Formal 08/28/12 Session - Norfolk City Council


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>>> COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF NORFOLK IS NOW IN SESSION.
PLEASE REMAINING STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
APPRECIATE IT. >> DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK
YOU FOR THIS DAY AND FOR YOUR MANY DISPLAYS OF LOVE THROUGH
TANGIBLE AND INTANGIBLE BLESSINGS TOO NUMEROUS TO
MEASURE. BLESS THE CITY OF NORFOLK AND
EVERY CITIZEN WHO RESIDES WITHIN IT'S BOUNDARIES AND EVERY CITY
EMPLOYEE WHO WORKS TO MAKE OUR CITY GREAT.
FATHER, BLESS OUR MAYOR, OUR CITY MANAGER AND THIS COUNCIL AS
WE LABOR TOGETHER IN THE CALLING OF PLUCK SERVICE.
GIVE USá-- PUBLIC SERVICE. GIVE US THE WISDOM TO GOVERN
FAIRLY AND ETHICALLY WITH EQUALITY, INTEGRITY, AND
COMPASSION, AND ALLOW US TO REPRESENT OUR CITY IN A SPIRIT
OF EXCELLENCE. I PRAY YOU WILL GUIDE US THROUGH
THESE DIFFICULT ECONOMIC TIMES AND GIVE US THE STRENGTH AND
WISDOM WE NEED TO MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT FACE US.
THESE AND ALL OTHER BLESSINGS WE ASK IN YOUR SON'S NAME.
AMEN. >> AMEN.
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION
UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
>> THANK YOU. THANKS VERY MUCH.
CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
>> MR. BURFOOT. >> HERE.
>> MR.áPROTOGYROU. >> HERE.
>> MR.áSMIGIEL. >> HERE.
>> DR.áWHIBLEY. >> HERE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> HERE.
>> MR.áWINN. >> HERE.
>> MR.áFRAIM. >> HERE.
MOEX TO EXCUSE MR. RIDDICK PLEASE.
>> MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR.áPROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS.áWILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
>> MOTION IS TO DISPENSE WITH THE READING OF THE MINUTES OF
THE PREVIOUS MEETING. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR.áPROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR.áSMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR.áWHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR.áWINN.
>> AYE. >> MR.áFRAIM.
>> AYE. >> READ THE RESOLUTION OF THE
CLOSED MEETING. >> A RESOLUTION CERTIFYING A
CLOSED MEETING OF THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF NORFOLK HELD IN
ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF
INFORMATION ACT. ADOPT THE RESOLUTION.
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AND WELCOME TO THE
NORFOLK CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THANKS FOR COMING OUT ON THIS
RAINY NIGHT. STORY WE'RE GETTING STARTEDá--
SORRY WE'RE GETTING STARTED A LITTLE LATE, BUT I PROMISE YOU
WE WERE DOING THE CITY'S BUSINESS DOWN BELOW BEFORE WE
STEPPED UP HERE. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DO NOT
REGULARLY ATTEND OUR COUNCIL SESSIONS, THE PROCESS WE'LL
FOLLOW IS THE FIRST THING WE DO IS TAKE UP THE PUBLIC HEARINGS
AND I THINK THERE ARE THREE OF THOSE MATTERS I'M SORRY, THERE'S
SIX AND THEN WE MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, PROBABLY VOTE ON
ALL THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS AT ONE TIME AND THEN MOVE TO THE
REGULAR AGENDA. WE'LL VOTE ON ALL THESE MATTERS
IN JUST THE WAY THEY ARE NUMBER ON THE PRINTED DOCKET.
AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE REGULAR AGENDA, IF ANY MEMBER OF THE
PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON A NON-AGENDA
ITEM, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON OUR PRINTED DOCKET, YOU WILL BE
GIVEN THAT OPPORTUNITY AND A NUMBER OF YOU HAVE ELECTED TO DO
THAT. ALL YOU NEED TO DO TO GET YOUR
NAME CALLED IS SIGN A SLIP OF PAPER WHICH THE CLERK HAS MADE
AVAILABLE IN THE WAITING ROOM OUTSIDE OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS
BEFORE THE MEETING BEGAN. SO THOSE ARE THE RULES.
IF THERE ARE NO CEREMONIAL MATTERS, SO THE FIRST THING
WE'RE GOING TO DO IS MOVE DIRECTLY TO PUBLIC HEARING
NUMBER ONE, PLEASE. >> PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED THIS
DAY PURSUANT TO ACTION OF THE COUNCIL ON JULY 10, 2012, UNDER
THE STATE LAW, ON THE APPLICATION OF THE CITY PLANNING
COMMISSION TO AMEND THE GENERAL PLAN AND THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF
NORFOLK 1992, TO CREATE DEFINITIONS FOR CHARACTER
DISTRICTS WITHIN THE CITY AND SHOW THEIR LOCATION.
BY 6-1 VOTE, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
>> THE FIRST THING WE'D LIKE TO DO, MR.áMANAGER, IS TO HAVE A
BRIEF PRESENTATION BY THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, FRANK
DUKE. FRANK, WILL TELL YOU USá-- COME
UP HERE FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC AND THE COUNCIL, HOW WE
GOT TO ARE WITH WE ARE, AND HOW THE ORDINANCE IS DRAFTED,
PLEASE. >> YES, MR.áMAYOR.
FIRST LET ME STRESS THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'VE JUST
COME UP WITH IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS.
THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT COUNCIL ASKED US TO LOOK AT SEVERAL
YEARS AGO. ANY CITY THAT HAS DEVELOPED OVER
TIME OBVIOUSLY HAS DEVELOPED WITH DIFFERENT PATTERNS,
DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THAT LOCALITY
REFLECTING THE PREVALENT DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS AT THE
TIME IT WAS DEVELOPED. AND NORFOLK IS NO DIFFERENT FROM
ANY OTHER CITY IN THAT REGARD. OUR CURRENT ORDINANCES, HOWEVER,
ARE ALL DRAFTED AS THOUGH THIS IS A SUBURBAN PLACE.
I BELIEVE MR. BURFOOT WAS THE PERSON WHO ASKED ME SEVERAL
YEARS AGO, CAN'T YOU FIGURE OUT A WAY TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE
VERY URBAN PARTS OF THIS CITY INSTEAD OF CONTINUING TO
REGULATE EVERYTHING AS PART OF THE SUBURBAN PLACE?
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS IS THE BEGINNING STEP OF.
THIS IS NOT A REGULATORY CHANGE WE'RE MAKING AT THIS TIME.
THIS IS A PLANNING PROCESS THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW.
THE REGULATORY PROCESSES WILL HAVE TO COME LATER.
I WISH I COULD TELL YOU THIS IS GOING TO BE THE END, THE FINAL
VOTE ON THIS. IT IS NOT.
YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE THIS ISSUE COME UP AS WE LOOK AT
TRYING TO REVISE SOME OF OUR ORDINANCES, PARTICULARLY
ORDINANCES THAT COUNCIL HAS SAID YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT REGARDING
PARKING AND OPEN SPACE. BUT THE FIRST STEP IS TO DEFINE
THE BOUNDARIES BECAUSE ONCE WE HAVE THE BOUNDARIES DEFINED, WE
THEN WILL BE ABLE TO PLACE THOSE BOUNDARIES ON THE MAP TO BEGIN
TO SET UP THAT REGULATORY STEP. SO THE FIRST STEP AS PLANNING
STEP. THE ORDINANCEá-- YOU'VE TWO
ORDINANCES IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.
THE FIRST ONE IS SIMPLY TO APPROVE A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT
THAT IN GENERAL AREAS DEPICTS WHAT SHOULD BE OR WHAT WEá-- THE
PLANNING COMMISSION HAS RECOMMENDED TO YOU SHOULD BE THE
BOUNDARIES FOR THE CHARACTER DISTRICTS .
IT IS NOT DEFINED AS ANY LEGAL BOUNDARIES, ALTHOUGH THAT WILL
HAVE TO BE DONE AS THE NEXT STEP OF THIS PR SES.
BUT THIS IS IS A GENERAL IMAGE, THE GENERAL MAP REVISION SAYING
THESE ARE THE GENERAL AREASES OF OUR CITY THAT HAVE THE
CHARACTERISTICS OF DOWNTOWN, THESE ARE GENERALLY PLACES THAT
WERE DEVELOPED IN THE 19th CENTURY OR EARLIER, PLACES THAT
ARE URBAN, WHICH ARE LARGELY THOSE PLACES THAT WERE DEVELOPED
PRIOR TO THE 1950s. THEY ARE LARGELY THE OLDER
NEIGHBORHOODS OF OUR CITY AND PLACES THAT ARE MORE SUBURBAN,
THE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED ESSENTIALLY IN THE
LAST HALF OF THE 20th CENTURY. SO THE FIRST THING IS JUST DO WE
HAVE THE BOUNDARIES RIGHT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION BY A
VOTE OF 6-1 HAS SAID THESE ARE THE CORRECT BOUNDARIES.
CAN YOU CHANGE THOSE BOUNDARIES TODAY?
ABSOLUTELY. YOU JUST SIMPLY WOULD HAVE TO
TELL US YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE BOUNDARIES CHANGED, AND WE
WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO CHANGE THE ATTACHMENT
OR THE EXHIBIT TO THAT ORDINANCE AND WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
SECOND PART OF THIS IS PURELY A DEFINITIONS CHANGE, DEFINING
WHAT IS URBAN, WHAT IS SUBURBAN, AND WHAT IS DOWNTOWN.
ONCE WE HAVE THIS GENERAL MAP PLANNING AMENDMENT TAKEN CARE OF
AND WE HAVE THESE DEFINITIONS IN MACE, WE WOULD THEN BE BRINGING
FORWARDS TO YOU THE NEXT OF THESE ORDINANCES, WHICH WE ARE
WORKING ON, AND THAT WOULD DEAL WITH PARKING CHANGES, AGAIN
REFLECTING THE GENERAL CHARACTER OF THE AREAS OF THE CITY SO THAT
WE DO NOT TRY TO APPLY ONE SIZE FITS ALL ACROSS ALL OF NORFOLK.
>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR
MR.áDUKE? >> FRANK, MANY PEOPLE ARE
CONFUSED THAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DOING THE
BOUNDARIES. WE'RE NOT DOING THE BOUNDARIES
AND THE SPECIFICS OF THE PARKING AND GREEN SPACE AT THE SAME
TIME. CAN YOU MAKE THAT CLEAR TO THEM
THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE ABLE TO DO?
>> IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN DO BECAUSE IN ORDER TO BEGIN
REFINING THOSE REGULATORY CHANGES, I'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO
HAVE A LEGAL DEFINITION OF THE AREAS WHERE THEY WOULD TAKE
EFFECT. SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO
CREATE A LEGAL DEFINITION. WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN WORKING WITH
THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO CREATE THAT LEGAL DEFINITION,
LOOKING AT THE BOUNDARIES THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS
RECOMMENDED. ONCE WE HAVE THESE GENERAL
BOUNDARIES, WE CAN CREATE THE LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS SO THAT WE
CAN THEN BEGIN TO CREATE THOSE REGULATORY CHANGES AND HAVE THEM
IN FRONT OF YOU. >> IF I MAY, I THINK WHAT
MR.áDUKE MEANS IS A LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF METES AND BOUNDS.
THE USE OF THE MAP TODAY IS LEGAL, BUT IT'S NOT METES AND
BOUNDS. >> MR.áPISHKO IS CORRECT.
THANK YOU, BERNARD. >> OKAY, FRANK.
STAND BY, WE MAY WANT TO ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS.
>> I HAVE ONE. >> SURE.
>> FRANK, I LOOKED AT THE DROPBOX AND I'VE GOT MAP UPON
MAP UPON MAP. I CAN'T FIGURE OUTá-- AND MAYBE
IT'S JUSTá-- I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHICH ONEá-- THERE'S ONE THAT
SAYS STAFF AND I APOLOGIZE, ONE SAYS CPC RECOMMENDATION.
ANOTHER SAYS ADMINISTRATION RECOMMENDATION.
ANOTHER ONE SAYS STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
ANOTHER ONE SAYSá-- AND THEN THERE'S A DIFFERENT ONE.
FRANK, WHICH ONE ARE WEá-- WHICH ONE ARE YOU ASKING USá-- WHICH
IS THE 6-1 VOTE OF PLANNING? >> THE PLANNING COMMISSION
RECOMMENDATION IS THE MAP THAT IS SHOWN ON YOUR ATTACHMENTS AS
CPC RECOMMENDATION. AND THIS IS THAT MAP.
THE SECOND MAP YOU HAVE IS THE VOTE THAT THE MINORITY OF THE
PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED, WHICH INCLUDED TWO PROPERTIES
THAT THE MAJORITY OF PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT RECOMMEND.
>> ALL RIGHT. SO I CAN GET THIS RIGHT, CPC
RECOMMENDATION, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROPERTIES ON
THE NORTH SIDE OF BRAMBLETON WHERE THE HAGUE MEDICAL BUILDING
AND IT'S THE HAGUE TOWER. >> YES, SIR.
>> AND IT'S THE RED CROSS BUILDING.
>> AND THE RED CROSS. >> THAT WAS NOT IN THE CPC
RECOMMENDATION, NOR WAS THAT IN THE MINORITY RECOMMENDATION.
THAT IS SHOWING, WHEN YOU SEE THE ADMINISTRATION
RECOMMENDATION, AND THAT IS BECAUSE AFTER BRIEFING COUNCIL,
YOU HAD ASKED DO I HAVE AN EASY CATEGORY WHERE THE RED CROSS
BUILDING COULD FIT IN AND THE ANSWER IS NO.
IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS PART OF DOWNTOWN, SO IT WAS THE EASIEST
WAY TO KEEP THEM WHOLE. WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AND
WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS RECOMMENDING IS THE GRAPHIC THAT
IS RELATES TO DOWNTOWN OF THE URBAN AREAS THAT IS SHOWN AS THE
ADMINISTRATION RECOMMENDATION. THAT IS ALSO CONSISTENT, YOU
LOOK AT THE ATTACHMENT TO THE ORDINANCE WITH THE GRAPHIC THAT
IS SHOWN THERE, WHICH IS CITYWIDE, BECAUSE THOSE OTHER
MAPS ARE SIMPLY BLOW-UPS OF THE AREA WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN THE
GREATEST CONVERSATION AND THE GREATEST CONTENTION.
>> MR.áPRESIDENT, ARE THE ATTACHMENTS TO ORDINANCES
LABELED CD 6 CHARACTER DISTRICTS?
I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR ANSWER TO DR. WHIBLEY, BUT THE
RED CROSS IS INCLUDED DOWNTOWN IN THE CD-6 CHARACTERISTIC
DISTRICT ATTACHMENT. >> AND WE'RE VOTING ON STAFF
RECOMMENDATION AND ADMINISTRATIVE RECOMMENDATION.
>> THE ADMINISTRATION RECOMMENDATION IS WHAT WE HAVE
IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT YES, AGAIN, AS I INDICATED, WE HAVE SPOKEN
TO THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND YOU CAN MAKE MODIFICATIONS IN THIS
MAP TONIGHT AND THAT THEN WILL BE THE BASIS FOR THE REGULATORY
CHANGES OF THE METES AND BOUNDS LEGAL DEFINITION THAT WE NEED
FOR THE REGULATORY CHANGES. >> ALL RIGHT.
SO, AGAIN, YOU JUST SAID STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THE ONE THAT
WE'RE VOTING ON TONIGHT. NOT CPC RECOMMENDATION.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION
FOR THE ORDINANCE IS LABELED CD-6, CHARACTERISTIC DISTRICTS,
SO THIS IS ONE ATTACHMENT TO THE ORDINANCE.
THE OTHERS WERE GIVEN TO YOU FOR INFORMATION AND I'M NOT SURE
THEY'RE SHEDDING LIGHT ON IT. CD-6, CHARACTERISTIC DISTRICTS,
ATTACHED TO THE ORDINANCE, AND IT HAS THE BOUNDARIES THAT
MR.áDUKE JUST DESCRIBED. >> I'M GOING BACK TOá--
>> THIS IS A STAFF ADMINISTRATIONá-- STAFF AND
ADMINISTRATION HAVE LABELED DOWNTOWN TO INCLUDE RED CROSS,
HAGUE TOWER, AND HAGUE MEDICAL. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE VOTING AND
IF WE VOTE YES, THEN THOSE BECOME IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.
>> DOWNTOWN. >> YES.
>> OKAY. I'M SORRYá--
>> THE ADMINISTRATION RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THE SAME
THEN? >> I HAVE CD-6 CHARACTERISTIC
DISTRICTS AND IT DOES SHOW, SO I CAN BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT TERRI
IS SAYING, IT DOES SHOW THAT THE HAGUE MEDICAL BUILDING AND THE
HAGUE TOWER AND THEá-- IT APPEARS TO BE THE RED CROSS WILL
BE IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. FRANK, HOW WOULD THIS AFFECT, IF
WE WERE TO LOOK AT THE AREA NORTH OF BRAMBLETON AND TO
DECIDE THAT WE WISHED THAT AREA TO BE AN ARTS DISTRICT, A
THRIVING ARTS DISTRICT TO CONNECT AT SOME POINT THE
CHRYSLER AND THE OPERA HOUSE TO SCOPE AND BEYOND.
HOW DOES THIS, CHARACTERIZING IT AS DOWNTOWN, DOES THAT VERY
EFFECT IF WE WERE TO DECIDE TO DO THAT IN OUR DISCUSSIONS AT
THE RETREAT? >> AS IT RELATES TO THESE THREE
PROPERTIES? >> YES.
