Abraham: Father of Faith #5 — The Promised Son


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Transcript:
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( Speaking Hebrew )
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Myles: SHALOM AND WELCOME TO
ZOLA LEVITT PRESENTS.
I'M MYLES WEISS.
Katharine: AND I'M
KATHARINE WEISS AND WE WANT TO
WELCOME YOU BACK TO OUR SERIES
IN THE LIFE OF ABRAHAM.
Myles: I KNOW; IT'S SO EXCITING
TO SEE HOW THIS LIFE OF FAITH
GETS PLAYED OUT FOR US BECAUSE
IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO OURS.
THERE'S A HISTORICAL,
A PROPHETIC AND A PERSONAL
MEANING THAT WE CAN DRAW
OUT OF THE LIFE OF ABRAHAM.
Katharine: WELL,
IT'S VERY PERSONAL FOR THEM NOW.
THEY'VE WAITED ALMOST 2 DECADES
FROM THE FIRST PROMISE
IN GENESIS 12,
TO NOW, GOD IS COMING TO THEM,
THE TWO ANGELS
AND THE LORD HIMSELF.
HE'S RECONFIRMING
THE COVENANT PROMISE THAT
HE'D HAVE, THAT SHE WOULD BE
THE ONE THAT WOULD HAVE THE SON
AND IT WOULD BE BETWEEN
ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN.
AND GOD IS SAYING,
"THIS IS MY PLAN, NO EXTRAS."
AND SO SARAH, YOU KNOW,
IT'S GOD'S APPOINTED TIME,
NOT OUR TIME,
AND SOMETIMES THAT'S DIFFICULT.
Myles: THERE'S A DISCREPANCY
SOMETIMES BETWEEN WHAT GOD
PROMISES AND THE TIMING HE HAS
AND WHAT WE TRY TO MAKE HAPPEN
IN THAT INSTANCE.
THE SCRIPTURE TELLS US
THAT HOPE DEFERRED
MAKES THE HEART SICK,
BUT WHEN THE DESIRE COMES,
IT'S A TREE OF LIFE.
AND WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE THAT
HERE IN GENESIS 18 AND 19.
LET'S GO TO OUR DRAMA AS WE SEE
ABRAHAM AND SARAH RECEIVE THEIR
VISITORS IN THE HEAT OF THE DAY.
Narrator: AND THE LORD
APPEARED UNTO ABRAHAM
IN THE PLAINS OF MAMRE.
( Speaking Hebrew )
( Sarah Laughing )
( Speaking Hebrew )
Myles: WHEN YOU COME TO ISRAEL,
YOU'LL EXPERIENCE THAT
VERY HOSPITALITY THAT
WE SEE ABRAHAM EXEMPLIFYING
WITH THESE STRANGERS THAT COME.
THREE MEN APPEAR.
"MEN" APPEAR.
WHAT WE REALLY ARE SEEING
ARE TWO ANGELS AND A THEOPHANY,
THE PRESENCE
OF THE LORD HIMSELF
AT THE FRONT OF ABRAHAM'S TENT.
WE KNOW THIS IS A THEOPHANY.
HE'S DIFFERENT
FROM THE OTHER TWO.
THE OTHER TWO WILL BE GOING ON
TO SODOM TO TAKE CARE
OF SOME KIND OF BUSINESS THERE,
BUT THIS ONE STAYS WITH ABRAHAM.
AND ABRAHAM RUSHES TO CREATE
A COVENANT MEAL WITH THEM.
THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PART
OF THE STORY OF COVENANT.
THERE'S ALWAYS
A SHARED TIME OF FOOD.
THERE'S ALWAYS
A SHARED TIME OF HOSPITALITY.
IT REMINDS ME OF JESUS
MAKING THE LAST SUPPER
WITH HIS DISCIPLES
OR PREPARING FISH
FOR THE FISHERMEN ON THE SHORE
AFTER HIS RESURRECTION.
THERE'S A WAY THAT
THERE'S SOMETHING AROUND
THE BREAKING OF BREAD
THAT BRINGS US TOGETHER
AND RATIFIES OR TOUCHES
THE REALITY OF COVENANT.
THAT'S WHAT WE SEE HERE
WITH THIS APPEARANCE
OF THE LORD AND THE TWO ANGELS.
