PART OF THE STORY WE WERE TELLING.
IDEAS HAD TO SOMEHOW BE PART OF THE STORY WE WERE TELLING. >> HOW DID YOU FIND THE VOICE
OF THE STORY WE WERE TELLING. >> HOW DID YOU FIND THE VOICE OF THE 19TH CENTURY
>> HOW DID YOU FIND THE VOICE OF THE 19TH CENTURY CHARACTERS?
OF THE 19TH CENTURY CHARACTERS? I MEAN, IT SEEMS SO -- OF
CHARACTERS? I MEAN, IT SEEMS SO -- OF COURSE, NOT ONLY FROM WHAT I
I MEAN, IT SEEMS SO -- OF COURSE, NOT ONLY FROM WHAT I READ BUT IT SEEMS SO REAL TO
COURSE, NOT ONLY FROM WHAT I READ BUT IT SEEMS SO REAL TO ME THE WAY THEY SPOKE, THE
READ BUT IT SEEMS SO REAL TO ME THE WAY THEY SPOKE, THE CADENCE.
ME THE WAY THEY SPOKE, THE CADENCE. >> DIFFERENT CHARACTERS CAME
CADENCE. >> DIFFERENT CHARACTERS CAME FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT
>> DIFFERENT CHARACTERS CAME FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT THERE AREN'T TRANSCRIPTS THAT
FROM DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT THERE AREN'T TRANSCRIPTS THAT ARE RELIABLE AS THE IDEA OF
THERE AREN'T TRANSCRIPTS THAT ARE RELIABLE AS THE IDEA OF EXACTLY RECORDING WHAT PEOPLE
ARE RELIABLE AS THE IDEA OF EXACTLY RECORDING WHAT PEOPLE WOULD SAY WHEN THEY WERE
EXACTLY RECORDING WHAT PEOPLE WOULD SAY WHEN THEY WERE SPONTANEOUSLY.
WOULD SAY WHEN THEY WERE SPONTANEOUSLY. IT DIDN'T REALLY EXIST IN THE
SPONTANEOUSLY. IT DIDN'T REALLY EXIST IN THE 19TH CENTURY.
IT DIDN'T REALLY EXIST IN THE 19TH CENTURY. BUT THERE'S ENOUGH
19TH CENTURY. BUT THERE'S ENOUGH TRANSCRIBED SO YOU CAN BEGIN
BUT THERE'S ENOUGH TRANSCRIBED SO YOU CAN BEGIN TO GET A SENSE OR IMAGINE
TRANSCRIBED SO YOU CAN BEGIN TO GET A SENSE OR IMAGINE WHAT KIND OF DICTION THEY
TO GET A SENSE OR IMAGINE WHAT KIND OF DICTION THEY USED AND HOW MUCH MORE
WHAT KIND OF DICTION THEY USED AND HOW MUCH MORE COMPLICATED IT IS THAN OURS.
USED AND HOW MUCH MORE COMPLICATED IT IS THAN OURS. I CHECKED EVERY WORD THAT
COMPLICATED IT IS THAN OURS. I CHECKED EVERY WORD THAT SEEMED IN ANY WAY
I CHECKED EVERY WORD THAT SEEMED IN ANY WAY ANACHRONNISTIC IN THE ENGLISH
SEEMED IN ANY WAY ANACHRONNISTIC IN THE ENGLISH OXFORD DICTIONARY, WHICH TOLD
ANACHRONNISTIC IN THE ENGLISH OXFORD DICTIONARY, WHICH TOLD US WHEN THE WORD ENTERED THE
OXFORD DICTIONARY, WHICH TOLD US WHEN THE WORD ENTERED THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE.
US WHEN THE WORD ENTERED THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. >> GLASER GASTED!
ENGLISH LANGUAGE. >> GLASER GASTED! >> -- FLABBERGASTED!
>> GLASER GASTED! >> -- FLABBERGASTED! >> I'M THE ONLY BLACK MAN TO
>> -- FLABBERGASTED! >> I'M THE ONLY BLACK MAN TO EVER USE THAT WORD!
>> I'M THE ONLY BLACK MAN TO EVER USE THAT WORD! >> YOU KNOW, IT'S -- I READ
EVER USE THAT WORD! >> YOU KNOW, IT'S -- I READ A LOT OF DICKENS, I READ A
>> YOU KNOW, IT'S -- I READ A LOT OF DICKENS, I READ A LOT OF DICKENS, ANYWAY, BUT
A LOT OF DICKENS, I READ A LOT OF DICKENS, ANYWAY, BUT 19TH CENTURY NOVELS HELPED A
LOT OF DICKENS, ANYWAY, BUT 19TH CENTURY NOVELS HELPED A CERTAIN AMOUNT.
19TH CENTURY NOVELS HELPED A CERTAIN AMOUNT. AND LINCOLN LOVED THE SORT OF
CERTAIN AMOUNT. AND LINCOLN LOVED THE SORT OF DIALECT HUMORISTS LIKE THIS
AND LINCOLN LOVED THE SORT OF DIALECT HUMORISTS LIKE THIS GUY ORPHEUS OR WARD, THEY
DIALECT HUMORISTS LIKE THIS GUY ORPHEUS OR WARD, THEY WERE SORT OF SUB MARK TWAIN
GUY ORPHEUS OR WARD, THEY WERE SORT OF SUB MARK TWAIN BUT VERY, VERY FUNNY AND THEY
WERE SORT OF SUB MARK TWAIN BUT VERY, VERY FUNNY AND THEY PUBLISHED -- THEY PUBLISHED
BUT VERY, VERY FUNNY AND THEY PUBLISHED -- THEY PUBLISHED IN NEWSPAPERS AND THEY
PUBLISHED -- THEY PUBLISHED IN NEWSPAPERS AND THEY SPECIALIZED IN SORT OF
IN NEWSPAPERS AND THEY SPECIALIZED IN SORT OF CAPTURING REGIONAL DIALECT,
SPECIALIZED IN SORT OF CAPTURING REGIONAL DIALECT, AND ONE THAT YOU READ OVER --
CAPTURING REGIONAL DIALECT, AND ONE THAT YOU READ OVER -- ONE THING YOU READ OVER AND
AND ONE THAT YOU READ OVER -- ONE THING YOU READ OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT LINCOLN IS
ONE THING YOU READ OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT LINCOLN IS THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENTUCKY
OVER AGAIN ABOUT LINCOLN IS THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENTUCKY AND SPENT PART OF HIS
THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENTUCKY AND SPENT PART OF HIS CHILDHOOD IN INDIANA, THEN
AND SPENT PART OF HIS CHILDHOOD IN INDIANA, THEN LIVED IN ILLINOIS.
CHILDHOOD IN INDIANA, THEN LIVED IN ILLINOIS. BUT HE HAD AN INCREDIBLE EAR
LIVED IN ILLINOIS. BUT HE HAD AN INCREDIBLE EAR APPARENTLY FOR DIALECT AND
BUT HE HAD AN INCREDIBLE EAR APPARENTLY FOR DIALECT AND WOULD CHANGE HIS ACCENT IF HE
APPARENTLY FOR DIALECT AND WOULD CHANGE HIS ACCENT IF HE WANTED TO SOUND LIKE A HICK
WOULD CHANGE HIS ACCENT IF HE WANTED TO SOUND LIKE A HICK OR A SOUTHERNER, HE COULD
WANTED TO SOUND LIKE A HICK OR A SOUTHERNER, HE COULD SOUND LIKE A SOUTHERNER, IF
OR A SOUTHERNER, HE COULD SOUND LIKE A SOUTHERNER, IF HE WANTED TO SOUND LESS LIKE
SOUND LIKE A SOUTHERNER, IF HE WANTED TO SOUND LESS LIKE A SOUTHERNER, I'M NOT --
HE WANTED TO SOUND LESS LIKE A SOUTHERNER, I'M NOT -- >> [LAUGHTER]
A SOUTHERNER, I'M NOT -- >> [LAUGHTER] >> MY GOD!
>> [LAUGHTER] >> MY GOD! >> OH, NO.
>> MY GOD! >> OH, NO. >> AND WITH YOU -- AND YOU
>> OH, NO. >> AND WITH YOU -- AND YOU WERE DOING SO WELL!
>> AND WITH YOU -- AND YOU WERE DOING SO WELL! >> [LAUGHTER]
WERE DOING SO WELL! >> [LAUGHTER] >> IT WAS A BIG DEAL THAT THE
>> [LAUGHTER] >> IT WAS A BIG DEAL THAT THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY HAD
>> IT WAS A BIG DEAL THAT THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY HAD KENTUCKY ACCENTS, THEY WERE
PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY HAD KENTUCKY ACCENTS, THEY WERE THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY
KENTUCKY ACCENTS, THEY WERE THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY OF THE UNION AND THEY SOUNDED
THE PRESIDENT AND FIRST LADY OF THE UNION AND THEY SOUNDED SOUTHERN.
OF THE UNION AND THEY SOUNDED SOUTHERN. THEY WERE SOUTHERNERS.
SOUTHERN. THEY WERE SOUTHERNERS. AND THERE WERE A LOT OF
THEY WERE SOUTHERNERS. AND THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE NORTH WHO FOUND
AND THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE NORTH WHO FOUND THAT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.
PEOPLE IN THE NORTH WHO FOUND THAT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. BUT HE COULD ALSO SHIFT HIS
THAT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. BUT HE COULD ALSO SHIFT HIS ACCENT MORE NORTHERLY WHEN HE
BUT HE COULD ALSO SHIFT HIS ACCENT MORE NORTHERLY WHEN HE WANTED TO SOUND LIKE THAT,
ACCENT MORE NORTHERLY WHEN HE WANTED TO SOUND LIKE THAT, AND NOW THE STORY GOES INTO
WANTED TO SOUND LIKE THAT, AND NOW THE STORY GOES INTO AN ENGLISH ACCENT.
AND NOW THE STORY GOES INTO AN ENGLISH ACCENT. >> YES, AND BECAUSE DANIEL IS
AN ENGLISH ACCENT. >> YES, AND BECAUSE DANIEL IS SO SCARILY GREAT, HE GOES
>> YES, AND BECAUSE DANIEL IS SO SCARILY GREAT, HE GOES INTO A SORT OF NOT -- I MEAN,
SO SCARILY GREAT, HE GOES INTO A SORT OF NOT -- I MEAN, HE'S BRITISH, BUT HE DOES AN
INTO A SORT OF NOT -- I MEAN, HE'S BRITISH, BUT HE DOES AN ENGLISH ACCENT THROUGH A
HE'S BRITISH, BUT HE DOES AN ENGLISH ACCENT THROUGH A SOUTHERN -- AN AMERICAN DOING
ENGLISH ACCENT THROUGH A SOUTHERN -- AN AMERICAN DOING IT, A NOT ENTIRELY GREAT
SOUTHERN -- AN AMERICAN DOING IT, A NOT ENTIRELY GREAT ENGLISH ACCENT.
IT, A NOT ENTIRELY GREAT ENGLISH ACCENT. IT'S REALLY TERRIFYING.
ENGLISH ACCENT. IT'S REALLY TERRIFYING. >> DANIEL DEI, FROM -- DAY,
IT'S REALLY TERRIFYING. >> DANIEL DEI, FROM -- DAY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND,
>> DANIEL DEI, FROM -- DAY, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, ASSUMED THE CHARACTER AND
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, ASSUMED THE CHARACTER AND STAYED IN IT 24/7.
ASSUMED THE CHARACTER AND STAYED IN IT 24/7. >> YES.
STAYED IN IT 24/7. >> YES. >> HOW DO YOU APPROACH HIM
>> YES. >> HOW DO YOU APPROACH HIM WHEN IT'S QUITTING TIME, DO
>> HOW DO YOU APPROACH HIM WHEN IT'S QUITTING TIME, DO YOU GO UP TO MR. LINCOLN, AND
WHEN IT'S QUITTING TIME, DO YOU GO UP TO MR. LINCOLN, AND HOW DO YOU APPROACH IT?
YOU GO UP TO MR. LINCOLN, AND HOW DO YOU APPROACH IT? >> HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS.
HOW DO YOU APPROACH IT? >> HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS. THE GOOD NEWS WAS ON OUR SET,
>> HERE'S THE GOOD NEWS. THE GOOD NEWS WAS ON OUR SET, HE WASN'T KILL THE BUTCHER,
THE GOOD NEWS WAS ON OUR SET, HE WASN'T KILL THE BUTCHER, SO UNLIKE MARTY SCORCESE WHO
HE WASN'T KILL THE BUTCHER, SO UNLIKE MARTY SCORCESE WHO HAD TO WALK ON EGG, I COULD
SO UNLIKE MARTY SCORCESE WHO HAD TO WALK ON EGG, I COULD WALK UP TO THE 15TH PRESIDENT
HAD TO WALK ON EGG, I COULD WALK UP TO THE 15TH PRESIDENT AND HAVE A COMPLETE
WALK UP TO THE 15TH PRESIDENT AND HAVE A COMPLETE CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND
AND HAVE A COMPLETE CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND FEEL SAFE AND TRUSTING AND IT
CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND FEEL SAFE AND TRUSTING AND IT WAS WONDERFUL.
FEEL SAFE AND TRUSTING AND IT WAS WONDERFUL. THE WORST MOMENT OF THE WHOLE
WAS WONDERFUL. THE WORST MOMENT OF THE WHOLE MOVIE WAS AT THE VERY END, ON
THE WORST MOMENT OF THE WHOLE MOVIE WAS AT THE VERY END, ON HIS DEATH BED, IN THE
MOVIE WAS AT THE VERY END, ON HIS DEATH BED, IN THE PETERSON HOUSE, WE WERE ALL
HIS DEATH BED, IN THE PETERSON HOUSE, WE WERE ALL DONE AND DANIEL WENT INTO HIS
PETERSON HOUSE, WE WERE ALL DONE AND DANIEL WENT INTO HIS TRAILER TO THANK HIM FOR THIS
DONE AND DANIEL WENT INTO HIS TRAILER TO THANK HIM FOR THIS UNCANNY CHARACTER, AND HE
TRAILER TO THANK HIM FOR THIS UNCANNY CHARACTER, AND HE HUGGED ME, AND HE SPOKE TO ME
UNCANNY CHARACTER, AND HE HUGGED ME, AND HE SPOKE TO ME IN HIS ENGLISH ACCENT, FIRST
HUGGED ME, AND HE SPOKE TO ME IN HIS ENGLISH ACCENT, FIRST TIME I HAD HEARD IT IN FOUR
IN HIS ENGLISH ACCENT, FIRST TIME I HAD HEARD IT IN FOUR MONTHS.
TIME I HAD HEARD IT IN FOUR MONTHS. IT WAS MY UNDOING.
MONTHS. IT WAS MY UNDOING. HE WAS OUT OF CHARACTER AS
IT WAS MY UNDOING. HE WAS OUT OF CHARACTER AS QUICKLY AS HE FELL INTO
HE WAS OUT OF CHARACTER AS QUICKLY AS HE FELL INTO CHARACTER.
QUICKLY AS HE FELL INTO CHARACTER. BUT I HAD ONLY KNOWN ABRAHAM
CHARACTER. BUT I HAD ONLY KNOWN ABRAHAM LINCOLN FOR THOSE FOUR MONTHS
BUT I HAD ONLY KNOWN ABRAHAM LINCOLN FOR THOSE FOUR MONTHS OF SHOOTING.
LINCOLN FOR THOSE FOUR MONTHS OF SHOOTING. >> AND THE INCREDIBLE THING,
OF SHOOTING. >> AND THE INCREDIBLE THING, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, FOR THE
>> AND THE INCREDIBLE THING, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, FOR THE OTHER ACTORS IN THE MOVIE,
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, FOR THE OTHER ACTORS IN THE MOVIE, WERE THAT THEY TREATED HIM AS
OTHER ACTORS IN THE MOVIE, WERE THAT THEY TREATED HIM AS IF HE WAS MR. LINCOLN.
WERE THAT THEY TREATED HIM AS IF HE WAS MR. LINCOLN. HE WOULD COME SHUFFLING BY
IF HE WAS MR. LINCOLN. HE WOULD COME SHUFFLING BY AND THEY'D THINK MY GOD,
HE WOULD COME SHUFFLING BY AND THEY'D THINK MY GOD, MR. LINCOLN IS COMING.
AND THEY'D THINK MY GOD, MR. LINCOLN IS COMING. THE FUNNY STORY THAT STANTON
MR. LINCOLN IS COMING. THE FUNNY STORY THAT STANTON TOLD ME WAS THAT HE KNEW
THE FUNNY STORY THAT STANTON TOLD ME WAS THAT HE KNEW ALREADY THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED
TOLD ME WAS THAT HE KNEW ALREADY THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MR. PRESIDENT AND HE
ALREADY THAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MR. PRESIDENT AND HE WAS GOING TO BE MEETING HIM
TO BE MR. PRESIDENT AND HE WAS GOING TO BE MEETING HIM FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND THEY
WAS GOING TO BE MEETING HIM FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND THEY ALL HAVE SUCH AWE FOR HIM AS
FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND THEY ALL HAVE SUCH AWE FOR HIM AS AN ACTOR, SO HE WAS LIKE WHAT
ALL HAVE SUCH AWE FOR HIM AS AN ACTOR, SO HE WAS LIKE WHAT AM I GOING TO SAY TO HIM,
AN ACTOR, SO HE WAS LIKE WHAT AM I GOING TO SAY TO HIM, MR. LINCOLN, MR. PRESIDENT
AM I GOING TO SAY TO HIM, MR. LINCOLN, MR. PRESIDENT AND HE REMEMBERED THAT
MR. LINCOLN, MR. PRESIDENT AND HE REMEMBERED THAT STANDON HAD HAD THIS --
AND HE REMEMBERED THAT STANDON HAD HAD THIS -- STANTON HAD HAD THIS FIGHT
STANDON HAD HAD THIS -- STANTON HAD HAD THIS FIGHT WITH LYNNON IN THE '50S,
STANTON HAD HAD THIS FIGHT WITH LYNNON IN THE '50S, WHERE LINCOLN HAD HUMILIATED
WITH LYNNON IN THE '50S, WHERE LINCOLN HAD HUMILIATED STANTON, WHICH MADE IT
WHERE LINCOLN HAD HUMILIATED STANTON, WHICH MADE IT AMAZING THAT HE PUT HIM IN
STANTON, WHICH MADE IT AMAZING THAT HE PUT HIM IN THE CABINET, SO HE SAID
AMAZING THAT HE PUT HIM IN THE CABINET, SO HE SAID MR. PRESIDENT, I'M SORRY
THE CABINET, SO HE SAID MR. PRESIDENT, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT INCIDENT IN 1850
MR. PRESIDENT, I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT INCIDENT IN 1850 AND AGAIN, NOT BREAKING, HE
ABOUT THAT INCIDENT IN 1850 AND AGAIN, NOT BREAKING, HE SAID IT'S ALL RIGHT.
AND AGAIN, NOT BREAKING, HE SAID IT'S ALL RIGHT. THAT'S HOW HE SAID HELLO TO
SAID IT'S ALL RIGHT. THAT'S HOW HE SAID HELLO TO HIM.
THAT'S HOW HE SAID HELLO TO HIM. >> HOW WAS IT FOR YOU TO WALK
HIM. >> HOW WAS IT FOR YOU TO WALK UP AND SEE HIM DRESSED AND IN
>> HOW WAS IT FOR YOU TO WALK UP AND SEE HIM DRESSED AND IN THE CHARACTER OF LINCOLN FOR
UP AND SEE HIM DRESSED AND IN THE CHARACTER OF LINCOLN FOR THE FIRST TIME?
THE CHARACTER OF LINCOLN FOR THE FIRST TIME? >> I THINK THE -- WELL, I
THE FIRST TIME? >> I THINK THE -- WELL, I DIDN'T SEE HIM ON THE SET,
>> I THINK THE -- WELL, I DIDN'T SEE HIM ON THE SET, BECAUSE WHEN I CAME TO THE
DIDN'T SEE HIM ON THE SET, BECAUSE WHEN I CAME TO THE SET, HE WASN'T ACTING THE
BECAUSE WHEN I CAME TO THE SET, HE WASN'T ACTING THE DAYS THAT I WAS THERE.
SET, HE WASN'T ACTING THE DAYS THAT I WAS THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, AS I'VE SAID
DAYS THAT I WAS THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, WHEN I SAW THE WHITE
BUT YOU KNOW, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, WHEN I SAW THE WHITE HOUSE SET, RICK CARTER, THE
BEFORE, WHEN I SAW THE WHITE HOUSE SET, RICK CARTER, THE PRODUCTION DESIGNER, TOOK ME
HOUSE SET, RICK CARTER, THE PRODUCTION DESIGNER, TOOK ME THERE, AND HE SAID THIS IS
PRODUCTION DESIGNER, TOOK ME THERE, AND HE SAID THIS IS GOING TO BE REALLY SPECIAL,
THERE, AND HE SAID THIS IS GOING TO BE REALLY SPECIAL, AND I WALKED IN, AND THIS IS
GOING TO BE REALLY SPECIAL, AND I WALKED IN, AND THIS IS WHERE ATTENTION TO DETAIL
AND I WALKED IN, AND THIS IS WHERE ATTENTION TO DETAIL MUST MATTER NOT ONLY TO YOU
WHERE ATTENTION TO DETAIL MUST MATTER NOT ONLY TO YOU AS A DIRECTOR, BUT TO THE
MUST MATTER NOT ONLY TO YOU AS A DIRECTOR, BUT TO THE ACTORS.
AS A DIRECTOR, BUT TO THE ACTORS. THEY KNOW, THEY FEEL LIKE
ACTORS. THEY KNOW, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BACK IN THAT TIME.
THEY KNOW, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BACK IN THAT TIME. YOU KNOW, THEY HAD RESEARCHED
THEY'RE BACK IN THAT TIME. YOU KNOW, THEY HAD RESEARCHED WHAT WAS ON HIS DESK, WHAT
YOU KNOW, THEY HAD RESEARCHED WHAT WAS ON HIS DESK, WHAT BOOKS WAS LINCOLN READING AT
WHAT WAS ON HIS DESK, WHAT BOOKS WAS LINCOLN READING AT THE TIME, WHAT DID THE
BOOKS WAS LINCOLN READING AT THE TIME, WHAT DID THE WALLPAPER LOOK LIKE.
THE TIME, WHAT DID THE WALLPAPER LOOK LIKE. THEY HAD IT MADE SO THE
WALLPAPER LOOK LIKE. THEY HAD IT MADE SO THE CARPET WOULD BE THE WAY IT
THEY HAD IT MADE SO THE CARPET WOULD BE THE WAY IT WAS.
CARPET WOULD BE THE WAY IT WAS. AND I REMEMBER READING ABOUT
WAS. AND I REMEMBER READING ABOUT A DIRECTOR IN THE '20S, ERIC
AND I REMEMBER READING ABOUT A DIRECTOR IN THE '20S, ERIC STROHEIM, AND HE HAD DIRECTED
A DIRECTOR IN THE '20S, ERIC STROHEIM, AND HE HAD DIRECTED FILMS WHERE THEY WERE WEALTHY
STROHEIM, AND HE HAD DIRECTED FILMS WHERE THEY WERE WEALTHY LADIES AND THE OUTER COSTUME
FILMS WHERE THEY WERE WEALTHY LADIES AND THE OUTER COSTUME WAS ALL YOU WOULD SEE BUT HE
LADIES AND THE OUTER COSTUME WAS ALL YOU WOULD SEE BUT HE WOULD MAKE THEM WEAR SILK
WAS ALL YOU WOULD SEE BUT HE WOULD MAKE THEM WEAR SILK UNDERWEAR, EVEN THOUGH YOU'D
WOULD MAKE THEM WEAR SILK UNDERWEAR, EVEN THOUGH YOU'D NEVER SEE IT, SO THEY WOULD
UNDERWEAR, EVEN THOUGH YOU'D NEVER SEE IT, SO THEY WOULD FEEL WEALTHY.
NEVER SEE IT, SO THEY WOULD FEEL WEALTHY. >> I THINK IT WAS MORE TO
FEEL WEALTHY. >> I THINK IT WAS MORE TO MAKE ERIC FEEL SOMETHING!
