Chancellor Jack Scott - State Budget 03-22-12

Uploaded by pcclancer on 23.03.2012

[ Music ]
>> Please welcome to the stage [background music] the President
of the PCC Academic Senate, Ed Martinez and the Chancellor
of the California Community College System,
Chancellor Jack Scott and Former President
of Pasadena City College.
>> Welcome.
I'm Edward Martinez, President of the PCC Academic Senate.
It's my pleasure to welcome all faculty, students
and staff members to this town hall event featuring our
Chancellor, Dr. Jack Scott.
This event is co-sponsored by the Academic Senate
and the PCC Board of Trustees.
I would also like to welcome community members
in the audience including Bill Bogaard, Mayor of the City
of Pasadena, Sandra Thomas from the Altadena Town Council,
Scott Svonkin from the Los Angeles Community College Board
of Trustees representing the San Gabriel area, Joel Shapiro,
Superintendent of the South Pasadena Unified,
Tanganica Turner from the Office
of Assemblymember Anthony Portantino, and Adam Carter
from Senator Carol Liu's Office.
I just want to take a moment and remind the PCC faculty
that on Monday, I sent to all of you a list
of Local Assembly Members and State Senators
with their phone numbers, addresses and emails.
I'm sure that in just a few minutes,
Dr. Scott will provide you with abundant reasons why you need
to get in touch with them and advocate for PCC
and for Community Colleges in general.
[Applause] Before we hear Dr. Scott, please join me
in greeting Geoffrey Baum, President of our Board
of Trustees representing District Number 1 and a member
of the Board of Governors
for all California Community Colleges.
Thank you.
>> Thank you so much President Martinez.
I'm, it's really a treat to be here today
that I have this opportunity to talk
about the budget crisis impacting the state
and our partnership with the faculty of PCC as members
of the Governing Board is so important
to the future of this institution.
And so I'm grateful for the partnership that's extended
by President Martinez and I just want to take a moment
to recognize-- and Mayor Bogaard just arrived and we,
we mentioned him earlier but we want to say hello.
Say hi to Mayor Bogaard.
[Applause] Could I ask the members of the Academic Senate
to please stand and be recognized
who are present with us today.
Who's our member of the Academic Senate?
Can you please let us have an opportunity to recognize you?
[Applause] Many of them are in class or coming from class
and then-- is that Scott Svonkin that just here
from like LA Community College District Board of Trustees.
It's great to see you Scott.
And then I want to ask my colleagues
on the Pasadena City College Board of Trustees to stand
and allow us to recognize the partnership that we have.
[Applause] I see Linda Wah, Tony Fellow, Bill Bogaard,
Berlinda Brown, Jeanette Mann and we're all working together
to advocate on behalf of students and student success
in Pasadena and I also want to extend my deep appreciation
to the administration, President Rocha and Juan Gutierrez
for helping organized this event on our behalf
so that we have an opportunity for this dialogue.
>> Geoff?
>> Yes.
[ Inaudible Remark ]
Yes, we mentioned Sandra Thomas already Dr. Mann.
So Dr. Sandra Thomas, it's great to see you.
[Applause] Okay, thank you but that's what I love
about Jeanette Mann, she's never will hesitates
to let you know what she's thinking
and that's why she's a great colleague
on the Board of Trustees.
So the-- but really, I was in the Board
of Governors meeting just a few weeks ago
when Dr. Scott announced to the Board of Governors
that after 3-1/2 years, he's chosen to retire this year
and it was, at first something that I said in private
in close session but I feel free to share this the same.
You know you've mentioned that you failed retirement twice.
Can we convince you to fail retirement one more time?
[Applause] And, he said not this time because he pointed
out that he graduate to college in 1954, that's 58 years ago.
He's been serving students every single day since 1954.
It's a remarkable record of achievement.
He was-- [Applause] And so, you will know him
from the Community College System.
Actually I have a family connection.
My mom served on the Coast Community College District Board
of Trustees when the chancellor was the head of Academic Affairs
at Orange Coast College
in Orange County then he became president of Cyprus College
and then as we all know,
President of Pasadena City College,
when he announced his first retirement.
And then, Jeanette Mann
and a few others actually convinced him
to extend his public service and go in and run
for political office where he served in the State Assembly
for two terms and then transferred to the State Senate.
There was no one that was a more passionate advocate
and spokesperson and more effective in getting things done
for the Community College students than assembly men
and senator, Jack Scott so that when the governor look
to a leadership and make policy that would impact students
that he turned to Jack Scott, and that leadership
and that advocacy yielded results.
And so, we turned around, the chancellor
and the senator turned around the tied of neglect
for community colleges after decades into one
where community colleges
and community college students became the focus
of our state's higher education policy making.
And so then when I caught-- when I was going through the process
of appointment for the Board of Governors,
that they were looking to Jack Scott
to be the chancellor of the system.
"I said there's no way Lacreta is going to let him do it.
He's given so much of himself already."
