Informal 10/09/12 Session - Norfolk City Council


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>>> WHY DON'T WE GET STARTED. [áGAVEL BANGINGá]
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www.captionassociates.com >> BACK IN JANUARY, AND TONIGHT
WE ACTUALLY HAVE WILLIAM HARRELL, THE CEO AND PRESIDENT
OF HRT, ALONG WITH STAFF TO JOIN IN TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE
DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BUS TRANSFER STATION.
WE ALSO HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION ON RECYCLING, AN
UPDATE ON SENIOR DISABLED REAL ESTATE TAX RELIEF PROGRAM AND
THERE ARE TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT THAT WE HAVE TWO
OR THREE SLIDES TO DISCUSS WITH THOSE.
THOSE AGENDA ITEMS. MAYOR, BEFORE I TURN IT BACK
OVER TO YOU, THERE ARE JUST TWO HOUSEKEEPING ISSUES.
ONE IS THAT I GUESS OVER THE LAST 20 MONTHS, WE'VE HAD A
SERIES OF JOINT WORK SESSIONS. LAST WEEK WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING
THE SCHOOL BOARD AND COUNCIL IN A JOINT WORK SESSION.
THE DATE THAT WORKS FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD IS THE 20th OF
NOVEMBER. THAT'S THE FIRST AVAILABLE DATE
THAT WOULD WORK FOR THEM. WE DO HAVE THREE BOARDS OR
COMMISSIONS THAT HAVE JOINT MEETINGS WITH FOR THE LAST
QUARTER OF THE YEAR. WE HAVE THE HOUSING AUTHORITY
THAT WOULD BE CUED UP FOR NEXT WEEK AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE IN
THE NOVEMBER WORK SESSION, NORFOLK PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND
LASTLY IN DECEMBER, WE HAVE A RECAP WITH THE COMMUNE SERVICES
BOARD AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST 20
MONTHS, THAT WOULD BE THE THIRD MEETING WITH THE HOUSING
AUTHORITY, THE FIFTH MEETING WITH NORFOLK PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND
THE SECOND MEETING WITH NCSB. WE HAVE SENT AN EMAIL TO THE
COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT DIFFERENT ITEMS YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS
AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON OUR PROGRESS WITH VARIOUS
BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. LASTLY IN YOUR PACKET THAT YOU
RECEIVED DURING THE RETREAT, I THINK TAB 19, THERE WAS A DRAFT
PROPOSAL FOR THE NEXT YEAR'S MEETINGS ANDá-- COUNCIL
MEETINGS. AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE 36 TIMES
DURING THE YEAR THAT COUNCIL IS REQUIRED TO MEET.
THE LAST YEAR, WE GAVE IT TO YOU IN DECEMBER TO REVIEW.
WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU MORE LEAD TIME.
IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE ASá-- BECAUSE OF HOLIDAYS AND BREAKS, IT'S NOT
AS SIMPLE AS THE FIRST TUESDAY OF THE WORK SESSION, THE SECOND
TUESDAY IS A VOTING MEETING, AND THE FOURTH TUESDAY IS A VOTING
MEETING. WE LOOKED AT THE LAST 12 MONTHS
AND THAT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE, SO WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU
SOME TIME TO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS SO
WHEN WE GET TO DECEMBER, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT
WE'RE STILL HAVING THE 36 MEETINGS DURING THE YEAR,
INCLUDING THE WORK SESSIONS, BUT TO GIVE YOU MORE TIME TO
REALLYá-- TO ASSESS SOME OF OUR CHALLENGES WITH HOLIDAYS AND HOW
IT'S ALWAYS NOT AS SIMPLE TO HAVE THAT FIRST TUESDAY BEING A
WORK SESSION AND THE SECOND AND FOURTH TUESDAY BEING VOTING
MEETINGS. THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONTEMPLATE
OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.
>> ASSUMING WE HAVE A JOINT MEETING, WILL WE GET AN AGENDA
IN ADVANCE WHEREAS WE'LL BE ABLE TO VET THOSE ISSUES SO THAT
THOSE MEETINGS CAN BE SUBSTANTIVE.
>> YES. >> I KNOW WE MET WITH NORFOLK
REDEVELOPMENT HOUSING AUTHORITY, BUT WE NEVER GET TO THE MEAT OF
THE CONVERSATIONS WE NEED TO HAVE WITH THEM.
>> IF I HAD A (INAUDIBLE). >> OKAY.
>> SO IS THE MEETING AT 2:00 WITH NRHA THEN NEXT TUESDAY?
>> YES. >> AND THEN THE FOLLOWINGá-- THE
LAST TUESDAY, WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING, RIGHT?
>> THE LAST TUESDAY, WEá-- >> THE 30th OF OCTOBER.
>> NO, NO. >> IF POSSIBLE, CAN YOU SEND OUT
AN UPDATED CALENDAR JUST FOR THE REST OF THIS YEAR?
>> TURNS OUT THE SCHOOL BOARD (INAUDIBLE).
>> WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU. GOT TO WASH OUR HAIR.
>> MR. RIDDICK? >> YEAH, LAST WEEK, I BROUGHT UP
A THAISH HAS SORT OF TAKENá-- AN ISSUE THAT HAS SORT OF TAKEN ON
A LIFE OF ITS OWN. THE SQUARE DEAL BARBERSHOP, GOT
A CALL FROM THEM TODAY WHICH INDICATED SOMETHING THAT I
DIDN'T KNOW AND I DON'T THINK WE KNEW, THAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY
SOLD HIM THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT. AND SO NOW, SQUARE DEAL
BARBERSHOP IS VIRTUALLY OUT OF BUSINESS WHEN IT COMES TO
PARKING. I THINK WE'VE IDENTIFIED A PIECE
OF PROPERTY AT 712 THAT THE CITY OWNS THAT WE CAN TRY TO, YOU
KNOW, GET EITHER CRUSHED ROCK OR SOME TYPE OF SERVICE AND A CURB
CUT IN THERE AS A TEMPORARY FIX. BUT THERE'S ALSO A PIECE OF
PROPERTY AT "A" AVENUE AND CHURCH STREET, A BIG PIECE OF
VACANT LAND AND I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT BELONGS TO, BUT IF THAT
BELONGS TO THE CITY AND WE CAN CREATE A PARKING LOT THERE, NOT
ONLY WOULD IT HELP SQUARE DEAL BARBERSHOP, BUT IT WOULD HELP
DR.áFAITH AS WELL. ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH
DR.áFAITH AND THAT PARKING LOT IS HE'S NOT ABLE TO PUT A
RETENTION POND IN, SO HE HAS TO PUT SOME TYPE OF UNDERGROUND,
YOU KNOW, TO KIND OF ACCOMMODATE THAT AND THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE
HIM TO CLOSE THAT PARKING LOT DOWN.
SO AS IT STANDS NOW, THE SQUARE DEAL BARBERSHOP HAS NO PLACE FOR
PARKING AND PLUS THEY HAVE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE UP ABOVE THE
BARBERSHOP AND SO THEY'RE OUT OF BUSINESS AS WELL.
I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN GET ON RIGHT AWAY.
THAT'S IT. >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
>> JUST VERY QUICKLY, I MET WITH THE COMMISSION THAT MET LAST
WEEK AND BRIAN IS ALREADY ON TOP OF THIS, BUT YOU MIGHT NOTE FOR
THE LEGISLATIVE PACKAGE THAT WE'VE ASKED FOR A RESOLUTION TO
SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME CONTINUED STATE FUNDING FOR MAINTENANCE OF
BIKE LANES, AND SO YOU CAN SEE THAT AS PART OF THE LEGISLATIVE
PROPOSAL. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S COMING FROM.
SO I APPRECIATE BRIANá-- I JUST WENT TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT IT AND
HE'S ALREADY DONE IT. [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>> OKAY. ANGELIA.
>> A FEW MONTHS AGO, PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO, I
ASKED FOR A CITY EMPLOYEE AUDIT, AND I TALKED TO JOHN SANDERLIN
ABOUT IT AND I READ IN THE NEWSPAPER THAT IT HAS BEEN DONE
AND THERE'S SOME OTHER MEASURE IN PLACE THAT WE HAVE THAT WILL
DO THE SAME THING. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
I'D LIKE A REPORT ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER MEASURE WE HAVE IN
PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WE HAVE EMPLOYED FOR
US IS ACTUALLY ACCOUNTED FOR AND SORT OF, YOU KNOW, SHOWING UP
FOR WORK. I WANTEDá-- DID NOT REQUIREá--
IT JUST SIMPLY REQUIRED THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THEIR ROLES
OF TEAM LEADERS BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR TEAM
MEMBERS AND DEPARTMENT HEADS BEING RESPONSIBLEá-- THAT KIND
OF THING. SOMEBODY SAYING I KNOW WHO THESE
PEOPLE ARE, THEY WORK FOR ME, I'VE SEEN THEM, TALK TO THEM,
WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. NOTHING EXTENSIVE, YOU KNOW, BUT
IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S BETTER, I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW,
KNOW WHAT THAT IS. AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO COMMEND THE
POLICE CHIEF AND THE STAFF THAT HE HAD AT THE NCAAP FREEDOM FUND
BANQUET ON SATURDAY. A LOT OF TIMES WE SEND PEOPLE
TOá-- HIS ENTIRE TABLE STAYED FOR THE ENTIRE EVENT AND THE
NAACP EXECUTIVE BOARD COMMENTED ON THAT AND THEY WERE VERY
PLEASED WITH THAT, SO THANK YOU. >> YOU KNOW, I GOT TO BRING UP
YOUR FAVORITE COMPANY, DOMINION POWER.
I WAS ALERTED QUITE A BIT AGO FROM PUBLIC WORKS THAT DOMINION
POWER WOULD BE REPLACING THE LINES, THE TRANSFER LINES THAT
RUN THROUGH WARD 5 ALONG LITTLE CREEK ROAD AND ACTUALLY GO INTO
WARD 3 THROUGH TANNER'S CREEK AND THAT WAY.
AND I DON'T KNOW, BARCLAY, IF YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY OF
THE CONVERSATIONS. THERE WAS KIND OF NO
CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, AND THAT DOMINION POWER HAD AN
ADVERTISEMENT FOR A PUBLIC HEARING WHICH THEY HELD AT
NORFOLK BOTANICAL GARDEN OF ALL PLACES WHEN THERE'S PLENTY OF
SCHOOLS THAT ARE AROUND THERE, AND I KNOW THIS ISN'T
NECESSARILY A CITY ISSUE UNTIL I, I GUESS, IS IT WAVE OR
SOMEBODY DID A STORY ABOUT THAT PEOPLE WERE GRANTED EASEMENT
MANY AND SOMETHING HAPPENED WITH IT AND NOW IT'S STARTINGá-- I'M
STARTING TO GET THE EMAILS FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T EVEN LIVE ALONG
THIS UPSET THAT THIS IS HAPPENING, REQUESTS ABOUT POWER
LINES BEING BURIED, WHY CAN'T DOMINION POWER BURY THESE, THAT
THEY HAVEá-- YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT MAYBE INSTEAD OF LETTING
DOMINION POWER KIND OF TAKE CONTROL OVER THIS, MAYBE WE
MIGHT EVEN GET A LITTLE BIT INVOLVED IN THIS, AND I DON'T
KNOW HOW MUCH PUBLIC WORKS HAS BEEN DOING.
I'M SORRY, I HAVEN'T COMMUNICATED WITH JOHN ON THIS.
I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE WE ARE WITH IT BEFORE THISá-- WE ALWAYS
GET BLAMED FOR EVERYTHING, SO I THINK JUST HAVING A CLEAR
PICTURE OR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT DOMINION POWER IS DOING, WHAT
OUR OBLIGATIONS ARE IF THERE IS ANY AS A CITY, AND JUST CLEAR UP
SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE HAPPENING AND COMMUNICATE WITH
THE COMMUNITY THAT'S AROUND THERE.