IT'S INTERESTING
THAT THIS CENTER MAN, THIS ONE,
APPEARS BETWEEN
THE TWO ANGELS,
OR COMES WITH TWO ANGELS.
SCRIPTURE TELLS US ABOUT GOD
THAT HE DWELLS
BETWEEN THE TWO CHERUBIM
AND THAT'S WHAT WE SEE HERE.
ABRAHAM IS ENCOUNTERING THESE
ANGELS AND THE LORD HIMSELF
IN THE MIDST OF
THE PAIN OF CIRCUMCISION,
IN THE MIDST OF THIS
INCREDIBLE HARSH ENVIRONMENT
HE IS GIVEN TO HOSPITALITY
WHICH IS A HEARTBEAT
OF THE CULTURE HERE.
THE VISITOR DOESN'T INQUIRE
ABOUT SARAH'S PRESENCE,
WHERE SHE IS.
SHE'S IN THE TENT AND THE LORD
HIMSELF SAYS THAT SHE WILL BEAR
A CHILD AND IT MAKES HER LAUGH.
IT DRIVES THEM JUST OVER THE
EDGE TO THINK THAT THEY, BEING
PAST THE AGE OF CHILDBEARING,
ARE GOING TO BEAR A CHILD
AND HE SAYS WITHIN A YEAR
HE'LL RETURN AND THERE WILL BE
A CHILD FOR THEM.
AND THE LAUGHTER BECOMES
THE NAME OF THIS PROMISED SON
"YITZCHAK," "LAUGHTER."
I THINK HERE IS ONE
OF THE MOST IMPORTANT TAKEAWAYS
FROM THIS SECTION OF THE STORY.
THE WORD COMES, "IS ANYTHING
TOO HARD FOR THE LORD?"
AND I WANT YOU TO HEAR
THAT WORD TODAY.
I WANT YOU TO APPLY THAT
TO YOUR OWN LIFE.
I WANT TO APPLY IT TO MY OWN.
IS ANYTHING TOO HARD
FOR THE LORD?
HE IS THE GOD OF MIRACLES,
HE'S THE GOD OF SECOND CHANCES,
HE'S THE GOD OF THE PROMISE
AND THAT'S WHAT THE WORD IS
THAT COMES TO THEM HERE.
IS ANYTHING TOO HARD
FOR THE LORD?
THAT WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE
WITH MAN IS POSSIBLE WITH GOD.
AND SO AS THE STORY UNFOLDS,
WE REALLY BEGIN TO SEE THAT
WHEN GOD MAKES THE COVENANT,
HE FULFILLS HIS WORD.
THERE'S SUCH A DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN WHO ABRAHAM WAS
BEFORE THE COVENANT CUTTING
AND THE CIRCUMCISION
AND WHO HE IS AFTER.
BEFORE, HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE
THINGS HAPPEN IN THE NATURAL,
WITH NO POSSIBLE GOOD EFFECT.
BUT, AFTERWARDS,
HE BECOMES ONE WHO IS
DEPENDENT ON THE GLORY OF GOD,
THE MIRACLE-WORKING POWER
OF GOD AND THE BLESSING OF GOD.
AND WE SEE THAT UNFOLDING.
I WANT YOU ALSO TO GRAB HOLD OF
THAT TODAY, THAT GOD IS FOR YOU;
THERE IS NOTHING
THAT IS TOO HARD FOR OUR GOD.
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Narrator: THEY HAD
GOOD REASON TO LAUGH.
BOTH ABRAHAM AND SARAH
HAD BEEN INFORMED BY THE LORD
THAT THEY WERE GOING TO
GIVE BIRTH TO A SON,
EVEN IN THEIR LATER YEARS.
BUT THE LORD'S MESSAGE FOR
SODOM WAS ANYTHING BUT GOOD.
( Speaking Hebrew )
Myles: WE'RE IN THE AREA
OF THE DEAD SEA
WHERE SODOM AND GOMORRAH
NO DOUBT WERE EXISTING
AT THE TIME OF ABRAHAM.
YOU KNOW, THE JUDGMENTS OF GOD
ARE REALLY DIFFICULT
TO UNDERSTAND AND WE LIKE
TO THINK OF GOD AS LOVING ONLY
AND THAT HE WOULDN'T JUDGE.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT WHEN
THE JUDGMENTS OF GOD COME,
HE MAKES A PROVISION,
A WAY OF ESCAPE
THAT'S PICTURED IN THIS STORY.