>> NO, SIR. THE AREA WE HAVE LOOKED AT AT
TRYING TO CREATE THIS ARTS DISTRICT WHERE IT WOULD BE ABLE
TO CONNECT THE OPERA HOUSE, THE CHRYSLER, SCOPE, THAT'S THE AREA
THAT THERE IS A CONSENSUS FROM ALL PARTIES OUGHT TO BE INCLUDED
AS DOWNTOWN. >> OKAY.
>> BECAUSE WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO ENABLE THIS ARTS DISTRICT IS
MODIFY REGULATIONS TO RELAX PARKING, TO RELAX THE OPEN SPACE
REQUIREMENTS, SO THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE KIND OF AN ARTS
DISTRICT. >> HIGHER DENSITY AND MAKE IT
MORE OF A DOWNTOWN AND THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY IS SEEING.
>> YES. >> SO IT WOULD HAVE NO EFFECT ON
THAT. >> THAT IS ALREADYá-- THAT'S THE
AREA THAT I THINK EVERYONE HAS AGREED ON SHOULD BE PART OF
DOWNTOWN. >> RIGHT.
>> TOMMY, GO AHEAD. >> FRANK I THOUGHT STAFF'S
RECOMMENDATION WAS FOR THE EAST BEACH AREA TO BE SUBURBAN, BUT
ON THIS ONE IT'S SHOWINGá-- >> YOU'RE CORRECT, THAT WAS OUR
ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THE EAST BEACH AREA BE SUBURBAN.
I HAVE INDICATED TO SEVERAL COUNCILMEMBERS WHO HAVE ASKED ME
THAT QUESTION MY ONLY PERSONAL BELIEF IS IT PROBABLY SHOULD
STILL BE SUBURBAN. THAT AREA HAS A PLAN THAT CALLS
FOR IT TO BECOME A VERY URBAN PLACE, BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE
THOSE CHARACTERISTICS TODAY, AND I THINK UNTIL WE BEGIN SEEING
THE MORE MIX OF USES THAT THE EAST BEACH PLAN PROJECTS
HAPPENING, IT WOULD BE PREMATURE TO MOVE THAT INTO THE URBAN
CHARACTERISTIC DISTRICT. WE DID NOT DISSENT WHEN PLANNING
COMMISSION WANTED TO MOVE THAT INTO URBAN BECAUSE WEá-- THE
FOCUS APPEARED TO BE AT THAT TIME ON THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BUT I
WOULD STILL HAVE GREAT RESERVATIONS ABOUT PUTTING EAST
BEACH IN THE URBAN CHARACTERISTIC DISTRICT AT THIS
TIME. I THINK IT'S PREMATURE.
>> THE COMMUNITY HAS ASKED FOR THAT TO GO BACK TO SUB BARB BAN
FOR RIGHT NOWá-- SUBURBAN FOR RIGHT NOW AND COUNCILMAN WINN
AND I ASKEDá-- >> WHY DON'T WE DO THIS.
WHY DON'T WE LISTEN TO EVERYBODY AND THEN WE'LL START MAKING
MOTIONS BECAUSE WE MAY GET SOME OTHER FEEDBACK.
>> I GUESS MY QUESTION WAS, I THOUGHT STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED
SUBURBAN, BUT IT'S SHOWING UP URBAN STILL, SO IF YOU JUST WENT
WITH PLANNING, I UNDERSTAND NOW WHY THAT'S STILL SHOWING UP THAT
WAY. >> THE ONLY AREA WHERE WE HAVE
COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT RECOMMENDATION WAS WHERE THERE
SEEMED TO BE A GREAT DEAL OF CONTENTION, BUT I'LL TELL YOU AS
I HAVE INDICATED TO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY PERSONAL
BELIEF AS A PLANNER IS THAT AREA SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE SUBURBAN.
IT EXHIBITSá-- >> WE CAN NARROW THE DISCUSSION.
IF EVERYBODY BELIEVES WE OUGHT TO PULL ITá--
>> I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH IT.
>> I DON'T. YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
SOMEONE? >> I MOVE THAT WE CHANGE THE
EAST BEACH AREA TO SUBURBAN FROM URBAN ON THE CHARACTERISTIC
DISTRICT RECOMMENDATIONS. >> DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
I MEAN, YOU GOT IT? >> I'VE GOT IT.
>> OKAY, BRECK, YOU GOTá-- OKAY. WE DON'T NEED A SECOND, BUT I
MEANá-- TAKE YOUR TIME. >> IS THERE A VOTE ON THE
MOTION? >> YES, ARE YOU PREPARED TO VOTE
ON IT? >> MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR.áPROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS.áWILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. OKAY.
>> LET ME HAVEá-- THE RED CROSS BUILDING WAS NOT IN ANY OF THE
DISCUSSIONS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL?
IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING. >> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> AND IT IS ZONED IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT ALREADY?
>> YES, SIR. >> AND I GUESS THE THOUGHTS OF
STAFF WAS THAT WE OUGHT TO INCLUDE THAT IN THEá-- IT'S
ALREADY IN THERE, SO WE'RE GOING TO INCLUDE IT IN THERE.
>> WELL, WE HAVE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED
DOWNTOWN, THE CHRYSLER MUSEUM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE HARRISON OPERA
HOUSE. I HAVE OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS
THAT SHOULD COUNCIL WANT TO HAVE ZONING IN THE FUTURE CONFORM TO
THESE BOUNDARIES, I CAN PUT THEM IN.
I DO NOT HAVE ANOTHER ZONING DISTRICT THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE
THE RED CROSS BUILDING, THE HAGUE TOWER OR THE HAGUE MEDICAL
CENTER AT THIS TIME. >> AND THE HAGUE TOWER AND HAGUE
MEDICAL ARE NOW IN THE DOWNTOWN? >> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
RECOMMENDING TO YOU. >> WHAT ARE THEY?
>> THEY ARE ZONED DOWNTOWN. >> CHARACTERISTIC DISTRICTS,
WHAT ARE THEY ZONED RIGHT NOW? >> BOTH ZONED AS PART OF
DOWNTOWN, BOTH HAVE SHOWN UP IN ALL OF THE DOWNTOWN PLANS AS FAR
BACK AS I CAN GO. >> OKAY.
>> AND WHAT ABOUT THE RED CROSS BUILDING, THAT DISTRICT IN
THERE? FRANK, YOU JUST WANT TO LEAVE IT
THE WAY IT IS FOR THE TIME BEING?
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING?
>> THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, YES, SIR.
>> YOU SAY LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS, YOU'RE SAYING IN THE
DOWNTOWNá-- >> THAT WOULD BE MY
RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, YES, SIR. >> SO IF WE WERE DOING NOTHING,
THERE WERE NO CHARACTERISTIC DISTRICTS, WEREN'T TRYING TO
WORK FOR IMPROVE OUR CITY, TO MAKE IT MORE CONSISTENT, THEN
THE HAGUE TOWERS, HAGUE MEDICAL AND RED CROSS WOULD BEá-- FALL
INTO THE DOWNTOWN SITUATION? >> YES, SIR.
>> SO IF WE CHANGE THEM TO POTENTIALLY SOMETHING THAT WOULD
HAVE A LESSER USE, WE WOULD BE, I GUESS, DOWNZONING IS NOT THE
RIGHT WORD, BUT WE WOULD BE TAKING AWAY RIGHTS OF PEOPLE
THAT OWN PROPERTY. >> POTENTIALLY, BUT I CAN'T TELL
YOU THAT YOU WOULD BE DOING THAT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY HAVE THOSE
REGULATIONS DRAFTED AND YOU'RE ACTUALLY DEALING WITH THEM.
AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE ALL YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE PLAN
AMENDMENT, YOU'RE NOT IN THAT PROCESS, THE POTENTIAL WOULD
EXIST IN THE FUTURE AND I THINK IT WOULD BE HEIGHTENED IF THEY
ARE INCLUDED IN THE URBAN AS OPPOSED TO THE DOWNTOWN
CHARACTERISTIC DISTRICT. >> WHEN YOU SAY HEIGHTENEDá--
>> THERE'S A GREATER CHANCE THAT YOU WOULD AT SOME POINT REMOVE
DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS FROM THOSE PROPERTIES.
>> OKAY, SO IF WE WEREN'T DOING ANYTHING AND SOMEBODY SAID THEY
WANTED TO DEVELOP IT AND THIS HAD NEVER COME UP, IT WOULDN'T
BE AN ISSUE, WE'LL WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT IT, THEY COULD DO
WHAT THEY COULD DO WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS.
>> YES, SIR. >> BUT THE IDEA WITH
CHARACTERISTIC DISTRICTS IS ACTUALLY TO CHANGE SOME OF THOSE
AND THAT'S PART OF THIS. FOR INSTANCE, THE NORTH
BRAMBLETON AREA, WE'RE LIMITED SO IF WE DID NO, WE'D STILL BE
AT THE SAME ZONING, WHICH WOULD BE SUB SUSH BAN FOR THAT AREA
AND WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES.
YOU CAN GO BOTH WAYS ON THIS. YOU HAVE TO GET RID OF THE
ZONINGá-- WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ZONING RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING CHARACTERISTIC DISTRICTS, AND
THAT'S A DIFFERENT BALL OF WAX HERE.
SO IT'S TRUE THAT IF YOU LEFT EVERYTHING THE SAME, THEN WE'D
HAVE EVERYTHING THE SAME, BUT THAT'S NOT WHY WE'RE HERE.
>> SO WE ARE POTENTIALLY DAMAGING PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO DO
WHATEVER THAT NOW EXISTS. >> YOU'RE CREATING A FRAMEWORK
RIGHT NOW AND IF YOU CARRY THAT FRAMEWORK THROUGH, THAT
POTENTIALLY COULD HAPPEN, YES, SIR.
>> IS THAT A DEFENSIBLE THING TO DO FOR THE CITY?
>> I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY.
>> THE ONLY CHANGES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED RIGHT NOW WITH THE
CHARACTERISTIC DISTRICTS IS TO REDUCE PARKING AND OPEN SPACE,
WHICH WOULD BE POSITIVES FOR DEVELOPERS.
THEY COULD ALSO DO MORE THAN THE MINIMUM, THEY COULD DO WHAT IS
THERE TODAY IF WE LOWERED IT. THAT'S ALL THAT WE KNOW RIGHT
NOW AND THERE ARE ANY NUMBER OF POSSIBILITIESES THAT I COULDN'T
IDENTIFY, WHETHER THEY COULD BE NEGATIVE, THEY COULD BE POSITIVE
AS DR. WHIBLEY SAYS, BUT THE TWO ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED
WOULD JUST BE POSITIVES FOR DEVELOPERS.
REDUCE PARKING AND REDUCE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
SO THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT ARE KNOWN TO BE COMING TO YOU.
THERE COULD BE OTHERS, BUT THEY'RE NOT KNOWN.
>> I THOUGHT NOTHING WAS COMING TO US NOW.
>> NOTHING TONIGHT, BUT THE NEXT ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE REDUCTION
OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND REDUCTION OF OPEN SPACE
REQUIREMENTS. AND THERE WILL BE NOTHING PASSED
WITHOUT THIS COUNCIL'S APPROVAL. BUT THE PLANNING MOTIVATION
RIGHT NOW IS TO DEAL WITH REDUCING PARKING REQUIREMENTS
AND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS. >> AND MR.áMAYOR, IF I COULD
ELABORATE ON WHAT MR.áPISHKO HAS SAID, CURRENTLY YOU HAVE THE
AUTHORITY TO COMPLETELY WAIVE PARKING AND OPEN SPACE
REQUIREMENTS OR TO SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE THEM, SO PART OF THIS IS
ALSO TO TRY TO BENEFIT NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES BY
CREATING CERTAINTY BECAUSE THROUGH THOSE ORDINANCE CHANGES
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING FORWARD, WE WOULD BE ELIMINATING
SOME OF THE ABILITY TO WAIVE ORDINANCEá-- PARKING AND OPEN
SPACE AND CREATE A STANDARD THAT EVERYONE COULD RELY ON.
>> BUT I'M HEARING DIFFERENT THINGS FROM YOU AND BERNARD.
I'M HEARING THE POTENTIAL IS PRETTY GOOD THAT THEY WOULDN'T
BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY COULD DO TODAY TOMORROW, AND YOU ARE
SAYING, NO, THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE TODAY THAN THEY
WERE TOMORROW. >> I THINK WHAT MR.áPISHKO IS
LOOKING AT IS THE ISSUE THAT YOU'VE ALREADY TOLD TO US DEAL
WITH AND I WOULD AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT HE HAS SAID.
BUT MY CONCERN IS, YOU MAY WANT TO GO AND DO SOMETHING MORE DOWN
THE ROAD AND BECAUSE WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT THE
GENERAL PLAN FOR GUIDANCE, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT POTENTIAL
AT THAT POINT. >> OKAY.
WELL, FRANK, STAND BY. WE MAY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR
YOU BECAUSE THIS IS NOT VERY CLEAR.
>> THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARCHITECTURE.
>> NO, SIR. >> OF IT AND I THINK A LOT OF
FOLK ARE CAUGHT UP WITH, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WANT
TO DO WITH THOSE PARTICULAR PROPERTIES.
AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE ISSUE THAT'S BEFORE US THIS EVENING.
>> I THINK POTENTIALLY THE SHAPE OF THE BUILDINGS ISá--
>> BUT THAT GETS INTO A WHOLE OTHER CONVERSATION AND THERE ARE
STILL RESTRICTIONS AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH,
AGAIN COME BACK TO PLANNING TO BE DEALT WITH.
ONE OF THE THINGS THATá-- YOU COULDN'T PUT A TWO-STORY
BUILDING ONá-- WHERE THE MEDICAL FACILITY IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T
HAVE THE PARKING, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS HELPS.
WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PARK, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF BRAMBLETON?
I THINK THERE'S SOME REASONABLE ASSURANCES IN WHAT WE'RE DOING
AND I THINK THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK THE PEOPLE
THINK THAT WE'RE BITING THE ENTIRE APPLE OFF TONIGHT AND
WE'RE NOT. AND SO, AGAIN, THIS IS ADDRESSED
TO ONE PART OF IT AND I DON'T THINK THATá-- MY PERSONAL
OPINIONá-- THAT IT HURTS ANYTHING.
BUT I THINK IT'S NECESSARY. >> SO ARE YOU SAYING, ANTHONY,
THAT BECAUSE OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, THE BUILDING IN
ITSELF, IF IT WERE TO BE REDESIGNED OR SOMETHING, COULD
ONLY BE SO HIGH? OR ONLYá-- I MEAN, WE DON'T ONLY
DO SO MUCH BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF PARKING?
>> NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS DOWNTOWN YOU HAVE CERTAINá-- THE
PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WHETHER IT BE OVER BY THE ALEXANDER OR
WHETHER IT BE DOWNTOWN, WHAT I'M SAYING IS ON THISá-- YOU HAVE
THREE PIECES OF PROPERTY THERE. YOU HAVE THAT MEDICAL PROPERTY
THERE, YOU HAVE THE HAGUE TOWER AND YOU HAVE THE RED CROSS
BUILDING. AGAIN, I WOULD HOPE THAT AS A
COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, THAT, AGAIN, THAT WE WOULD SET POLICY AND
RESTRICTIONS, YOU KNOW, FOR DAYS THAT WE'RE NOT HERE AND I THINK
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE JUST CREATING A BLUEPRINT, BUT I
DON'T THINK THAT ANYONE ON THIS COUNCIL WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO
THE DETRIMENT OF DOWNTOWN. I DON'T THINK, WHEN YOU LOOK AT
WHAT YOU HAVE, YOU DON'T WANT TO EXACERBATE THE PROBLEM OF
DENSITY IN THAT CORRIDOR, AND SO I JUST THINK THAT YOU BEGIN TO
DEFINE THOSE PROPERTIES, BUT WHEN YOU START TO GET INTO AN
ARCHITECTURE DISCUSSION AND SAYING WHETHER OR NOT THESE
BUILDINGSá-- LET'S SAY THE HAGUE BURNED TO THE GROUND, OR LIKE
THE YOUNG LADY TOLD ME, ASTEROID HIT IT AND DESTROYED IT.
WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT DO YOU BUILD OR REPLACE IT WITH?
IS THE ARCHITECTURE CONSISTENT WITH DOWNTOWN?
AND SO YOU GET INTO THAT, AND WHAT IS THE ARCHITECTURE?
IS IT COMPATIBLE TO, YOU KNOW, THE SURROUNDING AREAS?
SO I JUST DON'Tá-- I LOOK AT IT AND SAY YOU'RE STARTING TO TALK
ABOUTá-- I'VE HEARD SO MANY DISCUSSIONS AND IT CENTERED
AROUND ARCHITECTURE AND WHAT YOU WOULD BUILD THERE AND WHAT WOULD
IT LOOK LIKE, BUT AGAIN, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH
ARCHITECTURE OR BUILDINGS. I MEAN, IT'S BEGINNING JUST TO
FRAMEWORK AND BLUEPRINT TO BE ABLE TO DEFINE THE BOUNDARIES OF
DOWNTOWN AND WITHIN THAT, YOU COULD BEGIN TO WORK WITHIN THAT
FRAMEWORK. >> I COULD BE WRONG, FRANK,
BUTá-- >> FRANKá--
>> I WOULD AGREEá-- >> BUT THE ARCHITECTURE THING
NEVER REALLY COMES BEFORE US. >> NO, IT'Sá--
>> BUT I WOULD FINISH WHAT MR. BURFOOT ISá-- I WOULD AGREE WITH
HIM BECAUSE REALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IF YOU MAXIMIZE THE
RESTORE PLATES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO THE HAGUE MEDICAL
CENTER SITE AND YOU STRUCTURED PARKING, YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT
PROBABLY NO MORE THAN A 10 TO 12-STORY BUILDING.