LIKE I SAID, THEY HAD A PUBLIC HEARING AND PUT IT AT THE
BOTANICAL GARDEN WAS ODD WHEN THERE'S LIVERMORE ELEMENTARY
SCHOOL, A BUNCH OF ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS THAT THEY
KOOF HELD IT AND BE MORE ACCESSIBLE AND EASIER FOR
PEOPLE. I EVEN HAD ONE PERSON WHO
THOUGHT THEY HAD TO PAY ADMISSION TO GET INTO THE
MEETING AT THE BOTANICAL GARDEN. A LITTLE BIT SILLY THERE, BUT I
THINK THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING WE'RE DEALING WITH WITH DOMINION
POWER AND WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS DONE RIGHT AND PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THIS.
[ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ] >> THEY NEED TO GET PEOPLE OUT
AGAIN WHERE THEY ARE (INAUDIBLE).
>> WE HAVE A COUPLE CEREMONIAL THINGS TONIGHT.
WE HAVE THE COMMONWEALTH'S ATTORNEY.
>> OKAY. LIKE I SAID, MAYOR AND COUNCIL,
I'LL TRY TO KEY IT UP IN TERMS OF AN UPDATE WITH THE BUS
TRANSFER STATION. WE'LL DO THIS IN THREE PARTS.
I WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH A BACKDROP OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN,
AND THEN FROM AN OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT, HRT AND I MENTIONED
WILLIAM HARRELL IS HERE TODAY, AND HE WILL TALK ABOUT THE
OPERATIONAL NEEDS AND THEN JOHN KEIFER WILL TALK ABOUT THE
ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTATION GOING FORWARD.
SO WITH THAT SAID, I THINK I HAVE A CLICKER SOMEWHERE AROUND
HERE. BASICALLY, A COUPLE THINGS
OCCURRED. BACK?
JANUARY, WE PROVIDED YOU WITH A BRIEFING AND A POSITION ON
RELOCATING THE CEDAR GROVE TRANSFER STATION TO THE DOWNTOWN
PLAZA SITE. AFTER THAT TIME, THERE WAS A
SUBSEQUENT COMMUNITY CONVERSATION IN APRIL WHERE WE
COLLECTED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND HAD ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS, AND
I'LL TELL YOU, BOTTOM LINE UP FRONT, THAT AFTER THAT
ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS, THE RECOMMENDATION REMAINS THE SAME,
THAT THE RELOCATION OCCURS TO THE DOWNTOWN PLAZA SITE.
WE WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON HOW WE GOT TO
THAT POINT. AS YOU MAY RECALL, THE WELLS
FARGO BUILDING, WHEN THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED, THAT REQUIRED THE
MOVEMENT OF THE BUS TRANSFER STATION FROM THE CHARLOTTE AND
WOOD STREET SITE TO THE TEMPORARY SITE OF CEDAR GROVE,
AND AGAIN, THIS IS 2008, AND THAT'S A TEMPORARY SITE AND I
KNOW YOU'RE SAYING, WELL, THIS IS FOUR YEARS LATER AND WE'RE
STILL TALKING ABOUT THAT BEING A TEMPORARY SITE.
ONE OF THE ISSUES AT THE CEDAR GROVE SITE, THERE ARE A NUMBER
OF ISSUES, BUT THE KEY ONES HERE, THE LACK OF VISIBILITY, NO
RESTROOMS, AND ONE THING THAT WE HEARD VERY LOUD AND CLEAR IN
JANUARY WAS THAT INDIVIDUALS SHOULD BE TREATED WITH DIGNITY
AND RESPECT, AND IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT AT THAT SITE, THAT'S NOT
OCCURRING. THERE ARE PUBLIC SAFETY
CONCERNS, AND MAYBE JUST AS IMPORTANT, NOT ADA COMPLIANT.
THE EVALUATION TOOK PLACE AND I DO WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE CITY
STAFF OF PLANNING AND FIRE AND BUDGET AND PUBLIC WORKS AND MY
OFFICE THAT WORKED FOR WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER THROUGH A
DATA-DRIVEN PROCESS AS WELL AS WORKING WITH HRT.
THE THREE PRIMARY GOALS WAS TO MAKE PUBLIC TRANSIT AN OPTION OF
CHOICE, AGAIN TO TREAT ALL RIDERS WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT
AND TO HAVE AN ATTRACTIVE, SAFE, CLEAN AND INVITING ENVIRONMENT.
SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS WERE REALLY HRT'S NEEDS, THEIR
OPERATIONAL NEEDS, THE SITE CAPACITY, THE TIME TO COMPLETE
THE CAPITAL COSTS, THE OPERATING COSTS, AND I MENTIONED ACCESS,
SAFETY AND VISIBILITY. I'LL TELL YOU THAT AS WE DID THE
SECOND ROUND OF ANALYSIS, THOSEá-- THE THIRD AND FOURTH
BULLET BECAME SOMEWHAT OF A DRIVING FORCE HERE AND THAT WAS
THE TIME TO COMPLETE AS WELL AS THE CAPITAL COSTS.
AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME, I WILL SAY, LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS
SITES AND CONSISTENTLY, THE SCORING CAME OUT WITH THE
DOWNTOWN PLAZA SITE BEING THE BEST SITE.
AGAIN, THE RECOMMENDATION IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE PROVIDED
YOU BACK IN JANUARY, BUT I THINK WE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME
TALKING ABOUT THE ANALYSIS AND NOT NECESSARILY THE OPERATIONAL
NEEDS OF HRT AND WHY THIS IS A GOOD SITE AND HRT'S NUMBER ONE
SITE. I WILL ALSO SAY THAT DURING THAT
PUBLIC CONVERSATION, THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, THIS WAS
THE PREFERRED SITE OF THE RIDERS.
ONE THING THAT WE DON'T WANT TO GET LOST IN THE DISCUSSION
TONIGHT IS THAT IT'S THE RIDERS, WHAT THEY WANT AND WHAT'S GOOD
FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE ACTUALLY USING THE SYSTEM ON A
DAILY BASIS. SO, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT SAID,
ONE OF THE KEYS TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE THAT THE
DOWNTOWN PLAZA SITE, WE OWN IT. IT MEETS BOTH CURRENT AND FUTURE
NEEDS OF THE CAPITAL AND OPERATING AFFORDABILITY VERSUS
SOME OF THE OTHER SITES THAT WERE PROVIDED FOR US.
AGAIN, I MENTIONED THE RECOMMENDATION FROM HRT AND IT'S
THE PREFERRED SITE FOR USE OF TRANSIT.
I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO WILLIAM.
I THINK I HAVE A PICTURE BEHIND ME OF THE SITE, BUT I THINK
WILLIAM, AND I THINK RAY ARE GOING TO TAG-TEAM THE
OPERATIONAL NEEDS PIECE. >> THANK YOU, MR.áMANAGER.
LET ME JUST SAY, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I'M VERY PLEASED TO
BE HERE BEFORE YOU. WE KNOW AT HAMPTON ROADS
TRANSIT, WE HAVE A LOT TO DO IN TERMS OF IMPROVING OUR IMAGE,
THE CLEANLINESS, THE BUT STOPS, SOME OF THEá-- BUS STOPS, SOME
OF THE OPERATIONAL ISSUES. CERTAINLY WE KNOW A SIGNIFICANT
PORTION OF OUR RIDERS ARE TRANSIT-DEPENDENT, BUT WE'VE
LEARNED WITH LIGHT RAIL THE ABILITY TOá-- HOW TO INCREASE
WHAT WE CALL CHOICE RIDERS, THOSE THAT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY
TO RIDE A NUMBER OF MODES, AND WE CERTAINLY FEEL THAT PART OF
OUR OBJECTIVE HERE IS TO IMPROVE OUR OVERALL SERVICE LEVEL.
THAT'S IMPORTANT AS RELATES TO THIS TRANSFER LOCATION BECAUSE I
BELIEVE THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE IN TERMS OF ENCOURAGING MORE
TRANSIT USAGE IN OUR COMMUNITY IS THE CEDAR GROVE LOCATION.
NONE OF US WOULD CHOOSE TO GO TO THAT LOCATION IF WE DIDN'T HAVE
TO, AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS HERE, I THINK, WILL ADDRESS THE
ISSUE OF DIGNITY AND RESPECT THAT ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS
DESERVE, YOUR CITIZENS, OUR CUSTOMERS, AS WELL AS OTHERS IN
THE REGION. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL UPON RAY
APMARUSO, OUR CHIEF OF DEVELOPMENT WHO'S WORKED HAND IN
HAND WITH YOUR STAFF. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR.áJONES
AND THE ENTIRE STAFF, WE'VE WORKED HAND-IN-GLOVE AND WE'RE
CERTAINLY COMPLETELY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO
YOU THIS AFTERNOON. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBERS,
MAYOR, STAFF. JUST TO PUT IN CONTEXT THE
IMPORTANCE OF THE SITE, WHAT CEDAR GROVE IS TODAY AND AS WE
MOVE TO THE NEW HOME, WE OPERATE DIFFERENT SIZE TRANSFER
FACILITIES. WE ACTUALLY HAVE 42 TRANSFER
FACILITIES IN THE ENTIRE SIX-CITY SERVICE DISTRICT.
CEDAR GROVE IS THE NUMBER ONE TRANSFER FACILITY THAT PROVIDES
A SEAMLESS CONNECTION FOR OUR CUSTOMERS.
WE MOVE 6500 PASSENGERS A DAY THROUGH THAT FACILITY ON AN
AVERAGE WEEKDAY. THERE ARE 17 BUS ROUTES THAT
COME INTO CEDAR GROVE AND SERVE FIVE OF THE SIX MEMBER CITIES
THAT COME IN. WE AVERAGE ON A TYPICAL WEEKDAY
569 BUS TRIPS THAT TERMINATE AND THEN START THEIR RUN OUT OF
CEDAR GROVE FACILITY, AND SATURDAYS YOU CAN SEE 418 TRIPS
AND EVEN ON SUNDAYS, 207 TRIPS. DURING OUR PEAK OPERATING
PERIODS IN THE MORNING AND AFTERNOON, A TWO-HOUR WINDOW, 50
BUSES PER HOUR COME IN AND OUT OF THAT FACILITY.
25% OF THE CUSTOMERS THAT COME TO THAT FACILITY HAVE A DOWNTOWN
DESTINATION. THE OTHER 75% ARE MAKING
TRANSFERS TO CONTINUE THEIR TRIP TO ANOTHER DESTINATION.
I HAVE TO SAY, DEFINITELY THE TOP FACILITY IN TERMS OF
MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE AND OUR VEHICLES.
IN TERMS OF OUR OPERATIONAL NEEDS, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO
UNDERSTAND THAT IN THE NEW HOME, WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE 16 BAYS
WITH THREE LAYOVER SPACES TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE ROUTES.
THAT DOES INCLUDE, LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD, THE ADDITIONAL
SERVICES THAT WE WOULD HAVE BETWEEN NORFOLK AND PORTSMOUTH
RELATED TO THE ELIZABETH RIVER CROSSING SERVICE.
WE NEED TO HAVE AN ORDERLY BUS CIRCULATION PATTERN WITH
CONTROLLED ACCESS POINTS AND EGRESS POINTS, AND ANYONE THAT'S
VISITED THE CEDAR GROVE SITE KNOWS TODAY HOW DIFFICULT IT IS
FOR BUSES AND PEDESTRIANS TO MOVE ABOUT THAT FACILITY.
PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS RIGHT NOW ARE NOT CLEARLY MARKED AND OFTEN
ARE FRICTION POINTS FOR THE BUSES MOVING IN AND OUT OF THE
FACILITY. SO PART OF OUR OPERATIONAL NEEDS
IS A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR PEDESTRIANS THAT MINIMIZE
CONFLICTS BETWEEN PEDESTRIANS AND BUSES.
WE NEED SPACE FOR CUSTOMER AMENITIES AND THE CITY MANAGER
MENTIONED THAT, PLACES FOR PEOPLE TO BUY OUR FARE MEDIA,
FARE SALES, GATHER CUSTOMER INFORMATION, WHETHER IT'S THE
SCHEDULE OR THEY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE NEXT BUS.
AND YOU CAN HAVE THE MOST SIMPLE THINGS LIKE A RESTROOM, NOT ONLY
FOR THE CUSTOMERS, BUT EVEN FOR OUR OPERATORS.