ABRAHAM IS GOING TO BE SEEN NOW
IN HIS ROLE AS AN INTERCESSOR,
VERY IMPORTANT INSTRUCTION
FOR US AND THE NEW TESTAMENT
BELIEVERS, BECAUSE THE ROLE
OF INTERCESSION IS REALLY ABOUT
RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
IN FACT, THE WAY GOD SPEAKS
OF IT IN VERSE 17, HE SAYS,
( Speaking Hebrew )
THE LORD SAID:
THEY ARE SO CLOSE,
THEY ARE SO KNOWN
ONE OF ANOTHER
THAT GOD'S TESTIMONY OF ABRAHAM,
HIS FRIEND, IS,
"I DON'T EVEN HIDE FROM HIM
THAT WHICH I'M DOING."
I WANT TO WALK WITH GOD
IN THAT WAY.
SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING DEVELOP
HERE IS THIS RELATIONSHIP WHERE
WHAT'S UNFOLDING IS THE REALITY
THAT GOD CAN TRUST ABRAHAM
AND ABRAHAM CAN TRUST GOD.
IT'S A GENUINE RELATIONSHIP.
IT REMINDS ME OF JOHN 15
IN THE NEW TESTAMENT WHERE
JESUS SAID TO HIS DISCIPLES:
WHY? WHEN?
"WHEN YOU DO THAT
WHICH I COMMAND YOU."
I WANT TO WALK WITH THE LORD
IN SUCH A WAY
THAT HE CAN CALL ME HIS FRIEND.
WELL, THE ROLE OF INTERCESSION
IS VERY, VERY POWERFUL.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
IT REALLY IS
FOR EVERY SINGLE BELIEVER
IN THE NEW TESTAMENT ERA.
WE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND
THAT WE CAN AFFECT THE WAY
THE WORLD UNFOLDS.
WE CAN AFFECT THE HISTORY
AND THE DESTINY OF PEOPLE
THROUGH OUR PRAYER.
IT'S GOD'S GIFT TO US,
INTERCESSION.
IT'S REALLY A POWER
THAT'S GIVEN TO US BY GOD.
IT'S A WAY THAT HE ESTEEMS
OUR OPINION.
HE INCLUDES US IN THE PROCESS
OF WHAT HE DOES.
AND WE LEARN FROM INTERCESSION,
FROM PRAYER,
THAT HE ACTUALLY HEARS US.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE SEE
WITH ABRAHAM.
ABRAHAM ACTUALLY BEGINS
TO BARGAIN WITH GOD ABOUT THE
FUTURE OF SODOM AND GOMORRAH.
"IF THERE ARE 50 RIGHTEOUS,
WILL YOU SPARE THEM?"
AND HE WORKS HIS WAY DOWN TO 10.
"IF THERE ARE 10 RIGHTEOUS,
WOULD YOU SPARE THEM?"
YOU KNOW, THE RABBIS SAY
THAT THAT'S THE BASIS
OF THE MODERN "TEN-MAN MINION."
THE REASON WHY THERE'S
A TEN-MAN REQUIREMENT IN JUDAISM
FOR A PRAYER MEETING,
IS BECAUSE OF THIS PROCESS
OF THE TEN RIGHTEOUS
THAT ARE BEING LOOKED FOR
BY ABRAHAM AND GOD TOGETHER.
WE KNOW FOR US,
AS BELIEVERS IN YESHUA,
WHEREVER TWO OR MORE
ARE GATHERED IN HIS NAME,
HE'S THERE.
BUT THAT TEN-MAN MINION
IS STILL A TRADITION
IN PRESENT-DAY JUDAISM
BASED ON THIS STORY
FROM SODOM AND GOMORRAH.
THIS IS REALLY A STORY
OF RELATIONSHIP AND WE SEE THIS
OVER AND OVER AGAIN
AS ABRAHAM IS TALKING TO GOD,
GOD IS TALKING TO HIM AND
THEY'RE SPEAKING FACE TO FACE,
FRIEND TO FRIEND.