>> I THINK IT WAS MORE TO MAKE ERIC FEEL SOMETHING! >> [LAUGHTER]
MAKE ERIC FEEL SOMETHING! >> [LAUGHTER] >> NOW I'M GOING TO GO!
>> [LAUGHTER] >> NOW I'M GOING TO GO! >> OKAY!
>> NOW I'M GOING TO GO! >> OKAY! >> SPEAKING OF THIS, I
>> OKAY! >> SPEAKING OF THIS, I UNDERSTAND THAW ACTUALLY FOR
>> SPEAKING OF THIS, I UNDERSTAND THAW ACTUALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME WORE A SUIT
UNDERSTAND THAW ACTUALLY FOR THE FIRST TIME WORE A SUIT AND A TIE THROUGHOUT THE
THE FIRST TIME WORE A SUIT AND A TIE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SHOOT.
AND A TIE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SHOOT. >> I DID.
ENTIRE SHOOT. >> I DID. BECAUSE THE THING THAT WAS,
>> I DID. BECAUSE THE THING THAT WAS, IT'S INTERESTING, I GOT SO
BECAUSE THE THING THAT WAS, IT'S INTERESTING, I GOT SO INTO THIS EXPERIENCE, AND I
IT'S INTERESTING, I GOT SO INTO THIS EXPERIENCE, AND I CALLED EVERYBODY, BY THE WAY
INTO THIS EXPERIENCE, AND I CALLED EVERYBODY, BY THE WAY -- I DIDN'T CALL DANIEL
CALLED EVERYBODY, BY THE WAY -- I DIDN'T CALL DANIEL MR. LINCOLN OR MR. PRESIDENT
-- I DIDN'T CALL DANIEL MR. LINCOLN OR MR. PRESIDENT AND TURN AROUND AND CALL
MR. LINCOLN OR MR. PRESIDENT AND TURN AROUND AND CALL STANTON BRUCE.
AND TURN AROUND AND CALL STANTON BRUCE. I CALLED EVERYBODY BY THE
STANTON BRUCE. I CALLED EVERYBODY BY THE CHARACTER NAMES.
I CALLED EVERYBODY BY THE CHARACTER NAMES. I NEVER ONCE CALLED DAVID,
CHARACTER NAMES. I NEVER ONCE CALLED DAVID, DAVID, I CALLED HIM
I NEVER ONCE CALLED DAVID, DAVID, I CALLED HIM MR. SECRETARY, TOMMY LEE
DAVID, I CALLED HIM MR. SECRETARY, TOMMY LEE JONES, -- SALLY FIELD AND I
MR. SECRETARY, TOMMY LEE JONES, -- SALLY FIELD AND I HAVE BEEN KNOWING EACH OTHER
JONES, -- SALLY FIELD AND I HAVE BEEN KNOWING EACH OTHER 40 YEARS, SHE WENT TO MY
HAVE BEEN KNOWING EACH OTHER 40 YEARS, SHE WENT TO MY WEDDING, AND FIRST TIME I WAS
40 YEARS, SHE WENT TO MY WEDDING, AND FIRST TIME I WAS WORKING THERE AND I KNOW HER
WEDDING, AND FIRST TIME I WAS WORKING THERE AND I KNOW HER AS SAL AND I CALLED HER MARY
WORKING THERE AND I KNOW HER AS SAL AND I CALLED HER MARY TODD.
AS SAL AND I CALLED HER MARY TODD. THAT WAS THE HARDEST THING
TODD. THAT WAS THE HARDEST THING FOR ME, WAS TO NOT CALL HER
THAT WAS THE HARDEST THING FOR ME, WAS TO NOT CALL HER SALLY OR SAL BUT I TAKE THE
FOR ME, WAS TO NOT CALL HER SALLY OR SAL BUT I TAKE THE AMBIENCE, WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT
SALLY OR SAL BUT I TAKE THE AMBIENCE, WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT RICK CARTER, THE SETS, THE
AMBIENCE, WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT RICK CARTER, THE SETS, THE ACTORS KNOWING THAT WAS THE
RICK CARTER, THE SETS, THE ACTORS KNOWING THAT WAS THE COLOR OF THE WALLPAPER, THOSE
ACTORS KNOWING THAT WAS THE COLOR OF THE WALLPAPER, THOSE WERE THE COLOR OF THE FLOORS,
COLOR OF THE WALLPAPER, THOSE WERE THE COLOR OF THE FLOORS, THAT'S WHAT THE FROCKING
WERE THE COLOR OF THE FLOORS, THAT'S WHAT THE FROCKING LOOKED LIKE, ALL OF THESE
THAT'S WHAT THE FROCKING LOOKED LIKE, ALL OF THESE THINGS ADD TO A FEELING THAT
LOOKED LIKE, ALL OF THESE THINGS ADD TO A FEELING THAT YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING NOT
THINGS ADD TO A FEELING THAT YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING NOT PRETENTIOUS BUT DOING
YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING NOT PRETENTIOUS BUT DOING SOMETHING LASTING, YOU'RE
PRETENTIOUS BUT DOING SOMETHING LASTING, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING
SOMETHING LASTING, YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO PERHAPS STAND THE TEST OF
DOING SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO PERHAPS STAND THE TEST OF TIME.
TO PERHAPS STAND THE TEST OF TIME. LINCOLN CERTAINLY HAS, AND WE
TIME. LINCOLN CERTAINLY HAS, AND WE DID NOT WANT OUR MOVIE TO BE
LINCOLN CERTAINLY HAS, AND WE DID NOT WANT OUR MOVIE TO BE ANYTHING LESS THAN A TRIBUTE
DID NOT WANT OUR MOVIE TO BE ANYTHING LESS THAN A TRIBUTE TO HIS LEGACY.
ANYTHING LESS THAN A TRIBUTE TO HIS LEGACY. IT WAS SUCH A PRIVILEGE TO BE
TO HIS LEGACY. IT WAS SUCH A PRIVILEGE TO BE PART OF HIS LEGACY, TO
IT WAS SUCH A PRIVILEGE TO BE PART OF HIS LEGACY, TO HOPEFULLY ALSO BE ABLE TO
PART OF HIS LEGACY, TO HOPEFULLY ALSO BE ABLE TO STAND AS A MONIKER FOR THAT
HOPEFULLY ALSO BE ABLE TO STAND AS A MONIKER FOR THAT TEST OF TIME.
STAND AS A MONIKER FOR THAT TEST OF TIME. >> WONDERFUL.
TEST OF TIME. >> WONDERFUL. >> [APPLAUSE]
>> WONDERFUL. >> [APPLAUSE] >> ONE OF THE MANY THINGS
>> [APPLAUSE] >> ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THAT YOU HAVE DONE, THE THREE
>> ONE OF THE MANY THINGS THAT YOU HAVE DONE, THE THREE OF YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING
THAT YOU HAVE DONE, THE THREE OF YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING ELSE THAT BEFORE NOW WAS
OF YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING ELSE THAT BEFORE NOW WAS PROBABLY THOUGHT NEARLY
ELSE THAT BEFORE NOW WAS PROBABLY THOUGHT NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE, YOU'VE
PROBABLY THOUGHT NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE, YOU'VE RESURRECTED THE LIVES OF A
IMPOSSIBLE, YOU'VE RESURRECTED THE LIVES OF A FEW VERY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL
RESURRECTED THE LIVES OF A FEW VERY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL FIGURES, THADIEOUS STEVENS,
FEW VERY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL FIGURES, THADIEOUS STEVENS, ONE OF MY HEROES, ELIZABETH
FIGURES, THADIEOUS STEVENS, ONE OF MY HEROES, ELIZABETH KECKLEY FROM PETERSBURG,
ONE OF MY HEROES, ELIZABETH KECKLEY FROM PETERSBURG, VIRGINIA, THOSE TWO
KECKLEY FROM PETERSBURG, VIRGINIA, THOSE TWO CHARACTERS, TO NAME A FEW.
VIRGINIA, THOSE TWO CHARACTERS, TO NAME A FEW. HOW IMPORTANT WAS IT FOR YOU
CHARACTERS, TO NAME A FEW. HOW IMPORTANT WAS IT FOR YOU TO HAVE THESE SORT OF
HOW IMPORTANT WAS IT FOR YOU TO HAVE THESE SORT OF FORGOTTEN FIGURES GIVEN
TO HAVE THESE SORT OF FORGOTTEN FIGURES GIVEN ANOTHER CHANCE AT HISTORY?
FORGOTTEN FIGURES GIVEN ANOTHER CHANCE AT HISTORY? >> ONE OF THE THINGS, THE
ANOTHER CHANCE AT HISTORY? >> ONE OF THE THINGS, THE FIRST THING THAT I CARED
>> ONE OF THE THINGS, THE FIRST THING THAT I CARED ABOUT, AND IN SOME WAYS THE
FIRST THING THAT I CARED ABOUT, AND IN SOME WAYS THE MOST, WHEN I WAS WORKING ON
ABOUT, AND IN SOME WAYS THE MOST, WHEN I WAS WORKING ON THE BOOK, OTHER THAN LINCOLN,
MOST, WHEN I WAS WORKING ON THE BOOK, OTHER THAN LINCOLN, AND HE'S NOT FORGOTTEN, BUT
THE BOOK, OTHER THAN LINCOLN, AND HE'S NOT FORGOTTEN, BUT HASN'T BEEN GIVEN AS MUCH
AND HE'S NOT FORGOTTEN, BUT HASN'T BEEN GIVEN AS MUCH HISTORIC UNDERSTANDING AS HE
HASN'T BEEN GIVEN AS MUCH HISTORIC UNDERSTANDING AS HE SHOULD, SO I WAS REALLY GLAD
HISTORIC UNDERSTANDING AS HE SHOULD, SO I WAS REALLY GLAD TO SEE SEWARD AND THAT
SHOULD, SO I WAS REALLY GLAD TO SEE SEWARD AND THAT RELATIONSHIP, EVEN THOUGH IT
TO SEE SEWARD AND THAT RELATIONSHIP, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS, AGAIN, INTENSE AND A
RELATIONSHIP, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS, AGAIN, INTENSE AND A SMALL PIECE OF A LONG
WAS, AGAIN, INTENSE AND A SMALL PIECE OF A LONG RELATIONSHIP AND THE IDEA
SMALL PIECE OF A LONG RELATIONSHIP AND THE IDEA THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO
RELATIONSHIP AND THE IDEA THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THE SEWARD HOUSE THAN BEFORE,
THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THE SEWARD HOUSE THAN BEFORE, YOU FEEL LIKE YES, SOMETHING
THE SEWARD HOUSE THAN BEFORE, YOU FEEL LIKE YES, SOMETHING IS HAPPENING.
YOU FEEL LIKE YES, SOMETHING IS HAPPENING. THAT'S REALLY GREAT.
IS HAPPENING. THAT'S REALLY GREAT. TONY DESERVES ALL THE CREDIT
THAT'S REALLY GREAT. TONY DESERVES ALL THE CREDIT FOR THADDEUS STEVENS.
TONY DESERVES ALL THE CREDIT FOR THADDEUS STEVENS. HE'S BROUGHT STEVENS BACK TO
FOR THADDEUS STEVENS. HE'S BROUGHT STEVENS BACK TO LIFE.
HE'S BROUGHT STEVENS BACK TO LIFE. >> HE HAS.
LIFE. >> HE HAS. >> HE'S REALLY AN ASTONISHING
>> HE HAS. >> HE'S REALLY AN ASTONISHING FIGURE, AND HE APPEARS I
>> HE'S REALLY AN ASTONISHING FIGURE, AND HE APPEARS I THINK IN BIRTH OF A NATION,
FIGURE, AND HE APPEARS I THINK IN BIRTH OF A NATION, AND IN TENNESSEE JOHNSON, AND
THINK IN BIRTH OF A NATION, AND IN TENNESSEE JOHNSON, AND --
AND IN TENNESSEE JOHNSON, AND -- >> A DIFFERENT KIND OF WAY.
-- >> A DIFFERENT KIND OF WAY. >> EXACTLY.
>> A DIFFERENT KIND OF WAY. >> EXACTLY. I MEAN, HE'S REPRESENTED BOTH
>> EXACTLY. I MEAN, HE'S REPRESENTED BOTH AS A KIND OF MONSTER.
I MEAN, HE'S REPRESENTED BOTH AS A KIND OF MONSTER. BUT HE REALLY WAS A MORAL
AS A KIND OF MONSTER. BUT HE REALLY WAS A MORAL GIANT, AND A GREAT
BUT HE REALLY WAS A MORAL GIANT, AND A GREAT POLITICIAN, AND A REAL
GIANT, AND A GREAT POLITICIAN, AND A REAL VISIONARY.
POLITICIAN, AND A REAL VISIONARY. AND SOMEBODY THAT I FELL
VISIONARY. AND SOMEBODY THAT I FELL TOTALLY HEAD OVER HEELS WITH,
AND SOMEBODY THAT I FELL TOTALLY HEAD OVER HEELS WITH, AND SOMEBODY THAT REALLY IN
TOTALLY HEAD OVER HEELS WITH, AND SOMEBODY THAT REALLY IN MANY WAYS WAS A LOT LIKE
AND SOMEBODY THAT REALLY IN MANY WAYS WAS A LOT LIKE LINCOLN, ALTHOUGH THERE WERE
MANY WAYS WAS A LOT LIKE LINCOLN, ALTHOUGH THERE WERE PERSONALITY DIFFERENCES THAT
LINCOLN, ALTHOUGH THERE WERE PERSONALITY DIFFERENCES THAT WERE -- THEY EVEN LOOK A
PERSONALITY DIFFERENCES THAT WERE -- THEY EVEN LOOK A LITTLE BIT ALIKE WHEN YOU
WERE -- THEY EVEN LOOK A LITTLE BIT ALIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT PICTURES OF STEVENS.
LITTLE BIT ALIKE WHEN YOU LOOK AT PICTURES OF STEVENS. BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE LINCOLN'S
LOOK AT PICTURES OF STEVENS. BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE LINCOLN'S IMMENSE -- HIS VASTNESS, HIS
BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE LINCOLN'S IMMENSE -- HIS VASTNESS, HIS IMMENSE SIZE BUT HE WAS AN
IMMENSE -- HIS VASTNESS, HIS IMMENSE SIZE BUT HE WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY FIGURE.
IMMENSE SIZE BUT HE WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY FIGURE. >> AND MY KIDS SAW THE MOVIE
EXTRAORDINARY FIGURE. >> AND MY KIDS SAW THE MOVIE AND SAID DAD, EVERYTHING WAS
>> AND MY KIDS SAW THE MOVIE AND SAID DAD, EVERYTHING WAS OKAY EXCEPT THAT WIG ON THAT
AND SAID DAD, EVERYTHING WAS OKAY EXCEPT THAT WIG ON THAT ACTOR, WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE
OKAY EXCEPT THAT WIG ON THAT ACTOR, WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE HIS HAIR LOOK REAL!
ACTOR, WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE HIS HAIR LOOK REAL! AND MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER WAS
HIS HAIR LOOK REAL! AND MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE HAIR,
AND MY YOUNGEST DAUGHTER WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE HAIR, AND I SAID WELL, HE REALLY
COMPLAINING ABOUT THE HAIR, AND I SAID WELL, HE REALLY WORE THIS HORRENDOUS REDDISH
AND I SAID WELL, HE REALLY WORE THIS HORRENDOUS REDDISH WIG THAT OFTEN, WHEN HE PUT
WORE THIS HORRENDOUS REDDISH WIG THAT OFTEN, WHEN HE PUT IT ON BACKWARDS BY MISTAKE,
WIG THAT OFTEN, WHEN HE PUT IT ON BACKWARDS BY MISTAKE, PEOPLE WERE TOO INTIMIDATED
IT ON BACKWARDS BY MISTAKE, PEOPLE WERE TOO INTIMIDATED BY HIM TO CORRECT THE WAY HE
PEOPLE WERE TOO INTIMIDATED BY HIM TO CORRECT THE WAY HE WORE IT!
BY HIM TO CORRECT THE WAY HE WORE IT! >> [LAUGHTER]
WORE IT! >> [LAUGHTER] >> WHEN THE TRAILER SEARCH
>> [LAUGHTER] >> WHEN THE TRAILER SEARCH CAME IN, IT WAS LIKE SUCH A
>> WHEN THE TRAILER SEARCH CAME IN, IT WAS LIKE SUCH A -- NOBODY SAW PICTURES OF
CAME IN, IT WAS LIKE SUCH A -- NOBODY SAW PICTURES OF DANIEL EXCEPT THIS ONE
-- NOBODY SAW PICTURES OF DANIEL EXCEPT THIS ONE PICTURE TAKEN IN A RESTAURANT
DANIEL EXCEPT THIS ONE PICTURE TAKEN IN A RESTAURANT IN RICHMOND, WHEN HE'S IN
PICTURE TAKEN IN A RESTAURANT IN RICHMOND, WHEN HE'S IN JEANS, AND THAT WENT
IN RICHMOND, WHEN HE'S IN JEANS, AND THAT WENT EVERYWHERE, BUT THERE WAS
JEANS, AND THAT WENT EVERYWHERE, BUT THERE WAS VERY LITTLE OF THE MOVIE THAT
EVERYWHERE, BUT THERE WAS VERY LITTLE OF THE MOVIE THAT ANYBODY GOT TO SEE SO THE DAY
VERY LITTLE OF THE MOVIE THAT ANYBODY GOT TO SEE SO THE DAY THE TRAILER CAME OUT THERE
ANYBODY GOT TO SEE SO THE DAY THE TRAILER CAME OUT THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF ATTENTION
THE TRAILER CAME OUT THERE WAS A GREAT DEAL OF ATTENTION AND THERE WAS ONE SHOT OF
WAS A GREAT DEAL OF ATTENTION AND THERE WAS ONE SHOT OF TOMMY LEE JONES IN THE WIG,
AND THERE WAS ONE SHOT OF TOMMY LEE JONES IN THE WIG, SO IT WAS JUST THOUSANDS OF
TOMMY LEE JONES IN THE WIG, SO IT WAS JUST THOUSANDS OF POSTINGS SAYING OH MY GOD DID
SO IT WAS JUST THOUSANDS OF POSTINGS SAYING OH MY GOD DID YOU SEE THAT WIG THEY PUT ON?
POSTINGS SAYING OH MY GOD DID YOU SEE THAT WIG THEY PUT ON? WHO WAS THE COSTUME DESIGNER!
YOU SEE THAT WIG THEY PUT ON? WHO WAS THE COSTUME DESIGNER! WHO DESIGNED THAT WIG!
WHO WAS THE COSTUME DESIGNER! WHO DESIGNED THAT WIG! BUT HE WAS BALD, AND HE HAD
WHO DESIGNED THAT WIG! BUT HE WAS BALD, AND HE HAD THIS STRANGE VANITY, AND HE
BUT HE WAS BALD, AND HE HAD THIS STRANGE VANITY, AND HE WORE THIS -- ALTHOUGH I
THIS STRANGE VANITY, AND HE WORE THIS -- ALTHOUGH I THINK, LIKE LINCOLN, AND LIKE
WORE THIS -- ALTHOUGH I THINK, LIKE LINCOLN, AND LIKE MOST POLITICIANS, HE HAD A
THINK, LIKE LINCOLN, AND LIKE MOST POLITICIANS, HE HAD A REAL SENSE OF THEATER, HE HAD
MOST POLITICIANS, HE HAD A REAL SENSE OF THEATER, HE HAD -- ONE LEG WAS CONSIDERABLY
REAL SENSE OF THEATER, HE HAD -- ONE LEG WAS CONSIDERABLY SHORTER THAN THE OTHER SO HE
-- ONE LEG WAS CONSIDERABLY SHORTER THAN THE OTHER SO HE WORE THIS VERY HEAVY BOOT,
SHORTER THAN THE OTHER SO HE WORE THIS VERY HEAVY BOOT, AND IT WAS ALSO CORRECTIVE,
WORE THIS VERY HEAVY BOOT, AND IT WAS ALSO CORRECTIVE, SO HE MADE THIS ANGRY KIND OF
AND IT WAS ALSO CORRECTIVE, SO HE MADE THIS ANGRY KIND OF CLUMPING NOISE WHEN HE WALKED
SO HE MADE THIS ANGRY KIND OF CLUMPING NOISE WHEN HE WALKED AND HE HAD THE WIG IN HIS
CLUMPING NOISE WHEN HE WALKED AND HE HAD THE WIG IN HIS FACE, AND IT WAS CARVED OUT
AND HE HAD THE WIG IN HIS FACE, AND IT WAS CARVED OUT OF GRANITE AND HE MUST HAVE
FACE, AND IT WAS CARVED OUT OF GRANITE AND HE MUST HAVE BEEN A SCARY PERSON.
OF GRANITE AND HE MUST HAVE BEEN A SCARY PERSON. >> IMPOSING TO SAY THE LEAST.
BEEN A SCARY PERSON. >> IMPOSING TO SAY THE LEAST. >> MY FAVORITE, THADDEUS
>> IMPOSING TO SAY THE LEAST. >> MY FAVORITE, THADDEUS STEVENS, LINCOLN GOT TYPHOID
>> MY FAVORITE, THADDEUS STEVENS, LINCOLN GOT TYPHOID FEVER AT GETTYSBURG, CAUGHT
STEVENS, LINCOLN GOT TYPHOID FEVER AT GETTYSBURG, CAUGHT IT FROM HIS SON, PAT, WHO WAS
FEVER AT GETTYSBURG, CAUGHT IT FROM HIS SON, PAT, WHO WAS ALREADY SICK WITH IT, THEN
IT FROM HIS SON, PAT, WHO WAS ALREADY SICK WITH IT, THEN CAME BACK, BUT HE GOT A MILD
ALREADY SICK WITH IT, THEN CAME BACK, BUT HE GOT A MILD CASE OF IT.
CAME BACK, BUT HE GOT A MILD CASE OF IT. THEY HAD TO SHAVE OFF HIS
CASE OF IT. THEY HAD TO SHAVE OFF HIS BEARD.
THEY HAD TO SHAVE OFF HIS BEARD. THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME WHEN
BEARD. THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT THAT HE
THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE A BEARD, IT WAS
HE WAS PRESIDENT THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE A BEARD, IT WAS IN NOVEMBER-DECEMBER OF 1863,
DIDN'T HAVE A BEARD, IT WAS IN NOVEMBER-DECEMBER OF 1863, AND HE HAD A MILD CASE OF
IN NOVEMBER-DECEMBER OF 1863, AND HE HAD A MILD CASE OF TYPHOID FEVER CALLED
AND HE HAD A MILD CASE OF TYPHOID FEVER CALLED VARIALOID AND ONE OF THE
TYPHOID FEVER CALLED VARIALOID AND ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES WENT UP TO
VARIALOID AND ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES WENT UP TO THADDEUS STEVENS AND SAID DID
REPRESENTATIVES WENT UP TO THADDEUS STEVENS AND SAID DID YOU HEAR LINCOLN IS REALLY
THADDEUS STEVENS AND SAID DID YOU HEAR LINCOLN IS REALLY SICK AND HE SAID WHAT'S WRONG
YOU HEAR LINCOLN IS REALLY SICK AND HE SAID WHAT'S WRONG WITH HIM AND HE HAS VARIALOID
SICK AND HE SAID WHAT'S WRONG WITH HIM AND HE HAS VARIALOID AND STEVENS SAID WHAT THE
WITH HIM AND HE HAS VARIALOID AND STEVENS SAID WHAT THE HELL IS THAT AND THEY SAID A
AND STEVENS SAID WHAT THE HELL IS THAT AND THEY SAID A MODERATE FORM OF TYPHUS, AND
HELL IS THAT AND THEY SAID A MODERATE FORM OF TYPHUS, AND STEVENS SAID JESUS CHRIST,
MODERATE FORM OF TYPHUS, AND STEVENS SAID JESUS CHRIST, CAN'T HE COMMIT TO ANYTHING?