IT NEEDS TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
CEDAR GROVE IS NOT TODAY. YOU HAVE TO HAVE EYES FROM THE
STREET LOOKING IN AND FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES, AND THEN
FINALLY, WALKABLE TO DOWNTOWN. THE BEAUTY OF THAT IS THE CLOSER
WE GET INTO DOWNTOWN, OUR CUSTOMERS CAN WALK INTO
DOWNTOWN, THE POSSIBILITY OF NOT HAVING TO EXPEND MONEY TO HAVE A
SPECIAL CIRCULATOR BACK INTO DOWNTOWN TO PROVIDE THAT
CONNECTION WOULD GO AWAY AS WE GET INTO DOWNTOWN.
THOSE ARE OUR OPERATIONAL NEEDS AND I BELIEVE JOHN IS UP NEXT.
[ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ] >> CITY-OWNED PROPERTY, THAT WAS
JUST A PARKING LOT. A CENTRAL PARKING LOT.
>> I KNOW IT WAS A LANDFILL, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF ITá-- OKAY, SO
IT WAS PARKING. >> IT WAS A DUMPSITE.
>> ACTUALLY, IT WAS YEARS AGOá-- >> IT WAS A VIRGINIA POWER SITE.
>> YEAH, BUT IT WAS ALSO THE SITE FOR THE DOG CATCHER.
YEAH, WELL, IT FRONTED PRINCESS ANNE ROAD AND ONE PART OF IT WAS
THEá-- PART OF THE OLD NATIONAL GUARD ARMORY AND THE OTHER PART
HOUSED THE DOG CATCHER. BEFORE THEY MOVED THEM OUT TO,
YOU KNOW, RAYBURN ROAD. AND IT WAS A SUCCESSFUL FIRE
THERE TOO. THE CITY DECIDED THEY WOULD HAVE
A SUCCESSFUL FIRE THERE. AND ALSO RICHARD HASSELL USED TO
HAVE HIS OPERATION THERE, HAD IT FULL OF CLOTHES AND THINGS FOR
THE NEEDY. ALL OF THAT WAS ALONG THAT
FRONTING ON PRINCESS ANNE. >> GOOD EVENING.
LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN AND THE
SCHEDULE. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF
ORIENTATION. THIS IS EXISTING FIRE STATION
NUMBER ONE. THE BUS FACILITY WOULD GO RIGHT
NEXT TO IT. CURRENTLY THE ABC STORE IS
LOCATED THERE, WOULD HAVE TO BE TORN DOWN.
THIS IS A SHELL GAS STATION AND MRK DONALDS.
WHAT THIS FACILITY WILL CONSISTENT OF PRIMARILY AS
COVERED PLAZA YOU SEE HERE AND THE WAITING AREA FOR PASSENGERS,
JUST AN OPEN AREA WITH A ROOF AND A NICE PLAZA.
WE'LL ALSO HAVE SMALL BUILDINGS FOR RESTROOMS, SMALL BUILDING
FOR TICKET SALES, SECURITY. THE BUS DRIVEWAYS WILL NEED TO
BE REINFORCED AS WILL SOME OF THE ROADS.
WE MENTIONED THE DEMOLITION OF THE ABC STORE, A LITTLE BIT OF
SITE UTILITIES AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS
THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE WITH PEDESTRIAN CROSSING OF
ST.áPAUL'S BOULEVARD. THE PRIMARY CONSIDERATIONá-- ONE
OF THE PRIMARY PROBLEMS WE HAVE IS THIS IS ACROSS ST.áPAULS
BOULEVARD AND MANY OF THEá-- 25% OF THE PASSENGERS ARE GOING TO
THE DOWNTOWN DESTINATIONS, LIGHT RAIL STATION, TO EXPECT THESE
PASSENGERS TO GO UP TO THE WOOD STREET/CHARLOTTE AREA AND DOWN
TO MARKET STREET IS NOT REALISTIC, SO WE'LL NEED A NEW
SIGNALIZED PEDESTRIAN CROSS WALK IN THERE TO GET PEOPLE ACROSS
THE STREET AND IT'S CURRENTLY A PROBLEM, WILL BE MORE OF A
PROBLEM IF WE DON'T DEAL WITH IT WITH THE TRANSFER SET-UP.
THE DRAWING ON THE LEFT SHOWS THE TRANSFER STATION HERE, THE
PEDESTRIAN PATH. THE DIFFERENT AREAS DOWNTOWN AND
ON THE RIGHT, WE SHOW THE AREA OF THE BUS TRANSFER STATION AND
THE INTENDED AREA OF THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING.
WE WOULD CLOSE THE MEDIAN BREAK THERE AND PUT IN A TRAFFIC
SIGNAL AND AN IMPROVED CROSS WALK ACROSS THERE.
THE FACILITY BUDGET, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL IN THE EARLY STAGES
OF DEVELOPING WHAT THAT IS AND THE APPROXIMATE COST.
THE BUILDING IS NOT THAT MUCH ITSELF, BUT THERE ARE SOME
SIGNIFICANT SITE WORK THINGS DUE TO THE NEED TO REINFORCE THE
PAVEMENT WITH THE HEAVY USE OF BUSES AND THEIR HEAVY WEIGHT.
RESTROOMS, THE PLAZA ITSELF DESIGN, THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING
IS INCLUDED IN THERE AND A LITTLE BIT OF DEMOLITION.
THE SCHEDULE NOW, IT'S GOING TO TAKE US A WHILE TO DO THE
DESIGN. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH SOME
COMMUNITY INPUT PROCESSES AND ALSO OUR CITY REVIEW PROCESSES,
AS WELL AS THE DESIGN ITSELF, AND IT WILL TAKE UNTIL NEXT
JULY. AND THEN AFTER AWARDING THE
CONTRACT, THE CONSTRUCTION WILL TAKE APPROXIMATELY ANOTHER YEAR.
THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS TOá--
[ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ] >> YES, WE'D GO OUT TO BID IN
JULY AND AWARD THE CONTRACT IN OCTOBER, APPROXIMATELY A YEAR TO
DO THE CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S TWO YEARS TO GET TO WHERE
WE NEED TO BE, AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE DON'T WANT TO STAY
IN CEDAR GROVE, SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN INTERIM FACILITY.
SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO MOVE TO AN INTERIM TRANSFER CENTER ON WOOD
STREET, WHICH IS JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE.
YOU KNOW, THIS SHOWS THE BUSá-- THIS SHOWS HOW THE BUS ROUTES
WOULD WORK AT WOOD STREET. SHOWN RIGHT HERE, JUST MORE OF
THE DOWNTOWN PLAZA, NORTH OF IT, AND THE LOCATION THERE IS A GOOD
ONE BECAUSE THERE'S RELATIVELY MINOR COST TO GET IT READY.
WE CAN DO IT RATHER QUICKLY. THE ROADWAY IS ALREADY CONCRETE,
THE SIDEWALKS AND LIGHTING ARE IN GOOD SHAPE.
THERE'S EASY ACCESS ACROSS ST.áPAULS BOULEVARD AT WOOD AND
CHARLOTTE STREET IN THE INTERIM. >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT?
I WANT TO ASK SOMETHING. >> TWO SLIDES FURTHER.
NEXT ONE. >> ONE MORE.
NO, BACK. THE OTHER WAY.
HERE IS WOOD STREET. THE FIRE STATION, ST.áPAULS
BOULEVARD UP HERE. THE LINE OF BUSES ALONG WOOD
STREET AS IS SHOWN HERE. THE STREET IS CONCRETE, IT'S IN
GOOD SHAPE. WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SOME
IMPROVEMENTS, PRIMARILY INSTALLING BUS SHELTERS ALONG
THE NORTH SIDE. ADDITIONAL LIGHTING, TEMPORARY
RESTROOMS IN THE AREA BACK THERE.
ONE DOWN SIDE OF THIS IS WE WOULD NEED TO RESTRICT TRAVEL ON
WOOD STREET SO WE WOULDN'T ALLOW A NON-HRT OR FIRE VEHICLES TO GO
TO THERE FOR THE TWO-YEAR PERIOD AND THAT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON
SOME OF THE FOLKS USING THAT NOW FOR THE COUPLE-YEAR PERIOD UNTIL
WE GET THE PERMANENT FACILITY IN, AND WE HAVE COORDINATED WITH
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE'D NEED A LITTLE TRAFFIC SIGNAL WORK TO
HELP THEM ALSO TO GET PEDESTRIANS ACROSS WOOD STREET.
THE ADVANTAGE OF THIS, A NUMBER OF ADVANTAGES TO THIS.
NEAR THE PERMANENT LOCATION, SO IN TERMS OF HRT SETTING UP THE
BUS ROUTES AND CUSTOMERS BECOMING FAMILIAR WITH THEM,
NEAR THE LIGHT RAIL STATION AND MONTICELLO, IT'Sá-- WE HAVE
COORDINATED WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON WOOD STREET SINCE
CLOSURE IS ONE OF THE ISSUES. >> AND BEFORE JOHN GOES FORWARD,
YOU KNOW, THE CONCEPT HERE IS THATá-- AND WE STRUGGLE WITH THE
WORD INTERIM OR TEMP RAERK BUT WE'RE NOT GOINGá-- TEMPORARY,
BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO REPLICATE THE CONDITIONS OF CEDAR GROVE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THE VISIBILITY, DEAL WITH THE
SAFETY, DEAL WITH THE RESTROOMS, DEAL WITH VENDING.
THIS IS JUST NOT MOVING ONE CURRENT ENVIRONMENT TO SEVERAL
BLOCKS DOWN. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE VERY
CONSCIENTIOUS ABOUT THAT. >> AGAIN, SHOWS THE LOCATION OF
THE FIRE STATION NUMBER ONE AND THE BUSES WOULD LINE UP ALONG
WOOD STREET. THEY HAVE GOOD ACCESS TO CHURCH
STREET AND BRAMBLETON AVENUE AS WELL AS OUT ON TO ST.áPAUL, THE
CURRENT FACILITY LOCATED DOWN HERE.
THE REQUIREMENTS INVOLVED, AS MARCUS SAID, RESTROOMS ARE
ESSENTIAL. WE HAVE TO DO SOME MINOR
SIGNALING OF PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS AND LIGHTING AND SHELTERS.
THE ESTIMATED COST OF THE INTERIM FACILITY IS ABOUT
$200,000 AND THAT'S PART OF OUR OVERALL ESTIMATE AND THE IDEA
WOULD BE TO COMPLETE THAT RELOCATION BY NEXT JULY.
THE THING ABOUT THAT IS HRT HAS A TIME FRAME WHERE THEY NEED TO
NOTIFY THE CUSTOMERS AS WELL AS BUS DRIVERS OF CHANGES IN
SCHEDULE, AND SO THERE'S A POINT IN JULY WHERE THEY DO THAT, SO
WE'RE GOING TO MATCH UP WITH THAT AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO
THAT EASILY. SUMMARY OF THE BUDGET, THE
SCHEDULE, THE FACILITY DESIGN STARTING RIGHT AWAY.
IT WILL BE COMPLETE NEXT JULY. THE INTERIM FACILITY WOULD BE
BUILT IN THAT SAME TIME FRAME, CONSTRUCTION THEN OF THE
PERMANENT FACILITY IN DECEMBER OF 2014, AND THE BUDGET FOR
DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION IS A RANGE OF 4 TO $5.5áMILLION, AND
WE WILL SEEK FEDERAL AND STATE GRANTS IF POSSIBLE TO ASSIST IN
THE FUNDING OF THE PROJECT. NEXT STEPS ARE TO INITIATE THE
DESIGN, HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING
TIDEWATER PARK, THE RESIDENTS, DNC, RIDERS, ABOUT THE INTERIM
LOCATION AND ALSO ABOUT THE TRANSFER CENTER DESIGN, INITIATE
THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE INTERIM CENTER, AND ALSO WE NEED TO
REVIEW THE FUTURE DOWNTOWN BUS ROUTES, INCLUDING THE NET CHANGE
TO DOWNTOWN AND EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS.
>> I WOULD ASK THAT THAT RANGE OF $4áMILLION TO $5.5áMILLION IS
WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT OVER THE PAST YEAR.
THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE $4áMILLION IN THE FY 2013
BUDGET. IT'S IN THERE, AND AS JOHN SAID,
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR GRANTS AND OUR GOAL IS TO
GET IT AT THAT $4áMILLION LEVEL OR LOWER, WHICH YOU'VE ALREADY
APPROVED. >> MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT
$2áMILLION GRANT WAS ALMOST A SLAM-DUNK.