IT COULD GO TO A TALLER BUILDING YOU HAD MORE OPEN SPACE BECAUSE
NOW YOU'RE REDUCING THE OVERALL FLOOR PLAY, CREATING A SMALLER
FF.A.R. FLOOR AREA RATIO.
>> YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT IT BE IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT IS
BECAUSE YOU FEEL THAT IT IS MORE APPROPRIATE THERE?
>> YES, SIR. >> OKAY.
THEY'RE ABOUTá-- I THINK WE HAVE 13 FOLKS SIGNED UP TO ADDRESS
THE COUNCIL ON THIS MATTER. AS YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL STILL
HAS SOME QUESTIONS. WE'RE GOING TO ASK MR.áDUKE TO
COME BACK AND MAYBE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, TRY TO ANSWER A
COUPLE, BUT WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN TO YOU TONIGHT FOR SURE.
ALL I ASK IS WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME, IF YOU COME TO THE PODIUM,
IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD BY GIVING US YOUR FULL NAME AND
PRESENT HOME ADDRESS AND PLEASE LIMIT YOUR REMARKS TO THREE
MINUTES. IF YOU AGREE WITH SOMEBODY OR
YOU DON'T AGREE WITH SOMEBODY, PLEASE, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO
RESPECT EVERYBODY'S OPINIONS HERE, SO KEEP YOURá-- YOU KNOW,
KEEP THE NOISE PLEASE TO A MINIMUM, IF YOU COULD.
RAY KING. >> GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS RAY W. KING. I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE FIRM OF
LECLAIR RYAN HERE IN DOWNTOWN NORFOLK AND I RESIDE AT 5608
SHENANDOAH AVENUE IN THE LAKEWOOD SUB DIVISION.
I'M HERE TO ADDRESS YOU THIS EVENING AS THE CHAIR OF THE
BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE DOWNTOWN NORFOLK COUNCIL ON THIS
ISSUE, THE DOWNTOWN NORFOLK COUNCIL REPRESENTS 325 MEMBERS
IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WHICH INCLUDE BUSINESSES, PROPERTY
OWNERS, AND PEOPLE WHO RESIDE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
SPECIFICALLY I'M HERE TO EXPRESS THE DOWNTOWN NORFOLK COUNCIL'S
SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE COMMUNITY
DESIGN CHAPTER OF THE GENERAL PLAN OF NORFOLK TO CREATE THE
DEFINITIONS FOR THE THREE CHARACTERISTIC DISTRICTS IN
NORFOLK. AS YOU'VE ALREADY BEEN TALKING
ABOUT, THE THREE PROPOSED CHARACTERISTIC DISTRICTS OF
DOWNTOWN, URBAN, AND SUBURBAN, DOWNTOWN NORFOLK COUNCIL IS
PARTICULARLY PLEASED TO SEE THAT THE PROPOSED BOUNDARIES THAT
YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR THE DOWNTOWN CHARACTERISTIC
DISTRICT WILL INCLUDE THE GRANBY DISTRICT NORTH OF BRAMBLETON
AVENUE. WE BELIEVE THIS IS A CRITICAL
PART OF THE PLAN TO HELP MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL.
FOR MANY YEARS, THE ZONING IN THIS AREA HAS BEEN SO
RESTRICTIVE AND THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS SO STRINGENT THAT
COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT SUPPORTIVE OF THE DIVISION OF AN
IMPORTANT CITY AND DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE.
THE OPPORTUNITY PROVIDED BY THE CHARACTERISTIC DISTRICT
AMENDMENT WILL, WE FEEL, ALLOW APPROPRIATE AND COMPATIBLE
DEVELOPMENT TO OCCUR IN THIS AREA AND WILL ENHANCE THE
OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DISTRICT'S POTENTIAL TO BE FINALLY REALIZED
IN THE CITY. THE DOWNTOWN NORFOLK COUNCILá--
AND THERE ARE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL HERE TONIGHT.
I WOULD ASK THOSE PRESENT TO PLEASE STAND AND BE RECOGNIZED.
ANYONE SUPPORTING OUR POSITION. THE DOWNTOWN NORFOLK COUNCIL IS
SUPPORTIVE OF THE THREE PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTIES ON
BRAMBLETON AVENUE WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING TO BE INCLUDED
IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT AND NOT IN THE URBAN DISTRICT.
WE FEEL THAT TO MAINTAIN THE MAXIMUM POTENTIAL FOR THESE
PROPERTIES AND IN KEEPING WITH THEIR CURRENT CHARACTER, THAT
THEY REMAIN WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.
ON THE CITYWIDE BASIS, IT IS OUR FEELING THAT THE SIMPLICITY OF
THE THREE CHARACTER DISTRICT APPROACH BRINGS FAR GREATER
CHARITY TO THE PLANNING PROCESS AND PERMITS THE CITY TO MOVE
IT'S LAND USE REGULATIONS IN SUCH A WAY TO ENCOURAGE NEW AND
COMPATIBLE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY.
WE RESPECTFULLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO ADOPT THE PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE
COMMUNITY DESIGN CHAPTER IN THE GENERAL PLAN OF NORFOLK TO
CREATE THE DEFINITIONS FOR THE CHARACTER DISTRICTS INCLUDING
THE PROPOSED BOUNDARIES AS I HAVE DISCUSSED AND I'M AVAILABLE
TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
>> THANK YOU, MR.áKING. JACK PLUMGREN.
>> GOOD EVENING. I'M JACK PLUMGREN, PRESIDENT OF
THE GHENT BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. I RESIDE AT 200 COLLEGE PLACE,
BUT MY BUSINESS IS LOCATED 1611-B COLLEY AVENUE IN GHENT
AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE PROPOSED CHANGES.
JUST AS BACKGROUND, A GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS, INCLUDING PEOPLE
FROM DOWNTOWN, GOT TOGETHER, ORIGINALLY PUT TOGETHER A PLAN
THAT HAD THOSE THREE BUILDINGS NOT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BUT
ACTUALLY HAD THEM IN THE URBAN AREA.
THAT HAS CHANGED SUBSEQUENTLY. THE NEGOTIATED DEAL THAT WE HAD
COME UP WITH FELL THROUGH, AND A LOT OF IT HAD TO DO WITH A
DEVELOPER. HAVING SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THE
PURPOSE OF THE CHARACTER DISTRICTS TO ME IS TO DEFINE THE
CHARACTER OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. IRREGARDLESS OF WHICH PROPERTY
IS ON THERE NOW. I MEAN, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
IS TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE SEPARATED BY A FOOT BRIDGE FROM
SOME OF THE MOST EXTENSIVE REAL ESTATE IN THE CITY OF NORFOLK.
THE HAGUE AND THE AREA AROUND THE HAGUE.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ADEQUATE PEOPLE HERE TO REPRESENT THOSE
PEOPLE, BUT IF THAT AREA BECOMES MORE FULLY DEVELOPED AS
DOWNTOWN, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THE PARKING WILL SPILL OVER INTO
THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU'LL BE FAR MORE LIKELY TO
PARK IN THOUGH NEIGHBORHOODS THAN TO PARK ACROSS THE NATURAL
BARRIER OF A SIX-LANE HIGHWAY LIKE BRAMBLETON AVENUE.
I JUST FEEL LIKE THE CHARACTER ITSELF OF THOSE AREAS BELONGS
MORE IN THE URBAN SETTING THAN IT DOES IN THE DOWNTOWN SETTING.
THE EARLIER SPEAKER SPOKE ABOUT HOW RESTRICTIONS WERE KEEPING IT
FROM BEING DEVELOPED, BUT YET EARLIER, WE HEARD THAT IT WAS
ALREADY ZONED AS DOWNTOWN. SO IF IT WAS RESTRICTIVE, WHAT
WAS RESTRICTING THEM IF DOWNTOWN WOULD MAKE IT LESS RESTRICTIVE.
THIS WHOLE ISSUE HAS GOTTEN VERY CONFUSED.
I'VE SAT THROUGH THREE PRESENTATIONS ON THIS ISSUE AND
EVERY TIME I SAT THROUGH THE PRESENTATIONS, THEY SAID IT
WON'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE BECAUSE HE HAS THIS LETTER AND
IT WON'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE BECAUSE IF IT'S ZONED THIS WAY
OR THAT WAY. IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THERE'S A
TREMENDOUS MISUNDERSTANDING AND I HEARD A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION
HERE THIS EVENING, BUT I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE GHENT BUSINESS
ASSOCIATION AND WE UNANIMOUSLY SUPPORTED THE ORIGINAL
AGREEMENT, WHICH HAD THE THREE BUILDINGS IN QUESTION AS PART OF
THE URBAN ZONING AND THE GHENT BUSINESS ASSOCIATION IS ALSO
UNANIMOUSá-- THE BOARD HAS UNANIMOUSLY VOTED TO CONTINUE TO
SUPPORT THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT AND BE IN OPPOSITION TO THESE
CHANGES. SO THANKS.
>> THANK YOU. BRUCE BISHOP.
>> MY NAME IS BRUCE BISHOP. I RESIDE AT 1405 SOUTH VOE LOOP
IN NORFOLK. I SPEAK AS A NORFOLK TAXPAYER
AND AS CHAIRPERSON OF THE DOWNTOWN NORFOLK COUNCIL'S
STREET LEVEL DIVERSITY TASK FORCE.
I ENDORSE ALL THE COMMENTS INCLUDED IN RAY KING'S
PRESENTATION AND HIS LETTER, WHICH WAS SENT ON AUGUST 28th TO
MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND URGE COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE STAFF
PROPOSAL TO AMEND THE COMMUNITY DESIGN CHAPTER OF THE GENERAL
PLAN OF NORFOLK TO CREATE DEFINITIONS FOR CHARACTER
DISTRICTS WITHIN THE CITY OF NORFOLK.
I COMMEND FRANK DUKE, WHO IS INCIDENTALLY AN OUTSTANDING
PLANNING DIRECTOR AND HIS STAFF FOR THEIR HARD WORK IN DEFINING
THIS CONCEPT AND SHEPHERDING THIS PROPOSAL THROUGH THE
PLANNING PROCESS TO COUNCIL FOR ITS CONSIDERATION.
THIS PROPOSAL, IN MY OPINION, AS WIN-WIN FOR THE CITY, ITS
RESIDENTS AS WELL AS THE EXISTING AND NEW BUSINESSES THAT
WILL EVENTUALLY BE DRAWN TO THE GRANBY DISTRICT NORTH OF
BRAMBLETON AVENUE AS A RESULT OF ITS PASSAGE AND SUBSEQUENT
REGULATORY AMENDMENTS. THANKS HAVE MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
>> GRETA GUSTAVSON. >> GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS GRETA GUSTAFSON AND I RESIDE AT 421 WEST DUKE STREET
IN NORFOLK. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT AND
PROPERTY OWNER IN THE FREEMASON HISTORIC DISTRICT FOR THE PAST
35 YEARS. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO REALLY NOT
EITHER SUPPORT OR OPPOSE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF CHARACTER
DISTRICTS. I'M HERE TO POSE SOME ISSUES
THAT WILL NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IF YOU CHOOSE TO GO FORWARD WITH
THE ESTABLISHMENT OF CHARACTER DISTRICTS IN NORFOLK.
I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS THAT MUST BE FOLLOWED.
HOWEVER, IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO SUPPORT A CHANGE
THAT COULD DRAMATICALLY ALTER THE FABRIC OF OUR URBAN
NEIGHBORHOODS. AS MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE, THE
BOUNDARIES OF THE FREEMASON HISTORIC DISTRICT HAVE BEEN
SHRINKING OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF
CHANGES IN ZONING FROM HCWF-1 AND HCWF-2 TO D-3, WHICH HAS
ALLOWED AN INCREASE IN DENSITY, LOSS OF OPEN SPACE, AND THE
DREADED BATTLE OF PARKING SPACES.
OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS LOCATED MIDWAY BETWEEN DOWNTOWN AND
GHENT, AND WE REFLECT SOME OF BOTH OF THOSE AREAS, AND HAD IT
NOT BEEN FOR BUSINESSES REHABILITATING SOME OF OUR OLD
HOMES, MANY MORE OF OUR HISTORIC BUILDINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN LOST
THROUGH NEGLECT OR THROUGH DEMOLITION.
WHILE WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE RETURNING THOSE STRUCTURES TO
RESIDENTIAL USE, WE RESPECT THE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN GOOD
STEWARDS OF THEIR PROPERTY, AND INVOLVE THEM IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD
ACTIVITIES AND EVENTS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
ALTHOUGH I'VE BEEN TOLD BY MR.áDUKE THAT CREATION OF
CHARACTER DISTRICTS AND INCLUSION OF THE FREEMASON
NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE DOWNTOWN CHARACTER DISTRICT WILL NOT
AFFECT THOSE PORTIONS OF WEST FREEMASON COVERED BY CHAPTER 9
OF OUR PLANNING ORDINANCE AND THE HISTORIC DISTRICT
GUIDELINES, I DO NOT HAVE THAT ASSURANCE FOR THE PART OF OUR
NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH IS THE BULK OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD NOW, THAT IS
ZONED D-3. MUCH OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S D-3
ZONING WAS ESTABLISHED THROUGH ELIMINATION OF AREAS PREVIOUSLY
COVERED BY HCWF-2 ZONING. THE D-3 ZONING ALLOWS FOR
GREATER LOT COVERAGE, LESS RESTRICTIVE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS,
MINIMAL PARKING REQUIREMENTS, FEWER GREEN AND OPEN SPACES, AND
FEWER RESTRICTIONS RELATED TO BUILDING DESIGN AND MATERIALS.
MY OVERRIDING FEAR IS THAT INCLUSION IN THE DOWNTOWN
CHARACTER DISTRICT WOULD INCREASE THE LIKELIHOOD OF EVEN
FURTHER EROSION OF OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT.
HOW WILL THESE ISSUES BE ADDRESSED?
NOBODY KNOWS AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THE RULES.
AS A FORMER ATHLETE AND AS A FORMER TEACHER, I WOULD HAVE
BEEN A FOOL TO PLAY A GAME WITH RULES THAT HAD NOT BEEN
DEVELOPED AND I WOULD HAVE BEEN REMISS TO TEST MY STUDENTS
WITHOUT FIRST GIVING THEM INSTRUCTION.
IT IS AN EQUALLY DIFFICULT TASK TO CONSIDER A PROPOSED ACTION
FOR ZONING WITHOUT EXPRESSED PLANNING.
IF YOU CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE ESTABLISHMENT OF CHARACTER
DISTRICTS IN NORFOLK, I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO INSIST UPON READABLE
WRITTEN DOCUMENTS DEVELOPED WITH NEIGHBORHOOD INPUT AND TO
CRITICALLY REVIEW THOSE DOCUMENTS AS THEY ARE PRESENTED
TO YOU. >> THANK YOU.
>> I ALSO URGE YOU TO LISTEN TO THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE WE'RE THE
ONES WHO HAVE TO LIVE THERE. >> THANK YOU.
WARREN TISDALE. >> GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME THE WARREN TISDALE. MY OFFICE IS AT 440 MONTICELLO
AVENUE. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE OWNER
OF THE HAGUE MEDICAL BUILDING. DESCRIBED IN THE AUGUST 24th
COUNCIL INTEREST, A MEMORANDUM TO CITY COUNCIL, THE THREE
CHARACTER DISTRICTS, DOWNTOWN, URBAN AND SUBURBAN, REFLECT
DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENT CHARACTERS THAT TYPIFIED NORFOLK'S
DEVELOPMENT OVER TIME. THE DOWNTOWN CHARACTER DISTRICT
REFLECT AREAS OF CITY DEVELOPED FIRST WITH A BROAD RANGE OF
HIGHER INTENSITY USES, LIMITED ONSITE PARKING AND PEDESTRIAN
AND TRANSIT ACCESSIBILITY. ALSO THE ZONING ORDINANCE
DEFINITION OF DOWNTOWN CHARACTER DISTRICT THAT CITY COUNCIL IS
ADOPTING TODAY IS AS FOLLOWS. THE AREA OF THE CITY THAT
HISTORICALLY INCLUDED THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND
THOSE AREAS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT IN WHICH HIGH INTENSITY
MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IS ANTICIPATED.
THAT IS THE CHARACTER DISTRICT DEFINITION THAT BOTH
HISTORICALLY AND CURRENTLY BEST FITS OUR PARCEL.
BRAMBLETON AVENUE DOES NOT MARK THE HISTORICAL BOUNDARY BETWEEN
DOWNTOWN AND THE FIRST SUBURBS OF NORFOLK.
BRAMBLETON AVENUE AS WE KNOW IT WAS NOT CONSTRUCTED UNTIL THE
1960s. WHAT IS NOW THE HAGUE ORIGINALLY
WAS AN INLET WITH TWO CREEKS STRETCHING NORTH WELL AWAY FROM
DOWNTOWN. HISTORICALLY, THE AREAS TO THE
SOUTH AND EAST OF THE HAGUE WERE PART OF DOWNTOWN AND NOT PART OF
GHENT. AND FROM A CURRENT COMPATIBILITY
STANDPOINT, THE DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTY BETWEEN THE HAGUE AND
BRAMBLETON AVENUE, RESIDENTIAL HIGH RISE AND OFFICE, IS MORE IN
KEEPING WITH DOWNTOWN THAN RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN
GHENT. I THINK HE RELIANCE IS IMPORTANT
CONSIDERATION. THE PROPERTY ON WHICH THE HAGUE
MEDICAL BUILDING SITS HAS BEEN DOWNTOWN ZONING DISTRICT 4 SIN
THE DOWNTOWN ZONING DISTRICTS WERE CREATED AND IMPOSED BY
ADOPTION OF THE CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE IN 1992.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, ALL APPLICABLE LAND USE STUDIES AND INITIATIVES
CONDUCTED OR PONS SWORD BY THE CITY HAVEá-- SPONSORED BY THE
CITY HAVE CONSIDERED THE PROPERTY SOUTH AND EAST OF THE
HAGUE TO BE A PART OF DOWNTOWN. TO CHANGE THAT NOW PENALIZES
THOSE WHO RELIED ON THE ZONING AND IT IS NOT AS IF CURRENT
ZONING IS LACKING IN PROTECTION. THE CURRENT DOWNTOWN DISTRICT 4
ZONING OF OUR PARCEL CONFERS ULTIMATE POWER OVER STRUCTURES
AND USES WITHIN THIS DISTRICT ON THIS CITY COUNCIL.
