Great Cars You Can Import To The U.S. Now -- ROAD TESTAMENT


Uploaded by drive on 21.06.2012

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MIKE SPINELLI: Hey, welcome to Road Testament, Road
Testament, Ro-ad Test-a-mon.
I'm Mike Spinelli.
That's JF Musial.
JF MUSIAL: Hi, Mike.
MIKE SPINELLI: Hi.
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JF MUSIAL: That's really interesting.
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MIKE SPINELLI: But either way.
JF MUSIAL: So you recovered?
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You recovered after our 25-hour stint?
JF MUSIAL: 25 hours of the 24 hours of Le Mans.
That was tiring.
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JF MUSIAL: I'm actually kind of sick
sitting in this position.
This is kind of--
MIKE SPINELLI: I feel like we've been here--
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MIKE SPINELLI: I feel like we've been here for a week.
I miss building forts, though, on camera.
That was fun.
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There's a--
Ooh, I got him.
MIKE SPINELLI: Did you get him?
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
MIKE SPINELLI: Awesome.
JF MUSIAL: All right, so what is the topic for today?
MIKE SPINELLI: So today we decided to take a look at
history but through the lens of cars you can get now.
Because in America, we've got this very weird rule where you
can bring in any car you want after 25 years.
JF MUSIAL: If it's 25 years old.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yes.
25 years old.
Canada, it's only a 15-year rule.
But it has to--
there are some other qualifications it has to meet.
But for the most part, you could bring in cars as long as
they are older than 25 years.
JF MUSIAL: Because we have such strict standards here.
A lot of cars that were sold around the world weren't sold
here in the US.
MIKE SPINELLI: Exactly.
JF MUSIAL: A lot of cars.
MIKE SPINELLI: And there are a lot of very cool cars that we
would love to bring in.
Now, we're sort of doing this in a vacuum, considering we
have no money.
But if we had lots of money, these are the cars--
we picked four each.
These are the cars that we would bring in right now, it
being 25 years from 1987.
JF MUSIAL: 1987.
These are the cars that are now legal in the US.
MIKE SPINELLI: Right.
These are the coolest things we think you should bring in,
or you can bring in to the US right now.
JF MUSIAL: Go ahead.
MIKE SPINELLI: What I--
I'll go first?
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
MIKE SPINELLI: I'm going to go first with something--
and basically, I'm just going to go and just let everybody
know, basically, I picked--
I picked all homologation Group A Touring Cars.
So just to throw that out there, that's what you'll be
getting from me.
JF MUSIAL: OK, what's the first one.
MIKE SPINELLI: Alfa Romeo 75 Turbo Evoluzione.
JF MUSIAL: Very cool.
MIKE SPINELLI: Right.
Only 500 made.
JF MUSIAL: Cool.
MIKE SPINELLI: We got it in this country as the Milano.
JF MUSIAL: Really?
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
JF MUSIAL: I had no idea.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah, it was kind of lame.
JF MUSIAL: Well, then, I don't care about it then.
It needs to--
it's just badge engineering at that point.
MIKE SPINELLI: It is badge eng-- well, it's badge
engineering, except in the homologation special, only 500
were built for Group A homologation.
And Mario Andretti drove one.
JF MUSIAL: Really?
MIKE SPINELLI: It was amazing.
Completely different suspension, new manifold, all
kinds of tricky engine stuff.
JF MUSIAL: Cool.
MIKE SPINELLI: But again, it's an Alfa Romeo, so you'll need
a fleet of mechanics to take care of it.
You won't be able to get any parts.
JF MUSIAL: Yeah, so you're crap out of luck.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yes, but it's probably one of the coolest
Group A homologation cars there are.
So if you could find one, one of the 500, bring
it in to the US.
JF MUSIAL: That would be very expensive.
MIKE SPINELLI: Probably.
JF MUSIAL: Well, the one I have to list at the top of my
list is the 959 Porsche.
Now technically, it took an act of Congress and a few--
because there's so many black imported 959s in the US over