IS THAT NOT RIGHT ANYMORE? >> WE DID NOT GET THAT GRANT.
>> WE WENT UP THERE AND I PERSONALLY SPOKE WITH THE HEAD
OF THE FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION.
I THINK WE CAN CONTINUE TO APPLY FOR THATá--
>> WE DIDN'T GET ANYTHING? >> THE FEDERAL GRANT, WE DID NOT
AWARDED THIS YEAR. >> IS THAT TOTALLY OUR PAYMENT
THEN, HRT DOESN'T CONTRIBUTE TO THAT?
>> THAT WOULD BE OUR PAYMENT. HRT HAS CONTINUED TO PARTNER
WITH US AND THEY ARE SEEKING GRANTS, AS ARE WE.
>> IS THERE NOT GOING TO BEá-- LIKE ST.áPAUL, ONE, TWOá-- LIKE
FOUR LIGHTS BETWEEN ST.áPAUL AND BEFORE YOU GO UP TO THE BERKLEY
BRIDGE. YOU DO GO OUT THERE ANDá--
>> HAVE YOU BEEN THERE BETWEEN 4:00 AND 5:00áP.M.?
>> THAT'S A NIGHTMARE. >> YOU KNOW, I'VE GONE THROUGH
THEREá-- >> CERTAINLY A BAD SITUATION,
BUTá-- >> A HORRIBLE SITUATION.
>>á-- WE HAVE AN ISSUE RIGHT NOW WITH PEDESTRIANS GOING ACROSS
ST.áPAULS BOULEVARD AND DEALING WITH IT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS
AND HAVE A PROJECT A FEW YEARS AGO TO PUT A CROSSWALK IN THERE,
SO WE'LL HAVE TO WORK ON IT. >> THAT JUST DISAPPEARED ON US.
>> NO, THERE IS STILL A PROJECT FOR THE FENCE AND THE CROSSWALK.
WE'VE HELD UP ON THAT UNTIL WE HAD A SOLUTION KNOWING WHERE THE
TRANSFER STATION IS GOING TO GO, SO WE DIDN'T BUILD IT IN THE
WRONG PLACE. >> THERE WAS A FENCE FOR
PEDESTRIANSá-- >> THERE WAS A BREAK COMING
ACROSS THE ISLAND. IT'S ALREADY A NIGHTMARE.
>> THE OLD BUS ROUTE FROM CHARLOTTE, WHEN THE TRANSFER
STATION WAS ON CHARLOTTE, IT WOULD MAKEá-- THEY WOULD MAKE A
RIGHT ON TO MONTICELLO AND THEN MAKE ANOTHER RIGHT ON TO
BRAMBLETON AND GO UP ST.áPAULS. I DON'T SEE MUCH CHANGE IN THE
TRAFFIC PATTERN FROM WHERE THE OLD TRANSFER STATION USED TO BE
AND WITH THE NEW TRANSFER STATION.
AND SO, I MEAN, THEY USEDá-- >> THAT'S IN TRAFFIC AS WELL,
TRYING TO GET ACROSS ST.áPAULS BOULEVARD.
THAT'S WAYá-- >> WE HAVE, WE HAVE GOOD
EXPERIENCES WITH THAT AS WELL WHEN WE HAVE CONCERTS AT THE
SCOPE. >> WE DON'T HAVE CONCERTS DURING
RUSH HOUR. >> BUT THEY HAVE HAD FUNCTIONS
WHERE THEY GOT TO USHER HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE ACROSS OF A BUSY
THOROUGHFARE. >> I APPRECIATE THAT BUTá--
>> I'M JUST STATING THE FACT THAT WE DO HAVE EVENTS WHERE WE
HAVE TO GET PEOPLE FROM ONE SIDE OF ST.áPAULS TO THE OTHER SIDE.
>> MAYBE ONE OR TWO DURING THE RUSH HOURS?
WHEN DO YOU HAVE THEM FROM 3:00 TOá--
>> NO, THE TRAFFIC I'VE SEEN, THE TRAFFIC GETS REALLY BAD.
I DON'T LIKE THE LOCATION EITHER, BUT THE TRAFFIC IS
BADá-- I MEAN, PEOPLE ARE DRIVING DOWN THERE, YOU KNOW,
THEY'RE GOING 45, 50 MILES AN HOUR AND WHEN THERE'S A CONCERT
DOWN THERE, PEOPLE ARE NOT DRIVING THAT FAST.
THEY AREá-- A LOT OF TIMES, IT'S VERY CONGESTED AND PEOPLE
WILLá-- EVEN AT THAT, THEY WILL DART OUT IN FRONT OF CARS AND
THINGS LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T LIKE THE
LOCATION. I LIKE THE STATION.
I LIKE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. I THINK IT'S VERY NEEDED.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT MODEL IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO
DO. I JUST DON'T LIKE THE LOCATION.
>> WELL, THE BUS HAS BEEN MAKING RIGHT TURNS TO GO INTO SERVICE
OR WILL THEY BE MAKING ANY LEFT TURNS?
WHEN THEY LEAVE, LIKE, SAY FOR INSTANCE, WHEN THEY LEAVE WOOD
STREET, WOULD THEY BE MAKING RIGHT TURNS FOR ALL OF THEIR
ACCESSES TO DIFFERENT ROUTES, OR WILL THEY HAVE AN OCCASION TO
MAKE A LEFT TURN ACROSS ST.áPAULS BOULEVARD, WHICH WOULD
BE THREE LANES OF TRAFFIC? >> THERE ARE FOUR ROUTES AND ONE
ROUTE (INAUDIBLE). ALL THE OTHER ROUTES GO ACROSS
WOODS, CHARLOTTE STREET, AND THEN MAKE A RIGHT ON MONTICELLO
OR MAKE AN IMMEDIATE RIGHT ON NORTHBOUND ST.áPAULS TO GO BACK
TO PROGRAM TELLTON. >> AND WHAT TIME FRAMES WOULD
THE MAX BUSá-- >> 4:00 TO 6:00áP.M.
(INAUDIBLE). >> SAY THAT AGAIN, RAY?
>> OH, THE PEAK PERIODS ARE IN THE AFTERNOONS, 15 BUSES BEFORE
5:00áP.M. AND 50 BUSES FROM 5:00 TO 6:00áP.M.
THE ROUTES THAT GO SOUTHBOUND ON ST.áPAULS THAT NEED TO MAKE A
LEFT ARE THE 68, THE 45 GOING TO PORTSMOUTH AND THEN MAX ROUTE.
>> EVERY SITE WE LOOKED AT TRYING TO CROSS ST.áPAULS
BOULEVARD AND BRAMBLETON AVENUE, WE HAVE A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING
EVERYWHERE. >> AS YOU KNOW, I FEEL VERY
STRONGLY THIS ISN'T THE BEST LOCATION, BUT LET'S JUST WORK
WITH THIS ONE. TELL ME ON THIS SITE WE HAVE,
SHOW ME WHAT WOULD BE THERE AT ST.áPAULS QUADRANT AS PROPOSED,
WHICH WOULD INTERFACE WITH THE TRANSFER STATION?
WHAT DO WE HAVE DESIGNED TO BE THERE AT THIS POINT?
>> YOU MEAN IN TERMS OF PEDESTRIAN CROSS WALK ORá--
>> NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE HAVE
BEHIND THE TRANSFER STATION THAT WILL BE ST.áPAULS QUADRANT.
>> FRANK DUKE, I THINK CAN SPEAK BETTER TO THAT.
>> SO THAT SLIDE THAT YOU HAVE ONá-- IF YOU COULD GO TO THE
SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE LAYOUT OF THEá--
>> THAT'S THE ONE. >> WHAT THE ST.áPAULS PLAN CALLS
FOR THROUGHOUT THIS AREA, WHICH WE HAVE CALLED THE COMMERCIAL
AREA, IT IS GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO CHURCH STREET.
IT'S INTENDED TO BE A MIX OF RETAIL, OFFICE, AND RESIDENTIAL
USES. AS YOU GO FURTHER NORTH, BACK
TOá-- >> I'M JUST INTERESTED, FRANK,
RIGHT ADJACENT TO IT. >> WE HAVE LOOKED AT, IT WOULD
BE RETAIL COMING BACK INTO THIS AREA AND ESSENTIALLY OFFICE
IMMEDIATELY BEHIND IT SO THAT WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING THAT YOU
WOULD HAVE SIGNIFICANT RESIDENTIAL IMMEDIATELY AROUND
THIS, BUT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT
LOCATING A BUS TRANSFER FACILITY IN THIS AREA DISRUPTS THE VISION
OF THE ST.áPAULS PLAN IF IT IS WELL DESIGNED, IF IT PROVIDES
SECURITY, AND IF IT PROVIDES THE AMENITIES SO THAT THE BUS RIDERS
ARE TREATED WITH THE RESPECT THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING WE'RE
GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE THROUGHOUT THIS AREA.
>> SO LIGHTING AND NOISE AND EXHAUST WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM?
>> THE ONLY REASON I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXHAUST OR
LIGHTING IS IF YOU TRIED TO GET RESIDENTIAL IMMEDIATELY AROUND
IT, BUT THESE ARE NOT AREAS WHERE WE HAVE DESIGNATED FOR
RESIDENTIAL TO BE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO IT.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING THE RESIDENTIAL IS PROPOSED MORE UP
ALONG BUTE STREET AND THEN FURTHER TO THE WESTá-- OR I'M
SORRY, TO THE EAST IN THE QUADRANT AREA.
>> THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT Iá-- [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>> FACING THE CHURCH. YOU'VE GOT HISTORIC CHURCHES UP
HERE, SO WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT WERE TOWNHOME HEIGHT
DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS AREA TO TRY TO BETTER RESPECT THE HISTORIC
CHARACTER OF THOSE CHURCHES. >> THE OTHER COMMENT I HAD,
BECAUSE I THINK MARCUS IS OBVIOUSLY CORRECT IN SAYING THAT
WE NEED TO CANVASS THE RIDERS, BUT YOU STARTED OUT WITH YOUR
DISCUSSION SAYING YOU WANT THIS TO BE CHOICE, SO WE WANT TO BE
BEYOND THOSE THAT ARE RIDING NOW, AND WE ALL OR SEVERAL OF US
SAT IN THE MEETING THAT WE HAD WITH THE RESIDENTS AND PEOPLE
THAT WEREá-- THE STAKEHOLDERS WHO WERE VERY STRONGLY INTENT ON
THIS, SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT BOTH WAY, NOT ONLY THE
RIDERS NOW, BUT ONES THAT WE HOPE TO ENGAGE AND RECOGNIZE
THAT THIS IS NOT THE PREFERREDá--
>> YOU COULD, YOU COULD SATURATE A MEETING WITH THE POTENTIAL
RIDERS WHO HAVE NO DESIRE OR INTENTION TO RIDE THE BUSES AND
COME UP WITH AN OVERWHELMING DECISION THAT IT'S THE WRONG
PLACE, SO TAKING THE RESIDENTS IN CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, IT'S
VERY IMPORTANT, BUT I WOULD HATE TO SEE A MEETING SATURATED WITH
PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT IT THERE AND THEN WE COME AWAY SAYING WE
DON'T WANT IT THERE, AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING ALL OF THE
DISCUSSION AND COMPLAINTS AND DISDAIN ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T
HAVE ANY INTENTION OF RIDING. >> WELL, THERE WAS NO EFFORT
SATURATE THIS MEETING. THE MEETING WAS OPEN AND I WAS
THERE AND THEY WERE PEOPLE IN THE DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY AND THERE
WERE PEOPLE THAT WERE RIDERS THERE, SO THERE WAS NO EFFORT TO
SATURATE ANYTHING AND THIS GROUP WASá--
>> AT THAT POINT. BUT I WOULD HATE TO SEEá--
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE.
>> THREE POINTS I WANT TO MAKE. THE FIRST ONE IS, AT THE
RETREAT, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SOMEWHAT AND WHEN WE LEAF THE
RETREAT, Iá-- LEFT THE RETREAT, I THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND TOOK THIS
VERY DISCUSSION WE HAVE, AND WE ALL HAVE VEHICLES.