STEVENS SAID JESUS CHRIST, CAN'T HE COMMIT TO ANYTHING? >> [LAUGHTER]
CAN'T HE COMMIT TO ANYTHING? >> [LAUGHTER] >> ONE OF THE LATE SURPRISES
>> [LAUGHTER] >> ONE OF THE LATE SURPRISES IN THE FILM FOR ME IS THE
>> ONE OF THE LATE SURPRISES IN THE FILM FOR ME IS THE CHARACTER OF WILLIAM BILBOW,
IN THE FILM FOR ME IS THE CHARACTER OF WILLIAM BILBOW, PLAYED SO WELL BY JAMES
CHARACTER OF WILLIAM BILBOW, PLAYED SO WELL BY JAMES SPADER AND HE'S NOT IN THE
PLAYED SO WELL BY JAMES SPADER AND HE'S NOT IN THE BOOK.
SPADER AND HE'S NOT IN THE BOOK. IS THAT CORRECT, WAS THAT
BOOK. IS THAT CORRECT, WAS THAT CHARACTER IN THE BOOK?
IS THAT CORRECT, WAS THAT CHARACTER IN THE BOOK? >> I'D SAY SO, SO THE FACT
CHARACTER IN THE BOOK? >> I'D SAY SO, SO THE FACT THAT SEWARD GOT SOME GUYS
>> I'D SAY SO, SO THE FACT THAT SEWARD GOT SOME GUYS FROM ALBANY AND HE GOT HIS
THAT SEWARD GOT SOME GUYS FROM ALBANY AND HE GOT HIS MANAGER TO FIND THEM AND PAID
FROM ALBANY AND HE GOT HIS MANAGER TO FIND THEM AND PAID MONEY TO GET THEM, THAT WAS
MANAGER TO FIND THEM AND PAID MONEY TO GET THEM, THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
MONEY TO GET THEM, THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. >> YEAH, BUT --
ABSOLUTELY TRUE. >> YEAH, BUT -- >> YOU'VE RESEARCHED AND
>> YEAH, BUT -- >> YOU'VE RESEARCHED AND DISCOVERED THAT --
>> YOU'VE RESEARCHED AND DISCOVERED THAT -- >> HE WAS SO INTERESTING IN
DISCOVERED THAT -- >> HE WAS SO INTERESTING IN THE MOVIE.
>> HE WAS SO INTERESTING IN THE MOVIE. >> HE'S AN AMAZING CHARACTER.
THE MOVIE. >> HE'S AN AMAZING CHARACTER. HE WAS ACTUALLY ARRESTED I
>> HE'S AN AMAZING CHARACTER. HE WAS ACTUALLY ARRESTED I THINK A YEAR BEFORE UNDER
HE WAS ACTUALLY ARRESTED I THINK A YEAR BEFORE UNDER SUSPICION OF BEING A SPY AND
THINK A YEAR BEFORE UNDER SUSPICION OF BEING A SPY AND LINCOLN PARDONED HIM.
SUSPICION OF BEING A SPY AND LINCOLN PARDONED HIM. I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE
LINCOLN PARDONED HIM. I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS, BUT LINCOLN PARDONED
I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS, BUT LINCOLN PARDONED HIM, SO THEY HAD NEVER MET,
DETAILS, BUT LINCOLN PARDONED HIM, SO THEY HAD NEVER MET, BUT THEY HAD AN QUAINTANS.
HIM, SO THEY HAD NEVER MET, BUT THEY HAD AN QUAINTANS. -- AN ACQUAINTANCE.
BUT THEY HAD AN QUAINTANS. -- AN ACQUAINTANCE. HE BECAME I THINK A
-- AN ACQUAINTANCE. HE BECAME I THINK A REPRESENTATIVE AFTER THE WAR.
HE BECAME I THINK A REPRESENTATIVE AFTER THE WAR. AND HE WAS AN EDUCATED MAN
REPRESENTATIVE AFTER THE WAR. AND HE WAS AN EDUCATED MAN AND HE'S IN THE CONGRESSIONAL
AND HE WAS AN EDUCATED MAN AND HE'S IN THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD SORT OF TALKING ABOUT
AND HE'S IN THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD SORT OF TALKING ABOUT HIS ROLE DOING THIS SLIGHTLY
RECORD SORT OF TALKING ABOUT HIS ROLE DOING THIS SLIGHTLY QUASI LEGAL STUFF TO GET THE
HIS ROLE DOING THIS SLIGHTLY QUASI LEGAL STUFF TO GET THE 13TH AMENDMENT PASSED.
QUASI LEGAL STUFF TO GET THE 13TH AMENDMENT PASSED. AND HE WAS THE ONLY
13TH AMENDMENT PASSED. AND HE WAS THE ONLY SOUTHERNER OF THE GROUP.
AND HE WAS THE ONLY SOUTHERNER OF THE GROUP. MOST OF THE -- SEWARD'S
SOUTHERNER OF THE GROUP. MOST OF THE -- SEWARD'S MANAGER GOT PEOPLE LIKE
MOST OF THE -- SEWARD'S MANAGER GOT PEOPLE LIKE SHALLET -- WE KNOW OF FIVE OR
MANAGER GOT PEOPLE LIKE SHALLET -- WE KNOW OF FIVE OR SIX.
SHALLET -- WE KNOW OF FIVE OR SIX. >> HE DID PICK THREE BUT
SIX. >> HE DID PICK THREE BUT THERE WERE MORE THAN THREE IN
>> HE DID PICK THREE BUT THERE WERE MORE THAN THREE IN HISTORY.
THERE WERE MORE THAN THREE IN HISTORY. >> THOSE ARE THE THREE GUYS
HISTORY. >> THOSE ARE THE THREE GUYS THAT WE HAVE ARE THE THREE
>> THOSE ARE THE THREE GUYS THAT WE HAVE ARE THE THREE MOST SIGNIFICANT ONES.
THAT WE HAVE ARE THE THREE MOST SIGNIFICANT ONES. >> THE AMAZING THING ABOUT
MOST SIGNIFICANT ONES. >> THE AMAZING THING ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE FILM WAS
>> THE AMAZING THING ABOUT THE TIMING OF THE FILM WAS THAT GIVEN HOW LONG IT TOOK
THE TIMING OF THE FILM WAS THAT GIVEN HOW LONG IT TOOK IT WASN'T AN ACTUAL CHOICE
THAT GIVEN HOW LONG IT TOOK IT WASN'T AN ACTUAL CHOICE THAT IT SHOULD COME OUT AT A
IT WASN'T AN ACTUAL CHOICE THAT IT SHOULD COME OUT AT A TIME WHEN THE CONGRESS CANNOT
THAT IT SHOULD COME OUT AT A TIME WHEN THE CONGRESS CANNOT DO ANYTHING AND IT ACTUALLY
TIME WHEN THE CONGRESS CANNOT DO ANYTHING AND IT ACTUALLY DEPICTED SOMETHING GETTING
DO ANYTHING AND IT ACTUALLY DEPICTED SOMETHING GETTING DONE BY WHATEVER MEANS WERE
DEPICTED SOMETHING GETTING DONE BY WHATEVER MEANS WERE NECESSARY.
DONE BY WHATEVER MEANS WERE NECESSARY. THE COMBINATION OF CONVICTION
NECESSARY. THE COMBINATION OF CONVICTION AND COMPROMISE.
THE COMBINATION OF CONVICTION AND COMPROMISE. AND THAT'S WHAT BOTH LINCOLN
AND COMPROMISE. AND THAT'S WHAT BOTH LINCOLN AND THE CONGRESS WAS ABLE TO
AND THAT'S WHAT BOTH LINCOLN AND THE CONGRESS WAS ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AT, AND IT WAS
AND THE CONGRESS WAS ABLE TO COME TOGETHER AT, AND IT WAS FORTUITOUS THAT IT CAME OUT
COME TOGETHER AT, AND IT WAS FORTUITOUS THAT IT CAME OUT AT THE TIME WE HAD A LAME
FORTUITOUS THAT IT CAME OUT AT THE TIME WE HAD A LAME DUCK SESSION AND WE WERE
AT THE TIME WE HAD A LAME DUCK SESSION AND WE WERE HOPING MAYBE THEY WOULD TAKE
DUCK SESSION AND WE WERE HOPING MAYBE THEY WOULD TAKE NOTICE OF THIS AND THEY
HOPING MAYBE THEY WOULD TAKE NOTICE OF THIS AND THEY ACTUALLY DID COME AND WATCH
NOTICE OF THIS AND THEY ACTUALLY DID COME AND WATCH THE FILM AND MAYBE THE FISCAL
ACTUALLY DID COME AND WATCH THE FILM AND MAYBE THE FISCAL CLIFF DIDN'T GO OVER BECAUSE
THE FILM AND MAYBE THE FISCAL CLIFF DIDN'T GO OVER BECAUSE OF IT.
CLIFF DIDN'T GO OVER BECAUSE OF IT. >> 80 REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR A
OF IT. >> 80 REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR A TAX INCREASE, SO THERE YOU
>> 80 REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR A TAX INCREASE, SO THERE YOU GO.
TAX INCREASE, SO THERE YOU GO. >> YOU SEE, YOU GOT THEM TO
GO. >> YOU SEE, YOU GOT THEM TO DO IT!
>> YOU SEE, YOU GOT THEM TO DO IT! >> MAKE THE SHIFT.
DO IT! >> MAKE THE SHIFT. >> STEVEN, THE THEME, SO MANY
>> MAKE THE SHIFT. >> STEVEN, THE THEME, SO MANY COMPLEX THEMES BUT THE ONE
>> STEVEN, THE THEME, SO MANY COMPLEX THEMES BUT THE ONE ABOUT KEKCLEY WAS FOR ME AN
COMPLEX THEMES BUT THE ONE ABOUT KEKCLEY WAS FOR ME AN IMPORTANT SCENE, AND I NEVER
ABOUT KEKCLEY WAS FOR ME AN IMPORTANT SCENE, AND I NEVER HEARD THIS LADY REFERRED TO
IMPORTANT SCENE, AND I NEVER HEARD THIS LADY REFERRED TO IN THE TERMS OF KING LEAH
HEARD THIS LADY REFERRED TO IN THE TERMS OF KING LEAH BEFORE, SO THAT WAS A UNIQUE
IN THE TERMS OF KING LEAH BEFORE, SO THAT WAS A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE TO SAY THE LEAST.
BEFORE, SO THAT WAS A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE TO SAY THE LEAST. WHAT WAS YOUR INTENT WITH
EXPERIENCE TO SAY THE LEAST. WHAT WAS YOUR INTENT WITH THAT SCENE?
WHAT WAS YOUR INTENT WITH THAT SCENE? >> I THINK TONY SHOULD SPEAK
THAT SCENE? >> I THINK TONY SHOULD SPEAK TO THAT.
>> I THINK TONY SHOULD SPEAK TO THAT. I CAN CERTAINLY TELL YOU
TO THAT. I CAN CERTAINLY TELL YOU INITIALLY GOING IN THAT I
I CAN CERTAINLY TELL YOU INITIALLY GOING IN THAT I ALWAYS FELT THAT THAT SCENE
INITIALLY GOING IN THAT I ALWAYS FELT THAT THAT SCENE HAS -- SHOULD HAVE GONE IN
ALWAYS FELT THAT THAT SCENE HAS -- SHOULD HAVE GONE IN ANOTHER PLACE IN THE MOVIE.
HAS -- SHOULD HAVE GONE IN ANOTHER PLACE IN THE MOVIE. WE COULDN'T FIND ANOTHER
ANOTHER PLACE IN THE MOVIE. WE COULDN'T FIND ANOTHER PLACE FOR THAT SCENE.
WE COULDN'T FIND ANOTHER PLACE FOR THAT SCENE. BUT THAT SCENE WAS, AS TONY
PLACE FOR THAT SCENE. BUT THAT SCENE WAS, AS TONY WILL SPEAK TO IN A SECOND,
BUT THAT SCENE WAS, AS TONY WILL SPEAK TO IN A SECOND, ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS.
WILL SPEAK TO IN A SECOND, ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS. BECAUSE IT GAVE VOICE TO A
ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS. BECAUSE IT GAVE VOICE TO A BLACK WOMAN WHO WAS PROBABLY
BECAUSE IT GAVE VOICE TO A BLACK WOMAN WHO WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE FEW WITNESSES TO
BLACK WOMAN WHO WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE FEW WITNESSES TO BE BOTH AT THE HOUSE OF
ONE OF THE FEW WITNESSES TO BE BOTH AT THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND IN THE
BE BOTH AT THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
REPRESENTATIVES AND IN THE WHITE HOUSE. AND HAD TWO STUNNINGLY --
WHITE HOUSE. AND HAD TWO STUNNINGLY -- THIS WAS AN AMAZING
AND HAD TWO STUNNINGLY -- THIS WAS AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH THE
THIS WAS AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH THE PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY, HIM
OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH THE PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY, HIM DEMOCRAT -- THE DEMOCRATIC
PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY, HIM DEMOCRAT -- THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AT WORK BUT ALSO TO
DEMOCRAT -- THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AT WORK BUT ALSO TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE HOME
PROCESS AT WORK BUT ALSO TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE HOME LIFE WAS LIKE, BUT FOR HER TO
BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE HOME LIFE WAS LIKE, BUT FOR HER TO HAVE EXISTED IN THE FILM JUST
LIFE WAS LIKE, BUT FOR HER TO HAVE EXISTED IN THE FILM JUST AS MARY'S STEAM STRESS
HAVE EXISTED IN THE FILM JUST AS MARY'S STEAM STRESS WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SPEAK
AS MARY'S STEAM STRESS WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH OF HER OWN HEART,
WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SPEAK THE TRUTH OF HER OWN HEART, THE FACT THAT SHE LOST THE
THE TRUTH OF HER OWN HEART, THE FACT THAT SHE LOST THE SON IN THE UNION, FIGHTING A
THE FACT THAT SHE LOST THE SON IN THE UNION, FIGHTING A FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT, WAS
SON IN THE UNION, FIGHTING A FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT, WAS ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS THAT
FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT, WAS ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS THAT TONY BROUGHT TO THE FILM AND
ONE OF THE ESSENTIALS THAT TONY BROUGHT TO THE FILM AND SAID IF WE CAN'T FLASHBACK,
TONY BROUGHT TO THE FILM AND SAID IF WE CAN'T FLASHBACK, BECAUSE IT ABE ARBITRARY AND
SAID IF WE CAN'T FLASHBACK, BECAUSE IT ABE ARBITRARY AND ALMOST FALSE TO GO BACK TO
BECAUSE IT ABE ARBITRARY AND ALMOST FALSE TO GO BACK TO THE TWO OF THE THREE TIMES
ALMOST FALSE TO GO BACK TO THE TWO OF THE THREE TIMES THAT FREDERICK DOUGLAS
THE TWO OF THE THREE TIMES THAT FREDERICK DOUGLAS ACTUALLY HAD AN AUDIENCE WITH
THAT FREDERICK DOUGLAS ACTUALLY HAD AN AUDIENCE WITH PRESIDENT LINCOLN.
ACTUALLY HAD AN AUDIENCE WITH PRESIDENT LINCOLN. BUT THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY
PRESIDENT LINCOLN. BUT THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LET A PERSON OF COLOR
BUT THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LET A PERSON OF COLOR SPEAK ABOUT WHAT SHE FELT HAD
TO LET A PERSON OF COLOR SPEAK ABOUT WHAT SHE FELT HAD BEEN HAPPENING.
SPEAK ABOUT WHAT SHE FELT HAD BEEN HAPPENING. AND SO THAT WAS THE SCENE
BEEN HAPPENING. AND SO THAT WAS THE SCENE THAT TONY WROTE AND, YOU KNOW
AND SO THAT WAS THE SCENE THAT TONY WROTE AND, YOU KNOW --
THAT TONY WROTE AND, YOU KNOW -- >> WAS JUST -- I SAID THIS A
-- >> WAS JUST -- I SAID THIS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, THAT WE
>> WAS JUST -- I SAID THIS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, THAT WE REALLY FELT THAT IT WOULD BE
LITTLE BIT EARLIER, THAT WE REALLY FELT THAT IT WOULD BE DISHONEST TO CREATE SOME SORT
REALLY FELT THAT IT WOULD BE DISHONEST TO CREATE SOME SORT OF POLITICALLY PLEASINGS BUT
DISHONEST TO CREATE SOME SORT OF POLITICALLY PLEASINGS BUT HISTORICALLY INACCURATE
OF POLITICALLY PLEASINGS BUT HISTORICALLY INACCURATE RELATIONSHIP THAT, AND THE
HISTORICALLY INACCURATE RELATIONSHIP THAT, AND THE TRUTH OF LINCOLN, AS FAR AS I
RELATIONSHIP THAT, AND THE TRUTH OF LINCOLN, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, IS THAT HE WAS A
TRUTH OF LINCOLN, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, IS THAT HE WAS A GUY WHO, AS AN ADULT, HAD
CAN TELL, IS THAT HE WAS A GUY WHO, AS AN ADULT, HAD LIVED IN ILLINOIS, WHICH HAD
GUY WHO, AS AN ADULT, HAD LIVED IN ILLINOIS, WHICH HAD THE WORST BLACK LAWS IN THE
LIVED IN ILLINOIS, WHICH HAD THE WORST BLACK LAWS IN THE COUNTRY AND HAD VERY, VERY
THE WORST BLACK LAWS IN THE COUNTRY AND HAD VERY, VERY LITTLE ACQUAINTANCE.
COUNTRY AND HAD VERY, VERY LITTLE ACQUAINTANCE. MOSTLY THE IMPRESSION YOU GET
LITTLE ACQUAINTANCE. MOSTLY THE IMPRESSION YOU GET WHEN YOU READ ABOUT HIM
MOSTLY THE IMPRESSION YOU GET WHEN YOU READ ABOUT HIM ENCOUNTERING BLACK PEOPLE
WHEN YOU READ ABOUT HIM ENCOUNTERING BLACK PEOPLE DURING THE WAR IS THAT HE WAS
ENCOUNTERING BLACK PEOPLE DURING THE WAR IS THAT HE WAS AWKWARD AND SOMETIMES HANDLED
DURING THE WAR IS THAT HE WAS AWKWARD AND SOMETIMES HANDLED IT WELL, LIKE WITH FREDERICK
AWKWARD AND SOMETIMES HANDLED IT WELL, LIKE WITH FREDERICK DOUGLAS, AND SOMETIMES
IT WELL, LIKE WITH FREDERICK DOUGLAS, AND SOMETIMES HANDLED IT NOT SO WELL, AND
DOUGLAS, AND SOMETIMES HANDLED IT NOT SO WELL, AND THAT HE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE
HANDLED IT NOT SO WELL, AND THAT HE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CLOSE ACQUAINTANCE WITH
THAT HE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CLOSE ACQUAINTANCE WITH ANY BLACK PEOPLE, SO THAT --
ANY CLOSE ACQUAINTANCE WITH ANY BLACK PEOPLE, SO THAT -- BUT THERE WAS THIS ONE PERSON
ANY BLACK PEOPLE, SO THAT -- BUT THERE WAS THIS ONE PERSON WHO WAS ACTUALLY AN INTIMATE
BUT THERE WAS THIS ONE PERSON WHO WAS ACTUALLY AN INTIMATE OF THE LINCOLN FAMILY IN THE
WHO WAS ACTUALLY AN INTIMATE OF THE LINCOLN FAMILY IN THE WHITE HOUSE AT THE TIME.
OF THE LINCOLN FAMILY IN THE WHITE HOUSE AT THE TIME. SHE WROTE THE FIRST POLITICAL
WHITE HOUSE AT THE TIME. SHE WROTE THE FIRST POLITICAL TELL-ALL MEMOIR AND WAS AN
SHE WROTE THE FIRST POLITICAL TELL-ALL MEMOIR AND WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY WOMAN.
TELL-ALL MEMOIR AND WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY WOMAN. HER LIFE STORY IS
EXTRAORDINARY WOMAN. HER LIFE STORY IS UNBELIEVABLE.
HER LIFE STORY IS UNBELIEVABLE. >> HER LIFE STORY SHOULD BE A
UNBELIEVABLE. >> HER LIFE STORY SHOULD BE A MOVIE TOO.
>> HER LIFE STORY SHOULD BE A MOVIE TOO. LET'S MAKE THAT NEXT.
MOVIE TOO. LET'S MAKE THAT NEXT. >> GLORIA WOULD BE RIGHT
LET'S MAKE THAT NEXT. >> GLORIA WOULD BE RIGHT THERE.
>> GLORIA WOULD BE RIGHT THERE. AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT
THERE. AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT KECKLEY WAS THE ONE PERSON
AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT KECKLEY WAS THE ONE PERSON WHO REALLY AT THAT MOMENT
KECKLEY WAS THE ONE PERSON WHO REALLY AT THAT MOMENT MIGHT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO
WHO REALLY AT THAT MOMENT MIGHT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO LINCOLN IN A WAY THAT FELT
MIGHT HAVE HAD ACCESS TO LINCOLN IN A WAY THAT FELT HONEST AND HISTORICAL.
LINCOLN IN A WAY THAT FELT HONEST AND HISTORICAL. I HAVE IMMENSE RESPECT FOR
HONEST AND HISTORICAL. I HAVE IMMENSE RESPECT FOR FREDERICK DOUGLAS BUT I HAVE
I HAVE IMMENSE RESPECT FOR FREDERICK DOUGLAS BUT I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF SKEPTICISM
FREDERICK DOUGLAS BUT I HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF SKEPTICISM ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE
A GREAT DEAL OF SKEPTICISM ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE TWO MEETINGS THAT DOUGLAS HAD
ABOUT THE EXTENT TO WHICH THE TWO MEETINGS THAT DOUGLAS HAD WITH LINCOLN REALLY IMPACTED
TWO MEETINGS THAT DOUGLAS HAD WITH LINCOLN REALLY IMPACTED SIGNIFICANTLY ON LINCOLN'S
WITH LINCOLN REALLY IMPACTED SIGNIFICANTLY ON LINCOLN'S DECISION MAKING AND DOUGLAS
SIGNIFICANTLY ON LINCOLN'S DECISION MAKING AND DOUGLAS ADMIRED LINCOLN ENORMOUSLY
DECISION MAKING AND DOUGLAS ADMIRED LINCOLN ENORMOUSLY AND LINCOLN CAME TO ADMIRE
ADMIRED LINCOLN ENORMOUSLY AND LINCOLN CAME TO ADMIRE DOUGLAS, BUT AS LATE AS THE
AND LINCOLN CAME TO ADMIRE DOUGLAS, BUT AS LATE AS THE FALL OF 1884, DOUGLAS WAS
DOUGLAS, BUT AS LATE AS THE FALL OF 1884, DOUGLAS WAS ALSO LETTING ALL THE
FALL OF 1884, DOUGLAS WAS ALSO LETTING ALL THE RADICALS, HOPING THEY COULD
ALSO LETTING ALL THE RADICALS, HOPING THEY COULD FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE
RADICALS, HOPING THEY COULD FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE LINCOLN'S PLACE, BECAUSE THEY
FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE LINCOLN'S PLACE, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T TRUST HIM.
LINCOLN'S PLACE, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T TRUST HIM. >> THEY BATTLED QUITE A BIT.
DIDN'T TRUST HIM. >> THEY BATTLED QUITE A BIT. >> EXACTLY.
>> THEY BATTLED QUITE A BIT. >> EXACTLY. >> WELL, IT WAS ONE POINT, I
>> EXACTLY. >> WELL, IT WAS ONE POINT, I BELIEVE, THAT DOUGLAS BEGAN
>> WELL, IT WAS ONE POINT, I BELIEVE, THAT DOUGLAS BEGAN TO UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF
BELIEVE, THAT DOUGLAS BEGAN TO UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION IN TERMS OF
TO UNDERSTAND THE GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION IN TERMS OF WHAT LINCOLN WAS DEALING
THE SITUATION IN TERMS OF WHAT LINCOLN WAS DEALING WITH.