DOWNTOWN ZONING DISTRICTS ARE NOT LIKE OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS.
THE CITY COUNCIL CONTROLS WHAT CAN BE BUILT AND WHAT USES CAN
BE PURSUED. CERTAINLY THAT LEVEL OF CONTROL
IS SUFFICIENT COMFORT. IN CONCLUSION, WE REQUEST THAT
WITH REGARD TO THE HAGUE MEDICAL BUILDING PARCEL, CITY COUNCIL
ADOPT THE CHARACTER DISTRICT MAP WHICH FROM DISCUSSION I GATHER
IS THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU.
IT'S THE ONLY SOUND APPROACH AT THIS EARLY STAGE IN THE OVERLAY
PROCESS BEFORE ANY OVERLAY DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS HAVE BEEN
ESTABLISHED. THE SOUND APPROACH IS TO IMPOSE
CHARACTER DISTRICT BOUNDARIES THAT MATCH CURRENT ZONING.
THANK YOU. >> PAGE ROSE.
THANK YOU, WARREN. >> GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS PAGE ROSE. I RESIDE AT 524 GRAYTON AVENUE
AND I'M PRESIDENT OF THE GHENT NEIGHBORHOOD LEAGUE AND I THINK
TO BEGIN, WE WOULD ALL AGREE THAT NORFOLK IS COMPRISED OF
DISTINCT NEIGHBORHOODS, EACH WHICH CONTRIBUTES ITS OWN
VITALITY TO OUR COMMUNITY AND TREASURED CITY SCAPE.
THESE NEIGHBORHOODS COULD CONCEIVABLY BE DIVIDED INTO
THREE DISTINCT AREAS. WE'RE NOT HERE TONIGHT TO
DISCUSS THE MERITS OF THE CHARACTER DISTRICTS, THE
BOUNDARIES AND REASONS FOR THEM AND ANY POTENTIAL REASONS FOR
CARVEOUTS. WHEN THE GHENT NEIGHBORHOOD
LEAGUE LEARNED OF THE PROPOSED CHARACTER DISTRICT AMENDMENT FOR
THE CITY OF NORFOLK'S GENERAL PLAN, IT BEGAN WORKING
COLLABORATIVELY WITH NEARBY NEIGHBORHOODS AND ORGANIZATIONS
TO ENSURE BOUNDARIES RELATED WELL TO EACH OTHER BETWEEN THE
DISTRICTS, WERE REASONABLY AND SERVED UNIQUE NEIGHBORHOODS
WELL, ESPECIALLY AS BOUNDARIES WOULD IMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS WITH
SUBSEQUENT ZONING DECISIONS, OPEN SPACE, PARKING AND OTHER
POTENTIAL AREAS. THE IMPACT DETAILS OF WHICH ARE
STILL UNDETERMINED. IT WAS AGREED TO HAVE ONE OF THE
MAJOR BOUNDARIES FOR THE URBAN DISTRICT TO RUN NORTH OF PROGRAM
TELLTON AVENUE, WHICH IS THE LOGICAL BOUNDARY BETWEEN
DOWNTOWN FREEMASON AND GHENT FROM AN AESTHETIC, HISTORICAL,
AND TRANSPORTATION PERSPECTIVE. DESPITE THE EARLIER
COLLABORATIVE NEIGHBORHOOD PROCESS TO DEFINE THE
BOUNDARIES, IT WAS SUBSEQUENTLY RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY STAFF AT
THE BEHEST OF A LOCAL DEVELOPER, AS WE UNDERSTAND IT, TO CARVE
OUT MEDICAL TOWER, HAGUE TOWER AND MORE RECENTLY THE RED CROSS
BUILDING FROM THE URBAN AREA AND PLACE THESE BUILDINGS IN THE
DOWNTOWN DESIGNATION. AS EXPLAINED TO THE GNL BY THE
CITY, THAT A DEVELOPER STANDS TO LOSE POTENTIAL INCOME IF THIS
CARVE-OUT DID NOT OCCUR. WHEN THE INFORMATION PRESENTED,
IT SEEMS THE DEVELOPER COULD DEVELOP THE SITE PROPERLY UNDER
THE URBAN DESIGNATION. THIS PROPOSED CARVE-OUT IS
TROUBLING ON MANY FRONTS. GHENT RESIDENTS HAVE VOICED
THEIR OPPOSITION TO THIS CARVE-OUT WHICH BRINGS DOWNTOWN
STYLE DEVELOPMENT WITH LESS OPEN SPACE AND LESS PARKING
REQUIREMENTS IN ADDITION TO OTHER POTENTIAL DOWNTOWN STYLE
DEVELOPMENT ALLOWANCES INTO THE GHENT NEIGHBORHOOD ABUTTING THE
FOOT OF THE STORIED GHENT BRIDGE AND IN PLAIN VIEW OF MANY
RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY THOSE HOMEOWNERS ON THE HISTORIC
MOEBLY ARCH AREA. THIS ALSO BRINGS MANY ADDITIONAL
PARKING ISSUES WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED.
THE CARVE-OUT WOULD LEAVE YARMOUTH STREELS AND THE GHENT
DISTRICT BOXED IN AND MOST NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL THIS IS
INAPPROPRIATE REGARDING THE CARVE-OUT.
AS NO ONE KNOWS THE FINAL ZONING IMPLICATIONS OF IMPLEMENTING THE
CARVE-OUT, IT SEEMS IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE SUCH A DECISION IN A
PRUDENT MATTER WITHOUT THE ZONING INFORMATION AVAILABLE.
APT A RECENT GNL SPECIAL MEETING TO DISCUSS THE SITUATION, A
STRAW POLL WAS TAKEN AND THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY ARE
OPPOSED TO THE CARVE-OUT FROM THE URBAN TO THE DOWNTOWN
DESIGNATION. THUS, IT WAS SEEM THE VOICES OF
MANY RESIDENTS SHOULD BE HEARD OVER THE VOICE OF A DEVELOPER.
IF THE CHARACTER DISTRICT AMENDMENT IS APPROVED, THE GHENT
NEIGHBORHOOD LEAGUE RESPECTFULLY ASKS THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN
DOWNTOWN AND URBAN AREAS TO REMAIN AT BRAMBLETON AVENUE AS
EARLIER RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WITHOUT
THE CARVE-OUT. THIS WOULD HELP PRESERVE AND
PROTECT THE GHENT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR GENERATIONS TO COME, FOR
CURRENT RESIDENTS AND ALSO FOR THE DEVELOPER TO ENJOY HIS RIGHT
FOR A FINANCIAL GAIN. MANY HAVE ASKED WHAT'S THE RUSH?
AND AS WE CONSIDER THE DECISIONS FOR BOUNDARY LINES, THE REASONS
FOR THEM AND POTENTIAL CARVE-OUTS WITHOUT KNOWING THE
SPECIFIC ZONING INFORMATION AND THE REALIZATION THIS DECISION
WILL AFFECT ALL NEIGHBORHOODS, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHICH CO-EXIST
IN CLOSE PROXIMITY. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. MR.áMOSS, CANNON MOSS.
>> HELLO. MY NAME IS CANNON MOSS AND I
LIVE AT 732 YARMOUTH STREET. I APPRECIATE TO OPPORTUNITY TO
STAND BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND DISCUSS MY CONCERNS.
WE MET WITH CITY OFFICIALS LAST WEEK TO GET AN OVERVIEW OF THE
DISTRICTS AND SOME OF THE REASONING BEHIND BY CERTAINLY
AREAS ARE CLASSED URBAN OR DOWNTOWN.
WHILE WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE BRIEFED ON
WHAT IS GOING ON, THE MEETING LEFT MANY OF US WITH MORE
QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE
CHARACTER DISTRICTS BOIL DOWN TO PARKING AND OPEN SPACE
REQUIREMENTS, WHICH MATTER GREATLY TO MY NEIGHBORS AND ME.
I CHOSE TO BUY MY HOUSE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
WHILE I LIKE WHERE I LIVE, I UNDERSTAND WITH A GREAT LOCATION
COMES SOME SACRIFICE AND PARKING HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THEM.
THIS IS WHY I'M SO SENSITIVE TO LOSING WHAT LITTLE PARKING WE
HAVE. THE PARKING ON THE STREET IS
EXTREMELY LIMITED. WE'RE SURROUNDED TODAY BY THE
HAGUE TOWERS, THE CHRYSLER, CRAM BELTON AVENUE AND DUKE STREET.
ONCE OUR STREET PARKING IS TAKEN, THERE ARE VIEW FOR YOU
OPTIONS FOR US. WE UNDERSTAND THE REQUIREMENTS
FOR EACH OF THOSE DISTRICTS HAVE NOT BEEN OUTLINED.
IF THAT'S THE CASE, HOW CAN YOU VOTE FOR THE BOUNDARIES OF THE
DISTRICTS WHEN THE IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS IS
UNKNOWN? I LOOK AT THE HAGUE MEDICAL
BUILDING AND I THINK IF THIS GETS DEVELOPED INTO A DOWNTOWN
STYLE HIGH RISE DEVELOPMENT, WHERE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE GOING
TO PARK? I KNOW THERE'S NO PARKING ON
BRAMBLETON, SO THAT LEAVES THE ARCH ACROSS THE WAY.
I LOOK AT THE RED CROSS BUILDING AND WONDER IF THAT BECOMES SOME
SORT OF HIGH RISE WITH LIMITED PARKING REQUIREMENTS, WHAT
HAPPENS TO ME, WHERE AM I GOING TO PARK?
I'M NOT STANDING HERE AND SAYING STOP THE PROGRESS.
I'M ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN THESE
AREAS, NOT THE DEVELOPER. IT MIGHT BE UNFAIRá-- EXCUSE ME,
IT MIGHT BE UNFAIR TO THE DEVELOPER AS WE WERE TOLD IN OUR
MEETING, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS?
DID THE DEVELOPER WHO BUILT THE BRAMBLETON APARTMENTS HAVE TO
FIGHT FOR A PARKING SPOT AT 5:00áP.M. BECAUSE THE YMCA IS
BUSY? I DOUBT IT.
BEFORE YOU VOTE SO THE DISTRICTS, I THINK IT IS VERY
IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING
NEIGHBORHOODS AND THERE'S NO WAY TO NAH THAT IF THE DISTRICTS
THEMSELVES ARE NOT DEFINED. I LOOK AT HISTORIC YARMOUTH
STREET WITH IT'S BEAUTIFUL HISTORIC HOMES, SURROUNDED BY
WHAT? SKYSCRAPERS?
YOU MIGHT THINK I'M OVERREACTING, BUT THAT COULD
BECOME A REALITY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF RED CROSS
BUILDING AND ADJACENT OPEN SPACE IN I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO STOP
PROGRESS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MY
FELLOW NEIGHBORS AND I KNOW EXACTLY HOW WE WILL BE AFFECTED
AND HOWá-- HOW WE'LL BE AFFECT. RIGHT NOW, YOU GUYS CAN'T ANSWER
THAT. THANK YOU.
>> LEE SNYDER. HE DIDN'Tá-- OKAY.
THANKS. BOB BOBRECK?
MR.áBOBRECK? >> GOOD EVENING.
MY NAPE IS BOB BOBBRECK. I LIVE AT 414 MARBURY ARCH FOR
ABOUT 18 YEARS. DON'T BUY AN OLD HOUSE, BY THE
WAY. LIVE THERE, IT'S A GREAT
NEIGHBORHOOD. I TELL YOU WHAT, I HAD A
GO-AROUND WHEN I TRIED TO PUT A SATELLITE ON MY ROOF FOR
SATELLITE TV AND NOW THEY SAID, OH, BOB, THEY'RE PUTTING A
10-STORY BUILDING ON THE HAGUE. FROM WHAT I CAN SEE, IT'S GOING
TO BE MAYBE TEN STORIES, EIGHT STORIES, 12 STORIES, PARKING
AROUND THERE LIKE CANNON SAID IS HARD AS IT IS NOW.
I'M TOTALLY AGAINST IT, LIKE TO GO ON RECORD ABOUT THAT, AND IT
SOUNDS, THE CONFUSION FACTOR HERE, I DON'T MEAN TO SAY
CONFUSION. THERE'S TOO MANY VARIABLES TO
MAKE AN INTELLIGENT DECISION FROM WHAT I CAN SEE RIGHT NOW.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.
SHARONá-- IS IT PLEVENS? PAM CLAPEL?
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS PAM CLAPEL AND I'M A
PROPERTY OWNER AT 804 THROUGH 814 GRANBY STREET AND I'M HERE
TO SUPPORT THE CREATION OF CHARACTER DISTRICTS IN NORFOLK'S
GENERAL PLAN AND FOR THE RESULTING ZONING CHANGES WHERE
APPROPRIATE IN THESE CHARACTER DISTRICTS.
MY GRANBY STREET PROPERTY IS LOCATED BETWEEN BRAMBLETON
AVENUE AND PRINCESS ANNE ROAD IN AN AREA CALLED NORTH OF
BRAMBLETON. IT IS THE WEAK LINK BETWEEN TWO
RENOVATED AND PROSPERING AREAS OF GRANBY STREET.
IT'S A TWO BLOCKS WITH LITTLE BUILDING RENOVATION AND LIMBED
ENTICEMENT FOR NEW TENANTS. THE PARKING ORDINANCE HERE
REQUIRES THAT THE NUMBER OF PARKING PLACE ALLOCATED TO A
BUSINESS BE TIED TO THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING WHICH HOUSES THE
BUSINESS. THEREFORE, RESTAURANTS, BARS,
THEATERS, AND OTHER BUSINESSES WHICH BRING FEET ON THE STREET
DO NOT CONSIDER THE 7 AND 800 BLOCK OF GRANBY STREET.
IT'S SUCH A SHAME WHEN THIS IS SO CLOSE TO THE HARRISON OPERA
HOUSE AND TO THE CHRYSLER MUSEUM.
BOTH OF WHICH ARE MAJOR ATTRACTIONS IN THE CITY OF
NORFOLK. ONE OF MY TENANTS HAS CONSIDERED
CREATING A SPACE FOR HIS BRIDAL FLOWER CUSTOMERS TO HAVE
WEDDINGS AND RECEPTIONS. THE CURRENT ZONING DOES NOT
ALLOW SUCH INNOVATION. THE ZONING IS SO RESTRICTIVE
NORTH OF BRAMBLETON THAT ATTRACTING NEW TENANTS AND
MAXIMIZING THE LOCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY HAS BEEN ALMOST
IMPOSSIBLE. I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD ONE
BUILDING VACANT FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR.
WITH THE INCLUSION OF THE 800 AND 700 BLOCKS OF GRANBY STREET
IN THE DOWNTOWN CHARACTER DISTRICT, PARKING REQUIREMENTS
SHOULD BECOME THE SAME AS SOUTH OF BRAMBLETON.
THIS WOULD BRING CONSISTENCY IN PARKING REGULATIONS TO THE
DOWNTOWN IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT AND ENCOURAGE MORE BUSINESSES
AND TENANTS TO CONSIDER LOCKING IN THESE TWO BLOCKS OFá--
LOCATES IN THESE TWO BLOCKS OF GRANBY STREET.
THEREFORE, I ASK YOU TO PLEASE VOTE FOR INCLUSION OF THE THREE
CHARACTER DISTRICTS IN THE GENERAL PLAN AS RECOMMENDED TO
YOU BY YOUR CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.
IRENE O'BRIEN. >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO
SPEAK. MY NAME IS IRENE O'BRIEN.
I LIVE AT 833 BRANDON AVENUE, WHICH IS RIGHT OFF OF COLLEY
NEAR BLAIR MIDDLE SCHOOL. I AM A SECOND VICE PRESIDENT OF
THE GHENT NEIGHBORHOOD LEAGUE AND I'M ALSO LIAISON TO THE
GHENT BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. I COME HERE BEFORE YOU AS NOT
SOMEBODY WHO LIVES ALONG THE HAGUE BUT IS CONCERNED ABOUT MY
COMMUNITY OF GHENT. I FEEL A LOT LIKE WE'RE PUTTING
THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE NOT KNOWING WHAT EXACTLY OR EVEN
JUST A GENERAL IDEA OF WHAT THE FUTURE ZONING WILL BE FOR THESE
AREAS. AND I FEEL THAT RIGHT NOW, IF WE
MAYBE KIND OF LEFT THAT AREA THAT IS NORTH OF BRAMBLETON,
NEAR THE GHENT AREA ALONG THE HAGUE, OUT OF THE CHARACTER
DISTRICT TO BE DECIDED UPON AFTERWARDS ONCE ZONING WAS
FIGURED OUT, THAT WOULD BE MORE PRODUCTIVE FOR THE CHARACTER
DISTRICTS TO MOVE FORWARD AND, YOU KNOW, RESOLVE THESE
CONTROVERSIAL AND UNKNOWN QUESTIONS.
THE AREA OF NORTH OF BRAMBLETON NEAR GHENT, I FEEL, HAS ALREADY
HADá-- IS ALREADY A GREAT DIVIDING LINE.
YOU KNOW, A SIX-LANE ROAD IS A PRETTY GOOD INDICATOR, I THINK.