IT'S LIKE THE INTERCESSORS
IN THE OLD TESTAMENT;
MOSES STANDING IN FOR ISRAEL,
ELIJAH INTERCEDING
FOR THE NATION OF ISRAEL,
AND NOW, FOR YOU AND I,
WE ARE ALL TO STAND IN FOR
OUR FRIENDS, FOR OUR FAMILIES,
AND I WOULD SAY,
FOR THE NATION OF ISRAEL.
I WANT TO CALL ON YOU
TO STAND WITH ME AS WE PRAY
FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM,
AS WE STAND IN, IN INTERCESSION,
FOR THE FUTURE
OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE
AND THE NATION OF ISRAEL.
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YOU KNOW, AS THE STORY
OF ABRAHAM UNFOLDS,
IT'S JUST SO AMAZING THAT WE GET
TO PARTAKE OF HIS WALK OF FAITH
AND REALLY SEE HOW
THE UPS AND DOWNS, EVEN THOUGH
THEY AFFECT MAN AND WOMAN,
GOD ALWAYS COMES THROUGH.
Katharine: ABRAHAM WAS SET APART
SO HE COULD STEP IN,
SO HE COULD BE THAT INTERCESSOR
TO INTERCEDE FOR LOT
AND HIS FAMILY.
AND GOD RESCUED LOT
AND HIS FAMILY.
THOSE THAT WERE WILLING.
Myles: RIGHT, AND GOD CALLS HIM
A PATRIARCH, CALLS HIM A PROPHET
AND THEN CALLS ABRAHAM
"MY FRIEND."
Katharine: RIGHT.
Myles: AND HE SPEAKS TO HIM
ABOUT HOW HE'S GOING TO
TELL HIM BEFOREHAND
THESE THINGS THAT ARE COMING
AND HE REALLY DOES TRY
TO RESCUE LOT AND HIS FAMILY.
HE MAKES THE PROVISION,
AND WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE
HOW THAT PLAYS OUT,
BUT GOD ALWAYS MAKES A PROVISION
AND WE REALLY SEE THAT
IN THESE VERSES, IN THIS DRAMA.
SO LET'S RETURN TO OUR STORY
AS WE SEE LOT AND HIS FAMILY
DEALING WITH THE JUDGMENT
COMING ON SODOM.
Narrator: AND THERE CAME
TWO ANGELS TO SODOM AND SAID
UNTO LOT, "HAST THOU FAMILY
HERE IN SODOM?
IF SO, TAKE THEM FROM THE CITY,
FOR THE LORD HAS SENT US
TO DESTROY IT."
AND LOT WARNED HIS SONS-IN-LAW
OF THE PENDING DESTRUCTION
BUT THEY WOULDN'T LISTEN.
( Speaking Hebrew )
Myles: GOD HAS WARNED
ABRAHAM AND LOT
ABOUT THE IMPENDING JUDGMENT.
YOU KNOW, HE WARNED NOAH.
HE WARNS US
ABOUT JUDGMENT TO COME.
I THINK ABOUT NEW TESTAMENT
BELIEVERS, THAT WE'VE BEEN
WARNED, THAT WE NEED TO BE
LOOKING FOR THAT BLESSED HOPE
BECAUSE WHEN JUDGMENT
COMES IN THE EARTH, WE COULD
BE TAKEN UP BY RAPTURE,
BEFORE THE JUDGMENT COMES.
Katharine: AND GOD WORKS
WITH ABRAHAM
AS HE DOES WITH A FRIEND.
IN THE INTERCESSION,
THE ANGEL ACTUALLY WENT
AND GRABBED HOLD OF LOT
AND HIS WIFE.
THERE WAS EVEN A HALTING
AT THAT MOMENT,
AND IT IS THE ANGEL OF THE LORD
THAT CAUSED THEM
TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND LOT'S WIFE MUST HAVE HAD
SOMETHING IN HER HEART THAT
WAS NOT ABLE TO RISE UP AND GO,
LIKE SARAH WAS WITH ABRAHAM,
BECAUSE SHE GOT PARTWAY OUT
AND EVEN THOUGH DESTRUCTION
WAS COMING, SHE LOOKED BACK.
Myles: SHE DID, AND THERE WAS
A WARNING NOT TO LOOK BACK.
PEOPLE QUESTION THE SCIENCE
OF THIS THING, BUT I REMEMBER
GROWING UP AND SEEING
A NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC SPREAD
ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION OF POMPEII
IN ITALY IN 79 A.D.