WHAT LINCOLN WAS DEALING WITH. BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING
WITH. BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I READ THAT HE SAID WHEN
BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT I READ THAT HE SAID WHEN QUESTIONED BY OTHER BLACKS,
THAT I READ THAT HE SAID WHEN QUESTIONED BY OTHER BLACKS, DOUGLAS SAID LINCOLN MAY BE
QUESTIONED BY OTHER BLACKS, DOUGLAS SAID LINCOLN MAY BE SLOW BUT HE WILL TAKE NO STEP
DOUGLAS SAID LINCOLN MAY BE SLOW BUT HE WILL TAKE NO STEP BACKWARDS.
SLOW BUT HE WILL TAKE NO STEP BACKWARDS. >> RIGHT, AND THAT MEANT A
BACKWARDS. >> RIGHT, AND THAT MEANT A LOT TO LINCOLN.
>> RIGHT, AND THAT MEANT A LOT TO LINCOLN. BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IN ONE
LOT TO LINCOLN. BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IN ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS, LINCOLN
BECAUSE AT ONE POINT IN ONE OF THEIR MEETINGS, LINCOLN GOT ANGRY WHEN IT SEEMED LIKE
OF THEIR MEETINGS, LINCOLN GOT ANGRY WHEN IT SEEMED LIKE DOUGLAS WAS GOING TO SAY
GOT ANGRY WHEN IT SEEMED LIKE DOUGLAS WAS GOING TO SAY YOU'RE GOING BACKWARD, HE
DOUGLAS WAS GOING TO SAY YOU'RE GOING BACKWARD, HE SAID NO, ONCE I START GOING
YOU'RE GOING BACKWARD, HE SAID NO, ONCE I START GOING FORWARD, I START GOING AND
SAID NO, ONCE I START GOING FORWARD, I START GOING AND DOUGLAS SAID LATER ABOUT HIM,
FORWARD, I START GOING AND DOUGLAS SAID LATER ABOUT HIM, IF YOU MEASURED HIM AGAINST A
DOUGLAS SAID LATER ABOUT HIM, IF YOU MEASURED HIM AGAINST A RADICAL HE WILL COME UP SHORT
IF YOU MEASURED HIM AGAINST A RADICAL HE WILL COME UP SHORT BUT IF YOU MEASURE HIM
RADICAL HE WILL COME UP SHORT BUT IF YOU MEASURE HIM AGAINST THE PRESIDENT OF ALL
BUT IF YOU MEASURE HIM AGAINST THE PRESIDENT OF ALL THE PEOPLE, THEN HE IS
AGAINST THE PRESIDENT OF ALL THE PEOPLE, THEN HE IS FORWARD AND RADICAL, ET
THE PEOPLE, THEN HE IS FORWARD AND RADICAL, ET CETERA, AND THAT WAS AN
FORWARD AND RADICAL, ET CETERA, AND THAT WAS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT IS SO
CETERA, AND THAT WAS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT IS SO IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WHEN WE
UNDERSTANDING THAT IS SO IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK BACK SOMETIMES ON
IMPORTANT, BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK BACK SOMETIMES ON LINCOLN AND IT'S SO HURTFUL,
LOOK BACK SOMETIMES ON LINCOLN AND IT'S SO HURTFUL, SOME OF THE THINGS HE MIGHT
LINCOLN AND IT'S SO HURTFUL, SOME OF THE THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE SAID IN THE 1850S, THAT
SOME OF THE THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE SAID IN THE 1850S, THAT BLACKS DIDN'T DESERVE THE
HAVE SAID IN THE 1850S, THAT BLACKS DIDN'T DESERVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE, THAT THEY
BLACKS DIDN'T DESERVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE, THAT THEY COULDN'T INTER MARRY, YOU
RIGHT TO VOTE, THAT THEY COULDN'T INTER MARRY, YOU BEGIN TO THINK, WELL, WHERE
COULDN'T INTER MARRY, YOU BEGIN TO THINK, WELL, WHERE IS HE COMING FROM.
BEGIN TO THINK, WELL, WHERE IS HE COMING FROM. THAT WAS THE DOMINANT OPINION
IS HE COMING FROM. THAT WAS THE DOMINANT OPINION AT THE TIME, AND HE SHARED
THAT WAS THE DOMINANT OPINION AT THE TIME, AND HE SHARED IT.
AT THE TIME, AND HE SHARED IT. BUT THE FACT THAT HE THEN
IT. BUT THE FACT THAT HE THEN GREW FROM THAT AND RIGHT HERE
BUT THE FACT THAT HE THEN GREW FROM THAT AND RIGHT HERE THE END, SHOWING THAT HE WAS
GREW FROM THAT AND RIGHT HERE THE END, SHOWING THAT HE WAS PUTTING HIMSELF WAY OUT ON A
THE END, SHOWING THAT HE WAS PUTTING HIMSELF WAY OUT ON A LIMB TO ASK FOR VOTING, AND
PUTTING HIMSELF WAY OUT ON A LIMB TO ASK FOR VOTING, AND TO THINK ABOUT THAT, EVEN
LIMB TO ASK FOR VOTING, AND TO THINK ABOUT THAT, EVEN THOUGH HE WAS JUST CONFINING
TO THINK ABOUT THAT, EVEN THOUGH HE WAS JUST CONFINING US TO BLACKS IN THE ARMY AND
THOUGH HE WAS JUST CONFINING US TO BLACKS IN THE ARMY AND INTELLIGENT BLACKS, IT TOOK
US TO BLACKS IN THE ARMY AND INTELLIGENT BLACKS, IT TOOK 100 YEARS BEFORE WE FULLY
INTELLIGENT BLACKS, IT TOOK 100 YEARS BEFORE WE FULLY EXTENDED VOTING TO BLACK
100 YEARS BEFORE WE FULLY EXTENDED VOTING TO BLACK AMERICANS.
EXTENDED VOTING TO BLACK AMERICANS. >> I LOVE THE CLARK SCENE.
AMERICANS. >> I LOVE THE CLARK SCENE. HERE'S WHERE THE GUYS CAN
>> I LOVE THE CLARK SCENE. HERE'S WHERE THE GUYS CAN THINK IN A WAY THAT I
HERE'S WHERE THE GUYS CAN THINK IN A WAY THAT I COULDN'T.
THINK IN A WAY THAT I COULDN'T. I THINK CHRONOLOGICALLY, THE
COULDN'T. I THINK CHRONOLOGICALLY, THE GETTYSBURG IS BACK IN 1863,
I THINK CHRONOLOGICALLY, THE GETTYSBURG IS BACK IN 1863, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET IT IN
GETTYSBURG IS BACK IN 1863, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET IT IN THIS FILM.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET IT IN THIS FILM. THAT WAS INCREDIBLE YOU GET
THIS FILM. THAT WAS INCREDIBLE YOU GET IT IN THE FILM BUT ARA CLARK
THAT WAS INCREDIBLE YOU GET IT IN THE FILM BUT ARA CLARK AND THE MEETING WITH THE
IT IN THE FILM BUT ARA CLARK AND THE MEETING WITH THE SOLDIERS AND THE GUY CAN'T
AND THE MEETING WITH THE SOLDIERS AND THE GUY CAN'T REMEMBERS IT AND CLARK
SOLDIERS AND THE GUY CAN'T REMEMBERS IT AND CLARK REMEMBERS IT.
REMEMBERS IT AND CLARK REMEMBERS IT. >> THAT COMES WITH A FEW
REMEMBERS IT. >> THAT COMES WITH A FEW RIVALS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE
>> THAT COMES WITH A FEW RIVALS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE WONDERFUL THING OF THE TWO
RIVALS BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE WONDERFUL THING OF THE TWO KIDS THAT -- PART OF WHAT
WONDERFUL THING OF THE TWO KIDS THAT -- PART OF WHAT MAKES YOUR WAY OF TREATING
KIDS THAT -- PART OF WHAT MAKES YOUR WAY OF TREATING HISTORY SO --
MAKES YOUR WAY OF TREATING HISTORY SO -- >> OH COOL, YOU NEVER TOLD ME
HISTORY SO -- >> OH COOL, YOU NEVER TOLD ME THAT.
>> OH COOL, YOU NEVER TOLD ME THAT. I GUESS I NEVER KNEW.
THAT. I GUESS I NEVER KNEW. >> THEY MENTIONED THESE TWO
I GUESS I NEVER KNEW. >> THEY MENTIONED THESE TWO BOYS WHO CLIMBED UNDER THE
>> THEY MENTIONED THESE TWO BOYS WHO CLIMBED UNDER THE PLATFORM, THE SPEAKER'S
BOYS WHO CLIMBED UNDER THE PLATFORM, THE SPEAKER'S PLATFORM AT GETTYSBURG, AND
PLATFORM, THE SPEAKER'S PLATFORM AT GETTYSBURG, AND SO IN ONE OF THE EARLIEST
PLATFORM AT GETTYSBURG, AND SO IN ONE OF THE EARLIEST DRAFTS, I WROTE A SCENE,
SO IN ONE OF THE EARLIEST DRAFTS, I WROTE A SCENE, BECAUSE ORIGINALLY I WAS
DRAFTS, I WROTE A SCENE, BECAUSE ORIGINALLY I WAS GOING TO TRY TO START IN THE
BECAUSE ORIGINALLY I WAS GOING TO TRY TO START IN THE MID 1863, BUT I DIDN'T WANT
GOING TO TRY TO START IN THE MID 1863, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE LINCOLN STANDING UP
MID 1863, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE LINCOLN STANDING UP AND DOING THE ADDRESS, SO I
TO HAVE LINCOLN STANDING UP AND DOING THE ADDRESS, SO I DID THE WHOLE THING WITH
AND DOING THE ADDRESS, SO I DID THE WHOLE THING WITH THESE KIDS UNDER THE
DID THE WHOLE THING WITH THESE KIDS UNDER THE PLATFORM, LOOKING AT THESE
THESE KIDS UNDER THE PLATFORM, LOOKING AT THESE SIZE 16 SHOES, AND SORT OF
PLATFORM, LOOKING AT THESE SIZE 16 SHOES, AND SORT OF HEARING WHAT HE WAS SAYING,
SIZE 16 SHOES, AND SORT OF HEARING WHAT HE WAS SAYING, AND THEN THEY SHOWED UP MUCH
HEARING WHAT HE WAS SAYING, AND THEN THEY SHOWED UP MUCH LATER.
AND THEN THEY SHOWED UP MUCH LATER. THAT'S WHERE THE KIDS CAME
LATER. THAT'S WHERE THE KIDS CAME FROM.
THAT'S WHERE THE KIDS CAME FROM. >> HERE'S ONE OF THE
FROM. >> HERE'S ONE OF THE INTERESTING QUESTIONS.
>> HERE'S ONE OF THE INTERESTING QUESTIONS. CAN YOU SPECULATE FROM YOUR
INTERESTING QUESTIONS. CAN YOU SPECULATE FROM YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF LINCOLN, HOW
CAN YOU SPECULATE FROM YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF LINCOLN, HOW WOULD RECONSTRUCTION HAVE
KNOWLEDGE OF LINCOLN, HOW WOULD RECONSTRUCTION HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT HAD LINCOLN
WOULD RECONSTRUCTION HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT HAD LINCOLN LIVED, KNOWING THAT THADDEUS
BEEN DIFFERENT HAD LINCOLN LIVED, KNOWING THAT THADDEUS WAS SUCH A RADICAL AND
LIVED, KNOWING THAT THADDEUS WAS SUCH A RADICAL AND RECONSTRUCTIONIST.
WAS SUCH A RADICAL AND RECONSTRUCTIONIST. >> LINCOLN KNEW THAT THE
RECONSTRUCTIONIST. >> LINCOLN KNEW THAT THE PROCESS OF RECONSTRUCTION
>> LINCOLN KNEW THAT THE PROCESS OF RECONSTRUCTION WOULD BE THE MOST DIFFICULT
PROCESS OF RECONSTRUCTION WOULD BE THE MOST DIFFICULT ACT OF STATESMANSHIP THAT HE
WOULD BE THE MOST DIFFICULT ACT OF STATESMANSHIP THAT HE HAD EVER FACED, FAR MORE
ACT OF STATESMANSHIP THAT HE HAD EVER FACED, FAR MORE DIFFICULT THAN SAVING THE
HAD EVER FACED, FAR MORE DIFFICULT THAN SAVING THE UNION AND EVEN THE 13TH
DIFFICULT THAN SAVING THE UNION AND EVEN THE 13TH AMENDMENT.
UNION AND EVEN THE 13TH AMENDMENT. BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT
AMENDMENT. BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT DIFFERENT FACTIONS WERE GOING
BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT DIFFERENT FACTIONS WERE GOING TO BE ARCING, AS WAS EVEN
DIFFERENT FACTIONS WERE GOING TO BE ARCING, AS WAS EVEN SEEN IN THE MOVIE, SOME
TO BE ARCING, AS WAS EVEN SEEN IN THE MOVIE, SOME WANTING TO REALLY UNDO THE
SEEN IN THE MOVIE, SOME WANTING TO REALLY UNDO THE SOUTH, OTHERS WANTING TO BE
WANTING TO REALLY UNDO THE SOUTH, OTHERS WANTING TO BE MORE LENIENT.
SOUTH, OTHERS WANTING TO BE MORE LENIENT. BUT I CAN ONLY SAY FROM MY
MORE LENIENT. BUT I CAN ONLY SAY FROM MY OWN FEELING, AND IT'S THE
BUT I CAN ONLY SAY FROM MY OWN FEELING, AND IT'S THE HISTORICAL QUESTION THAT
OWN FEELING, AND IT'S THE HISTORICAL QUESTION THAT EVERYBODY ASKS WHAT WOULD
HISTORICAL QUESTION THAT EVERYBODY ASKS WHAT WOULD LINCOLN HAVE DONE DIFFERENT,
EVERYBODY ASKS WHAT WOULD LINCOLN HAVE DONE DIFFERENT, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT
LINCOLN HAVE DONE DIFFERENT, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT GIVEN THE HUMANE PERSON HE
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT GIVEN THE HUMANE PERSON HE WAS, GIVEN THE SECOND
GIVEN THE HUMANE PERSON HE WAS, GIVEN THE SECOND INAUGURAL WHERE ON THE EVE OF
WAS, GIVEN THE SECOND INAUGURAL WHERE ON THE EVE OF WINNING THE WAR HE DOESN'T
INAUGURAL WHERE ON THE EVE OF WINNING THE WAR HE DOESN'T TALK ABOUT ANY CONQUERING
WINNING THE WAR HE DOESN'T TALK ABOUT ANY CONQUERING HERO, INSTEAD, SLAVERY WAS
TALK ABOUT ANY CONQUERING HERO, INSTEAD, SLAVERY WAS SHARED BY BOTH SIDES, BOTH
HERO, INSTEAD, SLAVERY WAS SHARED BY BOTH SIDES, BOTH SIDES READ THE SAME BIBLE,
SHARED BY BOTH SIDES, BOTH SIDES READ THE SAME BIBLE, PRAYED TO THE SAME GOD, AND
SIDES READ THE SAME BIBLE, PRAYED TO THE SAME GOD, AND THE SOUTH LOST THE BEST
PRAYED TO THE SAME GOD, AND THE SOUTH LOST THE BEST FRIEND THEY WOULD COUNTER --
THE SOUTH LOST THE BEST FRIEND THEY WOULD COUNTER -- COULD HAVE EVER HAD.
FRIEND THEY WOULD COUNTER -- COULD HAVE EVER HAD. IF RECONSTRUCTION COULD HAVE
COULD HAVE EVER HAD. IF RECONSTRUCTION COULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT, I DON'T THINK
IF RECONSTRUCTION COULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT, I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD HAVE LASTED, THE
BEEN DIFFERENT, I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD HAVE LASTED, THE ENMITY, AND THAT'S THE
THIS WOULD HAVE LASTED, THE ENMITY, AND THAT'S THE TERRIBLE SADNESS OF LINCOLN.
ENMITY, AND THAT'S THE TERRIBLE SADNESS OF LINCOLN. THE FUNNIER NOTE, PEOPLE
TERRIBLE SADNESS OF LINCOLN. THE FUNNIER NOTE, PEOPLE ASKED ME THAT QUESTION, IF
THE FUNNIER NOTE, PEOPLE ASKED ME THAT QUESTION, IF YOU COULD BE WITH LINCOLN,
ASKED ME THAT QUESTION, IF YOU COULD BE WITH LINCOLN, WHAT WOULD YOU ASK HIM AND I
YOU COULD BE WITH LINCOLN, WHAT WOULD YOU ASK HIM AND I KNOW I'M SUPPOSED TO ASK HIM
WHAT WOULD YOU ASK HIM AND I KNOW I'M SUPPOSED TO ASK HIM WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT
KNOW I'M SUPPOSED TO ASK HIM WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT RECONSTRUCTION BUT I WOULD
WHAT WOULD YOU DO ABOUT RECONSTRUCTION BUT I WOULD HAVE SAID LINCOLN, TELL ME
RECONSTRUCTION BUT I WOULD HAVE SAID LINCOLN, TELL ME ONE OF YOUR FUNNY STORIES.
HAVE SAID LINCOLN, TELL ME ONE OF YOUR FUNNY STORIES. THEN I'D REALLY COME ALIVE.
ONE OF YOUR FUNNY STORIES. THEN I'D REALLY COME ALIVE. >> IF YOU HAD TO PICK ONE
THEN I'D REALLY COME ALIVE. >> IF YOU HAD TO PICK ONE SINGLE FRAME FROM THE FILM,
>> IF YOU HAD TO PICK ONE SINGLE FRAME FROM THE FILM, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR FAVORITE
SINGLE FRAME FROM THE FILM, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR FAVORITE IMAGE?
WHAT WOULD BE YOUR FAVORITE IMAGE? >> OH, THAT'S A HARD QUESTION
IMAGE? >> OH, THAT'S A HARD QUESTION THIS IS A FILM LESS ABOUT
>> OH, THAT'S A HARD QUESTION THIS IS A FILM LESS ABOUT IMAGES, MORE ABOUT IDEAS,
THIS IS A FILM LESS ABOUT IMAGES, MORE ABOUT IDEAS, LANGUAGES, CHARACTER RI
IMAGES, MORE ABOUT IDEAS, LANGUAGES, CHARACTER RI SITUATIONS --
LANGUAGES, CHARACTER RI SITUATIONS -- CHARACTERIZATIONS.
SITUATIONS -- CHARACTERIZATIONS. I PERSONALLY DID NOT PUT MY
CHARACTERIZATIONS. I PERSONALLY DID NOT PUT MY CAMERA OUT IN FRONT OF THE
I PERSONALLY DID NOT PUT MY CAMERA OUT IN FRONT OF THE STORY.
CAMERA OUT IN FRONT OF THE STORY. I USUALLY DO THAT.
STORY. I USUALLY DO THAT. I KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.
I USUALLY DO THAT. I KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. I KNOW HOW TO MAKE MY
I KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. I KNOW HOW TO MAKE MY CONTRIBUTION AS A CINEAST, OR
I KNOW HOW TO MAKE MY CONTRIBUTION AS A CINEAST, OR A FRENCH WORD FOR FILM
CONTRIBUTION AS A CINEAST, OR A FRENCH WORD FOR FILM ENTHUSIAST -- IT DOESN'T MEAN
A FRENCH WORD FOR FILM ENTHUSIAST -- IT DOESN'T MEAN WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK IT
ENTHUSIAST -- IT DOESN'T MEAN WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK IT MEANS!
WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK IT MEANS! >> THANK YOU FOR CLEARING
MEANS! >> THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP.
>> THANK YOU FOR CLEARING THAT UP. >> THOSE FRENCH, YOU KNOW,
THAT UP. >> THOSE FRENCH, YOU KNOW, THOSE FRENCH GET ME IN
>> THOSE FRENCH, YOU KNOW, THOSE FRENCH GET ME IN TROUBLE ALL THE TIME.
THOSE FRENCH GET ME IN TROUBLE ALL THE TIME. >> ARE WE BACK TO ERIC ST
TROUBLE ALL THE TIME. >> ARE WE BACK TO ERIC ST STROEHEIM?
>> ARE WE BACK TO ERIC ST STROEHEIM? >> BECAUSE I DON'T -- THE
STROEHEIM? >> BECAUSE I DON'T -- THE IMAGE THAT I THINK I REMEMBER
>> BECAUSE I DON'T -- THE IMAGE THAT I THINK I REMEMBER THE MOST IS THE IMAGE OF
IMAGE THAT I THINK I REMEMBER THE MOST IS THE IMAGE OF LINCOLN TAKING HIS SPEECH OUT
THE MOST IS THE IMAGE OF LINCOLN TAKING HIS SPEECH OUT OF HIS HAT.
LINCOLN TAKING HIS SPEECH OUT OF HIS HAT. BECAUSE THAT HAT WAS LIKE A
OF HIS HAT. BECAUSE THAT HAT WAS LIKE A SUITCASE.
BECAUSE THAT HAT WAS LIKE A SUITCASE. THERE WERE MORE THINGS IN
SUITCASE. THERE WERE MORE THINGS IN THAT HAT THAN THIS FILM DARED
THERE WERE MORE THINGS IN THAT HAT THAN THIS FILM DARED TO SHOW, BUT THAT HAT WAS HIS
THAT HAT THAN THIS FILM DARED TO SHOW, BUT THAT HAT WAS HIS BRIEFCASE, AND I THINK THE
TO SHOW, BUT THAT HAT WAS HIS BRIEFCASE, AND I THINK THE IDEA THAT THINGS KEPT COMING
BRIEFCASE, AND I THINK THE IDEA THAT THINGS KEPT COMING OUT OF THE HAT --
IDEA THAT THINGS KEPT COMING OUT OF THE HAT -- >> MY FAVORITE --
OUT OF THE HAT -- >> MY FAVORITE -- >> I LIKE THAT IMAGE.
>> MY FAVORITE -- >> I LIKE THAT IMAGE. >> MY FAVORITE SCENE IS THE
>> I LIKE THAT IMAGE. >> MY FAVORITE SCENE IS THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE WHEN HE HAS
>> MY FAVORITE SCENE IS THE TELEGRAPH OFFICE WHEN HE HAS TO MAKE THAT REALLY TOUGH
TELEGRAPH OFFICE WHEN HE HAS TO MAKE THAT REALLY TOUGH DECISION TO SEND A DIFFERENT
TO MAKE THAT REALLY TOUGH DECISION TO SEND A DIFFERENT NOTE TO GENERAL GRANT, AFTER
DECISION TO SEND A DIFFERENT NOTE TO GENERAL GRANT, AFTER THE CONVERSATION THAT HE HAS,
NOTE TO GENERAL GRANT, AFTER THE CONVERSATION THAT HE HAS, WHICH IS WHERE YOU MAY HAVE
THE CONVERSATION THAT HE HAS, WHICH IS WHERE YOU MAY HAVE STARTED, AS YOU WERE SAYING
WHICH IS WHERE YOU MAY HAVE STARTED, AS YOU WERE SAYING TO THE STUDENTS, AND THEN HE
STARTED, AS YOU WERE SAYING TO THE STUDENTS, AND THEN HE LEAVES AND YOU FEEL THE
TO THE STUDENTS, AND THEN HE LEAVES AND YOU FEEL THE WEIGHT OF THE DECISION ON
LEAVES AND YOU FEEL THE WEIGHT OF THE DECISION ON HIM, BUT HE REACHES OVER AND
WEIGHT OF THE DECISION ON HIM, BUT HE REACHES OVER AND HE TOUCHES THE SHOULDERS OF
HIM, BUT HE REACHES OVER AND HE TOUCHES THE SHOULDERS OF THOSE TWO BOYS.
HE TOUCHES THE SHOULDERS OF THOSE TWO BOYS. FOR SOME REASON, THAT GOT ME,
THOSE TWO BOYS. FOR SOME REASON, THAT GOT ME, THAT SCENE.
FOR SOME REASON, THAT GOT ME, THAT SCENE. >> TONY?
THAT SCENE. >> TONY? >> I THINK THAT THE MOMENT
>> TONY? >> I THINK THAT THE MOMENT THEY LOVED THE MOST, AS
>> I THINK THAT THE MOMENT THEY LOVED THE MOST, AS STEVEN SAID EARLIER, THE
THEY LOVED THE MOST, AS STEVEN SAID EARLIER, THE PAUSES ARE MORE IMPORTANT IN
STEVEN SAID EARLIER, THE PAUSES ARE MORE IMPORTANT IN SOME WAYS THAN THE TALKING
PAUSES ARE MORE IMPORTANT IN SOME WAYS THAN THE TALKING MOMENTS.