the past 10 years that were--
MIKE SPINELLI: You mean black market?
JF MUSIAL: Gray market.
MIKE SPINELLI: Gray market.
JF MUSIAL: Sorry, gray market.
MIKE SPINELLI: It's OK.
JF MUSIAL: Gray-black-market imported 959s into the US.
They were eventually--
there was an act of Congress, because so many influential
people actually brought those in, including Bill Gates and
Jerry Seinfeld, and all those guys.
But now it's officially legal to bring into the US.
MIKE SPINELLI: Bruce Canepa--
JF MUSIAL: Bingo.
MIKE SPINELLI: Has spent an entire, almost entire career--
well, one of his many things that he does--
making those things legal.
JF MUSIAL: Yep, exactly.
MIKE SPINELLI: And you can still get one from him.
JF MUSIAL: Yeah, you still can get one from him, even though
there aren't that many out there.
But the first year was 1987 that those cars
were actually sold.
So now you can actually legally bring
them into the US.
And fun fact-- and I learned this during our research--
do you know, they stopped production in '89.
But in 1993, Porsche built eight more 959s with the spare
parts they had left just hanging around.
MIKE SPINELLI: I did not know that.
JF MUSIAL: There are eight 1993 959s that are out there,
and those are the most sought-after 959s ever built.
MIKE SPINELLI: So you can't bring those in?
JF MUSIAL: No, not yet.
MIKE SPINELLI: All right.
Well, we'll-- that would be interesting.
JF MUSIAL: Next on your list.
MIKE SPINELLI: So all right.
I have the 1987 Nissan GTS-R--
JF MUSIAL: Awesome.
MIKE SPINELLI: R31, I believe.
JF MUSIAL: GTR, yeah.
MIKE SPINELLI: An R31 GTR.
You got your turbo-- and it's funny, because it was only, I
think tweaked out, I think it was only 210 horsepower.
JF MUSIAL: Which was a lot for the time.
MIKE SPINELLI: It was kind of a lot for the time.
JF MUSIAL: It's more than my current car.
MIKE SPINELLI: Right.
But it had the rear steering--
well, rear passive steering, I believe.
JF MUSIAL: It was only, like, a few degrees.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
It sunk.
It would tow this way or that.
JF MUSIAL: Got it.
OK.
MIKE SPINELLI: It wasn't like the--
it was like a fire truck--
JF MUSIAL: Or like the 7 Series now does 10
degrees to the rear.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah, exactly.
I just drove the latest R35.
JF MUSIAL: The 2013 GTR.
It's amazing how far the GTRs have come in so many years.
MIKE SPINELLI: And that's the thing, is if I were going to
bring it in, I would want to get a new one and have that,
and then have the older ones.
But you still can't--
so the interesting thing about the GTRs now is that
you can't get the--
the R31 is the first of the new generation, the later
generation that you can actually bring in.
JF MUSIAL: Yep.
MIKE SPINELLI: You can't bring in the more sought-after R32s
and R33s yet.
But it's interesting that you can get that first one that
really started hinting at what was going to happen.
JF MUSIAL: That's cool.
Well, my next one on my list is kind of similar to yours.
Well, it's a Nissan, the Silvia S12 Mark II.
MIKE SPINELLI: Oh, OK.
JF MUSIAL: Yep.
Those were never sold in the US.
The Mark IIs were never sold in the US.
And those are now officially on the list of cars
you can import in.
Now, whether or not you want to actually spend that much
money to import one, that's a different question.
But I always thought the Silvia was one of those cars--
as a kid, I was growing up and I was like,
that's such a cool car.
And now that I'm--
I won't say jaded--
MIKE SPINELLI: Now that you're drifting?
JF MUSIAL: Well, now that I've matured in my life, I look
back and think of how stupid I am for ever
wanting such a vehicle.
MIKE SPINELLI: Well, eventually, we'll talk about
the dumb poster cars we had on our walls, naturally.
But that's the problem with nostalgia, is that when you're
a kid, the things that were amazing then.
JF MUSIAL: Everyone has a Kuntage, or a 944,
and for me, a Silvia.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yes.
Although the Ruf Yellowbird from-- well, I know I'm a bit
older than you, but that's still a very cool car.
JF MUSIAL: Of course, of course.
What's your next one on your list?
MIKE SPINELLI: All right.
Of course, I'm going to go to Australia for
the Commodore SS.
JF MUSIAL: Very cool.