And then when he was, he agreed to do it,
I realized that everyday that Jack Scott
and Lacreta Scott committed
to serving was a gift no matter whether it was a day, a month,
a week, or pushing 4 years now.
And so we've been very fortunate that Jack Scott has continue
to serve students and the state and the community,
and it's been a gift to him.
He makes less than most community college presidents
by the way in the State of California.
It's something that he's doing out of a passion for education
and a deep, a sense of personal service and public service
that serves as a model for so many of us both here
in our community and up and down the state.
And we're so lucky because he and Lacreta have agreed,
have announced that after his retirement and we should all,
that he and Lacreta are going to come back to our community
and be a part of the Altadena Pasadena Community just as soon
as they complete rebuilding their house which unfortunately
as many of you heard was lost
to a terrible fire on Christmas Day.
So please give a Pasadena City College lancer welcome
to the chancellor
of the California Community College System, Jack Scott.
[ Applause ]
>> Well, Geoff, I really thank you
for that very warm introduction.
And certainly, to stand here in Saxon Auditorium is a moment of,
where many memories flood through my mind because you see,
I came here in 1987 as president of Pasadena City College
and I gather there probably students out there
that weren't born at that time.
My hair was a little different color at that time but some
of the richest and most wonderful years
of my life were spent right here.
My office of course as you know was
in the halls of this building.
I remember a lot of wonderful things happening here
where you're able to build a new library and we were able
to build several other, the parking lot
and the wonderful structure over the community skill center
and we set the stage for the beginning
of the athletic facility and you just kept going.
And as I walked on this campus this morning,
I once again was struck by how really outstanding
and beautiful the campus is.
It has a wonderful feel about it,
and of course it's always great to see students and it's great
to see my many friends here.
I owe a lot to Pasadena because they not only brought me here
as president but they were kind enough to elect me and I run
for office four different times
and I was fortunate to win each time.
I served two terms in the Assembly and two terms
in the Senate and that was a great experience.
It was my first experience in politics probably as most of,
you know, politics is kind of a contact sport
but I survived it just fine
because I had great friends here.
And I have enjoyed my role as a chancellor but Lacreta
and I do look forward to coming back here to the Pasadena area
and maybe have a little slower pace then.
I've been accustomed to in my life but still being a part of,
of this great community.
Now, if you ask me here to talk a little bit
about the present state of California's budget
and what we might call a state of the state.
I could say there's both good news and bad news.
The good news for California Community College is,
is simply that I've never known community colleges
to be more popular than they are today, not only in California
but throughout the nation.
People are recognizing the value even President Obama frequently
states the value of community colleges.
He recently presented his budget
at Northern Virginia Community College.
We're being inundated with students who want to come here.
Who want their first 2 years are those who are out of work
and know that our career technical programs are so great.
In fact, I recently read that this middle skilled jobs,
the jobs that our career technical programs here at PCC,
jobs like auto servicing, nursing,
radiological technology, et cetera, that those jobs
between 2008 and 2018 are going to grow by 19 percent.
So you're doing something for the economy
of the State of California.
Unfortunately, the State
of California has not fully recognized
and appreciated what higher education is doing.
And I think it's a tragedy that's happening in our state
as slowly the resources are being taken away
from the community colleges, from K through 12 education,
from the University of California,
from California State University.
We will pay a very high price in the future for those thousands
of students who can't come in to our institution simply
because there's not enough room.
I'm, you know, I'm going to have
to tell you this rather frank bad news.
I'm thinking a little bit about the story of the older man
who begin to lose his hearing and finally went to the doctor
and the doctor said, well you know, Ben,
you're a little bit prone to drink too much whiskey
and I suggest that you cut down on your consumption.
Well, it came back 6 months later,
his hearing was even worse and the doctor begin to berate him
and finally, he said, "You know doctor, I thought about it
for a while," and he said "Frankly,
I like what I was drinking better than what I was hearing."
[Laughter] So I'm going to have to tell you some things
about the state of the finances in California
that are not good news.
I've told you the good news and now we'll come
out with the straight news.
What caused the drop in the revenues
of the State of California?
Well, it goes way back to even 1978 when Prop 13 was passed,
and suddenly, the property taxes in California were placed
under a very strict kind of cap.
And so, they didn't grow at the rate that they did before.
And so California began to depend more upon income tax.
Well, the problem with income tax is it's very volatile.
It goes up and down, and so, in the early '90s,
times we're good, there was a tech revolution
and so all the revenues went up.
But suddenly, the bottom dropped out.
And let me just tell you when it dropped out.
In 2007-'08, California was collecting 99.2 billion dollars
in revenue.
The very next year, it dropped to 82.8 billion dollars
in revenue or a 16.5 percent drop.
Well, that of course hurt us very much and you might say,
well why couldn't we solve that problem?
Well we have some structural problems in California
that make it difficult to solve.
For one, we can't raise taxes unless we get a 2/3 vote.