SOME WAYS THAN THE TALKING MOMENTS. FOR ME, THERE'S A MOMENT WHEN
MOMENTS. FOR ME, THERE'S A MOMENT WHEN -- AFTER RIDING ACROSS NO
FOR ME, THERE'S A MOMENT WHEN -- AFTER RIDING ACROSS NO MAN'S LAND, AT PETERSBURG.
-- AFTER RIDING ACROSS NO MAN'S LAND, AT PETERSBURG. AND HE WAS SITTING ON THE
MAN'S LAND, AT PETERSBURG. AND HE WAS SITTING ON THE PORCH WITH GRANT, AND NO --
AND HE WAS SITTING ON THE PORCH WITH GRANT, AND NO -- AND THERE'S THIS MOMENT WHEN
PORCH WITH GRANT, AND NO -- AND THERE'S THIS MOMENT WHEN HE'S IN THE ROCKING CHAIR AND
AND THERE'S THIS MOMENT WHEN HE'S IN THE ROCKING CHAIR AND I THINK HIS EYES ARE CLOSED,
HE'S IN THE ROCKING CHAIR AND I THINK HIS EYES ARE CLOSED, AND THE SHADOWS OF THE MEN
I THINK HIS EYES ARE CLOSED, AND THE SHADOWS OF THE MEN WHO ARE MARCHING BEFORE THE
AND THE SHADOWS OF THE MEN WHO ARE MARCHING BEFORE THE HOUSE, THE IMAGES OF THE
WHO ARE MARCHING BEFORE THE HOUSE, THE IMAGES OF THE FACES PASS, AND THAT JUST
HOUSE, THE IMAGES OF THE FACES PASS, AND THAT JUST KILLS ME AND HE LOOKS 100
FACES PASS, AND THAT JUST KILLS ME AND HE LOOKS 100 YEARS OLD AND SOMEHOW THE
KILLS ME AND HE LOOKS 100 YEARS OLD AND SOMEHOW THE WHOLE WAR IS MOVING THROUGH
YEARS OLD AND SOMEHOW THE WHOLE WAR IS MOVING THROUGH HIS HEAD AT THAT MOMENT, AND
WHOLE WAR IS MOVING THROUGH HIS HEAD AT THAT MOMENT, AND IT'S JUST -- I FIND IT
HIS HEAD AT THAT MOMENT, AND IT'S JUST -- I FIND IT TREMENDOUSLY POWERFUL.
IT'S JUST -- I FIND IT TREMENDOUSLY POWERFUL. >> KWROERBGS AND THEN THE
TREMENDOUSLY POWERFUL. >> KWROERBGS AND THEN THE SCENE WHEN --
>> KWROERBGS AND THEN THE SCENE WHEN -- >> KWROERBGS AND THEN THE
SCENE WHEN -- >> KWROERBGS AND THEN THE SCENE WHEN THEY SAY THIS IS
>> KWROERBGS AND THEN THE SCENE WHEN THEY SAY THIS IS THE PEOPLES' HOUSE, THEN THEY
SCENE WHEN THEY SAY THIS IS THE PEOPLES' HOUSE, THEN THEY SHOW THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS
THE PEOPLES' HOUSE, THEN THEY SHOW THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS COMING IN TO THE BALCONY.
SHOW THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS COMING IN TO THE BALCONY. MY GOD.
COMING IN TO THE BALCONY. MY GOD. >> I TRIED VERY HARD TO GET
MY GOD. >> I TRIED VERY HARD TO GET THIS.
>> I TRIED VERY HARD TO GET THIS. THIS WAS A VERY CONSCIOUS
THIS. THIS WAS A VERY CONSCIOUS ATTEMPT.
THIS WAS A VERY CONSCIOUS ATTEMPT. THERE WAS A MOMENT, ON THE
ATTEMPT. THERE WAS A MOMENT, ON THE RIDE TO THE BATTLEFIELD,
THERE WAS A MOMENT, ON THE RIDE TO THE BATTLEFIELD, WHERE LINCOLN IS IN A TRENCH
RIDE TO THE BATTLEFIELD, WHERE LINCOLN IS IN A TRENCH AND JUST BEFORE LINCOLN, THE
WHERE LINCOLN IS IN A TRENCH AND JUST BEFORE LINCOLN, THE CONFEDERATE FLAG PASSES IN
AND JUST BEFORE LINCOLN, THE CONFEDERATE FLAG PASSES IN FRONT OF THE AMERICAN FLAG,
CONFEDERATE FLAG PASSES IN FRONT OF THE AMERICAN FLAG, AND IT'S THAT ONE MOMENT
FRONT OF THE AMERICAN FLAG, AND IT'S THAT ONE MOMENT WHERE THE TWO FLAGS ACTUALLY
AND IT'S THAT ONE MOMENT WHERE THE TWO FLAGS ACTUALLY MEET AND CROSS EACH OTHER.
WHERE THE TWO FLAGS ACTUALLY MEET AND CROSS EACH OTHER. >> YES.
MEET AND CROSS EACH OTHER. >> YES. FOR ME, IT'S THE PASSAGE OF
>> YES. FOR ME, IT'S THE PASSAGE OF THE 13TH AMENDMENT.
FOR ME, IT'S THE PASSAGE OF THE 13TH AMENDMENT. >> [LAUGHTER]
THE 13TH AMENDMENT. >> [LAUGHTER] >> IT WAS REPORTED THAT THE
>> [LAUGHTER] >> IT WAS REPORTED THAT THE RELEASE OF THE MOVIE WAS
>> IT WAS REPORTED THAT THE RELEASE OF THE MOVIE WAS INTENTIONALLY DELAYED UNTIL
RELEASE OF THE MOVIE WAS INTENTIONALLY DELAYED UNTIL AFTER THE PRESIDENTIAL
INTENTIONALLY DELAYED UNTIL AFTER THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
AFTER THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. PLEASE SPEAK TO THAT.
ELECTION. PLEASE SPEAK TO THAT. >> WELL, I HAD A LOT OF
PLEASE SPEAK TO THAT. >> WELL, I HAD A LOT OF RESISTANCE AND PUSHBACK ON
>> WELL, I HAD A LOT OF RESISTANCE AND PUSHBACK ON THAT.
RESISTANCE AND PUSHBACK ON THAT. THE STUDIO WANTED THE FILM TO
THAT. THE STUDIO WANTED THE FILM TO COME OUT IN OCTOBER, RIGHT IN
THE STUDIO WANTED THE FILM TO COME OUT IN OCTOBER, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ELECTION
COME OUT IN OCTOBER, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ELECTION CYCLE, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF
THE MIDDLE OF THE ELECTION CYCLE, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW,
CYCLE, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, THE PUNDITS, THE POLLS, OH,
THE BACK AND FORTH, YOU KNOW, THE PUNDITS, THE POLLS, OH, THOSE INFURIATING POLLS, MY
THE PUNDITS, THE POLLS, OH, THOSE INFURIATING POLLS, MY GOD, BUT THEY WERE RIGHT.
THOSE INFURIATING POLLS, MY GOD, BUT THEY WERE RIGHT. THERE WAS JUST SO MUCH NOISE
GOD, BUT THEY WERE RIGHT. THERE WAS JUST SO MUCH NOISE THAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST
THERE WAS JUST SO MUCH NOISE THAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST BE A BADMINTON GOING BACK AND
THAT I THOUGHT WE WOULD JUST BE A BADMINTON GOING BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE NET.
BE A BADMINTON GOING BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE NET. THERE WAS SO MUCH NOISY
FORTH ACROSS THE NET. THERE WAS SO MUCH NOISY DIDN'T FEEL THERE WAS ROOM
THERE WAS SO MUCH NOISY DIDN'T FEEL THERE WAS ROOM FOR LINCOLN TO FIND HIS VOICE
DIDN'T FEEL THERE WAS ROOM FOR LINCOLN TO FIND HIS VOICE IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WAS ONE
FOR LINCOLN TO FIND HIS VOICE IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST CONTENTIOUS
IN THE MIDDLE OF WHAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST CONTENTIOUS ELECTIONS I HAVE EVER
OF THE MOST CONTENTIOUS ELECTIONS I HAVE EVER EXPERIENCED IN MY EXISTENCE
ELECTIONS I HAVE EVER EXPERIENCED IN MY EXISTENCE FOLLOWING ELECTIONS.
EXPERIENCED IN MY EXISTENCE FOLLOWING ELECTIONS. SO I REALLY INSISTED, AT ONE
FOLLOWING ELECTIONS. SO I REALLY INSISTED, AT ONE POINT, I JUST INSISTED THAT
SO I REALLY INSISTED, AT ONE POINT, I JUST INSISTED THAT WE'LL COME OUT THERE'S A
POINT, I JUST INSISTED THAT WE'LL COME OUT THERE'S A SECOND THERE'S A DECISION AND
WE'LL COME OUT THERE'S A SECOND THERE'S A DECISION AND WE'LL COME OUT THREE DAYS
SECOND THERE'S A DECISION AND WE'LL COME OUT THREE DAYS LATER, AS EARLY AS THAT.
WE'LL COME OUT THREE DAYS LATER, AS EARLY AS THAT. WELL, BY GUM, THEY RELEASED
LATER, AS EARLY AS THAT. WELL, BY GUM, THEY RELEASED THE FILM THREE DAYS AFTER THE
WELL, BY GUM, THEY RELEASED THE FILM THREE DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION.
THE FILM THREE DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION. >> THAT'S HOW ANXIOUS THEY
ELECTION. >> THAT'S HOW ANXIOUS THEY WERE TO GET IT OUT.
>> THAT'S HOW ANXIOUS THEY WERE TO GET IT OUT. BUT I JUST FELT WE WOULD NOT
WERE TO GET IT OUT. BUT I JUST FELT WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE TIME TO EITHER
BUT I JUST FELT WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE TIME TO EITHER BE ACCEPTED OR THOUGHT ABOUT
HAVE HAD THE TIME TO EITHER BE ACCEPTED OR THOUGHT ABOUT AND DISCUSSED WITH ALL THE
BE ACCEPTED OR THOUGHT ABOUT AND DISCUSSED WITH ALL THE OTHER MORE IMPORTANT
AND DISCUSSED WITH ALL THE OTHER MORE IMPORTANT OVERRIDING MACHINERY OF
OTHER MORE IMPORTANT OVERRIDING MACHINERY OF POLITICS.
OVERRIDING MACHINERY OF POLITICS. >> OKAY.
POLITICS. >> OKAY. THIS NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE A
>> OKAY. THIS NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE A SPOIL ALERT FOR ANYONE WHO
THIS NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE A SPOIL ALERT FOR ANYONE WHO HASN'T SEEN THE MOVIE.
SPOIL ALERT FOR ANYONE WHO HASN'T SEEN THE MOVIE. IT SAYS TO THE HISTORICAL
HASN'T SEEN THE MOVIE. IT SAYS TO THE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE, IS THERE HISTORICAL
IT SAYS TO THE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE, IS THERE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE THAT THADDEUS
EVIDENCE, IS THERE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE THAT THADDEUS STEVENS HAD A BLACK MISTRESS,
EVIDENCE THAT THADDEUS STEVENS HAD A BLACK MISTRESS, IF NOT, WHAT WAS THE DECISION
STEVENS HAD A BLACK MISTRESS, IF NOT, WHAT WAS THE DECISION THAT MADE THAT POSSIBLE?
IF NOT, WHAT WAS THE DECISION THAT MADE THAT POSSIBLE? >> THE BLACK MISTRESS?
THAT MADE THAT POSSIBLE? >> THE BLACK MISTRESS? >> I WOULDN'T CALL HER HIS
>> THE BLACK MISTRESS? >> I WOULDN'T CALL HER HIS MISTRESS.
>> I WOULDN'T CALL HER HIS MISTRESS. SHE WAS HIS WIFE, BASICALLY.
MISTRESS. SHE WAS HIS WIFE, BASICALLY. >> COMMON LAW WIFE.
SHE WAS HIS WIFE, BASICALLY. >> COMMON LAW WIFE. >> IT WAS HIS HOUSEKEEPER FOR
>> COMMON LAW WIFE. >> IT WAS HIS HOUSEKEEPER FOR 37 YEARS, HE WASN'T MARRIED.
>> IT WAS HIS HOUSEKEEPER FOR 37 YEARS, HE WASN'T MARRIED. THE ONLY DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE
37 YEARS, HE WASN'T MARRIED. THE ONLY DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE IS THE SERIES OF LETTERS THAT
THE ONLY DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE IS THE SERIES OF LETTERS THAT HE WROTE TO HER KIDS.
IS THE SERIES OF LETTERS THAT HE WROTE TO HER KIDS. SHE HAD BEEN MARRIED BEFORE,
HE WROTE TO HER KIDS. SHE HAD BEEN MARRIED BEFORE, AND SHE HAD SEVERAL CHILDREN
SHE HAD BEEN MARRIED BEFORE, AND SHE HAD SEVERAL CHILDREN WHO WERE ADULT CHILDREN AT
AND SHE HAD SEVERAL CHILDREN WHO WERE ADULT CHILDREN AT THE TIME THAT STEVENS WAS
WHO WERE ADULT CHILDREN AT THE TIME THAT STEVENS WAS WRITING TO THEM.
THE TIME THAT STEVENS WAS WRITING TO THEM. THERE WAS ONE SON IN
WRITING TO THEM. THERE WAS ONE SON IN PARTICULAR WHO WAS GIVING HIS
THERE WAS ONE SON IN PARTICULAR WHO WAS GIVING HIS MOTHER A HARD TIME, AND
PARTICULAR WHO WAS GIVING HIS MOTHER A HARD TIME, AND STEVENS WRITES FAIRLY STERN
MOTHER A HARD TIME, AND STEVENS WRITES FAIRLY STERN STERNLY, AND YOU GET A
STEVENS WRITES FAIRLY STERN STERNLY, AND YOU GET A FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, CLEAR SENSE
STERNLY, AND YOU GET A FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, CLEAR SENSE THAT HE IS ACCEPTED AS THE
FAIRLY, YOU KNOW, CLEAR SENSE THAT HE IS ACCEPTED AS THE FATHER IN THIS FAMILY
THAT HE IS ACCEPTED AS THE FATHER IN THIS FAMILY STRUCTURE.
FATHER IN THIS FAMILY STRUCTURE. IT WAS RUMORED BY MANY, MANY
STRUCTURE. IT WAS RUMORED BY MANY, MANY PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON AT THE
IT WAS RUMORED BY MANY, MANY PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON AT THE TIME, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T
PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON AT THE TIME, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT WE INTENDED TO SAY
TIME, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT WE INTENDED TO SAY THAT HIS INCREDIBLY ADVANCED
THINK THAT WE INTENDED TO SAY THAT HIS INCREDIBLY ADVANCED FOR THE TIME RACIAL POLITICS
THAT HIS INCREDIBLY ADVANCED FOR THE TIME RACIAL POLITICS WERE REDUCIBLE TO THE FACT
FOR THE TIME RACIAL POLITICS WERE REDUCIBLE TO THE FACT THAT HE LOVED A BLACK WOMAN,
WERE REDUCIBLE TO THE FACT THAT HE LOVED A BLACK WOMAN, BUT IT SEEMED TO ME VERY
THAT HE LOVED A BLACK WOMAN, BUT IT SEEMED TO ME VERY IMPORTANT WHEN I FOUND THAT
BUT IT SEEMED TO ME VERY IMPORTANT WHEN I FOUND THAT ONE OF THE BIOGRAPHIES ABOUT
IMPORTANT WHEN I FOUND THAT ONE OF THE BIOGRAPHIES ABOUT STEVENS, THAT WHEN HE DIED,
ONE OF THE BIOGRAPHIES ABOUT STEVENS, THAT WHEN HE DIED, HE WAS BURIED IN A CEMETARY
STEVENS, THAT WHEN HE DIED, HE WAS BURIED IN A CEMETARY IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND HIS TOMB
HE WAS BURIED IN A CEMETARY IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND HIS TOMB STONE SAYS I'M BURIED IN THIS
IN PENNSYLVANIA, AND HIS TOMB STONE SAYS I'M BURIED IN THIS GRAVEYARD NOT BECAUSE I THINK
STONE SAYS I'M BURIED IN THIS GRAVEYARD NOT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A PARTICULARLY NICE
GRAVEYARD NOT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A PARTICULARLY NICE GRAVEYARD BUT IT'S THE ONLY
IT'S A PARTICULARLY NICE GRAVEYARD BUT IT'S THE ONLY GRAVEYARD IN THE STATE OF
GRAVEYARD BUT IT'S THE ONLY GRAVEYARD IN THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA WHERE BLACK
GRAVEYARD IN THE STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA WHERE BLACK PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE CAN
PENNSYLVANIA WHERE BLACK PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE CAN BE BURIED SIDE BY SIDE.
PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE CAN BE BURIED SIDE BY SIDE. SO THERE IS A VERY DEEP
BE BURIED SIDE BY SIDE. SO THERE IS A VERY DEEP CONNECTION.
SO THERE IS A VERY DEEP CONNECTION. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN
CONNECTION. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT --
AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT -- >> W.B. DEBOISE WROTE OF
IMPORTANT -- >> W.B. DEBOISE WROTE OF THADDEUS STEVENS, WROTE A
>> W.B. DEBOISE WROTE OF THADDEUS STEVENS, WROTE A CHAPTER OF IT OF THE LARGEST
THADDEUS STEVENS, WROTE A CHAPTER OF IT OF THE LARGEST FUNERAL ATTENDED BY BLACKS OF
CHAPTER OF IT OF THE LARGEST FUNERAL ATTENDED BY BLACKS OF ANY TIME, UNTIL THE PASSING
FUNERAL ATTENDED BY BLACKS OF ANY TIME, UNTIL THE PASSING OF DR. KING.
ANY TIME, UNTIL THE PASSING OF DR. KING. >> WHEN LINCOLN'S TRAIN WAS
OF DR. KING. >> WHEN LINCOLN'S TRAIN WAS GOING THROUGH PENNSYLVANIA,
>> WHEN LINCOLN'S TRAIN WAS GOING THROUGH PENNSYLVANIA, THE FUNERAL TRAIN ON THE WAY
GOING THROUGH PENNSYLVANIA, THE FUNERAL TRAIN ON THE WAY TO SPRINGFIELD FOR THE FINAL
THE FUNERAL TRAIN ON THE WAY TO SPRINGFIELD FOR THE FINAL RESTING PLACE, FOR LINCOLN'S
TO SPRINGFIELD FOR THE FINAL RESTING PLACE, FOR LINCOLN'S BODY, STEVENS WASN'T HOME IN
RESTING PLACE, FOR LINCOLN'S BODY, STEVENS WASN'T HOME IN THE TOWN OF PENNSYLVANIA, AND
BODY, STEVENS WASN'T HOME IN THE TOWN OF PENNSYLVANIA, AND HE WAS 70 YEARS OLD I THINK
THE TOWN OF PENNSYLVANIA, AND HE WAS 70 YEARS OLD I THINK AT THAT POINT AND HE WAS
HE WAS 70 YEARS OLD I THINK AT THAT POINT AND HE WAS QUITE ILL, HE HAD GOTTEN A
AT THAT POINT AND HE WAS QUITE ILL, HE HAD GOTTEN A BAD FLU, AND IT WAS A
QUITE ILL, HE HAD GOTTEN A BAD FLU, AND IT WAS A TERRIBLY COLD, RAINY DAY IN
BAD FLU, AND IT WAS A TERRIBLY COLD, RAINY DAY IN APRIL, AND HE GOT OUT OF HIS
TERRIBLY COLD, RAINY DAY IN APRIL, AND HE GOT OUT OF HIS SICK BED AND WALKED TO THE
APRIL, AND HE GOT OUT OF HIS SICK BED AND WALKED TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS, AND STOOD IN
SICK BED AND WALKED TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS, AND STOOD IN THE FREEZING RAIN FOR LIKE
RAILROAD TRACKS, AND STOOD IN THE FREEZING RAIN FOR LIKE TWO OR THREE HOURS UNTIL THE
THE FREEZING RAIN FOR LIKE TWO OR THREE HOURS UNTIL THE TRAIN CAME BUT AND TOOK HIS
TWO OR THREE HOURS UNTIL THE TRAIN CAME BUT AND TOOK HIS HAT OFF TO PAY HIS RESPECTS.
TRAIN CAME BUT AND TOOK HIS HAT OFF TO PAY HIS RESPECTS. >> I THINK WHAT YOU CAPTURED
HAT OFF TO PAY HIS RESPECTS. >> I THINK WHAT YOU CAPTURED IMPORTANTLY ABOUT THADDEUS
>> I THINK WHAT YOU CAPTURED IMPORTANTLY ABOUT THADDEUS STEVENS AND ALSO PERHAPS
IMPORTANTLY ABOUT THADDEUS STEVENS AND ALSO PERHAPS ABOUT A CERTAIN RADICAL
STEVENS AND ALSO PERHAPS ABOUT A CERTAIN RADICAL FIGURE, WHEN YOU WERE ABLE TO
ABOUT A CERTAIN RADICAL FIGURE, WHEN YOU WERE ABLE TO SHOW HE WAS RIGHT, HIS VISION
FIGURE, WHEN YOU WERE ABLE TO SHOW HE WAS RIGHT, HIS VISION WAS RIGHT, WHAT HE WANTED WAS
SHOW HE WAS RIGHT, HIS VISION WAS RIGHT, WHAT HE WANTED WAS RIGHT, BUT HE DIDN'T REALLY
WAS RIGHT, WHAT HE WANTED WAS RIGHT, BUT HE DIDN'T REALLY CARE WHETHER THE PEOPLE
RIGHT, BUT HE DIDN'T REALLY CARE WHETHER THE PEOPLE ACCEPTED IT.
CARE WHETHER THE PEOPLE ACCEPTED IT. HE WAS LIKE WHO CARES ABOUT
ACCEPTED IT. HE WAS LIKE WHO CARES ABOUT THE PEOPLE.
HE WAS LIKE WHO CARES ABOUT THE PEOPLE. >> HE SAID I DON'T GIVE A --
THE PEOPLE. >> HE SAID I DON'T GIVE A -- ABOUT THE PEOPLE!
>> HE SAID I DON'T GIVE A -- ABOUT THE PEOPLE! >> THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.
ABOUT THE PEOPLE! >> THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. >> I WORKED ON THAT LONG AND
>> THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. >> I WORKED ON THAT LONG AND HARD FOR THE PEOPLE, WITHOUT
>> I WORKED ON THAT LONG AND HARD FOR THE PEOPLE, WITHOUT CARING MUCH FOR ANY OF THEM.
HARD FOR THE PEOPLE, WITHOUT CARING MUCH FOR ANY OF THEM. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT AND
CARING MUCH FOR ANY OF THEM. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT AND THE THING IS, THAT'S THE
>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT AND THE THING IS, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WITH LINCOLN.
THE THING IS, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WITH LINCOLN. LINCOLN, AND IT'S SHOWN IN
DIFFERENCE WITH LINCOLN. LINCOLN, AND IT'S SHOWN IN THE FILM, HE SAID I HAVE
LINCOLN, AND IT'S SHOWN IN THE FILM, HE SAID I HAVE THESE PUBLIC OPINION BATHS
THE FILM, HE SAID I HAVE THESE PUBLIC OPINION BATHS EVERY MORNING, ALL THE PEOPLE
THESE PUBLIC OPINION BATHS EVERY MORNING, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT KEPT COMING IN TO SEE
EVERY MORNING, ALL THE PEOPLE THAT KEPT COMING IN TO SEE HIM AND AFTER A WHILE JOHN
THAT KEPT COMING IN TO SEE HIM AND AFTER A WHILE JOHN HAY AND NICK LAY SAID YOU
HIM AND AFTER A WHILE JOHN HAY AND NICK LAY SAID YOU DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS AND
HAY AND NICK LAY SAID YOU DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS AND HE SAID THAT'S WRONG, IT'S MY
DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THIS AND HE SAID THAT'S WRONG, IT'S MY PUBLIC OPINION BATH AND I
HE SAID THAT'S WRONG, IT'S MY PUBLIC OPINION BATH AND I NEVER FORGET FROM WHERE I'VE
PUBLIC OPINION BATH AND I NEVER FORGET FROM WHERE I'VE COME, AND IT WAS THAT TOUCH,
NEVER FORGET FROM WHERE I'VE COME, AND IT WAS THAT TOUCH, THAT HE LOVED THE PEOPLE.