AND IN AN INSTANT,
PEOPLE WERE FROZEN IN THE ACT
OF LIVING THEIR LIVES,
JUST AS IF FIRE AND BRIMSTONE
HAD COME FROM HEAVEN.
IT CAME OUT OF A VOLCANO
AND THEY WERE FROZEN IN TIME.
SO I BELIEVE IT'S VERY REAL,
SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN.
IN FACT, JOSEPHUS SAYS THAT
HE HAD SEEN THE PILLAR OF SALT
THAT WAS ALLEGEDLY LOT'S WIFE
SOMEWHERE IN THIS AREA.
SO IT'S SCIENTIFICALLY POSSIBLE
THAT THIS HAPPENED THE WAY
THE SCRIPTURE TELLS IT AND
WE DON'T NEED TO QUESTION THAT,
BECAUSE IT REALLY IS THE WAY
GOD WAS BRINGING JUDGMENT
IN THAT DAY.
REALLY THE QUESTION FOR US IS
WHAT ARE WE LOOKING BACK TO?
LET'S NOT LOOK BACK.
LET'S GO FORWARD WITH THE LORD.
Katharine: AND MAKE OUR PURSUIT
OF HIM WHO'S PURSUING US.
EVEN THOUGH LOT HAD PITCHED
HIS TENT WHERE THE WORLD WAS,
WHERE DESTRUCTION WAS,
YOU SEE, THE MERCY OF GOD,
INTERVENING IN HIS LIFE
AND HIS FAMILY'S LIVES.
LOT REALLY COOPERATED.
THE SCRIPTURE EVEN SAYS
IN PETER, "RIGHTEOUS LOT."
I DON'T HOW THAT WORKS OUT,
BUT GOD DOES,
AND HE'S SO MERCIFUL.
Myles: YES, IT'S INTERESTING,
BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS,
"IN JUDGMENT, REMEMBER MERCY"
AND I THINK WE SEE THAT
WITH PETER'S TESTIMONY
ABOUT RIGHTEOUS LOT,
THAT GOD IS MERCIFUL
IN THE MIDST OF JUDGMENT.
HE MAKES A WAY OF ESCAPE FOR US
AS HE DID FOR THEM.
AMOS 3:7 SAYS, THAT HE
WILL NOT HIDE WHAT HE IS DOING
FROM HIS SERVANTS, THE PROPHETS,
AND WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT
THAT ABRAHAM WAS NOT ONLY
A PATRIARCH BUT HE WAS ALSO
A PROPHET AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING
HERE IN THIS INCREDIBLE STORY
OF JUDGMENT, ESCAPE
AND THE AMAZING DRAMA OF THIS
IS THAT ALWAYS GOD IS SOVEREIGN.
HE'S ALWAYS WANTING THE BEST
FOR YOU AND FOR ME
AND HE'S ALWAYS WANTING
TO MAKE A WAY FOR US
THROUGH THE TIMES OF JUDGMENT.
Katharine: MYLES, YOUR TEACHING
ABOUT JUDGMENT AND HOW SCIENCE
HAS ESTABLISHED THAT
IT WAS ACTUALLY A REALITY.
Myles: POSSIBLY,
THE WAY IT HAPPENED IN ITALY
AND THEN WE SEE IT
IN THE SCRIPTURES.
AND YET WE SEE GOD'S MERCY
ALWAYS REACHING FOR MANKIND
AND THAT'S REALLY THE THEME
OF THAT PART OF THE STORY,
ISN'T IT, THAT GOD
WAS MAKING A WAY WHERE
THERE SEEMED TO BE NO WAY.
I THINK ABOUT TODAY
IN TODAY'S TIMES, WE HAVE SUCH
MISINFORMATION COMING TO YOU
THROUGH THE AIRWAVES
AND OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST
AND ONE OF OUR GREAT FRIENDS
IN THE MINISTRY
IS AVI AND RACHEL LIPKIN.
RACHAEL WAS BORN IN EGYPT.
SHE IS AN EGYPTIAN JEW AND SHE'S
ABLE TO INTERPRET THE ARAB MEDIA
FOR THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
AND FOR YOU AND ME, SO WE GET
TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING SAID
IN ARABIC AMONGST THEMSELVES,
VERSUS WHAT'S BEING SAID FOR
OUR CONSUMPTION IN THE WEST,
IN ENGLISH.