Now, I was in the legislature and I saw how hard it was
to get a 2/3 vote because, there is one party
for instance who's made a pledge,
we're not going to raise taxes.
Well, when suddenly, you are running a revenue short fall
of that magnitude and you can't raise taxes,
there's only one other thing to do and that's to cut,
begin to reduce the expenditures.
Furthermore, there were other parts of the state budget
that we're growing and sometime, it was hard to stop them,
for instance, corrections.
Corrections now takes 10 percent of the state budget.
That's more than we spend on the University of California
and California State University combined.
Sometime I think we're more interested in prison stripes
than in graduation gowns.
And one of the reasons for that frankly is that, an arms deal
to put more prisoners behind bars,
we voted for three strikes and you're out.
Well, folks, when you put somebody away for a long time,
it cost lots of money.
Take 40,000 dollars a year
for every prisoner that's incarcerated and say,
"He stays in there for 25 years," and I say he
because by far, the large majority
of our prisoners are male, that's a million dollars.
And so, we have some parts of our budget that were growing
and what happen was education with the drop in revenue
and worth the growth of other expenditures begin
to be pushed out.
Let me tell you what happen to community colleges
in that period of time.
In 2009-'10, we took an 8.7 percent cut
which is 549 million.
This year, we took an additional 7.6 percent cut which is
about 16 percent and then we found
out that our fees are not running as high
as we thought they would, that's the tuition we pay,
because so many of our students now,
own Board of Governors waiver
and then also the property tax weren't as high.
So we're doing the best we can to present our play,
and I met for instance with the Director of Finance,
Ana Manosantos and I met
with the governors aids to say, we need help.
We're in desperate situations.
But, that's what's been happening to us.
So, a lot of times, if you think that what's happened
to that Pasadena City College is isolated, it's not at all.
It's happening all up and down the state.
I visit college campuses constantly.
I was in Long Beach yesterday and I was visiting
with the presidents of Northern California last weekend
and the tale of woe is the same.
That is community colleges are experiencing great difficulty.
Well, how do they cope with that?
Well, there's a variety of ways to cope with it.
You know you can try to make some cut
and maybe even things like maintenance.
You can't cut utilities much.
But the reality is, that our biggest expenses is personnel.
We are people's business, and it's 85 percent
of most community college budgets has to do
with paying personnel.
But that's as it should be because it's the teachers,
it's the classified staff, it's the administrators,
it's the whole college staff that makes a difference
in the lives of students.
And so, most colleges have begun to contract the number
of courses that they offer.
Why did they do that?
Well, there's 2 reasons, one is of course, it lowers expenses,
and secondly, the state when they lowered the amount of money
that we receive, they also lowered the cap
on each community college.
Let me just illustrate that.
Let's say, let's just throughout of college,
let's say that you were generating 10,000 full time
equivalence, FTES we call that.
Well if you cut that by 10 percent, they are saying,
well now, we'll only pay you for 9,000
and if you educate students beyond that,
we just don't give you any remuneration.
Well that puts a college in a very bad bind.
It isn't that a college really wants to educate fewer students.
Every college I know of would like to educate more students.
That's what we're in the business and we're thrilled
when people are coming to our doors wanting education.
But if you offer fewer classes, then inevitably,
there are people that are turned away.
I was particularly disturb to learn that in the first year
that we took that cut that we lost a 133,000 first
time students.
How did that happened?
Well in most cases, they were the last in line to register.
And so they come in, they're admitted
but there are no classes.
They want that basic English or that basic Math,
all that Chemistry course,
or that History course and it's full.
In fact, our classes have increased in size.
We went from an average of 29 to 31 in that 2-year period.
Now, it maybe that doesn't sound like much but that's about a 5
or 6 percent increased in the size of classes.
And you know, we've got some classes
that frankly, we can't have 31 in.
If you have a machine shop class
in which you've got only 18 stations,
that's all you can take.
And so there are other classes that of course
that have 40 and 50 in them.
So we have-- we've been struggling.
A lot of colleges have felt like maybe the one area
where they could reduce a little was in vocational courses,
those courses that maybe aren't transfer in nature,
or aren't career technical in nature,
or aren't basic skills in nature.
What do I mean?
Well, it maybe a class like aerobics for seniors
or something like that that is a good course
but maybe not isn't quite as essential as those students
who are desperate to transfer or are desperate
for vocational courses.
They want to get a job and of course as, you know,
California has the second highest unemployment rate
in the nation.
We're trying to do some things at the state level.
We can't generate money.
I make a strong plea as I can and I really appreciate the fact
that the president of the academic senate is just said
to you, "Make your statement to your legislatures.
Call on them to give you more money.
It certainly doesn't hurt to make as much noise as you can.
Not-- I don't mean belligerent.
I don't mean occupying of the office but go in
and say how hurtful it is for classes to be cut out and maybe
if student who can go there and say, "You know,
I wanted to transfer but I can't transfer."