THE AREA NORTH OF BRAMBLETON ON GRANBY, THOUGH, THAT IS AN AREA
THAT NEEDS DEVELOPMENT AND I THINK IT, YOU KNOW, BEING
CHARACTERIZED AS PUT INTO DOWNTOWN IS SOMETHING THAT IS
VERY IMPORTANT, BUT NOT ALL OF IT, YOU KNOW, THE AREA NORTH OF
BRAMBLETON NEEDS TO BE DONE. I DO ASK THAT, AS FAR AS
PARKING, MANY PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF OUR BIGGEST
CONCERNS. NOBODY IS GOING TO WALK ACROSS
SIX LANES OF ROAD TO GO PARK IN A CITY PARKING LOT NEAR THE Y OR
ANY PARKING LOT. THEY'RE GOING TO GO WALK ACROSS
THE FOOT BRIDGE AND PARK IN PEOPLE'S NEIGHBORHOODS AND
PARKING STICKERS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, WHILE IN DOWNTOWN
MAY BE EFFECTIVE, THEY ARE NOT EFFECTIVE IN GHENT, AND BY
EXAMPLE IS SENTARA. PEOPLE, THEY HAVE PLENTY OF
PARKING GARAGES AND PROBABLY PLENTY OF PA,ING FOR THEIRá--
PARKING FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES AND VISITORS, BUT EMPLOYEES STILL
PARK IN THE GHENT AREA AND IT'S HARD FOR THE CITY OF NORFOLK,
YOU KNOW, PARKING, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT WATCH OR THE POLICE
PAY ATTENTION AND MONITOR THESE AREAS.
SO, YOU KNOW, LASTLY, I ASK THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT THE GHENT
NEIGHBORHOOD LEAGUE AND THE GHENT BUSINESS ASSOCIATION IN
OUR OPPOSITION IN ALLOWING THIS AREA TO BE CARVED OUT AND PUT
INTO THE DOWNTOWN CHARACTER DISTRICT.
THANK YOU. >> TANYA BANKS SAYS SHE'S
OPPOSED TO THEá-- I GUESS TO THE ORDINANCE THE WAY IT'S DRAFTED,
DOESN'T WISH TO SPEAK. UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHINGá--
CHARLES SNYDER DOESN'T WISH TO SPEAK.
HE LISTS HIMSELF AS AN OPPONENT. TOM JOHNSON IS HERE TO ANSWER
QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
OKAY. DOES ANY STATEMENTS, ANY
QUESTIONS ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE? >> I JUST WANTá--
>> COMMENTS? OKAY.
FRANK? >> MAYBE YOU CAN TELL ME, BUT
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN URBAN AND DOWNTOWN?
I MEAN, JUST IN THE GENERAL SENSE, BECAUSE URBAN USUALLY
CONSISTS OF DOWNTOWN. >> URBAN IN THE CONTEXT IN WHICH
WE HAVE DESCRIBED IT INCLUDES NEIGHBORHOODS IN WHICH USES
EXIST IN PROXIMITY TO ONE ANOTHER, SUCH AS YOU FIND IN
GHENT WHERE YOU DO HAVE THE COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT BACK UP
IMMEDIATELY TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHEREAS DOWNTOWN, YOU TYPICALLY HAVE THEM MORE INTERMINGLED,
WHERE YOU HAVE MORE OF THE RESIDENTIAL IMMEDIATELY ABOVE OR
EVEN IN FREEMASON WHERE YOU'VE GOT THEM DIRECTLY NEXT TO ONE
ANOTHER. >> SO WE CREATED OUR OWN
DEFINITION? >> WE HAVE CREATED OUR OWN
DEFINITIONS. WHAT WE LOOKED AT WAS THE STREET
PATTERN, SO YOU'RE LOOK AT SMALLER BLOCKS IN YOUR DOWNTOWN
AREA. THEY BEGIN TO GET LARGER AS YOU
GET OUTSIDE OF DOWNTOWN INTO THE URBAN AREAS.
THE MIX OF USES IS DIFFERENT. BUILDING HEIGHTS IS DIFFERENT.
DOWNTOWN, YOU HAVE VERY SMALL LOTS, YARDS WHEREAS AS YOU GET
INTO URBAN, THEY BEGIN TO BECOME A LITTLE MORE GRACIOUS.
YOU GET INTO SUBURBAN AND YOU'RE GETTING INTO THE MUCH BIGGER
LOTS. >> OKAY.
I WAS JUSTá-- YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAD CREATED OUR OWN
DEFINITION, BUT I MEAN URBAN, YOU KNOWá--
>> IT WAS A CHALLENGE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORD THIS.
WE DID THE BEST WE COULD. >> OKAY.
>> LET ME SAY A COUPLE THINGS. I THINK THE BIG PROBLEM WE HAVE
IS THAT NOBODY KNOWS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE.
AFTER WE ESTABLISH THE DISTRICT, I THINK, YOU'RE SAYING BY LAW
AND THEN ESTABLISH WHAT GOES IN THE DISTRICTS.
THE IDEA OF EXEMPTING THESE, LEAVING THESE THREE PROPERTIES
IN NO MAN'S LAND, IS THAT AGAINST THE LAW, UNTIL WE FIGURE
OUT WHAT'S GOING ON GO IN DOWNTOWN AND WHAT'S GOING ON GO
IN GHENT AND WHAT IMPACT THAT MIGHT HAVE?
>> LEGALLY, YOU'RE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO DO THIS AT ALL.
>> I UNDERSTAND. AND THAT'S MY NEXT QUESTION.
IF WE VOTE FOR THIS AND IT'S IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, THEN, YOU
KNOW, THAT'S FINISHED. IF WE VOTE AGAINST IT, THEN
CHARACTER DISTRICTS ARE FINISHED.
>> YES, SIR. >> SO WE'RE IN A TERRIBLE
POSITION IN MY MIND BECAUSE WHAT ALL THIS WORK AND ALL THIS STAFF
HAS GONE THROUGH FOR MONTHS AND YEARS, IF IT GOES DOWN BECAUSE
GHENT WANTS ONE THING AND GETS THEIR WAY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, MAY
HAPPEN, THEN WE HAVE NO CHARACTER DISTRICTS.
SO WHY CAN'T WE, IF WE MAKE THE LAW, EXEMPT THOSE THREE
PROPERTIES AND PUT THEá-- EVERYTHING ELSE AS YOU HAVE IT,
FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT DOWNTOWN, WHAT THE
RULES ARE GOING TO BE THERE, WHAT THE RULES ARE GOING TO BE
IN URBAN, AND THEN REACT TO THOSE APPROPRIATELY AND THEN PUT
THOSE IN THE PLACEá-- SO THAT THERE'S NOT IN UNCERTAINTY THAT
PEOPLE HAVE OUT THERE? THE DOWN SIDE OF THAT IS THEY
STAY EXACTLY LIKE THEY'RE ZONED NOW, SO WHATEVER BY LAW THEY
COULD DO, THEY COULD DO UNTIL WE SETTLE THIS ISSUE.
>> BUT IF YOU PUT THEM IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, THEY STAY
EXACTLY THE WAY THEY ARE ANYWAY. IS THATá--
>> IN TERMS OF THEá-- >> WE DON'T KNOW.
>> WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH REGARD TO PARKING IS THAT THE
DOWNTOWN PARKING REQUIREMENT ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BRAMBLETON
WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE INSTITUTE
FOR TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS AND THIS OUTLINED AREA WHICH IS
ROUGHLY THREE-QUARTERSá-- I'M SORRY, TWO-THIRDS OF WHAT WOULD
BE REQUIRED IN SUBURBAN AREAS. AND THEN YOU GET INTO URBAN
AREAS AND IT'S ROUGHLY 80%. SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT. PARKING IS THE ONE THING WHERE
WE HAVE DONE RESEARCH WHERE I CAN TELL YOU THOSE ARE THE
STANDARDS THAT WE'VE PRESENTED TO YOU BEFORE THAT WOULD BEá--
WE'D BE RECOMMENDING WITH REGARD TO PARKING.
THE CHALLENGE THAT YOU'VE GOT IF YOU JUST LEAVE THESE AREAS
EXACTLY THE WAY THEY ARE NOW, PARKING REQUIREMENTS IS TO BE
DETERMINED AT THE TIME YOU DOá-- DEAL WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE
INDIVIDUAL PROJECT. THERE IS NO DEFINE STANDARD.
>> BUT WE CAN DO THAT UNTIL WE HAD SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY
UNDERSTOOD. >> BUT IT WOULD NOT ALLOW US TO
MAKE THE PROGRESS THAT WE'RE HOPING TO MAKE IN THE NORTH
BRAMBLETON AREA. THE IDEA BEHIND THIS CHARACTER
DISTRICT WAS TO GIVE US THE LEVERAGE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO
BRING IN DEVELOPMENT IN THE NORTH BRAMBLETON AREA AND TO
STOP THIS CONSTANT, EVERY TIME A DEVELOPMENT COMES TO US, THAT WE
AS COUNCIL, BECAUSE WE'RE UNDER SUBURBAN RULES RIGHT NOW, WE
WAIVE THE RESTRICTIONS. IT HAS INCONSISTENCY, IT WASTES
PEOPLE'S TIME, IT BRINGS A GREAT DEAL OF CONFUSION.
THE THING THATá-- >> BUT THERE'S NOTHING PENDING,
THERE'S NOTHING GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE TIME I WOULD HOPE WE
COULD GET THESE RULES SET. >> BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN'T GET THE
RULES SET WITHOUT THE BOUNDARIES.
BUT THERE IS ONE THING, AND FRANK, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG,
BECAUSE I'VE SAT THROUGH A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS AND FRANK
ALWAYS PRESENTS TO US WHAT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY THE REQUIREMENTS
FOR GREEN SPACE IN URBAN, THE REQUIREMENTS IN DOWNTOWN, THE
REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING. YOU WILL EVEN TELL US WHAT THE
PERCENTAGE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN THE TWO.
SO THE IMPRESSION THAT MANY HAVE LEFT OR ARE LEFT WITH, THAT
THESE AREá-- THESE ARE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE JUST
FLOATING AROUND WITH NO FRAMEWORK AT ALL, IS INCORRECT.
THERE ARE FRAMEWORKS. THEY MAY NOT BE VOTED ON YET,
BUT THERE CERTAINLY ARE FRAME WORKS THAT WE'VE ALL LISTENED
TO, WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT IN THE MEETINGS, SO IT REALLY ISN'T
AS NEBULOUS AS MANY PEOPLE SAY. I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE THAT ARE
SAYING HOW IN THE WORLD CAN WE VOTE ON THE RULES WHEN WE DON'T
KNOW THE RULES? WE ACTUALLY DO KNOW THE RULES.
WE MAY NOT HAVE IT DOWN TO THE FINITE, BUT FRANK, AM I CORRECT
ON THIS? >> YES, MA'AM.
>> SECONDLY, MY FRUSTRATION ON THIS, VERY FRANKLY, AND THIS IS
JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY I'M VOTING, IS I FEEL VERY STRONGLY
ABOUT HAVING CHARACTER DISTRICTS.
WE NEED CHARACTER DISTRICTS, BUT I AM FRUSTRATED THAT WE CAN'T
VOTE ON WHAT OUR PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS
WERE, WHICH WAS NO CARVE-OUTS. IT WAS CHARACTER DISTRICTS,
BECAUSE THE WAY WE'VE GOT IT NOW, IT'S EITHER UP OR DOWN.
LIKE BARCLAY IS SAYING, AND THEN YOU THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE
BATH WATER. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE MANY
PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SUPPORT THE CARVE-OUTS.
IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE GIVEN THAT OPTION FOR A VOTE FOR EACH
OF THEá-- THOSE POSSIBILITIES. >> FRANK, TELLá--
>> CAN I SAY, FIRST OF ALL, THIS THING CALLED THE CARVE-OUT, I
MEAN, YOU CAN CALL IT A CARVE-OUT OR A CARVE-IN ORá-- I
MEAN, THE ORIGINAL STAFF PROPOSAL, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WHEN IT ORIGINALLY WENT TO THE PLANNING
COMMISSION, WASá-- WHAT WAS IT? >> IT WAS TO INCLUDE THESE
PROPERTIES IN DOWNTOWN. >> OKAY.
>> AS WELL AS TO INCLUDEá-- >> IT WAS TO INCLUDE THE
PROPERTIES. >> YES.
>> IT WASá-- WHEN THE COMMUNITY DISCUSSION WAS HAD WITH GHENT,
THAT THEY MOVED, SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S THE FOLKS WHO AREá--
OR THEá-- THAT PIECE OF PROPER WAS CARVED OUT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE CREATING A EXCEPTION AND WHAT WE'VE HEARD
NOW FOR 40 YEARS, THAT THE TRADITION HAS BEEN THAT THEY
HAVE HAD DOWNTOWN STANDARDS. AND SO I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A
MISIMPRESSION BEING CREATED HERE BY SOMEHOW THESEá-- THAT THIS
PROPERTY IS BEING TREATED DIFFERENTLY.
I MEAN, BY ITS INCLUSION IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
AND IT'S NOT. IT'S THE WAY IT'S BEEN TREATED
SINCE WE'VE HAD A DOWNTOWN DISTRICT AND FOR THE LASTá--
SINCE THE 1960s. IT IS NOT A CHANGE, IT IS NOT,
YOU KNOW, A CARVE-OUT. IT'S NOT AN EXCEPTION, IF YOU
WILL. THE EXCEPTION WOULD BE TO DO
SOMETHING ELSE. LET MEá-- WOULD IT HELP THE
COUNCIL IF WE JUST SORT OF CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AND
THEN TRIED TOá-- YOU KNOW, MAYBE CAME BACK AND TRIED TO DEAL WITH
THE ISSUE IN ANOTHER MEETING OR ANOTHER DISCUSSION ORá--
>> I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION TO ASK FRANK.
FRANK, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTIONá--
>> WAIT A MINUTE. HOLD ON.
>> IT'S GOING TO HELP ME AND THEá--
>> FLY QUESTION? >> WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME.
>> ALL RIGHT. >> FRANK, IF WE DID NOTHING AND
SOMEBODY WANTED TO BID ON THAT PROPERTY TOMORROW, OKAY?
AND THIS BODY HAD TO VOTE, THEY COULD ACTUALLY GET A VARIANCE,
RIGHT? >> NO, SIR, THEY WOULDN'T BE
ABLE TO GET A VARIANCE BECAUSE THEY STILL WOULD HAVE USE OF THE
PROPERTY. THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE
YOU SHOWING IF THEY HAVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD MEET ALL
THE STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED IN THE ORDINANCE OR
ASK FOR WAIVERS FROM YOU FOR THOSE STANDARDS THAT YOU CAN
WAIVE. >> SO YOU WOULD CALL IT A
WAIVERS, YOU WOULDN'T CALL IT A VARIANCE.
>> BY CODE THEY ARE CALLED WAIVER, YES, SIR.
>> SO BASICALLYá-- AND SO TODAY, SOMEBODY COULD BUILD A 12-STORY
HIGH RISE AND IF IT WAS THE WILL AND CONSENT OF THIS COUNCIL,
THEY COULD DO SO. >> YES, SIR.
>> OKAY. >> THEY COULD DO THAT PRESUMABLY
WITH NO WAIVERS. >> TODAY?
>> TODAY. >> OKAY.
WITH THE CHARACTER DISTRICTS IN PLACE, THEN WHAT WOULD THE
REQUIREMENT BE? >> THE ISSUE IS THAT THE PARKING
STANDARD WOULD BE FIXED INSTEAD OF BEING SOMETHING THAT A
DEVELOPER COULD COME TO YOU AND SAY WE'D LIKE TO WAIVE IT.
YOU WOULD HAVE AN OPEN SPACE STANDARD THAT WOULD BE FIXED
INSTEAD OF IT BEING SOMETHING THAT THE DEVELOPER COULD COME
BEFORE YOU AND SAY WE WANT TO WAIVE IT.
>> SO TODAY, THEY COULD DO ITá-- >> YES, SIR.
>> AND TOMORROW, IF YOU WOULD PUT THE CHARACTER DISTRICTS IN
PLACE, IT COULDN'T BECAUSE IT SPEAKS TO SPECIFICITY OF WHAT
WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? >> WHEN WE BRING FORWARD THE
REMAINING ORDINANCE, YES, SIR, THAT'S INTENDED TO PROVIDE
CERTAINTY TO THE PROCESS. >> WHAT HAPPENS TO THEá-- IF WE
APPROVE IT TODAY AND WE BRING ITá--
>> DO YOU WANT TO VOTE TONIGHT? >> I WANT TO VOTE.
>> WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN NOW AND THE CHARACTER DISTRICTS NOT
REALLY KNOWING THE RULES AND DECEMBER WHEN WE GET THE RULES
IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO DEVELOP IT? >> NOT A THING BECAUSE WHAT
GOVERNS THE USE OF THE PROPERTY IS THE ZONING, WHICH IS WHY I
STRESSED AT THE BEGINNING, THIS IS NOT A REGULATORY CHANGE, IT'S
A PLANNING CHANGE. >> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY
COULD DO TODAY? >> THEY COULD DO EXACTLY WHAT
THEY COULD DO TODAY. >> NOT UNTIL WE VOTE IN DECEMBER
FOR ZONING WITH THERE BE A CHANGE.
>> OKAY. SO BACK TO MY QUESTION ABOUT
LEAVING OUT THE THREE PROPERTIES.