COME, AND IT WAS THAT TOUCH, THAT HE LOVED THE PEOPLE. AND THIS WONDERFUL DREAM HE
THAT HE LOVED THE PEOPLE. AND THIS WONDERFUL DREAM HE HAD ONE TIME, HE SAID HE WAS
AND THIS WONDERFUL DREAM HE HAD ONE TIME, HE SAID HE WAS DREAMING THAT SOMEBODY WAS
HAD ONE TIME, HE SAID HE WAS DREAMING THAT SOMEBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT HIM AND SAYING
DREAMING THAT SOMEBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT HIM AND SAYING THAT HE WAS UGLY, YOU KNOW,
TALKING ABOUT HIM AND SAYING THAT HE WAS UGLY, YOU KNOW, HE WAS AT A PARTY, AND HIS
THAT HE WAS UGLY, YOU KNOW, HE WAS AT A PARTY, AND HIS ANSWER TO THE PERSON IN THE
HE WAS AT A PARTY, AND HIS ANSWER TO THE PERSON IN THE DREAM WAS WELL -- THEY SAID
ANSWER TO THE PERSON IN THE DREAM WAS WELL -- THEY SAID HE LOOKED COMMON OR SOMETHING
DREAM WAS WELL -- THEY SAID HE LOOKED COMMON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OF THE HE WAS UGLY
HE LOOKED COMMON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OF THE HE WAS UGLY AND COMMON.
LIKE THAT OF THE HE WAS UGLY AND COMMON. AND HE SAID WELL, GOD MADE
AND COMMON. AND HE SAID WELL, GOD MADE MORE OF US THAN BEAUTIFUL
AND HE SAID WELL, GOD MADE MORE OF US THAN BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE, OR MUST HAVE LOVED
MORE OF US THAN BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE, OR MUST HAVE LOVED US.
PEOPLE, OR MUST HAVE LOVED US. IT'S NOT THAT, I'VE SCREWED
US. IT'S NOT THAT, I'VE SCREWED IT UP, BUT IT WAS BETTER THAN
IT'S NOT THAT, I'VE SCREWED IT UP, BUT IT WAS BETTER THAN THAT.
IT UP, BUT IT WAS BETTER THAN THAT. >> I THINK THAT, JUST TO ADD
THAT. >> I THINK THAT, JUST TO ADD ONE LAST THING, I REMEMBER
>> I THINK THAT, JUST TO ADD ONE LAST THING, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS READING KING OF
ONE LAST THING, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS READING KING OF RIVALS FOR THE FIRST TIME,
WHEN I WAS READING KING OF RIVALS FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE QUOTE THAT YOU -- YOU
RIVALS FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE QUOTE THAT YOU -- YOU MAYBE EVEN USED IT AS PART OF
THE QUOTE THAT YOU -- YOU MAYBE EVEN USED IT AS PART OF A CHAPTER HEADING, THAT
MAYBE EVEN USED IT AS PART OF A CHAPTER HEADING, THAT LINCOLN SAYS ABOUT THE
A CHAPTER HEADING, THAT LINCOLN SAYS ABOUT THE RADICALS, WHO WERE ALWAYS IN
LINCOLN SAYS ABOUT THE RADICALS, WHO WERE ALWAYS IN JUST SORT OF DISMISSED AS
RADICALS, WHO WERE ALWAYS IN JUST SORT OF DISMISSED AS GREAT ADVERSARIES BECAUSE
JUST SORT OF DISMISSED AS GREAT ADVERSARIES BECAUSE THEY REALLY DID GIVE HIM A
GREAT ADVERSARIES BECAUSE THEY REALLY DID GIVE HIM A VERY HARD TIME, BUT THE
THEY REALLY DID GIVE HIM A VERY HARD TIME, BUT THE UNHANDIEST DEVILS IN THE
VERY HARD TIME, BUT THE UNHANDIEST DEVILS IN THE WORLD BUT HIS EYES ARE
UNHANDIEST DEVILS IN THE WORLD BUT HIS EYES ARE POINTING ZIONWARD AND HE HAD
WORLD BUT HIS EYES ARE POINTING ZIONWARD AND HE HAD THE SENSE THAT THE REPUBLICAN
POINTING ZIONWARD AND HE HAD THE SENSE THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WAS A CENTRIST LEFT
THE SENSE THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WAS A CENTRIST LEFT PARTY AND WHEN SUE YARD
PARTY WAS A CENTRIST LEFT PARTY AND WHEN SUE YARD PROPOSED TO LINCOLN THEY GET
PARTY AND WHEN SUE YARD PROPOSED TO LINCOLN THEY GET RID OF THE CONSERVATIVE AND
PROPOSED TO LINCOLN THEY GET RID OF THE CONSERVATIVE AND RADICAL ELEMENT OF THE
RID OF THE CONSERVATIVE AND RADICAL ELEMENT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND FORM A
RADICAL ELEMENT OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND FORM A PURELY CENTERED PARTY,
REPUBLICAN PARTY AND FORM A PURELY CENTERED PARTY, LINCOLN WASN'T INTERESTED IN
PURELY CENTERED PARTY, LINCOLN WASN'T INTERESTED IN IT AT ALL, AND IN MANY
LINCOLN WASN'T INTERESTED IN IT AT ALL, AND IN MANY PLACES, HE TALKS ABOUT THE
IT AT ALL, AND IN MANY PLACES, HE TALKS ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE FEELS A GREAT
PLACES, HE TALKS ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE FEELS A GREAT AFFINITY, A NECESSITY FOR
FACT THAT HE FEELS A GREAT AFFINITY, A NECESSITY FOR MAKING AN ALLIANCE WITH
AFFINITY, A NECESSITY FOR MAKING AN ALLIANCE WITH PEOPLE OF THE RADICAL LEFT
MAKING AN ALLIANCE WITH PEOPLE OF THE RADICAL LEFT AND HE CALLS HIMSELF A
PEOPLE OF THE RADICAL LEFT AND HE CALLS HIMSELF A CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE HE SAYS
AND HE CALLS HIMSELF A CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE HE SAYS THEY'RE MORE IN POWER THAN
CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE HE SAYS THEY'RE MORE IN POWER THAN IDEALS.
THEY'RE MORE IN POWER THAN IDEALS. SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO
IDEALS. SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO THINK ABOUT IN THINKING ABOUT
SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO THINK ABOUT IN THINKING ABOUT LINCOLN.
THINK ABOUT IN THINKING ABOUT LINCOLN. >> THE THING IS, IN TERMS OF
LINCOLN. >> THE THING IS, IN TERMS OF ALL THE LESSONS THAT WE COULD
>> THE THING IS, IN TERMS OF ALL THE LESSONS THAT WE COULD LEARN TODAY, JUST BY LOOKING
ALL THE LESSONS THAT WE COULD LEARN TODAY, JUST BY LOOKING BACK IN HISTORY, YOU KNOW, IS
LEARN TODAY, JUST BY LOOKING BACK IN HISTORY, YOU KNOW, IS THAT THAT DOGMATIC NECESSITY
BACK IN HISTORY, YOU KNOW, IS THAT THAT DOGMATIC NECESSITY OF NOT GIVING AN INCH TO A
THAT THAT DOGMATIC NECESSITY OF NOT GIVING AN INCH TO A GOOD IDEA, THAT EVERYBODY
OF NOT GIVING AN INCH TO A GOOD IDEA, THAT EVERYBODY MIGHT EMBRACE, BECAUSE IT'S
GOOD IDEA, THAT EVERYBODY MIGHT EMBRACE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE PARTY LINE, AND YOU
MIGHT EMBRACE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT THE PARTY LINE, AND YOU WOULD BE BETRAYING YOUR PARTY
NOT THE PARTY LINE, AND YOU WOULD BE BETRAYING YOUR PARTY MUCH IN THE WAY, I GUESS, YOU
WOULD BE BETRAYING YOUR PARTY MUCH IN THE WAY, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR OF NEW
MUCH IN THE WAY, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY GOT IN TROUBLE IN THE
KNOW, THE GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY GOT IN TROUBLE IN THE REPUBLICAN BASE FOR PRAISING
JERSEY GOT IN TROUBLE IN THE REPUBLICAN BASE FOR PRAISING OBAMA, BECAUSE OF THE
REPUBLICAN BASE FOR PRAISING OBAMA, BECAUSE OF THE HURRICANE SANDY RELEASE.
OBAMA, BECAUSE OF THE HURRICANE SANDY RELEASE. AND IT'S JUST -- I THINK IT
HURRICANE SANDY RELEASE. AND IT'S JUST -- I THINK IT WAS KENNEDY WHO ACTUALLY SAID
AND IT'S JUST -- I THINK IT WAS KENNEDY WHO ACTUALLY SAID IT'S DANGEROUS TO BE TOO
WAS KENNEDY WHO ACTUALLY SAID IT'S DANGEROUS TO BE TOO LOYAL TO YOUR PARTY WHEN
IT'S DANGEROUS TO BE TOO LOYAL TO YOUR PARTY WHEN THERE'S A GOOD IDEA OUT THERE
LOYAL TO YOUR PARTY WHEN THERE'S A GOOD IDEA OUT THERE THAT EVERYBODY COULD EMBRACE
THERE'S A GOOD IDEA OUT THERE THAT EVERYBODY COULD EMBRACE BUT IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY YOU
THAT EVERYBODY COULD EMBRACE BUT IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY YOU WERE BROUGHT UP, IT'S NOT THE
BUT IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY YOU WERE BROUGHT UP, IT'S NOT THE WAY YOU WERE RAISED, AND THAT
WERE BROUGHT UP, IT'S NOT THE WAY YOU WERE RAISED, AND THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE, I THINK.
WAY YOU WERE RAISED, AND THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE, I THINK. >> [APPLAUSE]
WAS THE DIFFERENCE, I THINK. >> [APPLAUSE] >>
>> [APPLAUSE] >> >> THIS IS FOR YOU, THE
>> >> THIS IS FOR YOU, THE WRITERS.
>> THIS IS FOR YOU, THE WRITERS. WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF
WRITERS. WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF WRITING?
WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF WRITING? UP IN THE MORNING, AT THE
WRITING? UP IN THE MORNING, AT THE STKPHEFBG HOW ABOUT YOU?
UP IN THE MORNING, AT THE STKPHEFBG HOW ABOUT YOU? DO YOU -- AT THE DESK?
STKPHEFBG HOW ABOUT YOU? DO YOU -- AT THE DESK? HOW ABOUT YOU, DORIS, DO YOU
DO YOU -- AT THE DESK? HOW ABOUT YOU, DORIS, DO YOU HAVE A RITUAL AS A WRITER?
HOW ABOUT YOU, DORIS, DO YOU HAVE A RITUAL AS A WRITER? >> YES.
HAVE A RITUAL AS A WRITER? >> YES. THE MORNINGS ARE THE BEST
>> YES. THE MORNINGS ARE THE BEST LINE.
THE MORNINGS ARE THE BEST LINE. BECAUSE I HAVE A DEADLINE ON
LINE. BECAUSE I HAVE A DEADLINE ON A BOOK I'M WORKING ON NOW ON
BECAUSE I HAVE A DEADLINE ON A BOOK I'M WORKING ON NOW ON THEY'DER ROOSEVELT AND HOWARD
A BOOK I'M WORKING ON NOW ON THEY'DER ROOSEVELT AND HOWARD TAFT'S FRIENDSHIP AND IT HAS
THEY'DER ROOSEVELT AND HOWARD TAFT'S FRIENDSHIP AND IT HAS TO BE DONE IN THE SUMMER, SO
TAFT'S FRIENDSHIP AND IT HAS TO BE DONE IN THE SUMMER, SO I'M WAKING UP, 5:30, SO I
TO BE DONE IN THE SUMMER, SO I'M WAKING UP, 5:30, SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF HOURS BEFORE
I'M WAKING UP, 5:30, SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF HOURS BEFORE MY HUSBAND YELLS DORIS, WHERE
HAVE A COUPLE OF HOURS BEFORE MY HUSBAND YELLS DORIS, WHERE ARE YOU!
MY HUSBAND YELLS DORIS, WHERE ARE YOU! >> ARE YOU FILM RIGHTS
ARE YOU! >> ARE YOU FILM RIGHTS AVAILABLE?
>> ARE YOU FILM RIGHTS AVAILABLE? >> [APPLAUSE]
AVAILABLE? >> [APPLAUSE] >> SHAKE ON IT!
>> [APPLAUSE] >> SHAKE ON IT! >> SO TO MAKE IT QUICK, I
>> SHAKE ON IT! >> SO TO MAKE IT QUICK, I WORK IN THE MORNINGS AND HE
>> SO TO MAKE IT QUICK, I WORK IN THE MORNINGS AND HE COMES DOWN AND I MAKE
WORK IN THE MORNINGS AND HE COMES DOWN AND I MAKE BREAKFAST AND HE READS AND I
COMES DOWN AND I MAKE BREAKFAST AND HE READS AND I READ AND WE WORK UNTIL 1:00
BREAKFAST AND HE READS AND I READ AND WE WORK UNTIL 1:00 AND WE OFTEN GO AND HAVE
READ AND WE WORK UNTIL 1:00 AND WE OFTEN GO AND HAVE LUNCH TOGETHER IN THE HOUSE
AND WE OFTEN GO AND HAVE LUNCH TOGETHER IN THE HOUSE AND READ THE NEWSPAPER THEN.
LUNCH TOGETHER IN THE HOUSE AND READ THE NEWSPAPER THEN. PHI START READING THEM IN THE
AND READ THE NEWSPAPER THEN. PHI START READING THEM IN THE MORNING, I WON'T GET INTO THE
PHI START READING THEM IN THE MORNING, I WON'T GET INTO THE MODE OF BEING BACK IN THE
MORNING, I WON'T GET INTO THE MODE OF BEING BACK IN THE EARLY 1900S.
MODE OF BEING BACK IN THE EARLY 1900S. AND THEN WORK A COUPLE MORE
EARLY 1900S. AND THEN WORK A COUPLE MORE HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON, AND
AND THEN WORK A COUPLE MORE HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON, AND THEN WE GO EVERY SINGLE NIGHT
HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON, AND THEN WE GO EVERY SINGLE NIGHT TO THE SAME BAR, RESTAURANT,
THEN WE GO EVERY SINGLE NIGHT TO THE SAME BAR, RESTAURANT, IN CONCORD, MASSACHUSETTS,
TO THE SAME BAR, RESTAURANT, IN CONCORD, MASSACHUSETTS, WHERE WE LIVE, UNLESS WE HAVE
IN CONCORD, MASSACHUSETTS, WHERE WE LIVE, UNLESS WE HAVE A SOCIAL OBLIGATION, AND IT'S
WHERE WE LIVE, UNLESS WE HAVE A SOCIAL OBLIGATION, AND IT'S THE SAME 10 OR 15 PEOPLE
A SOCIAL OBLIGATION, AND IT'S THE SAME 10 OR 15 PEOPLE THERE, AND I DON'T THINK ANY
THE SAME 10 OR 15 PEOPLE THERE, AND I DON'T THINK ANY MORE ABOUT LINCOLN OR I DON'T
THERE, AND I DON'T THINK ANY MORE ABOUT LINCOLN OR I DON'T THINK ABOUT TEDDY ROOSEVELT
MORE ABOUT LINCOLN OR I DON'T THINK ABOUT TEDDY ROOSEVELT AND I NEVER WORK AT NIGHT.
THINK ABOUT TEDDY ROOSEVELT AND I NEVER WORK AT NIGHT. I USED TO WHEN I WAS SINGLE,
AND I NEVER WORK AT NIGHT. I USED TO WHEN I WAS SINGLE, WHEN I WAS AT HARVARD, I
I USED TO WHEN I WAS SINGLE, WHEN I WAS AT HARVARD, I COULD WORK ALL NIGHT.
WHEN I WAS AT HARVARD, I COULD WORK ALL NIGHT. ONCE I HAD KIDS, THAT WAS
COULD WORK ALL NIGHT. ONCE I HAD KIDS, THAT WAS GONE.
ONCE I HAD KIDS, THAT WAS GONE. SO MORNINGS.
GONE. SO MORNINGS. ARE YOU A MORNING PERSON?
SO MORNINGS. ARE YOU A MORNING PERSON? YOU SEEM LIKE A --
ARE YOU A MORNING PERSON? YOU SEEM LIKE A -- >> MY WRITING RITUAL IS I GET
YOU SEEM LIKE A -- >> MY WRITING RITUAL IS I GET UP IN THE MORNING AND I SEND
>> MY WRITING RITUAL IS I GET UP IN THE MORNING AND I SEND AN E-MAIL TO STEVEN
UP IN THE MORNING AND I SEND AN E-MAIL TO STEVEN APOLOGIZING FOR BEING LATE.
AN E-MAIL TO STEVEN APOLOGIZING FOR BEING LATE. >> [LAUGHTER]
APOLOGIZING FOR BEING LATE. >> [LAUGHTER] >> THIS IS TRUE!
>> [LAUGHTER] >> THIS IS TRUE! >> REALLY?
>> THIS IS TRUE! >> REALLY? >> DAILY.
>> REALLY? >> DAILY. >> DAILY.
>> DAILY. >> DAILY. >> THAT WAS MY DAILY SHOW.
>> DAILY. >> THAT WAS MY DAILY SHOW. >> WELL, I GUESS --
>> THAT WAS MY DAILY SHOW. >> WELL, I GUESS -- >> DO YOU WORK IN THE
>> WELL, I GUESS -- >> DO YOU WORK IN THE MORNINGS, THOUGH?
>> DO YOU WORK IN THE MORNINGS, THOUGH? >> YEAH, I DO.
MORNINGS, THOUGH? >> YEAH, I DO. WE JUST GOT A PUPPY, AND --
>> YEAH, I DO. WE JUST GOT A PUPPY, AND -- >> [LAUGHTER]
WE JUST GOT A PUPPY, AND -- >> [LAUGHTER] >> MY WIFE -- I DON'T HAVE A
>> [LAUGHTER] >> MY WIFE -- I DON'T HAVE A MORNING ANYMORE.
>> MY WIFE -- I DON'T HAVE A MORNING ANYMORE. SO I'M RUNNING AROUND,
MORNING ANYMORE. SO I'M RUNNING AROUND, CHASING THIS ANIMAL AROUND
SO I'M RUNNING AROUND, CHASING THIS ANIMAL AROUND THE HOUSE, AND I JUST HEAR MY
CHASING THIS ANIMAL AROUND THE HOUSE, AND I JUST HEAR MY GRANDMOTHER, WHO CAME TO, YOU
THE HOUSE, AND I JUST HEAR MY GRANDMOTHER, WHO CAME TO, YOU KNOW -- FROM EASTERN EUROPE,
GRANDMOTHER, WHO CAME TO, YOU KNOW -- FROM EASTERN EUROPE, WHO DIDN'T CALL THEM DOGS,
KNOW -- FROM EASTERN EUROPE, WHO DIDN'T CALL THEM DOGS, SHE CALLED THEM ANIMALS, AND
WHO DIDN'T CALL THEM DOGS, SHE CALLED THEM ANIMALS, AND SHE GOES I DON'T UNDERSTAND,
SHE CALLED THEM ANIMALS, AND SHE GOES I DON'T UNDERSTAND, WHY DO YOU HAVE AN ANIMAL IN
SHE GOES I DON'T UNDERSTAND, WHY DO YOU HAVE AN ANIMAL IN THE HOUSE!
WHY DO YOU HAVE AN ANIMAL IN THE HOUSE! >> BUT SHE WAS RIGHT!
THE HOUSE! >> BUT SHE WAS RIGHT! >> THE PROBLEM IS, TONY, WHEN
>> BUT SHE WAS RIGHT! >> THE PROBLEM IS, TONY, WHEN THE PUPPY GROWS UP, YOU CAN'T
>> THE PROBLEM IS, TONY, WHEN THE PUPPY GROWS UP, YOU CAN'T SEND HIM TO PRESCHOOL!
THE PUPPY GROWS UP, YOU CAN'T SEND HIM TO PRESCHOOL! HE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU!
SEND HIM TO PRESCHOOL! HE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU! >> SO I GUESS FUTURE WRITERS
HE WILL ALWAYS BE WITH YOU! >> SO I GUESS FUTURE WRITERS CAN LEARN FROM THIS.
>> SO I GUESS FUTURE WRITERS CAN LEARN FROM THIS. DON'T GET A DOG!
CAN LEARN FROM THIS. DON'T GET A DOG! >> AND FIND A GOOD BAR!
DON'T GET A DOG! >> AND FIND A GOOD BAR! >> [LAUGHTER]
>> AND FIND A GOOD BAR! >> [LAUGHTER] >> HERE'S A QUESTION THAT
>> [LAUGHTER] >> HERE'S A QUESTION THAT SAYS WHAT OTHER EVENTS OR
>> HERE'S A QUESTION THAT SAYS WHAT OTHER EVENTS OR PERIODS WOULD BE DEPICT IN
SAYS WHAT OTHER EVENTS OR PERIODS WOULD BE DEPICT IN LINCOLN II, THE SEQUEL.
PERIODS WOULD BE DEPICT IN LINCOLN II, THE SEQUEL. IT WOULD HAVE TO THE PREQUEL
LINCOLN II, THE SEQUEL. IT WOULD HAVE TO THE PREQUEL IN THIS CASE.
IT WOULD HAVE TO THE PREQUEL IN THIS CASE. WHAT WOULD THE EVENT COVER?
IN THIS CASE. WHAT WOULD THE EVENT COVER? >> MY GOODNESS.
WHAT WOULD THE EVENT COVER? >> MY GOODNESS. I HAVE NO INTENTION OF GOING
>> MY GOODNESS. I HAVE NO INTENTION OF GOING BACK INTO THE LINCOLN WORLD
I HAVE NO INTENTION OF GOING BACK INTO THE LINCOLN WORLD AGAIN BECAUSE I JUST FEEL SO
BACK INTO THE LINCOLN WORLD AGAIN BECAUSE I JUST FEEL SO COMPLETE BECAUSE OF THE WORK
AGAIN BECAUSE I JUST FEEL SO COMPLETE BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT EVERYBODY AROUND ME HAS
COMPLETE BECAUSE OF THE WORK THAT EVERYBODY AROUND ME HAS DONE AND ALL THE ACTORS.
THAT EVERYBODY AROUND ME HAS DONE AND ALL THE ACTORS. I DON'T FEEL COMPELLED TO GO
DONE AND ALL THE ACTORS. I DON'T FEEL COMPELLED TO GO BACK THERE AGAIN.
I DON'T FEEL COMPELLED TO GO BACK THERE AGAIN. IF SOMEBODY ELSE WAS MAKING A
BACK THERE AGAIN. IF SOMEBODY ELSE WAS MAKING A LINCOLN STORY, AND I KNOW A
IF SOMEBODY ELSE WAS MAKING A LINCOLN STORY, AND I KNOW A FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING
LINCOLN STORY, AND I KNOW A FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THIS, AROUND THE LINCOLN
FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THIS, AROUND THE LINCOLN YEARS, I WOULD REALLY, AND I
THIS, AROUND THE LINCOLN YEARS, I WOULD REALLY, AND I SAID THIS BEFORE TONIGHT AND
YEARS, I WOULD REALLY, AND I SAID THIS BEFORE TONIGHT AND I'VE SAID THIS PRIVATELY TO
SAID THIS BEFORE TONIGHT AND I'VE SAID THIS PRIVATELY TO BOTH DORIS AND TONY, I WOULD
I'VE SAID THIS PRIVATELY TO BOTH DORIS AND TONY, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS STORY OF
BOTH DORIS AND TONY, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS STORY OF FREDERICK DOUGLAS.