We're working on issues when I was in the Chancellor's Office.
There are a lot of things I work on constantly advocating
for community colleges but back 2 years ago in 2010,
we were able to come up with the bill, Senate Bill 1440
which made it easier to transfer to California State University.
They worked with us and we're going to have a transfer degree
in every community college that's only 60 units
that has the same kind of general education that CSU has
and CSU has said, "We will in turn,
when you transfer, we'll take 60."
It will take only 60 more units in order to graduate.
But we think that'll mean that we could educate
about 55,000 more community college students and also
about 15,000 more CSU students
because of this particular action.
However, you probably pick up the paper and read just recently
that CSU is contemplating, accepting no transfers
in the spring of 2013.
Now they're not doing that out of spite.
They're doing that because of that increasing, crunching,
reduction of resources.
And so they're not sure if they can serve us.
They're hopeful that the tax initiative that we'll vote
on in November will pass which will give all of the colleges
and all of education more money.
And I'll just say a word right now.
I'll be very clear that I'll be very supportive
of that tax initiative because-- [Applause] It will mean 3
or 400 million dollars more for community colleges.
And it might mean if it doesn't pass, another big cut
for community colleges.
So I understand the plight of CSU but I can't help but say,
it's going to hurt our students because let's say,
you wanted to transfer in the spring of 2013, you may have
to put it all 'til the fall of 2013.
So those are the kind of tough choices that are being made.
Another thing that we're doing
up there is we recently had a student success task force
and we look at ways by which we can improve student success
in our community colleges.
We're looking at things like priority enrollment for more
of the first year students and maybe looking at those
who are only taking their vocational courses
to be moved a little further back in the line
because we think those first year students are deserving
of transfer and vocational courses.
We want each college to look at ways
in which they can improve student success.
Looking at, I was down at Long Beach yesterday for instance.
I'm very impress with the kind of collaboration
between Long Beach Unified School District,
Long Beach City College and Long Beach State.
They have made it seamless
and they've had a growing college growing rate among their
students and so I would encourage those kinds of steps
on local college campuses.
So we're working to improve student's success.
We're doing all that we can.
What I've come to tell you today is maybe
to just give you a bird's eye view of where we are
in the State of California.
Yes, I admit it's not good news.
There's no way that we can print money in the state
to increase the revenues.
We're not like the Federal Government.
I will do all that I can and have done all that I can to go
up and down the halls of the Capitol.
I happen to know a lot of the people there
and tell them what the community colleges are doing
and how important it is that we receive additional revenues.
But I've got to tell you the truth, there are a lot
of other groups out there are doing the same
and I don't blame them.
California State University, the University of California,
Cal works some of our wonderful programs that have to do
with healthcare and all the other things that the State
of California support and we're seeing just a constant dwindling
of these particular programs.
And so, we are seeing what I would call a debt
by a thousand cuts and that's not a good way
for the State of California.
But I guess, I would want to close by saying to you
who are students, don't give
up because your education is your key to mobility.
All the studies indicate that the more you're educated,
the more likely you are to increase your economic outcome,
the better health you'll enjoy, the less likely you are
to be unemployed and on welfare, all of those benefits come
to you as a result of that.
Sometime when I'm speaking to a high school group, I see them,
how would you like to earn a billion dollars?
And they generally kind of perk up when I say that.
And I say that's the difference and the lifetime earnings
between someone with only a high school diploma and someone
with a college degree.
So stay with-- stay with the course.
I know you're frustrated.
I know there are classes you want to take at times
and you can't get them.
But I would hope that that discouragement is not sufficient
to keep you from achieving your goal because after all,
those of us who have worked in community colleges
for many decades, we are here
because we really believe it's this particular institution
and the other institutions throughout the state
that transforms lives and we are been blessed by being apart
of that great enterprise.
Thank you very much.
[ Applause ]
>> Thank you Chancellor.
This is also meant to be a dialogue and an opportunity
to ask questions for the Chancellor.
We are taping this for those who couldn't come.
So we have two microphones set up in the aisles
and would welcome anybody
who has a question for the Chancellor.
We have about 20-25 minutes for questions
and we'd love to hear it.
If you could at least identify yourself
so that whether you're a student, a faculty member,
a member of the community and we'll get started.
Gent-- Sir, if you could go ahead.
>> Yes. Hi, my name is Sam Resnick[phonetic] I'm a student
and I have a couple questions for Chancellor Scott
about the state of the school of Pasadena City College.
The first is whether or not you're aware of the funds
by the administrations swept
into separate accounts while the administration claims
that it has no more funding.
For example, according
to the faculty association's numbers let me just start here.
2 million dollars last year were set aside in anticipation
of the cuts and I don't know how
that money has been accounted for.
There's also the 4 million dollars swept
in the capital outlay.
The 6.2 millions swept aside for the relocation of the U-Building
and the 15 percent reserves which are of course 10 percent
above the California, the required amount
by the State of California.