ONLY THREE PROPERTIES IN THE CITY THAT AREá-- WHY COULDN'T WE
JUST CREATE AN ISLAND UNTO THEMSELVES, LET THOSE SIT OUT
THERE UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND, AND THEN CREATE THE CHARACTER
DISTRICTS AND THEN MAKE THE DECISION WHICH CHARACTER
DISTRICT TO PUT THEM IN BASED ON HOW IT AFFECTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD
OR HOW IT AFFECTS THE DEVELOPER? AND HOW IT AFFECTS THE
DEVELOPER. >> THE CHALLENGE WE WOULD HAVE
IS AS WE BEGIN DEVELOPING THE PARKING REGULATIONS, FOR
EXAMPLE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME CONCRETE REGULATIONS, SO MY
RECOMMENDATION TO YOU WOULD BE TO PUT THEM IN ONE OF THE THREE
CHARACTER DISTRICTS, ACTUALLY ONE OF THE TWO.
COULD YOU PUT THEM IN URBAN TONIGHT?
ABSOLUTELY. BY SIMPLE MOTION OF COUNCIL JUST
AS YOU TOOK EAST BEACH AND MOVED IT FROM URBAN TO SUB BARB BAN,
YOU COULD DO THE SAME THING WITH THESE THREE PROPERTIES.
>> WELL, COULD YOU MOVEá-- I KNOW THAT.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT
IMPACTS ALL INVOLVED BEFORE I DO IT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SAYING
THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING SITUATION, BY THE
WAY, IS JUST AS AN ASIDE, NO DEVELOPER WORTH HIS SALT WOULD
EVER DEVELOP A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WASN'T PROPERLY PARKED,
ENOUGH PEOPLE THAT LIVED THERE, THAT WORKED THERE COULD PARK.
DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT, FRANK? >> I WOULD AND IN FACT ONE OF
THE CAUTIONS WE'VE HEARD FROM DEVELOPERS IS A FEAR THAT OUR
PROPOSED STANDARDS MAY BE TOO LOW.
UNTIL WE BEGIN TALKING AND WORKING THROUGH WHAT THEY ARE,
AND THEN THEY FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE.
>> I CAN'T CONCEIVE OF ANY TYPE PROPERTY WHERE YOU WOULD LEASE
TO SOMEBODY AND SAY, BY THE WAY, YOU HAVE TO FIND YOUR OWN
PARKING, SO I REALLY DON'T SEE THAT AS A HUGE ISSUE.
I STILL THINK THE UNCONCERNS IS THE THING THAT HAS EVERYBODY
WORRIED. >> ANDY?
>> IF I COULD RECOMMEND SOMETHING.
I HAVE MY OPINION OF THIS AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT AT
THIS POINT. HOWEVER, WE CANá-- AND THIS IS
JUST A MATTER OF PROCEDURE, PAUL, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M
WRONG, JUST A RECOMMENDATION. I WILL MOVE AT THIS POINT THAT
WE TAKE THOSE THREE PROPERTIES OUT OF THE DOWNTOWN PROPERTY
DISTRICT, MOVE IT INTO URBAN. WE CANá--
>> OKAY. >> WE CAN TRY TO SEE IF THAT
GOES UP OR DOWN. AND THEN I ASSUME THAT WE CAN
COME BACK ANDá-- >> SURE.
>> I MEAN IF THAT MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE I HAVE A GUT FEELING
THIS IS GOING TO BE A 4-3 AS IT IS.
IF NOT 5-2. SO I MEAN, THAT'S MY GUT, TO
MOVE IT ALONG. >> YEAH, OKAY.
I THAT I THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH. >> WELL, YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING
TO STILL PUT IN JEOPARDY THE CHARACTER DISTRICT PRINCIPLE
THAT WEá-- >> NO, BECAUSE WEá--
>> HE'S SAYINGá-- >> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE VOTE.
IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE UP OR DOWN WITH THE CARVE-OUT OR
CARVE-IN, AND THEN IF THAT DOESN'T GO, THEN WE CAN VOTE IT
THROUGH THE OTHER WAY. >> RIGHT.
BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING IT WILL BE 4-3 AS IT IS.
>> SO THEá-- >> IF NOTá--
>> I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE COULDN'T EXEMPT THE THREE
PROPERTIES. >> BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE ALL
THE BOUNDARIES DELINEATED BEFORE THEY CAN DO IT, THAT'S JUST THE
RULES. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THEá-- WELL,
LOOK UP. IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPECIFICS
THAT HE'S GOT DELINEATED, IT IS REALLY PRETTY WELL SPELLED OUT.
IT REALLY IS THERE FOR YOU, SO IT'S NOT SOME FLOATING ISSUE.
>> OKAY. THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS
THAT THOSE PROPERTIES, THE NORTH BRAMBLETON PROPERTIES BY THE
HAGUE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, BE IN THE TRADITIONALá--
OR IN THE DOWNTOWN CHARACTER DISTRICT.
AND THE MOTION IS THAT THEY BE MOVED INTO THE URBAN DISTRICT.
OKAY? >> SO WE CAN CALL THE ROLL ON
THAT. >> MR. BURFOOT.
>> NO. >> MR.áPROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS.áWILLIAMS.
>> NO. >> MR.áWINN.
>> NO. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> NO. PARDON ME?
>> I SAID THAT WILL BEá-- WELL, 3-4.
>> ALL RIGHT. SO WE NEED FIVE VOTES AND WE
DON'T GET THERE. NOW WE VOTE ON THE CHARACTER
DISTRICTS. OKAY.
>> TWO ORDINANCES FOR THIS SIDE MR.áPRESIDENT.
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE GENERAL PLAN OF NORFOLK, 1992,
SO AS TO DEFINE CHARACTER DISTRIBUTIONS WITHIN THE CITY
AND TO RECOMMEND THEIR LOCATIONS.
>> IF I MAY, MR.áMAYOR, I DON'T REMEMBER VOTING ON WHETHER EAST
BEACH IS URBAN AND SUB BARB BAN. >> NO, WE DID.
>> IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT. >> WE'RE NOT DONE.
>> OKAY, WE'RE NOT DONE. >> BEGINNING OF A LONG NIGHT.
>> OKAY. >> DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT.
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> KY SPEAK AT THIS TIMES?
>> YES. >> I THINK PROCEDURALLY, MY
PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO MOVE THESE PROPERTIES INTO THE URBAN
DISTRICT AND THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION, AND THERE ARE A
COUPLE REASONS BEHIND THAT AND I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO GIVE SOME
RATIONALE AS TO WHY. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT IN
LISTENING TO THE SPEAKERS TONIGHT A MAJORITY OF SPEAKERS
TONIGHT AND THE MAJORITY OF THE CONTACT WE'VE HAD HAS BEEN FROM
CITIZENS WHO LIVE IN THE AREA AND I REALLY THINK THAT WE HAVE
TO, WHEN WE WEIGH OUT THE BUSINESS SIDE OF IT, AND I
APPRECIATE BRUCE BEING HERE AND THE OTHERS THAT COME, AND RAY,
AND I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT YOU DON'T LIVE THERE.
I DON'T LIVE THERE, AND I HAVE TO REALLY RESPECT THE
INDIVIDUALS WHO LIVE IN THE AREA, AND YOU KNOW, IT WAS
INTERESTING, MOST OF THE MOST COMPELLING ARGUMENTS REALLY IS
THAT FOOT BRIDGE AND I KNOW THAT FOOT BRIDGE, WHAT YOU'RE GOING
TO HAVE IS, YES, YOU WOULD HAVEá-- I CAN SEE PEOPLE BEING
ON ONE SIDE, COMING ACROSS, PARKING OVER THERE, WHICH WAS
REALLY SOMETHING THAT REALLY HIT HOME WITH ME AND I MADE SURE I
WROTE THAT DOWN WHEN IT WAS SAID.
I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO FRANK. FRANK, YOU MAY HAVE GIVEN
ANTHONY THE CREDIT FOR THISá-- NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET UP.
I THINK WHAT STRUCK ME WAS AS TO WHY CHARACTER DISTRICTS ARE
SIGNIFICANT, WHEN WE FIRST CAME ON COUNCIL A LITTLE OVER TWO
YEARS AGO, IT SEEMED THAT EVERY DEVELOPER WAS COMING IN, WANTING
TO BUILD APARTMENTS ALL OVER THE CITY AND IT WAS WILLY-NILLY AND
I REMEMBER SAYING, AND AT SOMEá-- I WAS VOTING AGAINST
THEM, SAYING IF YOU WANT AN EXCEPTION, YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT
OR IF YOU WANT SOME KINDá-- WE'RE NOT, I'M NOT AGREEING TO A
VARIANCE, I'M NOT AGREEING, YOU'RE STUCK WITH THE LAW AS IT
IS. THAT'S THE DENSITY, THAT'S HOW
IT IS. AND FINALLY, I REMEMBER GOING TO
FRANK AND SAYING GO BLOCK BY BLOCK WITHIN THE CITY AND COME
UP WHERE WE CAN HAVE APARTMENTS AND WHERE WE CAN'T HAVE THEM
BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING UP EVERYWHERE.
AND THEN FRANK AND THE CHARACTER DISTRICTS, WHETHER THEY WERE IN
PLAY AT THE TIME OR STARTED COMING ABOUT BECAUSE WE DO NEED
TO GET SOME CONTROL OF THIS. AS TERRI SAID, WE DO KNOW WHERE
WE ARE GENERALLY IN OUR UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THEá-- OF
THE ZONING ISSUE. WE KNOW GENERALLY THE DENSITY
ISSUES. WE UNDERSTAND THOSE AND THERE
ARE GOING TO BE SOME ADJUSTMENTS.
IN THE END, I'M SOMEBODY WHO WANTS CHARACTER DISTRICTS, BUT I
FIGURED THAT WE COULD VOTE UP OR DOWN ON THIS ISSUE AND HAVING
LOST THAT ISSUE, I WILL NOW VOTE YES FOR THE CHARACTER
DISTRIBUTIONS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE AND
SOMETHING I'VE SOUGHT. IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE LOST
AMENDING IT TO CONSIDER WHAT WE WERE DOING WITH REGARD THESE
PROPERTIES, BUT I WILL VOTE IN FAVOR OF IT AT THIS TIME, SO
IT'S AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> NO. >> DR. WHIBLEY?
>> I SIMILARLY AMá-- HAVE TO REALLY THANK FRANK DUKE.
I CALL HIM ABOUT EVERY THREE DAYS REGARDING THIS ISSUE, AND
HE'S BEEN A REAL TROOPER AND HAS GONE TO ALL THE CIVIC LEAGUES,
EVEN WHEN HE WASN'T REQUESTED TO.
HE'S REALLY DONE NIS DUE DILIGENCE ON THAT AND I REALLY
WANT TO THANK HIM FOR THAT. I AM STRUCK BY THAT THE
NEIGHBORHOOD CAME. I'VE HEARD THEM SPEAK, THEY'RE
CONCERNED AS I ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THAT CORNER AND THE
SURROUNDING YARMOUTH. ONCE WE VOTE THIS IN, IT'S VOTED
IN THROUGH PERPETUITY. I UNDERSTAND NUSBAUM BEING
CONCERNED ABOUT LOSS OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, BUT THEN IT
GOES TO THE NEXT AND TO THE NEXT AND TO THE NEXT.
WHEN IT CAME TO EAST BEACH, THE NEIGHBORS SPOKE AND WE VOTED.
THIS TIME, IT CAME TO THE NEIGHBORS AND WE DIDN'T.
SO I'M DISAPPOINTED THAT IT HAPPENED.
BUT CHARACTER DISTRICTS ARE IMPORTANT AND, I LIKE ANDY, AM
NOT GOING TO THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER, SO I'M
GOING TO VOTE AYE. >> MS.áWILLIAMS.
>> YEAH E. >> MR.áWINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> I'M GOING TO VOTE AYE, BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE ONE MORE
PUNCTUATION POINT HERE. FIRST OF ALL, WE APPRECIATE
EVERYBODY COMING DOWN HERE AND THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN THIS REALLY
IMPORTANT ISSUE. I WOULD SAY THE DOWNTOWN NORFOLK
COUNCIL, THOSE FOLKS HAVEá-- I MEAN, THEY'RE ENLIGHTENED AS
WELL AS THE GHENT NEIGHBORHOOD LEAGUE IS AND THE GHENT BUSINESS
ASSOCIATION. YOU CAN TELL THIS COUNCIL IS
DIVIDED. WE SEE THIS STUFF DIFFERENTLY,
AND WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THE CITY FORWARD.
THE ISSUE ABOUT HERE ON THE NORTH OF BRAMBLETON, THE THING
THAT I KEEP COMING BACK TO IS WE HADá-- IS THAT ZONING AND
DISTINCTIONS OF THESE DISTRIBUTIONS ARE SORT OF SOCIAL
CONTRACTS THAT YOU HAVE WITH PEOPLE.
AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE INVESTED IN PROPERTY THERE WHO
HAVE A STAKE IN IT, WHO WE AREá-- WE WOULD BE CHANGING THE
GAME ON THEM RIGHT NOW. AND AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, I KNOW
WHAT FRANK SAID, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THESE FRAMEWORKS,
THAT VERY LITTLE, IF NOTHING, IS CHANGING BY MAINTAINING THE
PRESENT TRADITION, THE PRESENT DOWNTOWN DESIGNATION FOR THIS
PROPERTY. I JUSTá-- AND WE'RE ALSO
MAINTAINING THAT SOCIAL CONTRACT WITH PEOPLE WHO INVEST IN OUR
CITY, SOá-- ANYWAY, I'M SORRY, BUT Iá-- SO.
>> SECOND IS AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND AND REORDAIN SECTION 2-3
OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF NORFOLK 1992 IN ORDER TO
CREATE DEFINITIONS OF CHARACTER DISTRICTS.
MR. BURFOOT. >> I WILL SAY THIS.
THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE UP HERE HAS A LEVEL OF EXPERTISE IN
VARIOUS AREAS. I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY,
WE'RE PROTECTING THE COMMUNITIES AROUND, IN AND AROUND DOWNTOWN
BY CREATING THESE CHARACTER DISTRICTS, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY,
BY PUTTING THIS IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN,
IF WE DO THIS RIGHT AND I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH FRANK,
THE COMMUNITY WILLá-- THE COMMUNITIES AROUND IT WOULD NOT
BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED, AND IT ENSURES THAT WE HAVE THE PROPER
CONTROLS IN TERMS OF DEALING WITH DEVELOPERS AND I THINK AT
THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO ESTABLISH.
YOU WANT TO TRY TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE COMMUNITIES
AROUND IT, BUT ALSO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET THE RIGHT MIX OF
THE DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT BE COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL OR
RESIDENTIAL IN THOSE COMMUNITIES AND PRESERVE THOSE COMMUNITIES
FOR YEARS TO COME. SO I VOTE AYE.
>> MR.áPROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS.áWILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING DOWN.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION AND THE INTEREST
EVERYONE HAS DEMONSTRATED. THANK YOU.
PUBLIC HEARING 2, PLEASE. >> HEARING SCHEDULED THIS DAY
PURSUANT TO ACTION OF THE COUNCIL ON JULY 24, 2012, UNDER
THE STATE LAW, TO HEAR COMMENTS ON THE SALE OF APPROXIMATELY ONE
ACRE OF CITY OWNED LAND ON MONTICELLO AVENUE BETWEEN 16th
AND 17th STREETS TO CHICK-FIL-A, INC.
>> THERE'S NO MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TO THE
COUNCIL ON THIS MATTER. CALL THE ROLL.
>> I HAVE AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE LAND DISPOSITION
AND DEVELOPMENT CONTRACT TO BE ENTERED INTO WITH CHICK-FIL-A
AND AUTHORIZING THE CONVEYANCE OF REAL PROPERTY TO CHICK-FIL-A
AS PROVIDED IN THE LDDC. DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT.
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
CAN I SPEAK? >> SURE.
>> IS THIS Aá-- IS THISá-- IS THIS A CONTINGENT CONTRACT
SHOULD CHICK-FIL-A NOT BE SATISFIED WITH WHAT PLANNING IS
SAYING OR DOING WITH REGARD TO THE SETTING OF THE CHICK-FIL-A
ON THE PROPERTY? >> WE HAVE DESIGN REVIEW.
>> RIGHT. >> SO THAT IF CHICK-FIL-A IS NOT
WILLINGá-- IF WE DON'T REACH AGREEMENT ON THE DESIGN, CLOSING
IS CONTINGENT TO THAT. >> OKAY.
>> SO THIS IS A CONTINGENT MATTER IS WHAT WE'RE VOTING UPON
TO ALLOW? >> THE CONTRACT IS NOT
CONTINGENT ON THAT, BUT THE CONTRACT REQUIRES THE DESIGN TO
BE APPROVED BY US. SO THAT IT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION
OF THE CONTRACTá-- THE CONTRACT REQUIRES DESIGN REVIEW AND
APPROVAL. >> IF OUR DESIGN REVIEW AND
APPROVAL SAYS WE DON'T LIKE YOUR BUILDING, WE'RE NOT BREACHING
THE CONTRACT? >> NO, SO WE'REá--
>> THEY'RE ALLOWED OUT. >> THEY COULD ENJOIN OR
TERMINATEá-- >> THEY'RE ALLOWED OUT, SO
THAT'S A CONTINGENCY THEN, AM I CORRECT?
>> YES. >> ALL RIGHT.
AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. PUBLIC HEARING 3, PLEASE.
>> PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED THIS DAY PURSUANT TO ACTION OF THE
COUNCIL ON JULY 24, 2012, UNDER THE STATE LAW, ON THE
APPLICATION OF FAITH IN ACTION CHURCH BY WILLIAM M. VEREBELY,
JR. TO AMEND THE GENERAL PLAN OF NORFOLK, 1992, TO CHANGE THE
LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO
COMMERCIAL/OFFICE, AND FOR A CHANGE OF ZONING FROM R-11 AND
C-2 DISTRICTS TO CONDITIONAL C-2 DISTRICT ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT
4603 CAPE HENRY AVENUE. BY A VOTE OF 6-0, PLANNING
COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. >> AND FRED GALLOP, WHO I SEE
OUT HERE, ON BEHALF OF THE CIVIC LEAGUE IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS. HE'S A PROPONENT, AND WILLIAM
ZARABY IS HERE AS WELL. HE IS THE APPLICANT.