LOVE TO SEE THIS STORY OF FREDERICK DOUGLAS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ABOUT HIS
FREDERICK DOUGLAS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ABOUT HIS NEWSPAPER AND HIS SONS AND
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ABOUT HIS NEWSPAPER AND HIS SONS AND WHAT HE DID IN TERMS OF EQUAL
NEWSPAPER AND HIS SONS AND WHAT HE DID IN TERMS OF EQUAL PAY, AND IT JUST -- IT'S A
WHAT HE DID IN TERMS OF EQUAL PAY, AND IT JUST -- IT'S A RICH, RICH, DETAILED STORY
PAY, AND IT JUST -- IT'S A RICH, RICH, DETAILED STORY THAT SHOULD BE TOLD BY
RICH, RICH, DETAILED STORY THAT SHOULD BE TOLD BY SOMEONE.
THAT SHOULD BE TOLD BY SOMEONE. >> WHAT WERE SOME INSTANCES
SOMEONE. >> WHAT WERE SOME INSTANCES IN LINCOLN'S CREATIVE LIFE,
>> WHAT WERE SOME INSTANCES IN LINCOLN'S CREATIVE LIFE, IN ORDER TO CREATE A BETTER
IN LINCOLN'S CREATIVE LIFE, IN ORDER TO CREATE A BETTER FILM?
IN ORDER TO CREATE A BETTER FILM? >> THE RULE THAT WE SORT OF
FILM? >> THE RULE THAT WE SORT OF FOLLOWED IS THAT WE HAVE
>> THE RULE THAT WE SORT OF FOLLOWED IS THAT WE HAVE LICENSE TO STAY WHAT HAPPENS
FOLLOWED IS THAT WE HAVE LICENSE TO STAY WHAT HAPPENS ON THE WAY TO WHAT HAPPENED,
LICENSE TO STAY WHAT HAPPENS ON THE WAY TO WHAT HAPPENED, THAT YOU CAN -- AS LONG AS
ON THE WAY TO WHAT HAPPENED, THAT YOU CAN -- AS LONG AS YOU DON'T IN ANY WAY
THAT YOU CAN -- AS LONG AS YOU DON'T IN ANY WAY SIGNIFICANTLY ALTAR -- YOU
YOU DON'T IN ANY WAY SIGNIFICANTLY ALTAR -- YOU KNOW -- ALTER -- IF WE HAD
SIGNIFICANTLY ALTAR -- YOU KNOW -- ALTER -- IF WE HAD CLAIMED, FOR INSTANCE, THAT
KNOW -- ALTER -- IF WE HAD CLAIMED, FOR INSTANCE, THAT THE ELDPASSED BY TWO VOTES AS
CLAIMED, FOR INSTANCE, THAT THE ELDPASSED BY TWO VOTES AS IN THE FILM AND IN ACTUALITY
THE ELDPASSED BY TWO VOTES AS IN THE FILM AND IN ACTUALITY IT PASSED BY 40 VOTES, THAT
IN THE FILM AND IN ACTUALITY IT PASSED BY 40 VOTES, THAT WOULD BE A BETRAYAL OF
IT PASSED BY 40 VOTES, THAT WOULD BE A BETRAYAL OF HISTORY AND DISTORTION OF
WOULD BE A BETRAYAL OF HISTORY AND DISTORTION OF HISTORY AND WE DON'T DO THAT.
HISTORY AND DISTORTION OF HISTORY AND WE DON'T DO THAT. FOR INSTANCE, GEORGE SHEAMAN
HISTORY AND WE DON'T DO THAT. FOR INSTANCE, GEORGE SHEAMAN WAS PLAYED BY MICHAEL, HE WAS
FOR INSTANCE, GEORGE SHEAMAN WAS PLAYED BY MICHAEL, HE WAS NOT A DEMOCRAT.
WAS PLAYED BY MICHAEL, HE WAS NOT A DEMOCRAT. HE CAUCUSED WITH THE
NOT A DEMOCRAT. HE CAUCUSED WITH THE DEMOCRATS.
HE CAUCUSED WITH THE DEMOCRATS. BUT HE WAS NOT A -- GIVEN THE
DEMOCRATS. BUT HE WAS NOT A -- GIVEN THE CONFUSION THAT WE KNEW WE
BUT HE WAS NOT A -- GIVEN THE CONFUSION THAT WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO BE FACING WITH
CONFUSION THAT WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO BE FACING WITH REPUBLICANS BEING LEFT CENTER
WERE GOING TO BE FACING WITH REPUBLICANS BEING LEFT CENTER AND DEMOCRATS BEING EXTREME
REPUBLICANS BEING LEFT CENTER AND DEMOCRATS BEING EXTREME RIGHT, WE DIDN'T WANT TO ADD
AND DEMOCRATS BEING EXTREME RIGHT, WE DIDN'T WANT TO ADD ANY CONDITIONAL UNION, SO WE
RIGHT, WE DIDN'T WANT TO ADD ANY CONDITIONAL UNION, SO WE TURNED HIM INTO A DEMOCRAT.
ANY CONDITIONAL UNION, SO WE TURNED HIM INTO A DEMOCRAT. BUT WE MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, WE
TURNED HIM INTO A DEMOCRAT. BUT WE MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, WE CHANGED THE NAME OF A NUMBER
BUT WE MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, WE CHANGED THE NAME OF A NUMBER OF REPRESENTATIVES, BECAUSE
CHANGED THE NAME OF A NUMBER OF REPRESENTATIVES, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE -- WE
OF REPRESENTATIVES, BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE -- WE WEREN'T SURE WHETHER THEY HAD
WE WANTED TO MAKE -- WE WEREN'T SURE WHETHER THEY HAD ACCEPTED JOBS AND WHETHER THE
WEREN'T SURE WHETHER THEY HAD ACCEPTED JOBS AND WHETHER THE JOBS THEY HAD ACCEPTED --
ACCEPTED JOBS AND WHETHER THE JOBS THEY HAD ACCEPTED -- >> WERE THE ACTUAL --
JOBS THEY HAD ACCEPTED -- >> WERE THE ACTUAL -- >> -- WAS THE REASON THEY
>> WERE THE ACTUAL -- >> -- WAS THE REASON THEY VOTED YES FOR THE 13TH
>> -- WAS THE REASON THEY VOTED YES FOR THE 13TH AMENDMENT, SO RATHER THAN
VOTED YES FOR THE 13TH AMENDMENT, SO RATHER THAN SORT OF DEFAMEING SOMEBODY
AMENDMENT, SO RATHER THAN SORT OF DEFAMEING SOMEBODY EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN DEAD
SORT OF DEFAMEING SOMEBODY EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME, IF THEY WERE
EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN DEAD A LONG TIME, IF THEY WERE SMALL ENOUGH FIGURES, WE
A LONG TIME, IF THEY WERE SMALL ENOUGH FIGURES, WE WOULD CHANGE THE NAME.
SMALL ENOUGH FIGURES, WE WOULD CHANGE THE NAME. WE DIDN'T CHANGE THADDEUS
WOULD CHANGE THE NAME. WE DIDN'T CHANGE THADDEUS STEVENS' NAME, BUT THINGS
WE DIDN'T CHANGE THADDEUS STEVENS' NAME, BUT THINGS LIKE THAT.
STEVENS' NAME, BUT THINGS LIKE THAT. MOSTLY, WE FOUND WHEN WE DUG
LIKE THAT. MOSTLY, WE FOUND WHEN WE DUG INTO THE HISTORY, THE STORY
MOSTLY, WE FOUND WHEN WE DUG INTO THE HISTORY, THE STORY WAS SO INTERESTING AND
INTO THE HISTORY, THE STORY WAS SO INTERESTING AND COMPELLING, WE DIDN'T NEED TO
WAS SO INTERESTING AND COMPELLING, WE DIDN'T NEED TO MAKE UP STUFF.
COMPELLING, WE DIDN'T NEED TO MAKE UP STUFF. >> AND WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER
MAKE UP STUFF. >> AND WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT FIGHT THAT LINCOLN AND
>> AND WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT FIGHT THAT LINCOLN AND MARY HAD EXACTLY THAT WAY.
THAT FIGHT THAT LINCOLN AND MARY HAD EXACTLY THAT WAY. WE KNOW THERE WERE INSTANCES
MARY HAD EXACTLY THAT WAY. WE KNOW THERE WERE INSTANCES WHEN MARY LOST HER COOL, SO
WE KNOW THERE WERE INSTANCES WHEN MARY LOST HER COOL, SO TO SPEAK, SPEAK, WHEN SHE WENT O
WHEN MARY LOST HER COOL, SO TO SPEAK, SPEAK, WHEN SHE WENT O THE GROUNDS TO INTRODUCE THE
TO SPEAK, SPEAK, WHEN SHE WENT O THE GROUNDS TO INTRODUCE THE TROOPS, AND GEORGE LIFE
THE GROUNDS TO INTRODUCE THE TROOPS, AND GEORGE LIFE DECIDED TO RIDE A HORSE WITH
TROOPS, AND GEORGE LIFE DECIDED TO RIDE A HORSE WITH THE PRESIDENT TO THE
DECIDED TO RIDE A HORSE WITH THE PRESIDENT TO THE PLAYGROUNDS, WELL, MARY WAS
THE PRESIDENT TO THE PLAYGROUNDS, WELL, MARY WAS IN THIS BUGGY, BEING BUCKED
PLAYGROUNDS, WELL, MARY WAS IN THIS BUGGY, BEING BUCKED ABOUT AND SHE HAD ALREADY HAD
IN THIS BUGGY, BEING BUCKED ABOUT AND SHE HAD ALREADY HAD A CARRIAGE ACCIDENT AND SHE
ABOUT AND SHE HAD ALREADY HAD A CARRIAGE ACCIDENT AND SHE KEPT HIKING THE TOP OF THE
A CARRIAGE ACCIDENT AND SHE KEPT HIKING THE TOP OF THE CLOSED CARRIAGE.
KEPT HIKING THE TOP OF THE CLOSED CARRIAGE. BY THE TIME SHE GOT TO THE
CLOSED CARRIAGE. BY THE TIME SHE GOT TO THE PARADE GROUNDS, SHE HAD A
BY THE TIME SHE GOT TO THE PARADE GROUNDS, SHE HAD A COMPLETE AND MODERN-DAY
PARADE GROUNDS, SHE HAD A COMPLETE AND MODERN-DAY MELTDOWN.
COMPLETE AND MODERN-DAY MELTDOWN. IT'S WIDELY REPORTED.
MELTDOWN. IT'S WIDELY REPORTED. THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF
IT'S WIDELY REPORTED. THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF TROOPS WITNESSING THIS.
THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF TROOPS WITNESSING THIS. IT WAS IN YOUR BOOK, IT WAS
TROOPS WITNESSING THIS. IT WAS IN YOUR BOOK, IT WAS IN TONY'S VERY FIRST DRAFT,
IT WAS IN YOUR BOOK, IT WAS IN TONY'S VERY FIRST DRAFT, AND WE TOOK SOME OF THE
IN TONY'S VERY FIRST DRAFT, AND WE TOOK SOME OF THE HISTORICAL RECORD, PERSONAL
AND WE TOOK SOME OF THE HISTORICAL RECORD, PERSONAL HISTORICAL RECORD, ABOUT THE
HISTORICAL RECORD, PERSONAL HISTORICAL RECORD, ABOUT THE MARY LINCOLN RELATIONSHIP AND
HISTORICAL RECORD, ABOUT THE MARY LINCOLN RELATIONSHIP AND TONY WAS ABLE TO FIND A
MARY LINCOLN RELATIONSHIP AND TONY WAS ABLE TO FIND A MOMENT IN THE FILM BASED ON
TONY WAS ABLE TO FIND A MOMENT IN THE FILM BASED ON MARY'S FEAR THAT SHE MIGHT
MOMENT IN THE FILM BASED ON MARY'S FEAR THAT SHE MIGHT LOSE ROBERT IN BATTLE, TO
MARY'S FEAR THAT SHE MIGHT LOSE ROBERT IN BATTLE, TO BRING THAT ARGUMENT TO A
LOSE ROBERT IN BATTLE, TO BRING THAT ARGUMENT TO A CRISIS, TO A HEAD.
BRING THAT ARGUMENT TO A CRISIS, TO A HEAD. >> I DON'T KNOW -- ONE THING
CRISIS, TO A HEAD. >> I DON'T KNOW -- ONE THING THAT I DON'T KNOW -- I MEAN,
>> I DON'T KNOW -- ONE THING THAT I DON'T KNOW -- I MEAN, IN FACT, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT
THAT I DON'T KNOW -- I MEAN, IN FACT, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THADDEUS STEVENS DIDN'T TAKE
IN FACT, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THADDEUS STEVENS DIDN'T TAKE THE ACTUAL BILL FROM THE
THADDEUS STEVENS DIDN'T TAKE THE ACTUAL BILL FROM THE CLERK AND BRING IT HOME TO
THE ACTUAL BILL FROM THE CLERK AND BRING IT HOME TO LIDIA SMITH.
CLERK AND BRING IT HOME TO LIDIA SMITH. WE KNOW THAT SHE WASN'T IN
LIDIA SMITH. WE KNOW THAT SHE WASN'T IN THE HOUSE ON THE DAY OF THE
WE KNOW THAT SHE WASN'T IN THE HOUSE ON THE DAY OF THE VOTE.
THE HOUSE ON THE DAY OF THE VOTE. AND HE WENT HOME.
VOTE. AND HE WENT HOME. SO THAT'S LICENSE -- IT
AND HE WENT HOME. SO THAT'S LICENSE -- IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD WAY TO
SO THAT'S LICENSE -- IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD WAY TO HEAR THE TEXT OF THE
SEEMED LIKE A GOOD WAY TO HEAR THE TEXT OF THE AMENDMENT.
HEAR THE TEXT OF THE AMENDMENT. >> AND THAT GREAT LINE IN THE
AMENDMENT. >> AND THAT GREAT LINE IN THE GETTYSBURG SPEECH, THOUGH,
>> AND THAT GREAT LINE IN THE GETTYSBURG SPEECH, THOUGH, ABOUT WHERE IMAGINATION HAD
GETTYSBURG SPEECH, THOUGH, ABOUT WHERE IMAGINATION HAD TO FILL IN THE BLANKS.
ABOUT WHERE IMAGINATION HAD TO FILL IN THE BLANKS. >> YES, IF I SAID THAT, THAT
TO FILL IN THE BLANKS. >> YES, IF I SAID THAT, THAT MUST HAVE BEEN ANOTHER TIME
>> YES, IF I SAID THAT, THAT MUST HAVE BEEN ANOTHER TIME IN MY LIFE WHEN I REMEMBERED
MUST HAVE BEEN ANOTHER TIME IN MY LIFE WHEN I REMEMBERED EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.
IN MY LIFE WHEN I REMEMBERED EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. >> [LAUGHTER]
EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. >> [LAUGHTER] >> IF YOU COULD HELP ME OUT
>> [LAUGHTER] >> IF YOU COULD HELP ME OUT HERE.
>> IF YOU COULD HELP ME OUT HERE. >> YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS!
HERE. >> YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS! >> HE DOES THIS GREAT THING
>> YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS! >> HE DOES THIS GREAT THING IF YOU REDEAD RATED --
>> HE DOES THIS GREAT THING IF YOU REDEAD RATED -- REDEDICATED --
IF YOU REDEAD RATED -- REDEDICATED -- >> SORT OF THE IDEA THAT THE
REDEDICATED -- >> SORT OF THE IDEA THAT THE HISTORY -- THAT REALLY GOOD,
>> SORT OF THE IDEA THAT THE HISTORY -- THAT REALLY GOOD, RESPONSIBLE HISTORY IS
HISTORY -- THAT REALLY GOOD, RESPONSIBLE HISTORY IS PARTIALLY ABOUT TELLING US
RESPONSIBLE HISTORY IS PARTIALLY ABOUT TELLING US WHAT WE CAN RECOVER, WHAT WE
PARTIALLY ABOUT TELLING US WHAT WE CAN RECOVER, WHAT WE CAN REMEMBER, BUT ALSO,
WHAT WE CAN RECOVER, WHAT WE CAN REMEMBER, BUT ALSO, RESPONSIBLE HISTORY ADMITS
CAN REMEMBER, BUT ALSO, RESPONSIBLE HISTORY ADMITS WHAT IS LOST FOREVER.
RESPONSIBLE HISTORY ADMITS WHAT IS LOST FOREVER. AND THAT -- SO HISTORY HAS A
WHAT IS LOST FOREVER. AND THAT -- SO HISTORY HAS A WAY OF US BOTH BELIEVING THAT
AND THAT -- SO HISTORY HAS A WAY OF US BOTH BELIEVING THAT THE PAST CAN BE RETURNED AND
WAY OF US BOTH BELIEVING THAT THE PAST CAN BE RETURNED AND ALSO, A WAY OF US CONFRONTING
THE PAST CAN BE RETURNED AND ALSO, A WAY OF US CONFRONTING THE FACT THAT THINGS DIE AND
ALSO, A WAY OF US CONFRONTING THE FACT THAT THINGS DIE AND GO AWAY AND THAT WE'LL NEVER
THE FACT THAT THINGS DIE AND GO AWAY AND THAT WE'LL NEVER KNOW WITH CERTAINTY --
GO AWAY AND THAT WE'LL NEVER KNOW WITH CERTAINTY -- >> IMAGINATION FILLS IN.
KNOW WITH CERTAINTY -- >> IMAGINATION FILLS IN. FILLS IN THE BLANKS.
>> IMAGINATION FILLS IN. FILLS IN THE BLANKS. AND THAT'S THE COMBINATION OF
FILLS IN THE BLANKS. AND THAT'S THE COMBINATION OF ART AND --
AND THAT'S THE COMBINATION OF ART AND -- >> I'M SAY, IT'S WHAT THE
ART AND -- >> I'M SAY, IT'S WHAT THE HISTORIANS CANNOT AFFORD TO
>> I'M SAY, IT'S WHAT THE HISTORIANS CANNOT AFFORD TO DO.
HISTORIANS CANNOT AFFORD TO DO. YOU CANNOT BE AN HISTORIAN, A
DO. YOU CANNOT BE AN HISTORIAN, A CIVIL WAR LINCOLN SCHOLAR AND
YOU CANNOT BE AN HISTORIAN, A CIVIL WAR LINCOLN SCHOLAR AND USE YOUR IMAGINATION.
CIVIL WAR LINCOLN SCHOLAR AND USE YOUR IMAGINATION. >> IT'S SO ANNOYING.
USE YOUR IMAGINATION. >> IT'S SO ANNOYING. I MEAN, I SORT OF KNOW --
>> IT'S SO ANNOYING. I MEAN, I SORT OF KNOW -- IT'S TRUE.
I MEAN, I SORT OF KNOW -- IT'S TRUE. I KNOW WHAT MY GUYS WERE
IT'S TRUE. I KNOW WHAT MY GUYS WERE THINKING SOMETIMES.
I KNOW WHAT MY GUYS WERE THINKING SOMETIMES. I JUST KNOW WHAT THEY'RE
THINKING SOMETIMES. I JUST KNOW WHAT THEY'RE FEELING, AND PHI DON'T HAVE A
I JUST KNOW WHAT THEY'RE FEELING, AND PHI DON'T HAVE A DIARY OR SOME EVIDENCE OF IT,
FEELING, AND PHI DON'T HAVE A DIARY OR SOME EVIDENCE OF IT, I CAN'T GO OVER THAT LINE.
DIARY OR SOME EVIDENCE OF IT, I CAN'T GO OVER THAT LINE. YOU GUYS CAN.
I CAN'T GO OVER THAT LINE. YOU GUYS CAN. I'M JEALOUS.
YOU GUYS CAN. I'M JEALOUS. >> [LAUGHTER]
I'M JEALOUS. >> [LAUGHTER] >> ANOTHER QUESTION, IS IT
>> [LAUGHTER] >> ANOTHER QUESTION, IS IT TRUE YOU STARTED BEING
>> ANOTHER QUESTION, IS IT TRUE YOU STARTED BEING INTERESTED, SPEAKING OF THE
TRUE YOU STARTED BEING INTERESTED, SPEAKING OF THE KNIFE THAT YOU LOST, IN MOVIE
INTERESTED, SPEAKING OF THE KNIFE THAT YOU LOST, IN MOVIE MAKING, WHEN YOU WERE A BOY
KNIFE THAT YOU LOST, IN MOVIE MAKING, WHEN YOU WERE A BOY WORKING ON A MERIT BADGE FOR
MAKING, WHEN YOU WERE A BOY WORKING ON A MERIT BADGE FOR THE BOY SCOUTS ON MAKING A
WORKING ON A MERIT BADGE FOR THE BOY SCOUTS ON MAKING A FILM?
THE BOY SCOUTS ON MAKING A FILM? >> YEAH, I DID.
FILM? >> YEAH, I DID. I WAS GOING OUT FOR THE
>> YEAH, I DID. I WAS GOING OUT FOR THE PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE WHICH
I WAS GOING OUT FOR THE PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE WHICH THEY WERE OFFERING IN THE
PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE WHICH THEY WERE OFFERING IN THE EARLY '50S -- I FORGOT WHEN I
THEY WERE OFFERING IN THE EARLY '50S -- I FORGOT WHEN I WAS A BOY SCOUT, BUT I WAS AN
EARLY '50S -- I FORGOT WHEN I WAS A BOY SCOUT, BUT I WAS AN EAGLE SCOUT, WENT THROUGH THE
WAS A BOY SCOUT, BUT I WAS AN EAGLE SCOUT, WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROGRAM, AND --
EAGLE SCOUT, WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROGRAM, AND -- >> [APPLAUSE]
WHOLE PROGRAM, AND -- >> [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU.
>> [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU. AND I DID WANT TO GET THE
>> THANK YOU. AND I DID WANT TO GET THE PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE AND
AND I DID WANT TO GET THE PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE AND THERE WAS A PART IN THE HAND
PHOTOGRAPHY MERIT BADGE AND THERE WAS A PART IN THE HAND BOOK THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO
THERE WAS A PART IN THE HAND BOOK THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO TELL A STORY WITH STILL
BOOK THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO TELL A STORY WITH STILL PHOTOGRAPHS AND I WENT HOME
TELL A STORY WITH STILL PHOTOGRAPHS AND I WENT HOME TO GET MY DAD'S CAMERA AND MY
PHOTOGRAPHS AND I WENT HOME TO GET MY DAD'S CAMERA AND MY DAD SAID IT WAS BROKEN, IT
TO GET MY DAD'S CAMERA AND MY DAD SAID IT WAS BROKEN, IT WAS OUT IN THE REPAIR SHOP
DAD SAID IT WAS BROKEN, IT WAS OUT IN THE REPAIR SHOP GETTING FIXED AND I WANTED
WAS OUT IN THE REPAIR SHOP GETTING FIXED AND I WANTED THE MERIT BADGE NOW, I DIDN'T
GETTING FIXED AND I WANTED THE MERIT BADGE NOW, I DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT, SO WE HAD AN
THE MERIT BADGE NOW, I DIDN'T WANT TO WAIT, SO WE HAD AN 8-MILLIMETER HOME MOVIE
WANT TO WAIT, SO WE HAD AN 8-MILLIMETER HOME MOVIE CAMERA, KODAK MOVIE CAMERA
8-MILLIMETER HOME MOVIE CAMERA, KODAK MOVIE CAMERA AND I WENT TO THE SCOUT MAST
CAMERA, KODAK MOVIE CAMERA AND I WENT TO THE SCOUT MAST HE AND SAID WHAT IF I TOLD
AND I WENT TO THE SCOUT MAST HE AND SAID WHAT IF I TOLD THE STORY WITH THE
HE AND SAID WHAT IF I TOLD THE STORY WITH THE 8-MILLIMETER MOVIE CAMERA,
THE STORY WITH THE 8-MILLIMETER MOVIE CAMERA, CAN I STILL GET THE MERIT
8-MILLIMETER MOVIE CAMERA, CAN I STILL GET THE MERIT BADGE AND HE AHEAD GO AHEAD.