So I'm wondering if you're aware of all the funds being swept
into separate accounts while the administration is saying
that they don't have the funding.
>> Well, let me first say to you that I'm not familiar
and nor did I intend to come here and talk
about the situation at Pasadena City College.
I don't know whether those accounts are accurate or not.
I can't tell you that part of the reason
that there was a build up of reserves like a lot
of colleges were for emergencies and I understand that some
of those reserves have been used even
to offer additional classes.
But I'm not going to stand here today and try to make some kind
of observations about a particular situation
at Pasadena City College.
First place, I would be speaking and not having the facts
in front of me other than what you stated and then I'd have
to look very carefully at that and secondly,
that's not the purpose of my coming here was to talk
about Pasadena City College.
My purpose in coming here is to tell you what's happening
in the State of California
and how it has affected Pasadena College
and all the other 112 colleges in the State of California.
>> Next is Simon Fraser from the Associate of Students.
>> Thank you.
As I said, yeah, Simon Fraser from the Associate
of Students PCC, two questions,
and hopefully they'll be pretty easy.
How does the Chancellor's Office plan to help balance the needs
with the student's success task force had not only
with providing, you know, what the colleges need to do as far
as pathways, increased enrollment
and also getting the resources to the community colleges
to help with things like the interventions,
the extra counseling, requirements educational plans?
And secondly, Santa Monica City College has recently developed
its "at cost plan", which I know is also related to AB 515?
And how does that look as far as the trend going
with adding these extra sections for at cost education?
>> Well, that's-- that's a very good question that it has to do
with Santa Monica College and I will simply say to you
that the Chancellor's Office has previously indicated the
colleges that we believe that, that step would be illegal.
There was an attempt to change the law which failed last year
and now Santa Monica College has chosen
to go alone and to do it anyway.
Frankly, we will seek an opinion
from the Attorney General's Office as to whether
or not that is legal or not.
If it's legal they can do it.
If on the other hand it's illegal, they cannot do it.
And the particular code is a little ambiguous.
Now let me tell you about the student's success task force.
There are a lot of things we're calling
on that won't cost any money.
Priority enrollment for instance,
if the colleges change their priorities as to who gets
to enroll first, that won't cost money.
A student success score card for every college
where you breakdown exactly how many students are getting 50
units, 15 units, 30 units, a degrees and so forth,
with a breakdown in ethnicity, that won't cost money.
Now, those things that might cost money for instance,
we're suggesting that every college have an orientation,
and every college have a common assessment.
By the way, right now we have--
we could have 112 different kinds of assessment
for the 112 different colleges.
Frankly, that doesn't make a lot of sense.
So, a common assessment will not be anymore expensive,
be less expensive 'cause we could buy it in bulk.
Now, those things that might cost money,
we will simply face those in when resources are available.
We will not require colleges to do anything
and simply say you must do it.
There are colleges by the way that furnish orientation
for every student who already doing it now
and we would encourage colleges to move in that direction
because that would have a lot to do with student's success.
But a lot of the things that we have suggested
in the student's success task force are only recommendations.
And it's up to the college to follow these best practices.
>> Thank you.
>> Scott?
>> Thank you so much.
Chancellor, as you probably know,
you and Pasadena City College turn my life around.
>> Thank you.
>> And so, I owe you a great tide of gratitude.
For those of you who don't know, I was a high school drop out
and when Jeanette Mann and John Martin were early
in their career as trustees,
Pasadena City College turn my life around.
So, I wanted to thank you for your service and your career.
I was that one student on the committee that hired you
so I take credit for that.
>> I remember it well.
You were a student body president.
>> Student-- trustee and vice president.
>> Oh, trustee excuse me.
>> But I want to ask you for advice.
We're facing mid-year cuts and we're all struggling
with the fact that revenue is down on property tax revenue
and in enrollment and the fee revenue is down.
And so, we're facing mid-year cuts that are going
to hurt each and every one of us.
LA Community College District sounds
like Pasadena City College, we set money aside
to deal with those cuts.
So, we're going to take money out of our reserves
and deplete our reserves some.
But what are the chances and what do you recommend all of us
who love community college, for those of us
that owe community colleges their future, you know,
their lifestyle which I do.
What can we do with your help and together to try to talk
to the governor and convince the governor not
to make the mid-year cuts and just to supplement this?
I believe 149--
>> 149 million, yes.
>> Yeah, 149 million dollars this year.
And so, your advice would be helpful
and what can we do together and what can we do in each
of our communities to address the potential damage it's going
to do to our colleges, our faculty and our students?
>> Well, the first thing you ought to do is go
to your legislators in, like in Los Angeles,
and make sure they're aware of this.
I'm doing all I can, as I said I've met with a lot
of legislators to tell them the story and I met
with the director of finance and I met with the governor's aids,
and so, I'm doing all I can to highlight this
and have difficult this is going to be.
And I sensed we were getting a pretty good reception.
They understood that it's tough to suddenly make mid-year cuts.
