Columbus on the Record November 9, 2012


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>>> PRESIDENT OBAMA KEEPS OHIO
BLUE.
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THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY
>>> THIS IS "COLUMBUS ON THE
RECORD."
JOINING MIKE THIS WEEK, REGINALD
FIELDS, COLUMBUS BUREAU CHIEF
FOR "THE CLEVELAND PLAIN
DEALER," KAREN KASLER, TERRY
CASEY, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST AND
SAM GRESHAM, COMMON CAUSE OHIO.
>> WELL, WE WERE RIGHT.
THE POLLS WERE RIGHT.
THE PUNDITS WERE RIGHT.
AND THE CAMPAIGNS WERE RIGHT.
OHIO WAS A NAIL-BITER, AND OHIO
HELPED GIVE THE PRESIDENCY TO
THE WINNER.
THE WINNER, OF COURSE, OF OHIO
WAS PRESIDENT OBAMA WHO CAPTURED
OHIO'S 18 ELECTORAL VOTES AS
WELL AS THE ELECTORAL VOTES OF
JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER ONE OF
THE SO-CALLED BATTLEGROUND
STATES TO WIN RE-ELECTION.
OBAMA WON THE OHIO -- WON OHIO
IN THE PRESIDENCY DESPITE A HIGH
UNEMPLOYMENT RATE AND DESPITE
GREAT UNREST AMONG AMERICANS AND
DESPITE A FIERCE CAMPAIGN
AGAINST HIM.
THE PRESIDENT BEAT MITT ROMNEY
IN OHIO BY ABOUT 101,000 VOTES,
OR 2 PERCENTAGE POINTS.
A MUCH SMALLER MARGIN THAN 2008
AND LIKE IN 2008, THE PROMISE --
THE PRESIDENT PROMISED TO HEAL
THE NATION.
>> TONIGHT, YOU VOTED FOR
ACTION.
MY POLITICS AS USUAL.
YOU WOULD LIKE US TO FOCUS ON
YOUR JOBS, NOT OURS.
AND IN THE COMING WEEKS AND
MONTHS, I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO
REACHING OUT AND WORKING WITH
LEADERS OF BOTH PARTIES.
TO MEET THE CHALLENGES WE CAN
ONLY SOLVE TOGETHER.
REDUCING OUR DEFICIT, REFORMING
OUR TAX CODE, FIXING OUR
IMMIGRATION SYSTEM, FREEING
OURSELVES FROM FOREIGN OIL.
WE'VE GOT MORE WORK TO DO.
>> FOR MITT ROMNEY AND HIS
SUPPORTERS, IT WAS A CRUSHING
DEFEAT.
HE CAME EXTREMELY CLOSE TO
FULFILLING HIS AND HIS FATHER'S
DREAM OF WINNING THE PRESIDENCY.
BUT HE CAME UP JUST SHORT.
HE, TOO, TRIED TO BRING THE
COUNTRY TOGETHER.
>> THE NATION AS YOU KNOW IS AT
A CRITICAL POINT.
AT A TIME LIKE THIS, WE CAN'T
RISK PARTISAN BICKERING AND
POLITICAL POSTURING.
OUR LEADERS HAVE TO REACH ACROSS
THE AISLE TO DO THE PEOPLE'S
WORK.
>> REGGIE, THE POLLS WERE RIGHT,
TWO-POINT MARGIN FOR THE
PRESIDENT.
WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE, DO YOU
BELIEVE?
>> WELL, I THINK A COUPLE OF
THINGS.
ONE, IT WAS INTERESTING TO ME
WATCHING THIS RACE, I THOUGHT
THAT MITT ROMNEY PRETTY MUCH RAN
A SINGLE-MESSAGE CAMPAIGN ACROSS
THE COUNTRY, NOT JUST HERE IN
OHIO AND CAMPAIGNED ON THE
ECONOMY AND JOBS WHEREAS BARACK
OBAMA SORT OF TAILORED HIS
MESSAGE TO DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW,
SWING STATES.
IN OHIO, FOR EXAMPLE, HE TALKED
A LOT ABOUT THE AUTO BAILOUT TO
WIN THOSE VOTERS, WHEREAS WHEN
HE WENT TO FLORIDA, HE WOULD
TALK ABOUT THE RYAN PLAN BECAUSE
IT WENT TO MEDICAID AND SENIOR
CITIZENS.