CAN I STILL GET THE MERIT BADGE AND HE AHEAD GO AHEAD. HAD HE IN ORDER TOLD ME IT
BADGE AND HE AHEAD GO AHEAD. HAD HE IN ORDER TOLD ME IT WAS OKAY TO USE THE MOVIE
HAD HE IN ORDER TOLD ME IT WAS OKAY TO USE THE MOVIE CAMERA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT
WAS OKAY TO USE THE MOVIE CAMERA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAVE BECOME OF ME!
CAMERA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAVE BECOME OF ME! BUT HE RELEASED ME TO MAKE
WOULD HAVE BECOME OF ME! BUT HE RELEASED ME TO MAKE THE FILM MOVIE.
BUT HE RELEASED ME TO MAKE THE FILM MOVIE. I TOOK ALL MY FRIENDS OUT TO
THE FILM MOVIE. I TOOK ALL MY FRIENDS OUT TO THE DESERT -- I WAS RAISED IN
I TOOK ALL MY FRIENDS OUT TO THE DESERT -- I WAS RAISED IN ARIZONA, PHOENIX, ARIZONA,
THE DESERT -- I WAS RAISED IN ARIZONA, PHOENIX, ARIZONA, WHICH IS A GREAT WESTERN
ARIZONA, PHOENIX, ARIZONA, WHICH IS A GREAT WESTERN COWBOY COUNTRY, AND MADE THIS
WHICH IS A GREAT WESTERN COWBOY COUNTRY, AND MADE THIS MOVIE, CALLED GUN SMOG.
COWBOY COUNTRY, AND MADE THIS MOVIE, CALLED GUN SMOG. >> [LAUGHTER]
MOVIE, CALLED GUN SMOG. >> [LAUGHTER] >> THREE MINUTES LONG, NO
>> [LAUGHTER] >> THREE MINUTES LONG, NO EDITING EQUIPMENT.
>> THREE MINUTES LONG, NO EDITING EQUIPMENT. I CUT THE WHOLE THING IN THE
EDITING EQUIPMENT. I CUT THE WHOLE THING IN THE CAMERA, A SHOT OF THE GOOD
I CUT THE WHOLE THING IN THE CAMERA, A SHOT OF THE GOOD GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOPPED
CAMERA, A SHOT OF THE GOOD GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOPPED THE CAMERA, SHOT OF THE BAD
GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOPPED THE CAMERA, SHOT OF THE BAD GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOP THE
THE CAMERA, SHOT OF THE BAD GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOP THE CAMERA, RUN BACK 20 YARDS,
GUY FIRING HIS GUN, STOP THE CAMERA, RUN BACK 20 YARDS, GOT THEM BOTH IN THE SHOT,
CAMERA, RUN BACK 20 YARDS, GOT THEM BOTH IN THE SHOT, THEY BOTH FALL DEAD.
GOT THEM BOTH IN THE SHOT, THEY BOTH FALL DEAD. THAT'S IT.
THEY BOTH FALL DEAD. THAT'S IT. TOOK THE FILM, SHOWED IT TO
THAT'S IT. TOOK THE FILM, SHOWED IT TO THE ENTIRE TROOP, BECAUSE WE
TOOK THE FILM, SHOWED IT TO THE ENTIRE TROOP, BECAUSE WE HAD OUR TROOP MEETINGS ON
THE ENTIRE TROOP, BECAUSE WE HAD OUR TROOP MEETINGS ON FRIDAY NIGHTS, DEVOTED TO ALL
HAD OUR TROOP MEETINGS ON FRIDAY NIGHTS, DEVOTED TO ALL -- SHOWED IT TO ALL 60 BOY
FRIDAY NIGHTS, DEVOTED TO ALL -- SHOWED IT TO ALL 60 BOY SCOUTS AND THEY APHRAU
-- SHOWED IT TO ALL 60 BOY SCOUTS AND THEY APHRAU DOLLARS, THEY LAUGHED AND
SCOUTS AND THEY APHRAU DOLLARS, THEY LAUGHED AND THAT WAS THE END OF ME AS A
DOLLARS, THEY LAUGHED AND THAT WAS THE END OF ME AS A CIVILIAN.
THAT WAS THE END OF ME AS A CIVILIAN. >> [LAUGHTER]
CIVILIAN. >> [LAUGHTER] >> THAT WAS THE END OF THAT.
>> [LAUGHTER] >> THAT WAS THE END OF THAT. THAT'S TRUE.
>> THAT WAS THE END OF THAT. THAT'S TRUE. >> WHAT IS ONE STORY FROM THE
THAT'S TRUE. >> WHAT IS ONE STORY FROM THE LINCOLN SET THAT YOU WILL
>> WHAT IS ONE STORY FROM THE LINCOLN SET THAT YOU WILL TELL PEOPLE FOR THE REST OF
LINCOLN SET THAT YOU WILL TELL PEOPLE FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE?
TELL PEOPLE FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE? IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE
YOUR LIFE? IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE PROCESS, DORIS, THE WHOLE
IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE PROCESS, DORIS, THE WHOLE PROCESS THAT YOU CHERISH OR
PROCESS, DORIS, THE WHOLE PROCESS THAT YOU CHERISH OR REMEMBER?
PROCESS THAT YOU CHERISH OR REMEMBER? >> I THINK WHAT I'VE WATCHED
REMEMBER? >> I THINK WHAT I'VE WATCHED HAPPEN -- WRITING ITSELF IS A
>> I THINK WHAT I'VE WATCHED HAPPEN -- WRITING ITSELF IS A MORE SOLITARY EXPERIENCE, AND
HAPPEN -- WRITING ITSELF IS A MORE SOLITARY EXPERIENCE, AND I'M LUCKY THAT MY HUSBAND IS
MORE SOLITARY EXPERIENCE, AND I'M LUCKY THAT MY HUSBAND IS ALSO A WRITER SO WE CAN BOTH
I'M LUCKY THAT MY HUSBAND IS ALSO A WRITER SO WE CAN BOTH BE WRITING IN VARIOUS PARTS
ALSO A WRITER SO WE CAN BOTH BE WRITING IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE HOUSE.
BE WRITING IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE HOUSE. BUT WHAT I SEE HAPPENING WITH
OF THE HOUSE. BUT WHAT I SEE HAPPENING WITH THE MOVIE MAKING EXPERIENCE
BUT WHAT I SEE HAPPENING WITH THE MOVIE MAKING EXPERIENCE IS HOW COLLABORATIVE IT IS.
THE MOVIE MAKING EXPERIENCE IS HOW COLLABORATIVE IT IS. AND TO HAVE BEEN A PART OF A
IS HOW COLLABORATIVE IT IS. AND TO HAVE BEEN A PART OF A TEAM AND TO HAVE HAD TONY AND
AND TO HAVE BEEN A PART OF A TEAM AND TO HAVE HAD TONY AND STEVEN AND DANIEL AND CHRISTY
TEAM AND TO HAVE HAD TONY AND STEVEN AND DANIEL AND CHRISTY ALLOW ME TO BE PART OF IT, IT
STEVEN AND DANIEL AND CHRISTY ALLOW ME TO BE PART OF IT, IT MADE ME REALIZE I WASN'T
ALLOW ME TO BE PART OF IT, IT MADE ME REALIZE I WASN'T TEASING TOTALLY WHEN I SAID
MADE ME REALIZE I WASN'T TEASING TOTALLY WHEN I SAID JEALOUS, BECAUSE THERE'S
TEASING TOTALLY WHEN I SAID JEALOUS, BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THAT GROUP
JEALOUS, BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THAT GROUP EXPERIENCE.
SOMETHING ABOUT THAT GROUP EXPERIENCE. I MEAN, MY PERSONALITY IS
EXPERIENCE. I MEAN, MY PERSONALITY IS MUCH MORE SUITED FOR THAT
I MEAN, MY PERSONALITY IS MUCH MORE SUITED FOR THAT THAN -- I NEVER WOULD HAVE
MUCH MORE SUITED FOR THAT THAN -- I NEVER WOULD HAVE IMAGINED MYSELF A WRITER, TO
THAN -- I NEVER WOULD HAVE IMAGINED MYSELF A WRITER, TO GO BACK TO THE QUESTION.
IMAGINED MYSELF A WRITER, TO GO BACK TO THE QUESTION. I TOO MUCH WANT TO BE WITH
GO BACK TO THE QUESTION. I TOO MUCH WANT TO BE WITH PEOPLE ALL THE TIME BUT I SIT
I TOO MUCH WANT TO BE WITH PEOPLE ALL THE TIME BUT I SIT THERE BY MYSELF BECAUSE MY
PEOPLE ALL THE TIME BUT I SIT THERE BY MYSELF BECAUSE MY HUSBAND IS IN THE OTHER ROOM
THERE BY MYSELF BECAUSE MY HUSBAND IS IN THE OTHER ROOM SITTING BY MYSELF, BUT THAT'S
HUSBAND IS IN THE OTHER ROOM SITTING BY MYSELF, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WILL TREASURE, THE
SITTING BY MYSELF, BUT THAT'S WHAT I WILL TREASURE, THE FACT THAT I WAS ABLE TO BE
WHAT I WILL TREASURE, THE FACT THAT I WAS ABLE TO BE PART OF SOMETHING THAT
FACT THAT I WAS ABLE TO BE PART OF SOMETHING THAT PRODUCED SOMETHING THAT I
PART OF SOMETHING THAT PRODUCED SOMETHING THAT I COULD HAVE NEVER PRODUCED
PRODUCED SOMETHING THAT I COULD HAVE NEVER PRODUCED ALONE, AND THAT'S AN
COULD HAVE NEVER PRODUCED ALONE, AND THAT'S AN INCREDIBLE FEELING, AND
ALONE, AND THAT'S AN INCREDIBLE FEELING, AND THAT'S WHAT -- IF I WANT TO
INCREDIBLE FEELING, AND THAT'S WHAT -- IF I WANT TO GET MAUDLIN NOW, THAT'S WHAT
THAT'S WHAT -- IF I WANT TO GET MAUDLIN NOW, THAT'S WHAT THE FILM WAS ABOUT.
GET MAUDLIN NOW, THAT'S WHAT THE FILM WAS ABOUT. IN A CERTAIN SENSE, LINCOLN
THE FILM WAS ABOUT. IN A CERTAIN SENSE, LINCOLN WAS ABLE TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE
IN A CERTAIN SENSE, LINCOLN WAS ABLE TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE DO SOMETHING THAT THEY
WAS ABLE TO MAKE THESE PEOPLE DO SOMETHING THAT THEY COULDN'T DO INDIVIDUALLY.
DO SOMETHING THAT THEY COULDN'T DO INDIVIDUALLY. THAT'S THE MYSTERY OF
COULDN'T DO INDIVIDUALLY. THAT'S THE MYSTERY OF LEADERSHIP.
THAT'S THE MYSTERY OF LEADERSHIP. AND THEY PERFORMED TOGETHER
LEADERSHIP. AND THEY PERFORMED TOGETHER AND THE COUNTRY WITH PERFORM
AND THEY PERFORMED TOGETHER AND THE COUNTRY WITH PERFORM -- CAN PERFORM TOGETHER AND
AND THE COUNTRY WITH PERFORM -- CAN PERFORM TOGETHER AND FOR GOD'S SAKE, IF THERE IS
-- CAN PERFORM TOGETHER AND FOR GOD'S SAKE, IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT CAN BE A SYMBOL
FOR GOD'S SAKE, IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT CAN BE A SYMBOL TO THE FUTURE IS WE'VE GOT TO
ANYTHING THAT CAN BE A SYMBOL TO THE FUTURE IS WE'VE GOT TO DO IT AGAIN.
TO THE FUTURE IS WE'VE GOT TO DO IT AGAIN. >> [APPLAUSE]
DO IT AGAIN. >> [APPLAUSE] >> TONY, ANYTHING FROM YOUR
>> [APPLAUSE] >> TONY, ANYTHING FROM YOUR RESEARCH THAT YOU CAN LAY OUT
>> TONY, ANYTHING FROM YOUR RESEARCH THAT YOU CAN LAY OUT AS ADVICE FOR TODAY'S
RESEARCH THAT YOU CAN LAY OUT AS ADVICE FOR TODAY'S POLITICIANS?
AS ADVICE FOR TODAY'S POLITICIANS? >> CAN I TELL MY STORY FROM
POLITICIANS? >> CAN I TELL MY STORY FROM THE SET?
>> CAN I TELL MY STORY FROM THE SET? >> [LAUGHTER]
THE SET? >> [LAUGHTER] >> FOR ME, THE THING THAT I
>> [LAUGHTER] >> FOR ME, THE THING THAT I -- I WAS THERE THE WHOLE
>> FOR ME, THE THING THAT I -- I WAS THERE THE WHOLE TIME, BUT I DIDN'T TALK TO
-- I WAS THERE THE WHOLE TIME, BUT I DIDN'T TALK TO DANIEL, BECAUSE I WAS THE
TIME, BUT I DIDN'T TALK TO DANIEL, BECAUSE I WAS THE WRITER, AND YOU KNOW, WE
DANIEL, BECAUSE I WAS THE WRITER, AND YOU KNOW, WE TEXTED WITH ONE ANOTHER AND I
WRITER, AND YOU KNOW, WE TEXTED WITH ONE ANOTHER AND I CALLED MYSELF YOUR META
TEXTED WITH ONE ANOTHER AND I CALLED MYSELF YOUR META PHYSICAL CONUNDRUM BECAUSE I
CALLED MYSELF YOUR META PHYSICAL CONUNDRUM BECAUSE I SHOULDN'T HAVE EXISTED, AND I
PHYSICAL CONUNDRUM BECAUSE I SHOULDN'T HAVE EXISTED, AND I TRIED MOSTLY TO STAY OUT OF
SHOULDN'T HAVE EXISTED, AND I TRIED MOSTLY TO STAY OUT OF HIS WAY DURING THE FILMING.
TRIED MOSTLY TO STAY OUT OF HIS WAY DURING THE FILMING. WE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY FOR
HIS WAY DURING THE FILMING. WE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY FOR THE WEEK BEFORE, BUT THEN WE
WE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY FOR THE WEEK BEFORE, BUT THEN WE SORT OF AGREED THAT I WOULD
THE WEEK BEFORE, BUT THEN WE SORT OF AGREED THAT I WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW -- WE PUT A
SORT OF AGREED THAT I WOULD NOT, YOU KNOW -- WE PUT A TEXT THAT I WOULDN'T LIKE GO
NOT, YOU KNOW -- WE PUT A TEXT THAT I WOULDN'T LIKE GO UP TO HIM AND WHEN WE WERE
TEXT THAT I WOULDN'T LIKE GO UP TO HIM AND WHEN WE WERE FILMING IN PETERSBURG ONE
UP TO HIM AND WHEN WE WERE FILMING IN PETERSBURG ONE DAY, IT'S HARD TO DESCRIBE,
FILMING IN PETERSBURG ONE DAY, IT'S HARD TO DESCRIBE, BUT I WAS WALKING' THE STREET
DAY, IT'S HARD TO DESCRIBE, BUT I WAS WALKING' THE STREET AND THERE WERE ALL THESE GUYS
BUT I WAS WALKING' THE STREET AND THERE WERE ALL THESE GUYS STANDING AROUND, PLAYING
AND THERE WERE ALL THESE GUYS STANDING AROUND, PLAYING UNION SOLDIERS, AND THEY WERE
STANDING AROUND, PLAYING UNION SOLDIERS, AND THEY WERE SORT OF LINING THE STREET AND
UNION SOLDIERS, AND THEY WERE SORT OF LINING THE STREET AND I WAS WALKING UP THE STREET
SORT OF LINING THE STREET AND I WAS WALKING UP THE STREET WITH MY CUP OF COFFEE AND
I WAS WALKING UP THE STREET WITH MY CUP OF COFFEE AND DANIEL TURNED THE CORNER,
WITH MY CUP OF COFFEE AND DANIEL TURNED THE CORNER, DRESSED AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN,
DANIEL TURNED THE CORNER, DRESSED AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN, COMING AT ME AND I HAD TO
DRESSED AS ABRAHAM LINCOLN, COMING AT ME AND I HAD TO HIDE, SO I DUCKED BEHIND ONE
COMING AT ME AND I HAD TO HIDE, SO I DUCKED BEHIND ONE OF THE EXTRAS, THIS KID, AND
HIDE, SO I DUCKED BEHIND ONE OF THE EXTRAS, THIS KID, AND I SORT OF DUCKED DOWN, AND HE
OF THE EXTRAS, THIS KID, AND I SORT OF DUCKED DOWN, AND HE TURNED AROUND AND SAID WHAT'S
I SORT OF DUCKED DOWN, AND HE TURNED AROUND AND SAID WHAT'S WRONG, AND I SAID TURN
TURNED AROUND AND SAID WHAT'S WRONG, AND I SAID TURN AROUND, TURN AROUND, FACE
WRONG, AND I SAID TURN AROUND, TURN AROUND, FACE FORWARD, AND HE SAID WELL,
AROUND, TURN AROUND, FACE FORWARD, AND HE SAID WELL, WHY, WHAT DID YOU -- WHAT DID
FORWARD, AND HE SAID WELL, WHY, WHAT DID YOU -- WHAT DID YOU DO, WHAT'S WRONG?
WHY, WHAT DID YOU -- WHAT DID YOU DO, WHAT'S WRONG? >> I SAID I DON'T WANT TO BE
YOU DO, WHAT'S WRONG? >> I SAID I DON'T WANT TO BE SEEN.
>> I SAID I DON'T WANT TO BE SEEN. I CAN'T BE SEEN BY THE
SEEN. I CAN'T BE SEEN BY THE PRESIDENT.
I CAN'T BE SEEN BY THE PRESIDENT. >> HE SAID WHY, WHAT DID YOU
PRESIDENT. >> HE SAID WHY, WHAT DID YOU DO?
>> HE SAID WHY, WHAT DID YOU DO? >> I SAID I WROTE THE SCRIPT.
DO? >> I SAID I WROTE THE SCRIPT. >> [LAUGHTER]
>> I SAID I WROTE THE SCRIPT. >> [LAUGHTER] >> I THINK OF THE MOMENT THAT
>> [LAUGHTER] >> I THINK OF THE MOMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE REPEATED
>> I THINK OF THE MOMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE REPEATED AND I THINK I HAVE SEEN IT
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE REPEATED AND I THINK I HAVE SEEN IT REPEATED, IT'S ALSO ONE OF MY
AND I THINK I HAVE SEEN IT REPEATED, IT'S ALSO ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOMENTS, IS MICHAEL
REPEATED, IT'S ALSO ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOMENTS, IS MICHAEL STULBACH, WHO -- THE GORGEOUS
FAVORITE MOMENTS, IS MICHAEL STULBACH, WHO -- THE GORGEOUS THING HE DOES, HE STARTS
STULBACH, WHO -- THE GORGEOUS THING HE DOES, HE STARTS TALKING TO HIMSELF BEFORE HE
THING HE DOES, HE STARTS TALKING TO HIMSELF BEFORE HE TELLS AYE, AND THEN THAT
TALKING TO HIMSELF BEFORE HE TELLS AYE, AND THEN THAT MOMENT, WHEN THEY'RE ALL
TELLS AYE, AND THEN THAT MOMENT, WHEN THEY'RE ALL SINGING THE BATTLE CRY OF
MOMENT, WHEN THEY'RE ALL SINGING THE BATTLE CRY OF FREEDOM AFTER THE AMENDMENT
SINGING THE BATTLE CRY OF FREEDOM AFTER THE AMENDMENT PASSES, AND HE SORT OF IS
FREEDOM AFTER THE AMENDMENT PASSES, AND HE SORT OF IS WALKING AROUND, LOOKING LIKE
PASSES, AND HE SORT OF IS WALKING AROUND, LOOKING LIKE HE HAS JUST BEEN TRANSPORTED
WALKING AROUND, LOOKING LIKE HE HAS JUST BEEN TRANSPORTED TO PARADISE OR SOME STRANGE
HE HAS JUST BEEN TRANSPORTED TO PARADISE OR SOME STRANGE -- HE LOOKS COMPLETELY
TO PARADISE OR SOME STRANGE -- HE LOOKS COMPLETELY ASTOUNDED AND DELIGHTED AND
-- HE LOOKS COMPLETELY ASTOUNDED AND DELIGHTED AND YOU GET A GORGEOUS PORTRAIT
ASTOUNDED AND DELIGHTED AND YOU GET A GORGEOUS PORTRAIT OF SOMEBODY TAKING A DEEP
YOU GET A GORGEOUS PORTRAIT OF SOMEBODY TAKING A DEEP BREATH AND STEPPING INTO THE
OF SOMEBODY TAKING A DEEP BREATH AND STEPPING INTO THE UNKNOWN, SURPRISING HIMSELF,
BREATH AND STEPPING INTO THE UNKNOWN, SURPRISING HIMSELF, LETTING GO, STEVEN, AS YOU
UNKNOWN, SURPRISING HIMSELF, LETTING GO, STEVEN, AS YOU WERE SAYING, IDEOLOGICAL
LETTING GO, STEVEN, AS YOU WERE SAYING, IDEOLOGICAL STACKELS AND FOLLOWING THE
WERE SAYING, IDEOLOGICAL STACKELS AND FOLLOWING THE BETTER ANGEL, HIS NATURE, AND
STACKELS AND FOLLOWING THE BETTER ANGEL, HIS NATURE, AND DARING BE AFRAID AND IN A NEW
BETTER ANGEL, HIS NATURE, AND DARING BE AFRAID AND IN A NEW WORLD, IN THE INTEREST OF
DARING BE AFRAID AND IN A NEW WORLD, IN THE INTEREST OF JUSTICE.
WORLD, IN THE INTEREST OF JUSTICE. AND ADVANCING HUMAN DIGNITY.
JUSTICE. AND ADVANCING HUMAN DIGNITY. I THINK THAT'S A LOVELY
AND ADVANCING HUMAN DIGNITY. I THINK THAT'S A LOVELY MOMENT, AND I DON'T THINK
I THINK THAT'S A LOVELY MOMENT, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SENTIMENTAL.
MOMENT, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SENTIMENTAL. I THINK THAT IN OUR COUNTRY'S
IT'S SENTIMENTAL. I THINK THAT IN OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY, PEOPLE HAVE DONE
I THINK THAT IN OUR COUNTRY'S HISTORY, PEOPLE HAVE DONE THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN,
HISTORY, PEOPLE HAVE DONE THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THEY'VE SURPRISED THEMSELVES,
THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THEY'VE SURPRISED THEMSELVES, THEY'VE SURRENDERED PRIVILEGE
THEY'VE SURPRISED THEMSELVES, THEY'VE SURRENDERED PRIVILEGE IN THE NAME OF FAIRNESS AND
THEY'VE SURRENDERED PRIVILEGE IN THE NAME OF FAIRNESS AND DECENCY AND DEMOCRACY, AND I
IN THE NAME OF FAIRNESS AND DECENCY AND DEMOCRACY, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF MY
DECENCY AND DEMOCRACY, AND I THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOMENTS IN THE MOVIE
THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE MOMENTS IN THE MOVIE AND SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE
FAVORITE MOMENTS IN THE MOVIE AND SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE REPEATED MORE.
AND SOMETHING THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE REPEATED MORE. >> [APPLAUSE]
TO SEE REPEATED MORE. >> [APPLAUSE] >> OKAY.
>> [APPLAUSE] >> OKAY. AND THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION
>> OKAY. AND THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE HERE, IT SAYS WHEN
AND THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE HERE, IT SAYS WHEN YOU'RE PICKING UP YOUR
I HAVE HERE, IT SAYS WHEN YOU'RE PICKING UP YOUR WELL-DESERVED GOLDEN GLOBE
YOU'RE PICKING UP YOUR WELL-DESERVED GOLDEN GLOBE AND OSCARS, HOW ABOUT A SHOUT
WELL-DESERVED GOLDEN GLOBE AND OSCARS, HOW ABOUT A SHOUT OUT TO OUR FRIENDS IN
AND OSCARS, HOW ABOUT A SHOUT OUT TO OUR FRIENDS IN RICHMOND!
OUT TO OUR FRIENDS IN RICHMOND! >> [APPLAUSE]
RICHMOND! >> [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
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