And-- but, they're going to be in the same kind of condition,
you know, there is going to be a hundred other claims made
on their time and so forth.
So, go to legislators.
And by the way, when a legislator says to you,
"Oh I love the community colleges" and so forth, ask him
or her, how they voted on increasing taxes
because you can't spend rhetoric.
I haven't found it very helpful just because somebody loves me
to say, "Oh well that's great, how about some money?"
And so, I'm saying, get down to the Baer [phonetic] tax.
Now don't, don't get belligerent or harsh or, you know,
try to occupy his or her office but do go in and make your case.
And I would suggest a good say, 4 or 5 people, a trustee,
a student, a faculty member,
all of those people could really make a case
in front of the legislator.
Don't-- I was a legislator for 12 years.
I paid attention to people who came into my office
and who may-- I didn't always agree with everything they said
but I'll listen to them.
And a phone call helps,
but a personal appearance is the best thing
and that is a personal appearance that's well time not
with 20 people 'cause that's overwhelming.
Just 4 or 5 key people, going in and talking to the legislator
and to any other person that will listen,
any of the state officials
and let them know how that's impacting Pasadena City College
or how that's impacting Los Angeles Harbor College,
or how that's impacting Citrus College.
And make that case and say, you know, your turn--
we're having to turn our backs on people
who want education and that's a tragedy.
>> We're also fortunate to have representatives
of our legislative offices here who've been tremendous advocates
for community colleges.
I saw Tanganica from, and some even Portantino's office,
and who's here from Senator Liu's office?
And Adam's here from Senator Liu's office.
They have been terrific advocates
for the Pasadena City College and community colleges.
The Pasadena City College draw students from all
over the region, from all parts of LA county and I know
that if you live in Mike Gatto's district
or Tim Donnely's District or others, that message needs
to get across to them as well.
Yes ma'am?
>> My name is Natalie Loera, I'm a student here at PCC.
I've been hearing rumors that they're actually going
to extend the semester.
I don't know if that's true or not but what kind
of impact do you think that would have
and do you actually find quarter semesters to be more efficient?
>> To go from semester to quarters.
I would hesitate to do that, and you know that's a decision
to be made by individual colleges
but there are very few colleges that are on the quarter system.
So, it would kind of hurt you in terms of your transfer.
And I know UCLA is on the quarter system
but most CSUs are not on the quarter system and a lot
of UCs are not on the quarter system.
So, I would just simply say that I don't immediately see how
that would solve our problems financially.
I don't know for sure what Pasadena City College does
in terms of its intercessions and summer schools and so forth.
Summer schools have been badly hurt, because often,
what happens is colleges have simply cut back
or even eliminated their summer schools
because they've already reached their cap.
And so when they reach their cap and then they educate students
in the summer school, they don't get paid for that,
all they have is expenses.
So, right now I wouldn't suggest that as a great solution.
Frankly, if I knew of a quick solution, I would suggest it.
>> Yes ma'am.
>> It's really has to do with the like of money.
That's it, that's the key.
>> Hi. I'm Janel Bruno [phonetic], I'm a student here
at PCC, but I also have two students
in the Cal State System,
and I want to know what you have thought
or what community colleges have thought about what's going
to be the ripple effect from the cuts
on the Cal State System and on the UC system?
>> Well, they're going to suffer.
Take for instance UC.
UC is the great engine of research in this state.
I can tell you that a lot
of those wonderful things have happen in Silicon Valley
and another places had a lot to do with higher education.
Any time you cut their resources down,
and a lot of colleges are doing everything they can
to save money but you're going to hurt the economy of the State
of California in the long run.
Cal State, they can't admit as many students.
You know, it's sad to think that we are looking at a group
of students who are thirsty for higher education.
All of which would enrich their life and enrich the economy
of California and because of a lack
of state resources we're having to limit it.
So, it's hard to measure the long term effect.
What does it mean to somebody who tries to enroll
in Cal State, LA and then the circumstances of life changed.
Maybe that person has a chronic illness
or some other thing happened and they never get to go to college?
That is a real deprivation.
So, I can just simply say that even though my role
as a Chancellor of the California Community Colleges,
and that's for whom I speak.
I am just as distressed to over what's happening
to the California State University
and the University of California.
>> Next.
>> Tim Devorcheck [phonetic] I'm a student here at PCC.
I'm a little nervous.
Thank you so much Mr. Scott for being here, Chancellor Scott.
>> Sure.
>> I do have a question.
Recently, or at lest two years ago,
I was in a management position, they ask me to cut my pay
to help the business which I did.
I cut my pay to help the business.
And I went back up to my regular pay.
I'm wondering why we're making cuts all over and this goes
into the political realm as well as here, the Board of Trustees
and our presidents that are getting pay raises as the rest
of us are suffering and how do you view on that which is kind
of an injustice to us under people
that are here at the school?
>> Well, number one, I can't tell you what, you know,
I made it very clear that it's not my job
to solve whatever problems exist to Pasadena City College.