KATHARINE WAS ABLE TO
INTERVIEW HER, AND SO LET'S GO
TO KATHARINE'S INTERVIEW
WITH RACHEL LIPKIN.
Katharine: RACHEL,
I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW ARABIC,
SO YOU ARE ABLE TO DECIPHER
WHAT THE NEWS IS NOT PICKING UP.
TELL US A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE HEARING.
Rachel: OKAY, I AM WORKING
FOR THE RADIO AUTHORITY
ALREADY MORE THAN 35 YEARS
AND MY FIRST LANGUAGE IS ARABIC,
LIKE, I KNOW ENGLISH,
I KNOW FRENCH AND
I CAN UNDERSTAND SPANISH TOO.
FOR ME, I WENT THROUGH SO MUCH
IN THE AUTHORITY RADIO,
AND, IN THE END,
I GOT TO A POINT THAT
THE MOST IMPORTANT WORK
THAT I COULD DO IS TO LISTEN
TO THE ARABS' COMMUNICATION,
LIKE RADIO, TV, CABLE,
EVERYTHING, AND HEAR ABOUT
WHAT THEY SAY, REALLY,
WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.
I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING
TO THE WEST ARE NOT THE SAME
WHAT THEY ARE TALKING
TO THE ARAB COUNTRIES.
THIS ACTIVITY
OF THE MUSLIM BROTHERS
ARE ALREADY A LONG TIME AGO,
AND WE KNEW THAT THIS IS NOT
AN ISSUE OF A VERY SHORT TIME.
Katharine: YOU WERE IN EGYPT.
YOUR FATHER WAS THROWN IN JAIL
FOR THE SIMPLE FACT
OF BEING A JEW.
Rachel: EXACTLY; NOT ONLY HIM,
BUT ALL THE JEWS WERE CAPTURED,
MEN AND BOYS, PUT IN PRISONS.
Katharine: AND NOW IT'S
ACCELERATING EVEN BEYOND SUCH,
SINCE THE SPRING
OF THE UPRISING.
Rachel: UPRISING, YES, BUT YOU
HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS,
LIKE, THE FIRST STEP IS TO
TAKE CARE OF THE JEWS IN EGYPT,
AND NOW THEY ARE TAKING CARE OF
THE CHRISTIANS.
YOU KNOW THAT THE LAST
FEW MONTHS AND YEAR,
THEY ARE AGAINST THE CHRISTIANS
VERY OPENLY AND NOBODY,
NOBODY CAN TAKE CARE OF THEM.
WE ARE SEEING ALREADY A LOT
OF CHRISTIANS WHO ARE FLEEING
OUTSIDE OF EGYPT.
SOME OF THEM ARE BEING KILLED
AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ALSO
THAT THE CHRISTIANS
ARE THE MAIN PEOPLE OF EGYPT
AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF WEALTH,
THEY HAVE A LOT OF MONEY
AND THE MUSLIMS, TO TAKE CARE
OF THESE CHRISTIANS,
THEY TAKE THE MONEY,
THEY TAKE THE GIRLS,
THEY GET MARRIED TO THEM
AND THEY POOL THEM TO BE
A BABY FACTORY FOR THE MUSLIMS
AND, LIKE THIS,
THE CHRISTIAN ETHNIC GROUPS
WHO ARE IN EGYPT
ARE COMPLETELY DESTROYED.
Katharine: WHAT CAN AMERICANS DO
TO BE MORE EDUCATED IN THIS?
Rachel: IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
VERY DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE
WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND
WHAT IS THE MUSLIM RELIGION.
AND IF YOU GO TO THE KORAN AND
YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE
TALKING ABOUT, THEY DON'T TAKE
NO CHRISTIANS AND NO JEWS,
LIKE, A FRIEND.
THE MORE YOU ARE
AN EXTREMIST ISLAMIC PERSON,
YOU GO THROUGH THE BOOK.
AND IF YOU GO THROUGH THE BOOK,
YOU HAVE TO GET RID OF
THE JEWISH AND THE CHRISTIANS.
AND LIKE THIS,
THEY ARE DOING, THEY ARE DOING
WHAT THE KORAN IS SAYING.