NO OTHERá-- NO OPPOSITION. NO OTHER SPEAKERS.
CALL THE ROLL. >> I HAVE TWO ORDINANCES.
I HAVE AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE GENERAL PLAN OF NORFOLK, 1992,
SO AS TO CHANGE THE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR PROPERTY LOCATED
AT 4603 CAPE HENRY AVENUE FROM MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO
COMMERCIAL/OFFICE. DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT.
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
PUBLIC HEARING 4. >> I HAVE A SECOND ORDINANCE.
ORDINANCE TO REZONE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4603 CAPE HENRY
AVENUE FROM C 2 TO TRADITIONAL. DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT TO READING THE ORDINANCE.
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
>> PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED THIS DAY PURSUANT TO ACTION OF THE
COUNCIL ON JULY 24, 2012, UNDER THE STATE LAW, ON THE
APPLICATION OF RAINBOW BUILDING CORPORATION BY DONALD KOESTER TO
AMEND THE GENERAL PLAN OF NORFOLK, 1992, FROM LOW DENSITY
RESIDENTIAL TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND FOR A CHANGE OF
ZONING FROM R-8 DISTRICT TO CONDITIONAL R-9 DISTRICT ON
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3316 MARNE AVENUE.
BY VOTE OF 6-0, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
>> CALL THE ROLL. >> I HAVE TWO ORDINANCES FOR
THIS. I HAVE AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE
GENERAL PLAN OF NORFOLK, 1992, SO AS TO CHANGE THE LAND USE
DESIGNATION FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3316 MARNE AVENUE FROM LOW
DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> HE'S NOT SEEKING TO BUILD MULTIFAMILY HERE, IS HE?
>> LOOK AT THE TWO SEPARATE UNITS, WHICH IS THE LOT WITH IT.
>> NO, SIR, WHAT THE REQUEST IS IS TO REZONE THE PROPERTY SO IT
CAN BE SUB DIVIDED AND CREATE TWO SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES.
>> AYE. >> I JUST PULL IT UP FAST ENOUGH
AND I LOOK AT IT, BUT UNDERSTAND IT.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS.áWILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
PUBLIC HEARING FIVE. >> SECOND ORDINANCE IS AN
ORDINANCE TO REZONE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3316 MARNE AVENUE
FROM R-8 TO CONDITIONAL R-9. DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT.
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
PUBLIC HEARING 5, PLEASE. >> PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED THIS
DAY PURSUANT TO ACTION OF THE COUNCIL ON JULY 24, 2012 UNDER
THE STATE LAW, ON THE APPLICATION OF ROBYN THOMAS FOR
A CHANGE OF ZONING FROM I-1 DISTRICT TO C-2 AND PCO-21st
DISTRICTS ON PROPERTY LOCATED AT 901-921 WEST 21st STREET.
BY VOTE OF 6-0, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
>> AND ROBYN THOMAS IS HERE AS THE APPLICANT AND THE PROPONENT
IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
OKAY. >> I HAVE AN ORDINANCE TO REZONE
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 901 TO 921 WEST 21st STREET FROM I-1
DISTRICT AND PCO-21st DISTRICT. DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT.
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
PUBLIC HEARING 6. >> PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED THIS
DAY PURSUANT TO ACTION OF THE COUNCIL ON JULY 24, 2012, UNDER
THE STATE LAW, ON THE APPLICATION OF VICKI S. HATCH
FOR THE CLOSING, VACATING, AND DISCONTINUING A PORTION OF
KINCAID AVENUE FROM THE WESTERN LINE OF EARLY STREET TO ITS
TERMINUS. BY VOTE OF 6-0, PLANNING
COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. >> NO ONE SIGNED UP TO ADDRESS
IS COUNCIL ON THIS MATTER. SO YOU CAN CALL THE ROLL.
>> I HAVE AN ORDINANCE CLOSING, VACATING, AND DISCONTINUING A
PORTION OF KINCAID AVENUE AND AUTHORIZING THE CONVEYANCE TO
THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNER OF ANY INTEREST THE CITY MAY HAVE
IN THE UNDERLYING FEE OF SAID PORTION OF KINCAID AVENUE.
DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. THE CONSENT AGENDA, THERE ARE
NINE ITEMS HERE AND IS C-7 GOING TO BE VOTED ON AT THE END OF THE
DOCKET AS A REGULAR AGENDA ITEM, RIGHT?
>> THAT'S CORRECT, MR.áPRESIDENT.
>> DOES ANY MEMBER OF THE COUNCILá-- WOULD YOU LIKE TO
HAVE ANY ONE OF THESE MATTERS CONSIDERED SEPARATELY?
>> C-8. >> C-8?
OKAY. >> TO APPROVE THE CONSENT
AGENDAS WITH EXCEPTION OF C. 7 AND 8.
MR.áBURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
AND THIS IS TO ADVERTISE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT, C-8?
>> YES, SIR. >> AND GEL LEAH, DO YOU HAVEá--
>> NO, I'D JUST LIKE TO TALK WITH THE CIVIC LEAGUES AND WHAT
NOT ON THIS ISSUE MORE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD ON IT.
>> BEFORE WE SCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING?
>> YES. >> OKAY.
THEN WHY DON'T WE JUST DELAY THIS ONE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING,
WHAT IS THAT, THE 11th? OF SEPTEMBER?
>> YES, SIR. >> THE NEXT NIGHT MEETING?
OKAY. CONTINUED UNTIL 9/11 ON THE
CONSENT AGENDA. >> MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR.áPROTOGYROU.
>> IF I COULD ASK, I HAVE NOTICED THERE SEEMS TO BEá-- AND
IT'S COMING UP OFTEN, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF AUTO REPAIR
FACILITIES, TIRE FACILITIES, AND I JUSTá-- AUTO REPAIR AND TRUCK
FACILITY. WITHIN THE CITY.
AND I DON'Tá-- I UNDERSTAND WE WANT BUSINESSES HERE, BUT
THERE'S A LOT THAT COMES WITH THESE, CARS ON THE LOTS, PARTS
LAYING EVERYWHERE. I MEAN, I REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE
WITH THIS. IT'S SOMETHINGá-- AND I
APPRECIATE ANGELIA WANTING TO PULL IT AND I WANT TO WRAP IT UP
WITH THIS. THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS
REALLYá-- IF WE CAN HAVE FRANK LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE IT'S ALMOST
TO THE EXTENT OF CHECK CASHING FACILITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT,
THAT THEY'RE COMING UP, AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST ONE.
THIS IS ABOUT THE THIRD IN THE LAST FOUR MEETINGS.
LITTLE CREEK ROAD IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT WENT WRONG, SO
I'LL AGREE WITH PUTTING IT OFF AND SAY AYE, BUT WE REALLY NEED
TO EXAMINE THIS. >> FRANK, WE DON'T NEED TOCH
BECAUSE WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT IN AN INFORMAL SESSION OF THE
COUNCIL. >> JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW
YOU DO HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THIS ITEM FROM THE EAGLE
SIDE CIVIC LEAGUE. WE DID NOT MOVE THIS TO PLANNING
COMMISSION UNTIL WE HAD THAT SUPPORT.
>> AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S VOTE WAS?
>> THEY RECOMMENDED SUPPORT BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION OF
THEá-- FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> OKAY.
THEN THE MOTION IS TO CONTINUE TO SEPTEMBER 11th.
>> AND I'M AT MR. SMIGIEL. >> AND JUST REAL QUICK, LOOKING
AT THE MAP OF THIS, THIS IS TOTALLY WITHIN AN INDUSTRIAL
AREA, NOT ON A MAIN ROAD, BUT AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS.áWILLIAMS. >> AND INGLESIDE AT MANGROVE IS
INDUSTRIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, SO THAT POTENTIAL FOR THOSE EXTRA
CARS, THAT'S WHAT THE CONCERN IS FOR ME.
I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO THE CIVIC LEAGUE AND JUST DOUBLE
CHECK AND MAKE SURE WITH THEM. AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
R-1, PLEASE. >> WE DIDN'T DO 7?
YOU'RE GOING TO DO 7á-- >> AT THE END OF REGULAR AGENDA.
ALL RIGHT. >> TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT, MAN.
>> R-1. >> AN ORDINANCE ACCEPTING
$100,000 FROM THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT FISCAL YEAR 2011 HOMELAND SECURITY GRANT PROGRAM
AND APPROPRIATING AND AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF
THE FUNDS FOR THE PURCHASE OF LICENSE PLATE READERS FOR THE
HAMPTON ROADS URBAN AREA SECURITY INITIATIVE REGION GRANT
PROGRAM. DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT.
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
R-2. >> AN ORDINANCE ACCEPTING A 2012
PUBLIC SAFETY GRANT AWARD OF UP TO $1,500 FROM THE TARGET
CORPORATION, AND APPROPRIATING AND AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE
OF THE GRANT FUNDS TO SUPPORT THE NORFOLK POLICE DEPARTMENTĺS
CITYWIDE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT EVENT.
DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. R-3.
>> A RESOLUTION ACKNOWLEDGING AND CONCURRING WITH THE JUNE 20,
2012, RESOLUTION OF NORFOLK PUBLIC SCHOOLS 55512 ELECTING
THE EMPLOYER-CERTIFIED CONTRIBUTION RATE OF 11.10% ON
BEHALF OF EMPLOYEES WHO ARE MEMBERS OF THE VIRGINIA
RETIREMENT SYSTEM EFFECTIVE JULYá1, 2012.
DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. RIDDICK.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
R-4. >> AN ORDINANCE ACCEPTING GRANT
FUNDS IN THE AMOUNT OF $337,050 FROM THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES FOR THE CONTINUATION OF THE
VICTIM/WITNESS ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND APPROPRIATING AND
AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF THE FUNDS FOR THE PROGRAM.
DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. R-5.
>> AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO PERMIT THE
OPERATION OF A COMMERCIAL DRIVE-THROUGH FACILITY ON
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1818 MONTICELLO AVENUE.
BY 4-0 VOTE, PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
>> AND MR.áJEREMY RIVES AND ROB HEB NER ARE HERE TO ANSWER
QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT.
>> DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. R-6.
>> AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO PERMIT THE
OPERATION OF AN EATING AND DRINKING ESTABLISHMENT ON
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 420 MONTICELLO AVENUE, SUITE 100.
BY 3-0, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENTá--
>> JUST A SECOND. PHIL GARRISON IS HERE TO ANSWER
QUESTIONS IF WE HAVE ANY. I'M SORRY.
GO AHEAD. >> DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT.
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
R-7. >> AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A
SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO OPERATE AN ENTERTAINMENT ESTABLISHMENT ON
PROPERTY LOCATED AT 241 GRANBY STREET.
PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. R-8.
>> AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO PERMIT THE
OPERATION OF AN ENTERTAINMENT ESTABLISHMENT ON PROPERTY
LOCATED AT 123 WEST 21st STREET. PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS
APPROVAL. >> MR.áSUM WILLIAMS, ARE YOU
HERE? AND ALLEN BASEN IS HERE TO
ANSWER QUESTIONS. OKAY.
CAL THE ROLL. >> DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT.
>> MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> IN PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS.áWILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
R-9. >> AN ORDINANCE PERMITTING CAPE
VIEW VILLAGE I CONDOMINIUM OWNERS ASSOCIATION TO ENCROACH
INTO CITY PROPERTY AT 1878 EAST OCEAN VIEW AVENUE WITH A WOOD
WALKWAY AND STAIRS. DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT TO READ THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT.
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> MS.áWILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
R-10. >> AN ORDINANCE GRANTING
RIVERVIEW ASSOCIATES, LLC, PERMISSION TO ENCROACH INTO THE
RIGHT OF WAY OF 1907 COLONIAL AVENUE AND APPROVING THE TERMS
AND CONDITIONS OF THE ENCROACHMENT AGREEMENT.
DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. R-11.
>> AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND AND REORDAIN SECTION 25-321 OF THE
NORFOLK CITY CODE, 1979, SO AS TO ADD A SECTION TO AUTHORIZE
THE OPERATION OF ELECTRIC GOLF CARTS IN BERKLEY AND PINEWELL.
>> JANE BETHEL IS HERE TOá-- SHE'S A PROPONENT.
JANE, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK? YOU WANTá-- CATCH YOU LATER?
OKAY. CALL THE ROLL.
>> DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> JUST REAL QUICKLY, I VOTED AGAINST THIS ONE TIME FOR A
CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX THAT WAS ASKING FOR THIS.
PINEWELL, WHICH IS IN WARD FIVE, HAD ASKED FOR THIS.
THEY'RE ADJACENT TO A GOLF COURSE.
THAT MAKES SENSE. I MEANá--
>> YOU VOTED AGAINST IT WHEN LOCKHAVEN CAME.
>> I THINK, THERE'S PLACEMENTS, WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THESE
GOLF CARTS, COMMUNITIES, BROAD CREEK, THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER
COMMUNITIES THAT MAKE SENSE BECAUSE THEY WERE DEFINED THAT
WAY, BUT WHEN WE START ALLOWING GOLF CARTS IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT
NORMALLY WOULDN'T HANDLE GOLF CARTS, I DON'T KNOWá--
>> LIKE LARCHMONT? >> I DON'T KNOW IF LATER ONá--
WE'RE NEXT TO AN AIRPORT. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF
CONVERSATION THIS LEADS TO. SHOULD WE HAVE CHARACTER
DISTRICTS FOR GOLF CARTS, FRANK? >> LEAVE FRANK ALONE.
HE'Sá-- >> I KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW, DOWN THE ROAD, WHEN WE'RE LOOKINGá--
>> I DEPENDS ON IF THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING FOR THEM.
>> IT WAS WARD TWO. >> AND BERKLEY SAID THE
SHIPYARDSá-- >> YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M JUST SAYING DOWN THE ROAD, JUST, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE
PLAN 2030, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED IN HERE
OR NOT, BUT, OF COURSE, AYE. >> WE NEED SOME AIR TIME.
>> OH, MAN. >> IT'S A GOLF COMMUNITY.
THEY CAN'T EVEN HAVEá-- >> WHAT AM I VOTING ON?
>> GOLF CARTS. >> AYE.
>> WE KNOW YOU'RE BEHIND THAT. >> HE REMINDED US THAT HE VOTED
AGAINST IT BEFORE, BUT NOW HE'S VOTING FOR IT.
>> IT WAS A ONE TO COMPLEX. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> THAT'S BECAUSE I DIDN'T LIKE YOU THEN.
GO AHEAD. >> MR. WINN.
>> BARCLAY. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> YES, AYE. R-12.
>> AN ORDINANCE PERMITTING BARBARA SMITH TO ENCROACH INTO
NORTH SHORE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY WITH AN EXISTING HOUSE AND
OVERHANG. DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT.
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
R-13. >> AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE
TERMS OF RIGHT OF ENTRY AGREEMENT WITH ADAMS OUTDOOR
ADVERTISING RELATIVE TO CERTAIN VACANT PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1301
NORTH MILITARY HIGHWAY IN THE CITY OF NORFOLK.
DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. R-14.
>> AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND AND REORDAIN SECTIONS 25-653, 654,
AND 656 OF THE NORFOLK CITY CODE, 1979, SO AS TO ADD ONE NEW
YIELD INTERSECTION, 21 NEW STOP INTERSECTIONS, AND ONE TRUCKS OF
ONE-HALF TONS OR OVER PROHIBITION.
DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> THIS IS R-15. >> OKAY.
YES. >> I'M SORRY, 14.
>> YEAH, THIS IS THEá-- >> YES.
>> STOP SIGNS AND STUFF. >> I SAID AYE.
>> I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. R-15.
>> AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE ACQUISITION OF AN EASEMENT FOR
RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS OVER CERTAIN PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2900
CAPE HENRY AVENUE IN THE CITY OF NORFOLK, APPROVING THE TERMS AND
CONDITIONS OF THE DEED OF EASEMENT, AND AUTHORIZING THE
EXPENDITURE OF THE SUM OF $350 FROM FUNDS HERETOFORE
APPROPRIATED TO PAY THE PURCHASE PRICE FOR THE EASEMENT.
DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. R-16.
>> AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE ACQUISITION OF AN EASEMENT FOR
RIGHT OF WAY IMPROVEMENTS OVER CERTAIN PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3000
CAPE HENRY AVENUE IN THE CITY OF NORFOLK, APPROVING THE TERMS AND
CONDITIONS OF THE DEED OF EASEMENT, AND AUTHORIZING THE
EXPENDITURE OF THE SUM OF $600 FROM FUNDS HERETOFORE
APPROPRIATED TO PAY THE PURCHASE PRICE FOR THE EASEMENT.
DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. R-17.
>> AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE CONVEYANCE TO THE CITY OF
NORFOLK BY CHILDRENĺS HOSPITAL OF THE KINGĺS DAUGHTERS,
INCORPORATED, OF CERTAIN PROPERTY LOCATED AT INTERSECTION
OF THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF GREENWAY COURT AND HAMPTON
BOULEVARD IN THE CITY OF NORFOLK, VIRGINIA, AND
AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO ACCEPT THE DEED ON BEHALF OF THE
CITY. DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT.