If I were the president here, I try to address those problems
but I'm not the president here.
But let me tell you this.
The faculty and staff have probably gone quite a long
period of time without much in the way of raises.
So,-- and by the way, most of the things that are done
by the faculty and staff are done
through collective bargaining.
So, that's just not something that somebody can decree
and say, "Beginning next year, we'll have a 10 percent cut
in faculty salaries and staff salaries and so forth."
So, I don't know that I can address that.
That's something that should be discussed
but I can guarantee you that you don't have
as many faculty members here or as many administrators here,
or as many staff people here, as you had 3 years ago.
And that's not because they don't want to serve the people,
it's because they have no way to fund new positions.
And so, you have a lot of people retiring,
a lot of people resigning, and they're not replaced.
So, I don't have the figures and I don't--
but I can imagine that Pasadena City College is
like all the other colleges up and down the state
and I have looked at the overall figures, and the number
of administrators, the number of full time faculty,
the number of classified staff,
and nearly all the colleges have decreased
and therefore the payroll as a whole has decreased.
>> I'll just point out.
There had been no raises for Board
of Trustee members as well.
>> Is that also for the presidents?
>> Yes. No.
There was no--
>> There was no raise for any of the presidents?
>> So next.
>> Hi, Doctor Scott.
Bianca Richards--
>> I remember you well, Bianca.
>> Nice to see you.
I just have a question.
Do you think in the discussions was there anything
up with the Chancellors Office, is there a discussion
like the philosophical idea of the community colleges
in the open access maybe changing a little bit
or what is the future of that whole, the foundation
of the community colleges?
Thank you.
>> Well, that's a very good question.
I don't think we're going to change open access.
That's the jewel of this system.
And that says that if you were a high school graduate,
regardless of what your grades were like in high school,
you'll be able to come to Pasadena City College.
I sometimes say University
of California takes the top 12-1/2 percent.
CSU takes the top 33-1/3 percent.
We take the top 100 percent.
So, we're going to still do that.
Now, are we going to suggest that some
of our avocational courses which grew up--
the original purpose of the community colleges is,
it was academic and vocational.
And in time, we begin
to add some things in lifelong learning.
They we're good things.
We had classes in quilting and we had classes in, you know,
aerobics for seniors and things like that.
Those are things that I think we all offer--
we are offering less and less
because that's not our primary mission.
And sometime I get angry adults of my age who say, "Oh,
I love that class," you know, I just want to go to that, I say,
"Do you want to take a seat,
and not allow the first year student who's desperate
to transfer or the person who's out of work, who is looking
to go to some of our career technical programs?"
Are we going to say that those are individuals that we're going
to crowd out to allow you to have that class?
Do you see my point?
>> Thank you.
>> But I don't think we're going to cut back on open access.
Student's success task force simply says we got
to be more successful once you get in.
It has nothing to do with cutting the access.
>> Yes sir.
Hi. My name is Antonio Flores and I'm a student here at PCC.
I saw in ABC 7 that, I guess you're giving raises
to administrators and but yet,
you're cutting funding for schools.
How is that possible?
>> What-- who is that?
>> Oh, ABC 7 had a news article on TV that says
that you're giving administrators raises while
at the same time you're cutting funding for schools.
How is that possible?
>> I didn't give anybody raises.
I haven't gotten a raise in the 3-1/2 years.
I've been there and nobody in my office has gotten a raise.
So, I don't know who it was and, you know, I'm not going to get
in to this game of saying well, you know, they hired somebody
over at the Long Beach City College and they're paying him
or her X, Y or Z and they ought
to be paying them 10 percent less or something.
That's a decision to be made
by Long Beach City College trustees.
But I can tell you I-- we've had no raises at the state level.
In fact, when I first got there after about a year,
we started taking furloughs and we just quit that recently.
So, in the time I've been there, my salary is going down rather
than up because we took furloughs.
So, and our staff is smaller.
So I don't know, you know, I can't second guess other places
but I can tell you what's happened in my office.
>> You might have seen some coverage
about the Cal State System had some coverage
about executive compensation
but in the community college system it's exactly
as Chancellor Scott pointed out.
>> Alright.
>> Yes ma'am?
>> God afternoon.
My name is Rebecca [phonetic] and I'm a student here at PCC.
I just wanted to know as a student how can we sort
of remind people and government, sort of the frustration you have
as a student going through this education process at the fact
that they went through it?
You know, it's sort of frustrating to think that,
you know, they're sort of aren't as motivated sometimes to push
for education especially at a community college level.
The fact that community college, actually,
any type of education reduces the number of people
that will go into jail?
I don't understand why more money would be put towards,
you know, the jail systems and not towards education
by putting money towards education, you're lowering
that number and therefore taking out that extra cost.
>> Well, you know, I couldn't agree with you more.
I believe that education is a prevention and I often make
that case that we're spending too much money on corrections.