I THINK WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT
MAYBE THAT WAS PART OF IT.
THEN THE OTHER PART, I THINK, IS
MERELY THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
STILL HASN'T, YOU KNOW, DECIDED
THAT IT REALLY WANTS TO
DIVERSIFY ITSELF.
THAT'S WHAT YOU FOUND.
OBAMA RECEIVED FEWER VOTES FROM
WHITE VOTERS, BUT THE NUMBER OF
PEOPLE WHO WERE VOTING OF COLOR
OR OF DIFFERENT GROUPS SUCH AS
GAY AND LESBIAN KIND OF WENT UP.
>> AND YOU'VE GOT TO GIVE CREDIT
TO AXELROD AND COMPANY ON
MESSAGE, NOT ONLY DID THEY PICK
THE RIGHT MESSAGE, BUT THEY
STAYED ON IT OVER AND OVER AND
OVER AGAIN.
THE ROMNEY PEOPLE AT TIMES -- I
MEAN, A LOT OF THE CAMPAIGN IN
THE FALL WAS ABOUT CHINA TRADE,
WHICH REALLY DIDN'T WORK AND
DRIVE THE DIFFERENCE.
>> HOW MANY SLOGANS DID MITT
ROMNEY HAVE, BELIEVE IN AMERICA,
WE DID THIS, IT WAS A LAUNDRY
LIST OF SLOGANS WHERE PRESIDENT
OBAMA'S WAS ONE, FORWARD, AND
THEY STUCK WITH IT.
AS GOOFY AS IT WAS, THEY STUCK
WITH IT.
>> I THINK THE MOST RESOUNDING
THING FOR ME WHEN I HEARD THERE
WERE 3 MILLION WHITE PEOPLE
MISSING FROM THE POLLS FROM THE
PREVIOUS PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE.
AND I THINK I SAID ON THIS
PROGRAM WILL RELIGION TRUMP
POLITICS?
AND I THINK THE RELIGION TRUMPED
POLITICS WITH A LOT OF THOSE
PEOPLE.
I ALSO THINK THE GROUND GAME.
NOT ONLY HERE BUT NATIONALLY.
AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY SOMETHING
ELSE.
THOSE PEOPLE WERE SMART, AND
THEY DID A LOT OF THINGS THAT
PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW, THEY WERE
CRUNCHING PEOPLE BEHIND THE
BOARD.
AND I ALSO THINK PEOPLE JOKE
ABOUT THIS, THE REPUBLICAN
PARTY, DEMOGRAPHICS, I'VE SAID
THIS ON THE SHOW, TOO, THAT
DEMOGRAPHICS WERE GOING IN A
DIFFERENT WAY THAN THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY, AND I THINK
THAT MANIFESTED ITSELF TUESDAY
NIGHT.
>> HERE'S WHAT THE STATE OF OHIO
LOOKED LIKE.
AS YOU'LL SEE, THE PRESIDENT
DOMINATED IN THE CITY AS
DEMOCRATS USUALLY DO IN THE
NORTH, IN THE INDUSTRIAL
NORTHEAST, COLUMBUS, ATHENS, THE
REST OF THAT MAP, THE RED IS
MITT ROMNEY'S WINNING COUNTIES.
THE PINK AND THE LIGHT BLUE ARE
THE COUNTIES WHERE THE MARGIN OF
VICTORY WAS ONLY TEN PAINTS.
BUT KAREN, IT WAS NORTHERN OHIO,
THE AUTO BAILOUT, WHICH REALLY
WAS KEY FOR THE PRESIDENT.
>> AND ALSO THE BIG CITIES.
HE WON THE SIX LARGEST COUNTIES
IN OHIO, AND HE WON TWO-THIRDS
OF THE VOTE IN THOSE CITIES.
THAT'S ENOUGH.
I MEAN, THE MAP, WHEN YOU JUST
LOOK AT THE MAP, IT LOOKS LIKE
WHY DIDN'T ROMNEY WIN?
THERE ARE ENOUGH VOTERS IN THOSE
CITIES, AND THAT WAS THE TARGET.