WE ALL HAVEá-- NONE OF US USE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ON A DAILY
BASIS. BUT WHAT WE DO USE IS OUR
VEHICLES EVERY DAY, AND YOU GET INSIDE YOUR VEHICLE EVERY DAY,
HOW MANY DAYS YOU GO TO WORK, WHETHER IT BE 250 DAYS A YEAR OR
190 DAYS A YEAR, YOU GET IN THAT VEHICLE AND YOU GO TO WORK.
THESE RIDERS GET ON THAT BUS EVERY DAY AND THEY HAVE TO
ENDURE THE TRANSFER STATION AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
REGARDLESS OF RAIN, SLEET, SNOW, OR HAIL.
THEY'RE OUT THERE EVERY DAYá-- >> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ISá--
>> LET ME FINISH MY COMMENTS. ENDURING THE ELEMENTS BECAUSE
THAT IS THEIR SOLE SOURCE OF TRANSPORTATION.
OKAY? AND SO I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT
UPON THIS BODY. WE'VE BEEN TALKING THIS FOR
EIGHT YEARS, AT LEAST SIX YEARS. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT,
WE'RE IN OUR SECOND MANAGER, AND WE STILL HAVING THIS DISCUSSION.
ABOUT LOCATION. WHAT I DO KNOW IS THIS.
ST.áPAULS QUADRANT IS NOT ETCHED IN STONE AND IT'S NOT GOING TO
HAPPEN WITHIN THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS.
AND SO IN TERMS OF CHANGING OR LOOKING AT THIS TRANSFER STATION
WILL BE HERE LONG BEFORE THE ST.áPAULS QUADRANT WILL BE
DEVELOPED, BUT YOU HAVE AMPLE TIME TO DEVELOP THE TYPES OF
MIXED USE AND QUALITY LIFE AMENITIES AROUND THIS FACILITY.
THIRDLY, I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO APPROACH THIS THE SAME
WAY WE APPROACH LIGHT RAIL. WE TALK ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES
THAT EXIST ALONG THE LIGHT RAIL LINE TO CREATE DEVELOPMENT
OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE WAY THAT WE GENERATE
REVENUE IS NOT BY THE TRAIN ITSELF, BUT WHAT WE DO IN AND
AROUND THE TRAIN THAT WILL CREATE ADDITIONAL REVENUES FOR
THE CITY. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE BUS
TRANSFER STATION, AND I'M LOOKING AT IT THE SAME WAY.
HE ALLUDED TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT TRANSFER OR COME TO
THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION EVERY DAY.
THERE WOULD BE Aá-- IT WOULD BE A CRIME IF WE DO NOTHING TO
CREATE ECONOMIC STIMULI IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION.
WHETHER IT BE SOME TYPE OF CONVENIENCE STORE, WHETHER WE
HAVEá-- CREATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEBODY TO CREATE A
BUSINESS IN THAT AREA, SO I JUST THINK THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT
THAT COMPONENT THE SAME WAY WE LOOK AT LIGHT RAIL.
IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE MAKE UP THE COST OF MONEY
THAT WE'RE PUTTING OUT OR HOW DO WE EVEN PUT A DENT IN THAT, IF
WE'RE NOT GENERATING ANY TYPE OF OPPORTUNITY TO GENERATE REVENUE,
THEN WE'RE GOING TO MISS IT. HOW MANY PEOPLE DID YOU SAY WERE
ON THE BUSS? >> 6500.
>> THAT'S TRUE WHEREVER YOU PUT IT.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. >> THAT'S TRUE BEFORE YOU HAVE
THAT. THAT BOTTLENECK IS WORSE THAN
HAMPTON BOULEVARD. >> YOU DON'T BOTTLENECK THAT.
>> YOU DON'T IN AND OUT OF THERE DURING THE RUSH HOUR.
>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACILITY ITSELF, THERE'S ENOUGH CRITICAL
MASS IF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT THERE TO CREATE
SOMETHING WHERE THEY WOULD BUY NEWSPAPER, SOFT DRINKS, SO ON
AND SO FORTH IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION.
>> THAT'S FINE. >> IF YOU GO TO PLACES LIKE
CHARLOTTE, BIG CITY THAT HAS THESE TRANSFER STATIONS, THEY
ARE A DESTINATION. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PUT A
BAND-AID ON SOMETHING. WE'RE TRYING TO GET PEOPLE,
EVERYDAY PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME, TO GET OUT OF OUR CARS AND USE
OUR ARTERIAL MODES OF TRANSPORTATION AND THOSE ARE THE
TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO.
WE CANNOT PUT A BAND-AID ON IT. >> I'M ALL IN AGREEMENT ON THE
COMMON SENSE OF IT. >> LET'S DO IT RIGHT.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. >> I'M JUST TELLING YOU IT'S THE
WRONG PLACE. >> LET MEá-- I KNOW YOU HAVE
BUDGETARY CONCERNS ABOUTá-- >> $5áMILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY
TOO. >> WHAT'S THE RIGHT LOCATION?
>> HOW ABOUT THE BUS STATION? >> IT SHOULD BE DOWNTOWN.
PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET OFF THE BUS AND BE DOWNTOWN.
>> YOU DON'T GET OFF THE TRAIN AND BE DOWNTOWN.
>> NOT GET OFF THE BUS TO HAVE TO CATCH ANOTHER BUS TO GO
DOWNTOWN. >> LET ME TRY TOá-- THE MANAGER
HAS LOOKED AT ALL OF THE, A NUMBER OF OPTIONS WHERE YOU CAN
PUT A TRANSFER STATION, AND AS HAS HRT.
ALL OF THEM HAVE PLUSES AND MINUSES TO THEM.
AT LEAST THE ADMINISTRATION AND HRT HAVE DECIDED THIS IS THE
RIGHT SITE. YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH IT, AND
IT ALSO HAS BUDGETARY IMPLICATIONS, THAT THIS CAN BE
DONE WITHIN THE BUDGET THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED, PRESENTED, AND IN
FACT, WE'VE ACTUALLY ADOPTED. IS THERE A SITE IN PROXIMITY
THAT YOU THINK COULD WORK, BARCLAY?
I MEAN BECAUSE RIGHTá-- >> WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BUS
STATION. >> WHICH BUS STATION.
>> GREYHOUND. WE'RE DOWN AT HARBOR PARK.
>> WE LOOKED AT ALL THAT. >> THEY LOOKED AT ITá--
>> TELL THEM THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH HARBOR PARK AND
LET ME SEE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO BITE THAT BULLET.
>> WELL, TELL ME THE COST OF DOING IT WRONG THE FIRST TIME.
YOU DO IT RIGHT AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES SENSE MONETARILY.
AND YOU MAKE IT SO THAT WE ARE INTERCONNECTED TRANSPORTATION
HUB. YOU HAVE GOT THE PERFECT
OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT RIGHT INSTEAD OF SAYING, SURE, IT'S
MISERABLE THAT THIS HAS BEEN PUT OFF FOR AS LONG AS IT HAS, BUT
TO RUSH IT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO DO IT NOW AND THEN HAVE TO REDO
IT AGAIN, I MEAN, HRT, WHEN THEY PRESENTED HARBOR PARK, THEY SAID
THAT'S A POSSIBILITY FOR LATER. THAT WAS WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO
US FROM OUR CITY. >> BUT THEY PUT THEá--
>> WHY ARE WE WAITING? >> THEY GAVE YOU THE PRETTY
PICTURES, AND I ALWAYS, I ALWAYS SAY, GIVE ME THE NUMBERS, GIVE
ME THE NUMBERS TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY HOW YOU ARE GOING TO DO
THAT. CREATE A MULTIMODAL STATION DOWN
AT HARBOR PARK WITH ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.
OKAY? AND ALL OF THE OTHER ACTIVITIES
THAT YOU GOT GOING ON DURING THE COURSE OF THE YEAR, OKAY?
BASEBALL AND SO FORTH. >> THERE'S TRAFFIC EVERY DAY,
4:00 TO 5:00, EVERY DAY. >> BASEBALLá--
>> THERE ARE FIVE DAY GAMESá-- >> FUTURE, FUTURE HOUSING, OKAY?
AND ALL THEá-- >> AT HARBOR PARK?
SO THAT'S GOING TO COME BEFORE ST.áPAULS QUADRANT?
>> NO, NO, LISTEN TO WHAT I'M SAYING.
WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS? >> IF YOU WILL, AND RAY WILL
HAVE THEM, CAN WE DEAL WITHá-- ADDRESS HARBOR PARK AND THE
GREYHOUND SITE THERE ARE TWO COMPONENTS THERE, THERE IS
MONEY, BUT THERE'S ALSO OPERATIONS, SO RAY, IF YOU
WOULD. >> PART OF THE TEAM EFFORT THAT
WE DID WITH CITY STAFF AND SOME OF THE OPERATIONAL MEETINGS FOR
HRT BUSES IN TERMS OF CIRCULATION AND GETTING BUSES
OUT ON SCHEDULE, THIS IS THE STARTING POINT FOR THOSE 17
ROUTES THAT GO TO THOSE FIVE OF THE SIX CITIES THAT CARRY THE
NUMBER OF PEOPLE I POINTED OUT. YOU LEAVE THE LOCATION LATE,
THEN THAT ROUTE DRIBBLES ALONG LATE UNTIL YOU GET TO THE
DESTINATION POINT WHERE YOU'RE VERY LATE.
HARBOR PARK HAS A LOT OF FRICTION FACTORS.
YOU HAVE A FREIGHT TRACK THAT HAS TWO ACCESS POINTS, PARK
AVENUE OR WATER STREET. THERE IS FOR WAY TO COME DOWN
TIDEWATER DRIVE, MAKE A LEFT TURN ON TO HULL STREET TO GET TO
HARBOR PARK PRESENTLY. YOU HAVE A FREIGHT TRACK THAT
HAS VERY FREQUENT COAL TRAIN MOVEMENT, 100-CAR LENGTH COAL
TRAIN. A BUS COMING OUT OF HARBOR PARK
CAN'T GO THAT DIRECTION ON SCHEDULE.
THEY COME ALL DURING THE COURSE OF THE DAY, EVEN DURING THE PEAK
PERIOD. WATER STREET RIGHT NOW THE WAY
IT RUNS HAS NO CURB AND GUTTERS, A SINGLE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION
AND THEY CAN ONLY PROCESS SO MANY BUSES.
THE BUSES CAN'T EVEN COME DOWN TIDEWATER DRIVE, AND TO LAY OUT
THAT KIND OF LAYOUT AND SEE THE LAND THAT'S REQUIRED, YOU WOULD
LOSE SEVERAL HUNDRED PARKING SPACES, SURFACE PARKING SPACES
THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DEDICATED TO TIDE BASEBALL
OPERATIONS. HOW DO YOU REPLACE THOSE SPACES
TO PUT DOWN THIS FOOTPRINT? THE ONLY ANSWER WE CAME UP WITH
THE A STRUCTURED PARKING FACILITY AND NOW YOU HAVE THE
COST OF A STRUCTURED PARKING FACILITY TO REPLACE THE LOT
BECAUSE OF PUTTING DOWN THE NEEDED CIRCULATION ELEMENTS FOR
BUSES. THOSE ARE THE DEFICIENCIES OF
HARBOR PARK. POOR ACCESS.
YOU CAN IMPROVE THE ACCESS, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO EXPEND MONEY
ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS, PUTTING A
LEFT-TURN LANE ON SOUTHBOUND TIDEWATER DRIVE TO GET TO HULL
STREET, IMPROVE WATER STREET TO A STREET THAT'S ABLE TO CARRY
THE BUSES THAT DOESN'T FLOOD. WHAT DO YOU DO, YOU CAN'T EVEN
REALLY BRING THE BUSES OUT ACROSS THE FREIGHT TRACKS
BECAUSE YOU WOULD BLOW THE SCHEDULE, BASICALLY.
WE LOOKED AT THE GREATá-- >> BUT DOESN'T THAT LAP WITH
CARS LINED UPá-- HAPPEN WITH BARS LINED UP ON ST.áPAULS AND
THE BUSES CAN'T EXIT BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC ON ST.áPAULS?