THERE IS SOME MUSLIMS WHO ARE
NOT EXACTLY WITH THE SAME WAY
WITH THIS ISLAMIC, BUT WHEN
YOU SEE THAT EGYPT, FOR EXAMPLE,
NOW HAS 75% EXTREMIST PEOPLE
ARE IN THE GOVERNMENT,
THEN YOU CAN SEE
WHERE EGYPT IS GOING.
Myles: THAT IS SUCH
AN INCREDIBLE INTERVIEW
THAT KATHARINE DID WITH RACHEL.
THE TIMES THAT WE'RE LIVING IN
REQUIRE THIS KIND OF INSIGHT
INTO WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND
THE SCENES IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
WE CAN'T REALLY GET OUR NEWS
FROM THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA.
THE TIME WE FILMED THAT,
THERE HADN'T YET BEEN
THE ELECTION IN EGYPT
AND SHE WAS VERY PRESCIENT
IN THE WAY THAT SHE SPOKE ABOUT
WHAT WAS COMING AND WHAT'S
COME TO PASS, WHICH HAS BEEN
AN ELECTION THAT'S MADE
THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD
RISE TO THE SURFACE.
SO WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE
AN ARAB SPRING, AS I SAID,
HAS BECOME AN ARAB SPRINGBOARD
FOR THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD.
SO THERE'S A LOT OF CONTROVERSY
TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW ABOUT
WHAT IT WILL CONTINUE TO MEAN,
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN MANY VOICES
IN ISRAEL AND AMONG MESSIANICS
AND OTHERS IN THE WORLD SAYING
TO BE CAREFUL AND BE AWARE THAT
THIS MAY NOT BE WHAT
IT APPEARS TO BE.
THE WESTERN MEDIA ARE SPEAKING
IN GLOWING TERMS ABOUT
AN ARAB DEMOCRACY,
BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT WAY.
IT LOOKS AS THOUGH WE NEED
TO CONTINUE TO KEEP OUR EYES
ON THE LORD, DOESN'T IT?
Katharine: YEAH, HEBREWS
TALKS ABOUT KEEPING YOUR EYES
ON THE LORD, "LOOKING UNTO JESUS
THE AUTHOR AND THE FINISHER
OF OUR FAITH."
AND SOMEHOW ABRAHAM IS MAKING IT
INTO THE NEW COVENANT AND I WANT
TO BRING THIS OUT, BECAUSE
EVEN IN THE MIDST OF THE MOST
WICKED CIRCUMSTANCE, THE LORD
WAS ABLE TO DELIVER LOT.
IT SAYS IN II PETER 2:7 THAT GOD
DELIVERED RIGHTEOUS LOT OUT OF
THE REALLY HARD CIRCUMSTANCE.
SO HE COULD TAKE OUR LIVES
AND DELIVER US IN
THE MOST DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCE,
MYLES, THAT WE ARE LIVING IN,
REALLY, TIMES
THAT ARE PERPLEXING.
Myles: THEY ARE.
THERE'S PERPLEXITY OF NATIONS.
SEEMS TO BE NO WAY OUT
FOR MANY PEOPLE.
THERE'S PRESSURE THAT'S COMING
ECONOMICALLY AND EMOTIONALLY,
SPIRITUALLY
AND PEOPLE ARE LOOKING
HERE AND THERE FOR ANSWERS
AND FOR SOLUTIONS AND WE KNOW
THAT THE WRITER OF HEBREWS WAS,
IN FACT, CORRECT:
"LOOKING UNTO JESUS, THE AUTHOR
AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH."
THAT IS WHERE OUR SOLUTION
COMES FROM.
Katharine: HEBREWS
IS THE BOOK THAT WE GO TO.
ANY OF THE QUESTIONS
THAT WE HAVE, OR IN GENESIS,
WE GO TO THE BOOK OF HEBREWS
AND HE ANSWERS THEM ALL, RIGHT?
Myles: RIGHT,
THEY'RE INTERPRETED THROUGH
A JEWISH PERSPECTIVE AND
SO WE GET TO SEE THE CONFLUENCE
BETWEEN THE OLD TESTAMENT
AND THE NEW TESTAMENT BECAUSE
THEY'RE PERFECTLY CONNECTED.
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