I was in the legislator for 12 years and I raised some
of these very questions.
I remember some hesitancy on the part.
One time, one legislator that I know very well introduced a bill
that said we ought to review,
the three strikes and you're out.
As to see how effective it is, I voted for it we couldn't get it
out because some legislators were afraid, if they voted
for it, they would be viewed soft on crime.
And you know, legislators are just average people.
Some of them you have great admiration for
and some other whom you don't.
So, that's, you know, a lot of times people think that,
you know, all legislators are crooks.
No. Legislators, number one, they are elected by the people.
So the people generally deserve what to get.
And number two, they are average people
and they some time are very courageous and sometime,
they're not very courageous.
So, that's the way the ball bounces as they say.
Go right ahead.
>> We have a last question.
>> Hi. My name is Daniela Aveola [phonetic] I'm actually
with the Associate of Students as well.
My question-- well, first
of all Chancellor thank you for coming to PCC.
I'm sure I speak on behalf of everyone for taking your time
to come and answer our questions
and give a little bit more information.
My question is, based on your experience not only
in the educational aspect, but also on the political realm,
what do you think the prognosis would be
for the proposed tax for,
the proposed tax increase in November?
And how would the two different scenarios paint the picture
for the California Community College System?
>> Very good question.
I think it has a good possibility
but I don't think it's a sure thing.
I think those of you, by the way, if you're registered
to vote, vote, if you're not registered to vote, register.
We need your vote.
And if you're a community college student and you want
to see more money go to the community colleges,
then that tax initiative will help community colleges.
It's estimated that it will give 3 to 400 million dollars extra
to community colleges, if it passes
that there will be an additional cut
up to 280 million if it doesn't pass.
So, do the arithmetic.
We're looking at the, a swing of about 500
to 600 million dollars difference.
You know, somebody say, our taxes are too high.
All the people waste money, there is waste and fraud
and all the other things.
Taxes are the price of civilization.
We may not be spending all the money as well
as it should be spent and I'll be a critic
as well as anybody else.
But the reality is, that it does take resources to do things.
It takes resources to run Pasadena City College.
It takes resources to run the, you know,
to sweep the city streets.
It takes resources to light the lamps, to build the roads.
It takes resources to do that.
And the idea that in some way
or another we can just simply turn our back and not pay
for things, it's not that way folks.
It just, I-- and let me say just a word
on behalf of public employees.
I've worked with public employees.
I've worked here at Pasadena City College for 8 years.
I was always impressed by the dedication, by the hard work,
by the individuals who were here,
some of whom could have received a great deal more money doing
something else but who cared deeply about students.
And I'm sure that's been mostly your experience
in your classrooms.
Well, maybe sometime, somebody isn't quite as good a teacher
as your-- as you might think they ought to be,
but in reality, you're here because you recognize
that being a student at Pasadena City College pays off for you.
You know that you are learning a lot.
You're getting excited about things.
And so, I simply am proud to have served
as a public employee now since 1973 and I don't know if I was
over paid or under paid.
But all I know is I enjoyed those many,
many years that I got to serve in my capacity.
I'm proud of the fact that I can make a contribution and I found
that working with many other fellow state employees was a
great, great experience.
So, you know, it's tough times and I know a lot of times
that somebody said once, you know "The manners get bad
when the food gets scarce."
And the food is a little scarce right now and we just have
to pull together and say, "Okay,
it's not exactly the way we wish it were.
We wish the money was or more frequent,
but I think this is still a wonderful institution.
In fact I'm extremely proud to be the Chancellor
of California Community Colleges, the largest system
of higher education in the United States with 112 colleges
and 2.6 million students.
So thanks for being here.
>> Thank you very much Chancellor.
Before you go, actually we have a little surprise for you.
President Rocha is here and I want to turn the mic over to him
because we wanted to express our appreciation for your return
to Pasadena City College.
>> Thanks, Geoff.
>> For the Chancellor.
Well, first, you were far too modest to talk
about what you've done-- so many of the things
that you've done for the college.
And one of those solutions that we were chatting
about before was just plain old good old fashion fund raising.
And a lot of your work enabled us to put
that beautiful library up there.
And we want to thank you and I know you would want--
[Applause] -- you are really, we were looking
at our master facilities plan last night and, you know,
it's because of your great work that we are where we are.
And I know you would want me to acknowledge our great people
on the PCC foundation.
So if you would raise your hands and thank them.
[Applause] 'Cause they're the ones
who are helping us with the solutions.
And we just wanted to say thank you.
There is no adequate way for us to say thank you
for what you've done for Pasadena City College.
You are part of our proud past.
In this past month, our baseball team wore replica jerseys,
the actual jersey that Jackie Robinson wore
when he was a student here in 1936.
So, from one Jack to another Jack, we would like to present
to you the replica jersey.
[ Applause ]
[ Inaudible Remark ]
>> Thank you everybody, get back to class at one o'clock.
[ Music ]
[Inaudible Remark]