>> TODAY, WE RUN DOWN ST.áPAULS, THE SAME ROUTES I MENTIONED ARE
STILL RUNNING DOWN ST.áPAULS AT 4:00, 5:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.
>> RUNNING DOWN THEM, BUT TURNING INTO THEM, I MEAN,
TURNING INTO A BUSY STREET IS DIFFERENT THAN RUNNING DOWN THE
STREET, AND SECONDLY, WASN'T THERE A PLAN SOMEWHERE TO
REALIGN HULL STREET ANYWAY? >> ONE THING I'VE NOTICED
RECENTLY, AND I WAS TELLING THE POLICE CHIEF I THOUGHT IT WAS
GREAT, AT WATERSIDE DRIVE NOW, WHEN THERE'S PEAK TRAFFIC, THEY
HAVE A POLICE OFFICER THERE. I THINK ALSO MAYBE A HULL
AVENUE. COULD BE THE SAME THING HERE.
WHEN YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEAK TRAFFIC HOURS IN THE
AFTERNOON, YOU COULD HAVE A TRAFFIC OFFICER THERE MAKING
SURE THAT THE INTERSECTION IS CLEAR.
NOT ONLY FOR THE BUSES, BUT IN THE EVENT THAT YOU, YOU KNOW,
YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR FIRE EQUIPMENT OUT.
SO AS I'M LOOKING AT IT, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE HAD AN
OFFICER THERE ATá-- I GUESS THAT'S AT ST.áPAULS BOULEVARD.
LOOK AT IT THIS WAY. WHICH WAY ARE THE BUSES GOING TO
BE GOING OUT? THIS WAY?
>> TOWARDS ST.áPAULS. >> IT WOULD BE GOING TOWARDS
ST.áPAULS. >> AND COMING TOWARDS THEREá--
WELL, GO BACK OUT THIS WAY AND COME DOWNá--
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. >> THEY CIRCULATE AROUND AND
COME OUT. >> SO WE COULD MAKE SURE THAT
EACH DAY AT PEAK HOURS, WE HAD A TRAFFIC OFFICER THERE, WHETHER
IT WAS SOMEBODYá-- A UNIFORMED OFFICER OR JUST AN AUXILIARY
OFFICER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INTERSECTION WAS NOT BLOCKED AS
FAR AS BUSES ARE CONCERNED OR, YOU KNOW, VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.
AND WE ACTUALLY NEED THAT RIGHT NOW AT A LOT OF OUR
INTERSECTIONS DOWNTOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE VEHICLES ARE NOT
BLOCKING THOSE INTERSECTIONS. SO IT MIGHT SEEM LIKE A BAND-AID
FIX, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD DO TO MAKE SURE THAT
THOSE BUSES ARE CIRCULATING. THAT IF YOU HAVE FIVE OR SIX
BUSES COMING OUT, WE'RE GOING TO HOLD THAT TRAFFIC UP AND GET
THOSE BUSES OUT. >> THERE'S CERTAINLY A
MITIGATION WITH ALL THAT TRAFFIC.
>> IT'S BACKED UP SO FAR BACK. >> WE LOOKED AT THAT.
>> CAN WE TALK ABOUTá-- I MEAN, AT HARBOR PARK, THERE ARE ALSO
OTHER ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS. IT WOULD EXCEED $20áMILLION.
PUSH. >> OKAY.
THAT'S BECAUSE YOU WOULD NEED STRUCTURED PARKING MAYBE ANDá--
>> WELL, JUST FOR ROADS. >> NOW, WE'VE BEEN STEERED TO
THIS POINT FROM DAY ONE. WE ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT 2 TO
4áMILLION, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GET A
$2áMILLION GRANT AND WE HAVE TO PUT THIS IN THERE BECAUSE IT HAS
TO BE A PLACE HOLDER AND NOW THAT'S GONE AWAY.
I'VE JUST HEARD THAT. I THINK THAT WEá--
>> WE ALL JUST HEARD IT. >> NOT ONLY IS THE LOCATION
WRONG, I TRAVEL UP ST.áPAULS BOULEVARD AND IT IS BUMPER TO
BUMPER IN THE MORNING AND IN THE AFTERNOON ON A GOOD DAY.
PEOPLE TRYING TO GET OUT AND DOWN TO PORTSMOUTH AND I THINK
IT'S WRONG AND IT'S WAY TOO MUCH MONEY WHEREVER WE PUT IT.
>> HAVE WEá-- WHAT WAS IS THE GOLDEN TRIANGLE, THE OLD HOTEL,
THEY TORE OUT THE BACK OF THE HOTEL AND THAT'S JUST A PARKING
LOT NOW. HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT ENGAGING
THEM? THAT'S CLOSE TO SCOPE, RIGHT
ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE LIGHT RAIL STATION.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S A LAND SWAP OPPORTUNITY HERE THAT WE
CAN MOVE A HOTEL AND PUT IT IN ST.áPAULS QUADRANT WHERE
SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT TO BE CLOSER TO THE MALL AND DOWNTOWN, MAYBE
THAT LANDOWNER WOULD WANT TO ENGAGE US IN SOMETHING.
I MEAN, I JUST THINK THAT WE'RE TAKING THE EASY FIX ANDá-- ON
THIS, AND I DON'T LIKE THE LOCATION EITHER.
AND I'VE ASKED, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE PARKING LOT ON THE CORNER OF
BRAMBLETON AND ST.áPAULS AND LAST TIME I WAS TOLD IT WAS TOO
SMALL. BUT I'M LOOKING AT A MAP HERE,
I'VE BEEN PLAYING AROUND WITH MY MAP TRYING TO FIND DIFFERENT
LOCATIONS, BUT WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH THE BACK HALF OF THAT
HOTEL THAT THEY TORE DOWN? IT'S JUSTá-- I MEAN, THAT'S A
HUGE SPACE THAT IS CONVENIENT AND RIGHT BY LIGHT RAIL.
HAVE WE ENGAGED AND LOOKED AT THAT.
>> BUT THEY PUT THAT DOWN FOR AESTHETIC PURPOSES, I BELIEVE,
AND I DON'T THINK THEY WANT BUSES THERE.
>> IT NEEDS TO BE DOWNTOWN. >> WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT ALL
OF THE SITES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW WERE DISCUSSED.
I GUESS WE CALLED THE HOTEL SITE THE GOLDEN TRIANGLE.
THEY EVEN WENT THERE. FOR THIS TO FIT, IT WOULD
INVOLVE TEARING THE HOTEL DOWN. >> I'M LOOKING AT A MAP, MARCUS,
AND I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. I'M LOOKING ATá-- I MEAN, I
TAUGHT MAPS FOR EIGHT YEARS AND SCALE AND THAT SITE WHERE THEY
JUST TORE IT DOWN IS BIGGER THAN WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING IT NOW.
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN FRONT OF THE HOTELá-- GO AHEAD.
>> TALKING ABOUT THE BACK HALF ON BRAMBLETON.
>> TALKING ABOUT THE BRAMBLETON SIDE.
>> THAT'S THEIR PROPERTY. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT
THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE, WE HAVE A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT
YOU CAN ENGAGE A LANDOWNER AND THAT SITE HAS NOT BEEN
SUCCESSFUL AND MOVING THEM CLOSER TO DOWNTOWN AND MAYBE WE
GET SOMETHING ELSE OUT OF IT WHERE A BUS STATION WOULD BE
BETTER THERE, THAT THEY MIGHT LIKE THE HOTEL SITE SOMEWHERE
ELSE. IN THE ST.áPAULS AREA.
[ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ] [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ]
>> WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR AT LEAST TEN MONTHS, AND WE'RE BACK
AT THE SAME CONCLUSION. WE'VE HAD THE FOLKS FROM HRT
WITH US TO DEAL WITH THE OPERATIONS, WE'VE HAD PLANNING
STAFF, PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC WORKS, EVERYBODY AROUND THE
TABLE. ONE THING I CAN ASSURE YOU IS
THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT THE CRITERIA, THERE'S ALMOST A DOZEN
DIFFERENT CRITERIA. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE GREYHOUND
SITE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT HARBOR PARK, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY
JUST THE DOLLARS. IT'S ALSO HOW THIS WILL OPERATE
OVER TIME, AND WHILE WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK AT OTHER
PLACES, I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE PRESENTED TO YOU THE BEST SITE.
>> IN THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU HAVE HAD WITH THE RIDERS, AND I
TOTALLY RESPECT THAT BECAUSE I DRIVE MY CAR EVERY DAY, HAVE WE
TALKED TO THE HOMEOWNERS ACROSS THE STREET IN THE FLATS AND
CONDOS ACROSS THE STREET WHO BOUGHT THEIR HOMES NOT
ANTICIPATING HAVING THE NOISE AND SMOG OF A BUS TRANSFER
STATION ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEM?
>> SURE. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE NOISE AND
SMOG. I BELIEVE EITHER I DON'T KNOW OR
RAY SPOKE TO ITá-- JOHN OR RAY SPOKE TO IT, BUT I WOULD LIKE
FOR ALL OF US TO AGREE TO ONE SEND PEPT IT IS NOT CEDAR GROVE.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE
EVER HAD IN THE CITY BEFORE, AND THAT'S THE BEGINNING PREMISE, I
THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSIONS WE CAN HAVE BASED ON
THAT, BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO REPLICATE CEDAR GROVE AND WE'RE
GOING TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS A PART OF OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM
THAT ISá-- BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
THEY WERE NOTá-- MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY WOULD LIKE
IT TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE. >> THAT'S THE SAME CONVERSATIONS
WE HAD AROUND LIGHT RAIL. NOT IN MY BACKYARD, TOO MUCH
NOISE, PEOPLE HANGING OUT. NOW TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT
PEOPLE ANTICIPATED. THIS WILL BE TOO.
>> WELL, I'M PREPARED TO SUPPORT THE ADMINISTRATION'S
RECOMMENDATION. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT A
SCHEDULE TO PRODUCE AN ORDINANCE.
MAYBE WHAT WE SHOULD DO, BRING UP SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION FROM
THE ADMINISTRATION, WITH GUIDANCEá-- AND VOTE IT UP OR
DOWN. I KNOW THERE ARE COST CONCERNS,
OPERATIONAL CONCERNS. YOU GOT A RECOMMENDATION FROM
THE ADMINISTRATION AND THEN WE'LL JUST SEE WHERE TO GO.
UNLESS SOMEBODYá-- I MEAN, BARCLAY AND TERRI, I DON'T THINK
THE HARBOR PARK SITE IS GOING TO WORK.
MAYBE IT'Sá-- THAT'S AT LEAST A MULTI-áMILLION-DOLLAR.
>> BUT YET ANOTHER TRAFFIC SIGNAL, EVEN IF YOU MOVED OVER
TOá-- DOES WOOD STREET GO BY THE FIRE STATION?
DON'T WE OWN THE FIRST BUILDINGá-- I MEAN, IF YOU COULD
USE AN EXISTING TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND SLIDE IT OVER WHERE THAT
TEMPORARY IS AND JUST TAKE IT OVER MORE OR SOMETHING.
I'M NOT TRYINGá-- I'M NOT AGAINST MAKING IT A GOOD
EXPERIENCE TO RIDE THE BUS. >> SURE, NOBODY IS.
>> I'M AGAINST WHAT I KNOW, I GO UP AND DOWN IT FOUR OR FIVE
TIMES A DAY AND SEE THERE. IF YOU ADD ANOTHER TRAFFIC
SIGNAL AND PEOPLE TRYING TO WALK ACROSS AND STOP AND PUT A
POLICEMAN OUT THERE AND WAVE, IT JUST CHOCK FULL COMING IN AND
OUT. THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF PEOPLE
USING THAT ROAD AND THEY'RE GOING TO PUSH OVER TO DOWNTOWN
AND OTHER STREETS TO TRY TO AVOID IT AND YOU JUST CREATE A
MESS IF YOU ADD A TRAFFIC SIGNAL.
>> THERE IS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE.
>> THERE IS AT WOOD, BUT NOT WHERE HE'S TALKING ABOUT PUT
THAT, THERE ISN'T. >> THEY GO OUT ON WOOD STREET.