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
R-18. >> AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND AND
REORDAIN ARTICLE X OF CHAPTER 25 OF THE NORFOLK CITY CODE, 1979,
SO AS TO ALLOW THE RIDING OF BICYCLES ON SIDEWALKS BY
AMENDING SECTION 25-398 AND TO ELIMINATE THE REGISTRATION
REQUIREMENTS FOR BICYCLES BY REPEALING SECTIONS 25-377,
25-379, 25-380, 25-381, 25-382, 25-383, 25-384 AND 25-385, AND
AMENDING SECTION 25-378. DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT.
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
R-19. >> A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE
NORFOLK COMMUNITY SERVICES BOARDĺS PERFORMANCE CONTRACT
WITH THE COMMONWEALTH FOR FISCAL YEAR 2012 RENEWABLE BY MUTUAL
AGREEMENT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2014. ADOPT RESOLUTION.
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
R-20. >> AN ORDINANCE AMENDING
ORDINANCE NUMBER 44,654 SO AS TO PROVIDE HEALTH BENEFITS FOR ONE
PREVIOUSLY AUTHORIZED SPECIAL PROJECT POSITION.
DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> SPECIAL PROJECTS POSITION? >> YES, THIS IS PREVIOUSLY
APPROVED AND THE INTENTION WAS THAT IT WOULD HAVE HEALTH
INSURANCE WITH IT. GENERALLY IT DOESN'T, SO THIS IS
JUST TO MAKE THE PROVISION FOR THE HEALTH INSURANCE.
>> OKAY. AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
R-21. >> AN ORDINANCE VACATING THE
WESTERN FIVE FEET OF A TEN-FOOT DRAINAGE EASEMENT LOCATED ALONG
THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE OF LOTá2, BLOCK 5, SUBDIVISION OF
SUSSEX, ALSO KNOWN AS 604 STERLING STREET, IN THE CITY OF
NORFOLK. DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT.
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
R-22. >> AN ORDINANCE TO CHANGE THE
STARTING TIME OF THE REGULAR WEEKLY CITY COUNCIL MEETING
SCHEDULED FOR TUESDAY, SEPTEMBERá25, 2012, AT 7:00 P.M.
TO SEPTEMBER 24, 2012, AT 9:00áA.M. AND TO MOVE THE
LOCATION OF SAID MEETING. DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT.
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
R-23. >> AN ORDINANCE DIRECTING THE
CITY TREASURER TO ISSUE A REFUND TO QUARLES PETROLEUM, INC.,
BASED UPON THE CORRECTION OF BUSINESS LICENSE TAX
ASSESSMENTS. DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT.
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
R-24. >> AN ORDINANCE DIRECTING THE
CITY TREASURER TO ISSUE A REFUND TO CCA FINANCIAL, LLC, BASED
UPON THE CORRECTION OF BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX
ASSESSMENTS. DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT.
MR. BURFOOT. >> AYE.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
R-25. >> AN ORDINANCE DIRECTING THE
CITY TREASURER TO ISSUE A REFUND TO CMA-CGM AMERICA, LLC, BASED
UPON THE CORRECTION OF BUSINESS LICENSE TAX ASSESSMENTS.
DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. R-26.
>> AN ORDINANCE DIRECTING THE CITY TREASURER TO ISSUE A REFUND
TO PORT NORFOLK TRANSPORT, INC., BASED UPON THE CORRECTION OF
BUSINESS LICENSE TAX ASSESSMENTS TAX YEARS 2007 THROUGH 2008.
DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. R-27.
>> AN ORDINANCE DIRECTING THE CITY TREASURER TO ISSUE A REFUND
TO CROFTON DIVING CORPORATION BASED UPON THE CORRECTION OF
BUSINESS LICENSE TAX ASSESSMENTS TAX YEAR 2012.
DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. R-28.
>> AN ORDINANCE DIRECTING THE CITY TREASURER TO ISSUE A REFUND
TO NYT SHARED SERVICES CENTER, INC., BASED UPON THE CORRECTION
OF BUSINESS PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX ASSESSMENTS.
DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. R-29.
>> AN ORDINANCE TO ACCEPTING A GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $29,684
FROM THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE SERVICES FOR
THE NORFOLK COURT-APPOINTED SPECIAL ADVOCATE, CASA, PROGRAM,
APPROPRIATING AND AUTHORIZING THE EXPENDITURE OF THE GRANT
FUNDS FOR THE PROGRAM, APPROPRIATING UP TO $41,005 IN
CITY MATCHING FUNDS AND CREATING AND FUNDING A SPECIAL PROJECT
EMPLOYEE POSITION FOR THE CASA PROGRAM DIRECTOR.
DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> JUST A QUICK QUESTION, BERNARD.
WITH THOSE GRANTS THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE, CAN THEY GET LUMPED
TOGETHER IN ONEá-- DO THEY HAVE TO BE INDIVIDUAL OR CAN THEY GO
ON TO OUR CONSENT ITEMS? >> LET ME PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.
IT WILL VARY, SO THAT THIS ONE HAS WITH IT AN APPROPRIATION IN
ADDITION, AND PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, AND
SEPARATE BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST TO ACCEPT THE GRANT, SO THATá--
LET ME SEE IF I CAN'T GET MORE EFFICIENCY, BUT THIS ONE NEEDED
TO STAND ALONE. >> OKAY.
GREAT. THANKS, AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
R-30. >> A RESOLUTION ESTABLISHING THE
MAYORĺS COMMISSION ON POVERTY REDUCTION.
>> JUST A SECOND. DAN MONTAGUE?
>> GOOD EVENING, MR.áMAYOR, COUNCIL, MR.áJONES.
MY NAME IS DAN MON TA GU, I LIVE AT 4605 CREEK STREET HERE IN THE
CITY OF NORFOLK. I HAVE TO TAKE PART IN THIS
POVERTY REDUCTION COMMITTEE, COMMISSION, BECAUSE MY HRUSB
BILL THIS MONTH IS HALF AGAIN AS MUCH AS IT WAS A COUPLE MONTHS
BACK. I KEEP TELLING THIS COUNCIL,
THIS LITTLE BAG HERE, I PUT OUT EVERY WEEK, AND IT DOESN'T WEIGH
TEN POUNDS WHEN I PUT IT IN THE CAN.
BUT YET, MY RATE KEEPS GOING UP, AND THE THING ABOUT IT IS, WE
HAVE GOT TO DRAW THE LINE ON THIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MY
PENSION CHECKS DON'T KEEP GOING UP AND SO THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, I
MEAN, I'M PUTTING OUT THE SAME LITTLE BIT OF TRASH, YOU KNOW,
BUT YOU GUYS KEEP RAISING THE RATES ON ME.
YOU KNOW, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND IF IT WAS THREE OR FOUR DOLLARS,
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE MAKING HALF AGAIN AS MUCH AS IT
WAS IN THE SPRING, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MUCH.
SO MAKEá-- >> SO YOU'RE AGAINST THE POVERTY
COMMISSION? >> HUH?
>> NEVER MIND. >> I'M FOR IT BECAUSE I NEED IT.
>> GOT IT. THANK YOU, DAN.
>> TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
R-31. >> AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND AND
REORDAIN CHAPTER 2.1 OF THE NORFOLK CITY CODE, 1979, AS
AMENDED, SO AS TO ADD ONE NEW ARTICLE.
AND THIS ITEM ESTABLISHES MILITARY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE MAYOR'S ADVISORY COMMISSION ON
VETERANS AFFAIRS. >> JOHN WILLIS.
MR.áWILLIS, WILL YOUá-- I'LL BE RIGHT WITH YOU, TOM.
>> EXCUSE ME, I'M NOT DOING TOO WELL.
MY NAME IS JOHN WILLIS, I HAVE LIVED IN THE CITY OF NORFOLK AT
DIFFERENT ADDRESSES FOR THE BETTER PART OF 50 YEARS.
I LIVE IN A 2200 BLOCK OF TARRALLTON DRIVE RIGHT NOW.
I LIVED THERE FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS.
OKAY. I'M ALSO PRESIDENT OF BRANCH 60
OF THE FLEET RESERVE ASSOCIATION, VETERANS
ASSOCIATION FOR SEA SERVICE VETERANS, NAVY, MARINE CORPS AND
COAST GUARD. WE CURRENTLY HAVE SOME
900-SOME-ODD MEMBERS. HAVING LIVED HERE FOR A LONG
TIME, I'VE SEEN THE CITY'S INTEREST IN VETERANS GO FROM
ENTHUSIASTIC EMBRACE TO DEAFENING INDIFFERENCE.
I AM FOR THIS ADVISORY COMMISSION ON VETERANS BECAUSE I
THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO PAY ATTENTION TO THEIR VETERANS.
HOW THEY THINK, HOW THEY LIVE, AND WHAT THEIR INTERESTS ARE.
I APPLAUD CAPTAIN FORá-- THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
>> THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN, MR.áWILLIS.
TOM LASHER. >> GOOD EVENING, TOM LESHER.
I RESIDE AT 4912 CAPE HENRY AVENUE IN NORFOLK.
THE CITY OF NORFOLK HAS WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES REPUTATION OF
JUST ABOUT EVERY MAJOR VETERANS ORGANIZATION THIS COUNTRY HAS,
AND IN SOME CASES, THERE ARE MORE AFFILIATESá-- WE HAVE TWO
OR THREE THREE AFFILIATES OFá-- EVEN THREE AFFILIATES OF EACH OF
THOSE ORGANIZATIONS. THIS CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE
WILL GIVE THE CITY COUNCIL A DIRECT LINE TO ALL THESE
ORGANIZATIONS. NOW, WITH ASSISTANCE AT
PATRIOTIC ACTIVITIES, QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT DIFFERENT
VETERANS AFFAIRS THAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO CONDUCT AND IN
TURN IT GIVES ALL THESE ORGANIZATIONS A DIRECT LINE TO
THE CITY COUNCIL. NOW, THE IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD
HAVE TO ASSIST THE VETERANS IN ANY HELP THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THE
CITY, SO I OBVIOUSLY AM GOING TO SPEAKá-- I SPEAK IN FAVOR OF
THIS RESOLUTION. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH JOHN
ANDREWS ON THIS AND WE'RE IN PLACE AND ALL WE'RE WAITING FOR
IS THE GO-AHEAD AND AWAY WE GO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> IF I CAN, TOM ISá-- WAS THE GENESIS OF THIS EFFORT TO CREATE
THIS ADVISORY COMMISSION, AND HE STOP ME ONE DAY IN MY TRACKS, I
DON'T KNOW, YEAR AND A HALF AGO, TOM?
LONGER? >> JUST ABOUT, YEAH.
>> AND SAID NORFOLK NEEDED A COMMISSION LIKE THIS TO ADDRESS
THE CONCERNS OF THE VETERANS AND WE WOULD HAVE A VETERANS DAY
CEREMONY. THERE ARE LOTS, ALL SORTS OF
THINGS, ESPECIALLY AS THE POPULATION IS DECLINING AND
GROWING, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF YOUNGER VETERANS COMING OUT
OBVIOUSLY WHO NEED OUR HELP, AND TOM HAS BEENá-- HE'S BEEN
INVOLVED IN A LOT OF REALLY GOOD EFFORTS, AND THIS ISá-- TOM HAS
AGREED TO SERVE ON THE COMMISSION AND TO BE A PART OF
IT AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THIS.
AND JOHN, THANK YOU FOR COMING DOWN.
WE INTEND TO TAKE THIS EARUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.
>> DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. R-32.
>> AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND AND REORDAIN CHAPTER 6.1 OF THE
NORFOLK CITY CODE, 1979, SO AS TO ADD A NEW ARTICLE VIII
CREATING AN ANIMAL ADVISORY BOARD.
>> ELLIS JAMES. >> THANK YOU, MR.áMAYOR.
MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, MR.áJONES, MY CITY MANAGER, MY
NAME IS ELLIS W. JAMES. I RESIDE AT 2021 KENLAKE PLACE
HERE IN THE GREAT CITY OF NORFOLK.
FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE ACTION
THAT YOU'VE JUST TAKEN ON 31. VERY IMPORTANT FOR OUR VETERANS.
I WOULD LIKE TO RISE IN SUPPORT OF THIS NEW COMMITTEE OR
COMMISSION, WHICHEVER TECHNICALLY IT IS, AND I WOULD
LIKE TO KEEP IT SIMPLE BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH A LONG
MEETING. I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND TO THE
CITY THAT AS YOU SET THIS ANIMAL ADVISORY BOARD UP, THAT YOU
CONSIDER APPOINTING PERSON OR PERSONS WHO HAVE STUDIED THE
BEHAVIOR PATTERNS OF RAPTORS AT THE NORFOLK BOTANICAL GARDEN AND
AS AN EXAMPLE, AS YOU WELL KNOW, EAGLE EXPERTS, PHOTOGRAPHERS,
SCIENTISTS, ETCETERA. IN VIEW OF THE PROPOSED
HARASSMENT OF BIRDS AROUND NORFOLK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT,
WHICH BORDERS THE GARDEN. I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY
APPROPRIATE AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE ARE IN FOR A TOUGH
SLOG IN THE MONTHS AND SEVERAL YEARS AHEAD, I'M AFRAID.
THANK YOU, MR.áMAYOR. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
>> DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE
ORDINANCE AND ADOPT. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> IT'S ABOUT TIME. AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVEN'T BEEN
HERE LONG ENOUGH. THIS IS LIKEá-- AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> NO.
I'M KIDDING. AYE.
[ LAUGHTER ] >> THE NEXT ITEM WAS C-7,
MR.áPRESIDENT, AND IT IS A ORDINANCE APPROVING THE THIRD
AMENDMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF NORFOLK AND DIRECTING INVEST LLC
FOR THE PREMISES LOCATED AT 500 EAST MAIN STREET IN THE CITY OF
KNOCK, AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO SECURITY THE THIRD
AMENDMENT TO THE LEASE AND AUTHORING THE EXPENDITURE OF A
SUM OF UP TO $121,870 FROM FUNDS HERETOFORE APPROPRIATED TO COVER
THE LEASE PAYMENTS INCORPORATE REMAINDER OF FISCAL YEAR
2012-2013. DISPENSE WITH THE CHARTER
REQUIREMENT FOR READING THE ORDINANCE AND ADOPT.
MR. BURFOOT. >> THAT IS LEASE?
>> YES. THIS IS A RENOVATION OF THE
EXISTING LEASE. THE DEVELOPMENT HAS NEGOTIATED A
LOWER RENT IN CONSIDERATION OF EXTENDING IT, SO YES, IT'S THE
LEASE FOR THE ESTATE ON MAIN STREET, THE DEPARTMENT OF
DEVELOPMENT OPERATES IN THE OFFICE BUILDING THAT
MR.áPROTOGYROU REPRESENTS. >> YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM THAT
SHOT. I MEAN, ONE TIME WE TALKED ABOUT
CONSOLIDATINGá-- WE HAVE A BUILDING ON GRANBY STREET THAT'S
PRETTY EMPTY, OTHER THAN I.T. BEING IN THAT BUILDING.
WHY ARE WE STILL LEASING FROM OTHER FOLKS INSTEAD OF PUTTING
THATá-- SAVING THAT MONEY? >> CITY MANAGER QUESTION.
>> I WAS LOOKING AT BERNARD, I'M SORRY.
>> WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN TERMS
OF GETTING OUT OF SPACE THAT WE'RE LEASING.
THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WASN'T PLANNED AS ONE OF THE MOVES,
MOVING A DEPARTMENT, BUT I WILL ASSURE YOU WHEN THE
OPPORTUNITIES ARISE, WE DO HAVE A LIST OF DEPARTMENTS WE'D LIKE
TO CONSOLIDATE AND GET OUT OF LEASING SPACE.
>> AND THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY, I MEAN.
MY GOODNESS, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT MOVING FROM DOWNTOWN, BUT I
MEAN, WE HAVE Aá-- I'M SURE YOU'VE BEEN OVER TO THAT GRANBY
BUILDING AND THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE OVER THERE.
I JUST THINK THAT WE'REá-- YOU KNOW, WE CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW
TIGHT TIMES ARE AS RELATES TO RESOURCES, 120-SOME-THOUSAND
DOLLARS TO ME IS A LOT OF MONEY WHEN WE CONSIDER WE DON'T HAVE
TO BE UTILIZING THAT MONEY FOR RENT SPACE AT THIS TIME.
SO I JUST HOPE THAT WE DO A BETTER JOB IN TERMS OF LOOKING
AT THESE OPPORTUNITIES AND MAXIMIZING THE SPACES THAT WE DO
HAVE. I'M GOING TO VOTE NO.
>> MR. PROTOGYROU. >> AYE.
>> MR. SMIGIEL. >> JUST REAL QUICK COMMENT.
I THINK ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF HAVING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
IN THAT SPACE IS BECAUSE OF BEING ABLE TO MARKET OUR CITY TO
POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS AND IT IS A WONDERFUL CONFERENCE ROOM.
I'VE BEEN IN THERE A COUPLE TIMES AND I THINK IT SHOWS OFF
OUR CITY. BUT, YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS OF
THAT'S A GOOD REASON OR NOT, IT'Sá-- AYE.
>> DR. WHIBLEY. >> AYE.
>> MS. WILLIAMS. >> AYE.
>> MR. WINN. >> AYE.
>> MR. FRAIM. >> AYE.
>> I HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL ITEM, MR.áPRESIDENT.
A RESOLUTIONS A POINTING ARE REAPPOINTING 18 PERSONS TO FOUR
BOARDS AND TWO COMMISSIONS FOR CERTAIN TERMS.
ADOPT THE RESOLUTION. MR. BURFOOT.
>> AYE. >> MR. PROTOGYROU.
>> AYE. >> MR. SMIGIEL.
>> AYE. >> DR. WHIBLEY.
>> AYE. >> MS. WILLIAMS.
>> AYE. >> MR. WINN.
>> AYE. >> MR. FRAIM.
>> AYE. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR.
PRESIDENT. >> THAT CONCLUSION THE FORMAL
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