THAT WAS THE PLAN ALL ALONG.
I'VE HEARD IT SAID SEVERAL TIMES
THAT THE OBAMA PEOPLE HAD A TEAM
IN PLACE SINCE HE WON IN 2008.
IT'S A PROMINENT CAMPAIGN IN A
WAY.
AND THEY CERTAINLY WORKED IT.
THEY TARGETED THEIR VOTERS VERY
CAREFULLY, AND YOU SAW THE
RESULTS.
>> EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT TURNOUT.
TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.
WE COMPARED 2004, THE BUSH/KERRY
RACE, TO 2012.
LOOK AT THIS DROP-OFF.
COMPARING JOHN KERRY IN '0 HAD
TO PRESIDENT OBAMA IN 2008,
OBAMA IS DOWN 69,000 VOTES.
NOW, THAT'S NOT COUNTING
PROVISIONAL SO HE COULD COME UP
A BIT.
TAKE A LOOK AT ROMNEY VERSUS
GEORGE W. BUSH.
MITT ROMNEY, 288,000 FEWER VOTES
THAN GEORGE BUSH DID IN 2004.
TERRY CASEY, THAT'S THE
DIFFERENCE.
>> WELL, PART OF IT WAS THE BUSH
PEOPLE IN '04 LED BY KARL ROVE,
WE HAD A MUCH BETTER GROUND
GAME, AND OF COURSE KERRY DIDN'T
HAVE ANYWHERE NEAR AS GOOD A
GROUND GAME AS THE BERTH PEOPLE.
SO GROUND GAME'S IMPORTANT.
PART OF IT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT
SOUTHWESTERN OHIO WHICH WAS KEY
TO ROMNEY BEING ABLE TO WIN IN
THE THREE KEY RING COUNTIES OF
CLAREMONT, WARREN AND BUTLER
COUNTY, ROMNEY WON 2-1, WHICH IS
GOOD, BUT KASICH WON THERE
2.5-1.
ROMNEY NEEDED TO REALLY ROLL UP
THE MARGINS THERE.
AND YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THAT
SOUTHEASTERN OHIO COAL COUNTRY,
GUN COUNTRY, ROMNEY WON BUT NOT
BY THE MARGINS HE NEEDED.
>> OBAMA WON SOME OF THOSE
COUNTIES FOUR YEARS AGO.
>> RIGHT.
LAKE COUNTY IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT FAIRFIELD,
SUMMON, STARK, WHAT McCAIN DID
VERSUS WHAT ROMNEY DID, WAS MUCH
BETTER.
McCAIN DID BETTER IN CUYAHOGA
COUNTY THAN ROMNEY DID IN
CUYAHOGA COUNTY.
SO I THINK IT'S PEOPLE
GRAVITATING.
THE ONE THING I DO WANT TO PUT
TO REST, IT WASN'T THE ECONOMY.
IT WAS LEADERSHIP AND TRUST.
IT WAS NEVER THE ECONOMY.
IF IT WAS THE ECONOMY, THIS MAN
WOULD HAVE BEEN TEN POINTS DOWN.
IT WAS LEADERSHIP AND TRUST.
>> I ALSO THINK HE RAN MORE OF A
POPULIST SORT OF CAMPAIGN AS
WELL WHERE HE REALLY TRIED TO
APPEAL TO EVERYONE IN TERMS OF
IF YOU ARE DOWNED WITHOUT A JOB
OR SOMETHING IS GOING WRONG, HE
KIND OF TRIED TO REACH OUT TO
EVERYONE WHEREAS MITT ROMNEY HAD
A FEW GAFFES ALONG THE WAY, THE
47% KIND OF HIT HIM, AND ALSO HE
WAS COMPLETELY PAINTED AS A VERY
RICH PERSON WHO WAS OUT OF
TOUCH.
I THINK THAT ALSO HURT MITT
ROMNEY.
ONE OTHER POINT, BACK IN 2000, I
BELIEVE THAT GEORGE BUSH GOT
ABOUT 40% OF THE LATINO VOTE
BACK THEN.
AND MITT ROMNEY PROBABLY ONLY
GOT WHAT I READ WAS MAYBE ABOUT
20%.