THEY DON'T COME OUT LIKE THIS. >> THEY'RE NOT COMING OUT ON
ST.áPAUL PAULS? >> THEY COME OUT THROUGH WOOD,
RIGHT? >> OKAY, LET'Sá-- LOOKá--
>> HE'S PUTTING A TRAFFIC LIGHT RIGHT.
>> THERE'S ALREADY ONE THERE. >> THERE'S ALREADY A TRAFFIC
LIGHT. >> YOU TOLD ME THEY WERE ADDING
A TRAFFIC SIGNAL. >> DO IT AGAIN, JOHN.
>> A NEW PEDESTRIAN CROSS WALK HERE, BUT THERE'Sá-- THE BUSES
COME OUT WOOD STREET AND GO UP TO CHURCH STREET.
>> IS THERE GOING TO BE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL WITH THE
PEDESTRIAN CRUISING? >> YES.
>> THAT'S WHAT I SAID, EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.
YOU ADD ANOTHER ONE TO ST.áPAULS TO SCOPE TO WOOD STREET TO
THERE, YOU HAVE FIVE LIGHTS. >> YOUR CONCERN IS THE NEW
TRAFFIC LIGHT. IF THAT WENT AWAY AND WE TRIED
TO BREAK THE PEDESTRIANá-- >> HOW YOU GOING TO GET PEOPLE
ACROSS? I DON'T LIKE THE LOCATION.
>> EVEN IF THEá-- YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO GET THE PASSENGERS
OVER, BUT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 120 SECONDS TO GET THEM ACROSS
THE STREET. NOT TALKING ABOUT A REGULAR
LIGHT CYCLE. >> I'M TALKING ABOUTá-- JUST GO
DOWN THERE AND TAKE A RIDE AT 3:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.
>> WHAT THAT LIGHT DOES IS PERMIT PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS.
>> IT STOPS TRAFFIC. YOU HAVE 200 YARDS OF TRAFFIC
AND 200 YARDS OF TRAFFIC AND FOUR LANES THERE, PAUL.
I'M TELLING YOU, YOU PUSH PEOPLE BACK OVER TO MONTICELLO, THEY'RE
GOING TO BE COMING DOWN TO THE LIGHT RAIL, YOU KNOW, IT'Sá-- IF
YOU PUSH IT OVER TO WOOD STREET, JUST USE THAT, IT WOULDN'T BE
THE BEST SITUATION, BUT IT WOULD BE BETTER THAN THAT.
>> IN TERMS OF TIMING, WE HAVE TO (INAUDIBLE).
>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO
CREATE HAVOC IN A PLACE THAT THERE'S ALREADY HAVOC, YOU'RE
NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY MIND ON THAT.
I TRAVELED IT TOO MANY TIMES. >> IF WE STOP TRAFFICá-- I MEAN,
YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AND ALL OF
THAT, BUT WE HAVE SEVERAL PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AND PEOPLE
JUST KEEP ON MOVINGá-- I MEAN, THAT'S NOT GOING TO STOP PEOPLE.
>> WE HAVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND (INAUDIBLE).
>> A STOPLIGHT. >> ONE AT WOOD AND ONE ATá--
>> YEAH, THERE WAS A PRIOR APPROVED PROJECT APPROVED A FEW
YEARS AGO TO BUILD A FENCE AND PUT A CROSSWALK ACROSS ST.áPAULS
BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTY WE HAVE CURRENTLY.
>> SO THAT'S THE ONLY ISSUE YOU HAVE?
>> I DON'T THINK THE LOCATION IS THE RIGHT LOCATION EITHER, BUT
THAT'S A KILLER FOR ME IS THE TRAFFICá-- I MEAN, PUTTING 50 OR
WHATEVER, HOW MANY BUSES YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND HOWEVER MANY
PEOPLE AND STOPPING THAT THING. IT PUSHES TRAFFIC WEST AND IT'S
GOING TOá-- IT'S ALREADY A NIGHTMARE.
THEY'RE GOING TO BE CUTTING THROUGH CITY HALL TRYING TO GET
ON THE INTERSTATE AND WINDING THROUGH MAIN STREET TO TRY TO
GET DOWNá-- >> MANAGER, WHEN DO YOU PLAN ON
BRINGING A RESOLUTION? >> WE CAN BRING THAT AT THE NEXT
VOTING MEETING. >> WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR
DISCUSSIONá-- LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM.
>> WHAT I'LL DO IN THE INTERESTS OF TIME IS LET'S MOVE TO THE TWO
AGENDA ITEMS THAT YOU WILL VOTE ON TONIGHT.
>> OKAY. >> OKAY?
TOP DECK. >> MR.áMAYOR, MEMBERS OF
COUNCIL, IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO BE BEFORE YOU.
TONIGHT I'LL BE PRESENTING A PILOT PROGRAM IN OUR PARKING
ENTERPRISE CALLED TOP DECK AND YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED FOR SOME
TIME THAT THE TOP OF OUR PARKING DECKS FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF
THE YEAR REMAIN EMPTY. >> I KNOW YOU SAW THIS THE AT
RETREAT. AT THAT TIME, WE THOUGHT WE
COULD DO IT ADMINISTRATIVELY. THE REASON WE'RE DOING A SHORT
PRESENTATION TONIGHT IS THAT IT DOES REQUIRE AN ORDINANCE FROM
COUNCIL. >> I BELIEVE THE OPERATIVE WORD
WAS "SHORT." AS WE'VE SHOWN HERE, THE TOP OF
THREE OF OUR GARAGES, WE DEVELOPED A PROGRAM THAT WE'RE
GOING TOá-- OR SEEKING TO PILOT INVOLVING THREE OF OUR GARAGES
FOR A TOTAL OF 300 SPACES. THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO CONCERN
THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN AS WELL AS OTHERS
REGARDING PARKING BEING AN IMPEDIMENT TO BUSINESSES LOOKING
TO LOCATE DOWNTOWN AS WELL AS A WAY THAT WE COULD INCREASE OUR
REVENUE BY HAVING THOSE TOP FLOOR SPACES ACTUALLY UTILIZED
AND GENERATING REVENUE FOR OUR SYSTEM.
WE DEVELOPED A PILOT PROGRAM WITH THREE TIERS, ONE, TWO,
THREE. EACH TIER HAS 100 SPACES IN IT,
EACH TIER HAS A SPECIFIC CART, IF YOU WILL.
TIER ONE IS LOOKING FOR NEW BUSINESSES TO NORFOLK WITH 50 OR
LESS EMPLOYEES. ONE OF THE THINGS THIS WE BUILT
INTO THE PILOT PROGRAM IS THE ABILITY FOR A NEW BUSINESS THAT
IS SEEKING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TIER ONE, THE ABILITY TO LOCK IN
PARKING FOR THIS RATE, WHICH IS $40 FOR TIER ONE, FOR A TWO-YEAR
PERIOD. IN TIER TWO, IT LOOKS TO THE
SAME SMALLER BUSINESSES WITH LESS EMPLOYEES, BUT AS OPPOSED
TO TO TIER ONE WHICH IS NEW BUSINESSES, TIER TWO IS
EXISTING. TIER THREE LOOKS TO THE NEXT
STEP, THOSE BUSINESSES WITH 51 TO 100 EMPLOYEES.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE STRUCTURED IN IS THAT THE CITY
MANAGER HAS THE ABILITY BASED ON OUR ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE ONCE WE
ROLL THE PROGRAM OUT, IF WE FIND THAT TWO TIERS ARE FULLY
UTILIZED AND WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY ACTIVITY IN ONE TIER, WE
HAVE THEá-- THE MANAGER HAS THE ABILITY TO SHIFT THE 100, IF YOU
WILL, SO THAT IT'S WHERE THE DEMAND IS.
BUT IN NO INSTANCE IT WOULD BE MORE THAN THE 300 SPACES THAT
WE'VE IDENTIFIED. EACH TIER HAS ITS OWN PRICING
STRUCTURE. AS YOU WOULD THINK, THE NEW
BUSINESSES HAS THE LOWEST, $40 A MONTH, 60 AND 70, SO FORTH.
THESE ARE FULL ACCESS PARKING. WE'LL HAVE THE PARKING SPACES
NESTED, THERE WILL BE A CONTROL CARD THAT WILL GIVE SWIPE ACCESS
TO THE GROUND FLOOR, AS WELL AS ANOTHER SWIPE TO GET ON TO THE
TOP DECK AND IN THE REVERSE, TO GET OUT OF THE TOP DECK AND OUT
ON THE GROUND FLOOR. I MENTION THAT DETAIL BECAUSE
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS ENFORCEMENT,
AND AS WE LOOK TO ENFORCEMENT, WE'VE DEVELOPED A STRUCTURE THAT
WE BELIEVE WILL CLEARLY COMMUNICATE TO THE USERS THAT
THERE IS A DISCOUNT BEING OFFERED FOR THEIR AGREEING TO
PARK ON THE TOP FLOOR. THAT THEY NEED TO PARK ON THE
TOP FLOOR. IF YOU USE YOUR ACCESS CARD TO
GAIN ENTRY ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND DO NOT PARK ON THE TOP
FLOOR, THE FIRST OFFENSE WOULD BE A WARNING.
THE SECOND OFFENSEá-- I'M SORRY. WHEN YOU SWIPE ON THE FIRST
FLOOR AND COME IN, THERE'S A TIME LIMIT TO GET TO THE ROOF.
IF YOU DON'T GET TO THE ROOF IN THAT TIME, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK
DOWN. SO THE QUESTION IS, THE WAY THE
TECHNOLOGY IS SET UP, IS THAT IF YOU HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE IN
TIME, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THERE.
WHEN YOU TRY AND LEAVE THE GARAGE AND SWIPE YOUR CARD, IT
WILL NOT LET YOU OUT BECAUSE YOU NEVER GOT TO THE TOP DECK.
AND IN THAT INSTANCE, EVERYONE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THE
VARIOUS GARAGES THE FULL DAILY RATE FOR THAT FIRST OFFENSE AS
WELL AS THE SECOND OFFENSE, BUT IN ADDITION TO THE FULL DAILY
RATE TO GAIN EXIT OF THE GARAGE, THE SECOND OFFENSE WOULDá-- THE
VEHICLE WOULD BE TICKETED $30. THE THIRD OFFENSE, WE WOULD
DEACTIVATE THE CARD AND NOTIFY THE COMPANY THAT THEY'RE NO
LONGER A PART OF THE TOP DECK PROGRAM.
>> DOES THAT ELIMINATE PEOPLE FROM GOING IN, PARKING
SOMEWHERE, AND NOT GETTING TO THE THIRD FLOOR?
>> RIGHT. >> OKAY.
AND THAT'S AN AREA IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY TRY AND LEAVE,
THEIR CARDS WON'T WORK. THEY HAVE TO GO TO AN ATTENDANT
AND THEY DON'T HAVE A TICKET, SO THEY WOULD PAY THE LOST TICKET
FEE, WHICH IS THE MAX DAILY RATE.
>> HOW DOES THAT WORK IN THE GARAGE IF THEY COME TO THE
NAUTICUS? YOU HAVE NINE OF THEM, RIGHTá--
>> THEY'RE NOT FULLY AUTOMATED. JUST ONE LANE AT THOSE NINE THAT
JUST CAME ON LINE. >> OKAY.
>> AND THE THREE GARAGES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE NOT FULLY
AUTOMATED. THEY EACH HAVE ONE LANE.
>> OKAY. >> DOES THE AUTOMATION PREVENT
SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT A TOP DECK PARTICIPANT FROM PARKING ON THE
TOP DECK? >> THEY WOULD NOT HAVE A CARD TO
SWIPE TO GIN ENTRY TO THE TOP DECK.
>> SO THERE WILL BE A SEPARATE SWIPE TO THE TOP DECK.
>> YES, ONE ON THE GROUND AND ONE ON THE TOP FLOOR.
ACTUALLY ON THE TOP FLOOR, YOU HAVE TO SWIPE TO GET OUT OF THE
TOP FLOOR. I BELIEVE THE ORDINANCE IS UP
FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER
THEM. >> I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK
THAT YOU'VE ALL DONE ON THIS. IT'S SOMETHING THE DOWNTOWN
COMMUNITY HAS BEEN PUSHING FOR FOR A LONG TIME.