MIKE SPINELLI: The VL, I guess it was, by '87, was like the--
there was a V-- well, let me just make sure.
JF MUSIAL: Look over those notes.
MIKE SPINELLI: Let me look over those notes.
JF MUSIAL: I'm going to give you the next one on my list.
MIKE SPINELLI: You go ahead.
JF MUSIAL: Land Rover Defender 110.
Now, we had the Defenders in the US, but they are now--
Defenders are still made to this day.
In fact, on our upcoming "Live and Let Drive" episode, we
drove one across Iceland.
MIKE SPINELLI: You did.
JF MUSIAL: But they are no longer legal
in the United States.
MIKE SPINELLI: To import.
JF MUSIAL: To buy new.
You can't buy new Defenders in the US.
So though this sounds like a weird vehicle that maybe
Europeans would say, why would you want one of those?
Well, there are very few Defenders
left in this country.
But I would love to bring a 110 in.
MIKE SPINELLI: What was it like to--

you drove the diesel one.
Now, you could never get the diesel one here.
Right?
Even in the--
JF MUSIAL: Yeah, you could never-- yeah, I never remember
a diesel coming here, yeah.
MIKE SPINELLI: Right.
JF MUSIAL: What was it like to drive?
Horrible.
It's--
MIKE SPINELLI: [LAUGHS]
JF MUSIAL: High center of gravity, but it's a horrible
seating position, but such a cool car.
MIKE SPINELLI: It's just one of those
cars that are awesome.
JF MUSIAL: Yeah, you must have it.
So what was the one that you were--
MIKE SPINELLI: Well, obviously-- all right, now.
So I mean the--
JF MUSIAL: The Holden.
It was the Holden, the Holden Commodore SS Group A, so
another Group A homologation car.
You might remember the Rothmans Livery
from that era, WTTC.
JF MUSIAL: Cool.
MIKE SPINELLI: Just a great, awesome touring car, V8.
It had the GM platform that they use there.
JF MUSIAL: That's cool.
MIKE SPINELLI: Predecessor to the new Chevy SS, it would be
what's the Caprice in other countries.
So it's the predecessor to what will be coming out in the
next couple of years as the Chevy SS.
JF MUSIAL: Very cool.
MIKE SPINELLI: So if they ever race that in Touring Car--
I guess they wouldn't have to, because now they have the
other [INAUDIBLE].
JF MUSIAL: By the way, I'm now thinking about-- this is off
topic, but did anyone ever take a G8 and put a Holden
body kit on it?
MIKE SPINELLI: You know what, interesting.
You could buy a badge kit for the old GTO that was here, and
you could put all the Holden badges on the
GTO, and you're driving--
JF MUSIAL: That's awesome.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah, it was pretty cool.
JF MUSIAL: Well, my next one on my list is a weird one.
It is a Ferrari 328 GTS Turbo from 1987.
That's a very rare car, very rare car that, actually, I
don't think many came to the US, if at all any.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah, I don't think we-- yeah, we never got
a Turbo Ferrari here, except other than the GTO.
And then the GT40--
I mean, the F40.
JF MUSIAL: That's a cool car.
MIKE SPINELLI: So obviously, my number one is the Ford
RS200 Evoluzione, or Avalucioni.
Yeah, that's the Italian version, the Evolution--
JF MUSIAL: [LAUGHING]
MIKE SPINELLI: The Evo.

JF MUSIAL: Ford has gone to--
I don't know.
What's going on now?
MIKE SPINELLI: Well, I mean, with Group B on the wane--
I mean, it was really right before the Group
B thing went away.
It was a 2.1-liter, built for the '87
season and never raced.
JF MUSIAL: Cool.
MIKE SPINELLI: So that one you can get if you have, oh, I
don't know, $300,000.
I mean, I can't imagine--
they don't come up for sale very often.
JF MUSIAL: Wouldn't be able to find one.
MIKE SPINELLI: But it would be hard.
I think they made-- what did they make, 200 of them?
They made, oh, 24?
JF MUSIAL: So realistically, none of these cars on this
list will be anything that anyone of us or any one of our
audience members will ever buy.
MIKE SPINELLI: Right.
JF MUSIAL: But this is a fun little episode to do in our
own free time.
MIKE SPINELLI: Right.
But if you're going to look at cars you can bring in now, if
you're looking for a very long-term investment, I
suppose, from out of these--
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
MIKE SPINELLI: And something very cool that rich
people can drive now.
JF MUSIAL: There are investments still in the
automotive realm.
Yeah.
JF MUSIAL: There are investments.
A lot of people think that cars depreciate.
Well, most of them do, but there are some
investments out there.
I still believe that.
Even modern-day investments.
Look at the Z8.
MIKE SPINELLI: Exactly.
JF MUSIAL: The Z8 has 99,000 hours [INAUDIBLE].
MIKE SPINELLI: That's true.
That thing has really held its value.
JF MUSIAL: That thing has--
you can't buy one for under $130,000 now.
MIKE SPINELLI: Right.
JF MUSIAL: First-year R8, they were
selling those for $90,000.
Yeah.
MIKE SPINELLI: Well, now, yeah, now they're what?
In the $130,000s?
JF MUSIAL: You can buy them new for $145,000 for a V8.
It's stupid.
MIKE SPINELLI: Anyway, so that's our
question to you guys.
What car from 25 years ago-- what 1987 model from around
the world would you bring in to the US?
I mean, if you're watching from the UK, you already got
all the cool stuff anyway.
JF MUSIAL: Only 40% of our audience is in
the US at this point.
MIKE SPINELLI: And if you're Canadian, it's 15 years.
JF MUSIAL: Oh, think of all the early-1990s cars you'd
love to bring in.
MIKE SPINELLI: Exactly, so that's a whole other question.
JF MUSIAL: That was sarcasm.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah, I know.
No, there's plenty.
Look, if there are enough--
I'm sure there are plenty of--
JF MUSIAL: I think the '80s were better--
MIKE SPINELLI: Homologation cars.
JF MUSIAL: '80s were better than the early-'90s.
MIKE SPINELLI: That's another show.
Road Testament.
JF, good to see you.
JF MUSIAL: You too, Mike.
MIKE SPINELLI: Hit us up on that drive and let us know
what cars you would bring in from 1987 from other countries
that make them that would be legal now.
JF MUSIAL: Yeah.
MIKE SPINELLI: Yeah.
JF MUSIAL: Going on our KOCK Radio Show Tour soon.
MIKE SPINELLI: Man boobs.
JF MUSIAL: See you.
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