I KNOW IT TOOK A LOT OF WORK TO DO, SO I THANK YOU FOR GETTING
THIS DONE. >> THE OTHER ISSUE WE WANTED TO
GIVE YOU A QUICK BRIEFING ON IS THE PROPOSED ZONING AMENDMENT
THAT YOU HAVE DEALING WITH THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR ABC
ESTABLISHMENTS AND THE REASON WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BRIEFING ON
THIS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE DEALT WITH THIS ISSUE SEVERAL TIMES
OVER THE PAST YEARS, SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE
UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE'RE DOING. WHAT THIS ORDINANCE WOULD DO, IF
IT IS APPROVED, IT WOULD ELIMINATE THE RESTRICTION WE
CURRENTLY HAVE BY CODE ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR ANY ABC
ESTABLISHMENT THAT IS LOCATED WITHIN 100 FEET OF A
SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE IN A SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING
DISTRIBUTION. IT WOULD MAINTAIN THE
PROHIBITION ON THE HOURS OF AMPLIFIED NOISE, AMPLIFIED SOUND
OUTSIDE BECAUSE THE REAL ISSUE THAT WE RUN INTO WITH THE
ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE THIS CLOSE TO A RESIDENTIAL ZONING
DISTRICT IS A NOISE ISSUE. AND THAT'S THE ISSUE WHERE WE'VE
HAD THE COMPLAINTS. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS KEEP
EXACTLY WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, NO AMPLIFIED OUTSIDE AFTER
10:00áP.M. DURING THE WEEK AND AFTER 11:00áP.M. ON FRIDAYS AND
SATURDAYS, AND NOW WE GIVE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA PEACE AS
THE NIGHT WENT ON, THINKING WE WOULD.
TO GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE, PRIOR TO
2011, WE HAD NO POLICY ON THIS. EVERYTHING WAS DONE ON A
CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, AND AFTER GETTING COMPLAINTS FROM CITIZENS
THAT CITY COUNCIL WAS INCONSISTENT IN HOW THEY APPLIED
THIS, WE WERE ASKED TO DEVELOP STANDARDS.
WE DEVELOPED STANDARDS RESTRICTING THE HOURS OF
OPERATION IF THE ABC ESTABLISHMENT WAS WITHIN 100
FEET OF A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
AND THAT WAS ADOPTED A YEAR AGO, SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
HAD SOME ISSUES WITH THAT, AND WE ESTABLISHED DIRECT TIFS TO
REVISE THATá-- DIRECTIVES TO REVISE THAT TO LIMIT THE
RESTRICTION TO BE WITHIN 100 FEET OF A SINGLE-FAMILY PROPERTY
DEVELOPED IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRIBUTION AND THAT WAS
ADOPTED IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, AND THEN THIS PAST JULY, WE WERE
ASKED TO REVISE IT AGAIN TO ESSENTIALLY GO BACK TO CITY
COUNCIL DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, WHICH
IS WHAT THIS ORDINANCE WOULD DO. STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED APPROVAL
BASED ON CONSISTENCY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AS WELL AS COUNCIL
DIRECTION AND PLANNING COMMISSION HAS RECOMMENDED
APPROVAL BY A 4-0 VOTE. >> SO THIS WOULD BE ON A
CASE-BY-CASE BASIS, GOING BACK TO THE OLDá--
>> YES, RIGHT. >> TWO QUESTIONS.
THE FIRST ONE IS, IF THIS IS A VACANT LOT NEXT TO ONE OF THESE
ESTABLISHMENTS, BUT IT'S ZONED RESIDENTIAL, DO THE SAME RULES
APPLY? >> NO, IT HAS TO BE DEVELOPED.
>> AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS, I'VE NOTICED THAT SOME OF THE
VOTES COMING OUT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION ARE GOING BACK DOWN
AGAIN. I THOUGHT WE HAD APPOINTED SOME
NEW PEOPLE. >> YOU HAVE.
>> OKAY. >> THE ISSUE WE RUN INTO IS THAT
SOMETIMES NOT EVERYONE CAN BE THERE FOR THE ENTIRE MEETING,
AND SO SOMETIMES PEOPLE HAVE TO LEAVE EARLY AND THEN ON A NUMBER
OF ONES THAT ARE NOT FOR TEXT AMENDMENTS, BECAUSE OF THE
MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND WHO THEY ARE,
THEY'RE ATTORNEYS WHO REPRESENT DEVELOPMENT ISSUES, AND SO IN
SOME CASES, THE ATTORNEYS HAVE TO ABSTAIN FROM VOTING BECAUSE
OF A CONFLICT AND THERE ARE REALTORS WHO REPSED THE PEOPLE
INVOLVED, SO THEY ALSO HAVE TO ABSTAIN AND THAT'S WHY AT TIMES
YOU GET THESE LOW VOTES. .
>> THANK YOU, IS JUST BOTHERS ME BECAUSE WE RELY ON THE PLANNING
COMMISSION FOR SOME OF OUR MOST IMPORTANT VOTES AND WE JUST
DON'T GET AN ACCURATE PICTURE SOMETIMES OFá-- YOU KNOW, Iá--
>> I THINK WE HAVE A VERY GOOD PLANNING COMMISSION RIGHT NOW.
I'D LIKE TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO YOU FOR THE
PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE APPOINTED. >> I MEAN, HAVE YOU THOUGHT
ABOUT CHANGING THE TIMES? >> WE HAVE DISCUSSED IT.
>> OKAY. >> I THINK WE GENERALLY GET VERY
GOOD ATTENDANCE. IT'S HARDER SOMETIMES IN THE
SUMMER BECAUSE PEOPLE DO TAKE VACATIONS.
>> SURE. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THE SENIOR
AND DISABLED REAL ESTATE TAX RELIEF PROGRAM AS PRETTY HEAVY
LIFT AND I THINK THAT TEN MINUTES MAY BE A BIT MUCH.
WE DO HAVE THE RECYCLING THAT WAS AGAIN ANOTHER TAB AT
RETREAT. IT'S GOOD NEWS.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD LIKE TO JUST END NOW OR
GIVE AN UPDATE ARE WHERE WE ARE WITH THE RECYCLING PROGRAM.
>> I'M SORRY, I GOT UP AND LEFT A MOMENT AGO, BUT THEá-- WE
DECIDED WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ON THE BUS STATION, BRING IT FOR
A RESOLUTION ORá-- VOTE AND SEE IF THE ADMINISTRATION'S
RECOMMENDATIONá-- ALL I WOULD ASK IS THATá-- I DON'T THINK
IT'S ENOUGH TO VOTE. I KNOW Iá-- MAYBE THIS ISá-- I
DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO PROE, BUT IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE
LOCATION, THEN I WOULD HOPE THAT WHEN YOU COME IN HERE TO VOTE ON
THIS THING, THAT WE ALLá-- I MEAN THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO
SUPPORT SOMETHING AND THEN THE FUNDS TO MAKE THE HAPPEN AS
WELL. IT'S NOT JUST ENOUGH TO SAY NO,
BECAUSE IT REALLY HAS BEEN ON THE TABLE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME,
SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS ONE, HELP US GET THE FUNDS FOR
ANOTHER ONE TO MAKE SOMETHING WORK.
I THINK IT'S PRETTY WEIGHTY AS A PROFESSIONAL TO SAY THIS IS
THEIR CONSIDERED OPINION. I MEAN, I WOULDá-- SORRY, THESE
ARE DIFFICULT FACILITIES TO LOCATE IN A VERY BUSY DOWNTOWN,
AND THERE ARE GOING TO BE BUSES REGARDLESS OF WHERE WE PUT THIS
THING, BUT WE HAVE TO MOVE ON WITH IT SOMEHOW, SO IF WE VOTED
FOR IT NEXT TIME WE HAVE A RECORDED VOTE, STILL GOING TO
TAKE TWO YEARS TO GET THE THING FINISHED, SO I WOULD GIVE A LOT
OF CONSIDERATION TO HOWEVER YOU FEEL, PLEASE COME PREPARED TO
SUPPORT SOMETHING, IF NOT THIS LOCATION, ANOTHER LOCATION, AND
BE WILLING TO APPROPRIATE THE MONEY THAT WILL ALLOW US TO GET
THE THING DONE IN THE SAME PERIOD OF TIME.
DON'T JUST GO RIGHT BACK TO WHERE WE WERE.
>> I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE A COST BREAKOUT ON
HARBOR PARK TOO. >> WITH CEDAR GROVE, DID THEY
EVER CONSIDER, AS BARCLAY WAS SUGGESTING, MOVING IT TO THE
FRONT AND HRT RUNNING LIKE THE NET BUSES DIRECTLY TO A LIGHT
RAIL STATION FROMá-- I MEAN ISá--
>> I THINK THEY LOOKED AT EVERYTHING.
I MEAN, THIS ADMINISTRATION IS (INAUDIBLE).
>> LIKE HE SAID, FIRST TRY AND GET THE WORK DOWNTOWN, THIS IS
OUR SERVICE INDUSTRY PEOPLE, AND THEY GOT TO GET OFF THE BUS AT
CEDAR GROVE TO GET ON A NET BUS TO TAKE THEM TO A LIGHT RAIL
STATION, THEY GOT TO GET TO WORK ON TIME TOO.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW TOMMY AND ANGELIA, YOU GUYS
HAVEN'T BEEN AROUND WHEN WE INITIALLY STARTED THE AVENUE
CONVERSATIONS, BUT THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT NEVER KNEW THE
TRANSFER STATION, THEY NEVER KNEW IT WAS A CHARLOTTE.
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT NEVER KNEW THAT THE TRANSFER STATION, THEY
THOUGHT IT WAS A BUS STOP, NEVER KNEW IT WAS THE ACTUAL TRANSFER
STATION ON CHARLOTTE. YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WHEN
THAT TRANSFER STATION WAS ON CHARLOTTE.
THEY MOVED TO IT A PROBLEMATIC AREA.
THE PEOPLE THAT RIDE THOSE BUSES ARE NOT PROBLEMATIC, AND SO TO
ME, IT ALWAYSá-- WE'VE BEEN HAVING THE DISCUSSION IN TERMS
OF THIS NEEDS TO BE DOWNTOWN. THESE PEOPLE ARE PART OF OUR
COMMUNITY, PART OF THE FABRIC OF OUR SOCIETY, AND THEY MAKE MOST
OF OUR HOTELS AND THE BUSINESSES GO DOWNTOWN.
>> MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE FIXED IT BEFORE WE GOT ON COUNCIL AND
THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
>> TRIED TO, TRIED TO. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT?
WE'RE HERE TODAY AND UNLESS ONE OF YOU GUYS CAN COME UP WITH
ANOTHER SOLUTION OTHER THAN SAYING THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT
LOCATION, YOU KNOW, THEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, PUT
IT ON THE TABLE AND LET IT BE VETTED OUT.
YOU HEARD THE COST ANALYSIS ASSOCIATED WITH HARBOR PARK, BUT
I RESPECT YOU, DR. WHIBLEY, AND YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT
INFORMATION. AND SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, I
DO BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT USE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION
DESERVE THIS BODY TO MAKE A DECISION YESTERDAY.
IT'S ALREADY GOING TO TAKE TWO YEARS TO BUILD IT.
BUT WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION. >> THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL.
[ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ] >> SURE.
>> OKAY. WELL, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER
COMMENTS, WE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK AND START RIGHT AT 7:00
THEN. >> THANK YOU.
>> DO WE HAVE RECYCLING DOWNTOWN?
CAN YOU GIVE ME A QUICK OVERVIEW OR DO YOU WANT TOá--
>> THAT'S EXACTLYá-- >> THE ORGANIZATION THAT DOES
CONTRACT FOR USá-- >> WAS ABOUT BUSINESSES?
ARE WE GOING TO HAVE IT FOR BUSINESSES THAT THEY CAN
RECYCLE, RESTAURANTS AND THINGS ALL OVER THE CITY?
>> THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO EXPLORE.
>> SOISS NOT HAPPENING YETá-- SO IT'S NOT HAPPENING YET.
>> THIS ISSUE IS JUST CONVERTING OUR IN-HOUSE RECYCLING SERVICE
TO CONTRACT. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE
STILLá-- >> WELL, WE ALL SIGNED UP FOR
OUR PERKS, SO THAT'S EXCITING. >> OKAY.
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