SO AGAIN, THE DEMOGRAPHICS WERE
WORKING AGAINST HIM EVEN THOUGH
OHIO WAS PROBABLY NOT -- DOESN'T
HAVE AS MANY LATINOS.
>> HOW ABOUT ROB PORTMAN?
WOULD HE HAVE MADE THE
DIFFERENCE, HAD MITT ROMNEY
SELECTED HIM AS HIS VICE
PRESIDENT?
>> ROB PORTMAN WOULD HAVE HELPED
HIM GET A FEW MORE VOTES IN
SOUTHWESTERN OHIO, BUT I CAN'T
TELL YOU NECESSARILY IT WOULD
HAVE WON OHIO.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, ROB
PORTMAN WOULDN'T HAVE MADE A LOT
OF DIFFERENCE IN VIRGINIA,
PENNSYLVANIA, FLORIDA, WISCONSIN
ALSO WHERE ROMNEY NEEDED TO DO
WELL.
>> WERE REPUBLICANS NOT HEAD
OVER HEELS IN LOVE WITH MITT
ROMNEY IN OHIO?
>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT TURNOUT,
TURNOUT WAS DOWN OVER 2008.
SO THAT SUGGESTS THAT MAYBE
PEOPLE WEREN'T AS ENTHUSIASTIC
TO GO OUT TO VOTE.
WE HAD, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE
MORE REGISTERED VOTERS IN 2008,
BUT STILL THE TURNOUT NUMBERS.
THE PERCENTAGES ARE DOWN.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU
LOOK BACK ON THE MARCH PRIMARY,
YOU HAD A LOT OF FOLKS THAT WENT
FOR RICK SANTORUM.
THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT ROMNEY
HAD TO WIN.
AND SO MAYBE THERE WASN'T AS
MUCH EXCITEMENT THERE AND, YOU
KNOW, YOU HAVE TO LOOK DOWN
THROUGH THE FINAL RESULTS.
>> YEAH, BUT WHAT WAS ALSO
FASCINATING ABOUT THIS RACE IS
UNLIKE IN 2008, BOTH SIDES
REALLY THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE
GOING TO WIN.
AND I THINK THE REPUBLICANS WERE
GENUINELY JUST SHOCKED THAT MITT
ROMNEY DID NOT WIN.
AND THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE
IN THESE RACE -- YOU KNOW, IN
THESE RACES.
>> AND THERE WAS A REAL
NARRATIVE GOING INTO THIS THAT
SAID THE POLLS WERE WRONG AND
THAT ROMNEY WAS GOING TO WIN.
I THINK IT SET UP A LOT OF
REPUBLICANS FOR A VERY, VERY BAD
ELECTION NIGHT AND DAY BECAUSE
NOT ONLY DID THEIR CANDIDATE
LOSE BUT THEY WERE EXPECTING THE
POLL NUMBERS TO BE WRONG.
BETTER IN McCAIN/KERRY COUNTIES
AND LOWER IN OBAMA/KERRY
COUNTIES, AND I THINK A LOT OF
PEOPLE WERE VERY DISAPPOINTED.
>> THE NEXT RACE ON THE TICKET,
SHERROD BROWN WON A SECOND TERM
AS U.S. SENATOR DESPITE BEING
HAMMERED BY TENS OF MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS WORTH OF NEGATIVE ADS.
SHERROD BROWN SPENT A FEW
MILLION RUNNING NEGATIVE ADS
HIMSELF.
FIVE PERCENTAGE POINTS.
KAREN, THE BIG MONEY KEPT IT
CLOSE.
THE BIG OUTSIDE MONEY KEPT IT
CLOSE, BUT IT DIDN'T SECURE A
WIN FOR JOSH MENDEZ.
>> NO.
AND WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN THROUGH
THE BALLOT, THE MOST VOTES GO
INTO THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE, AND
THEN THE SENATE RACE IS RIGHT
BEHIND IT.
BROWN HAD, LIKE, 50,000 FEWER
VOTES THAN OBAMA.
MANDEL HAD, LIKE, 280,000 FEWER
VOTES THAN ROMNEY.
SO THAT SUGGESTS THERE MIGHT
HAVE BEEN SOME TICKET SPLITTING
GOING ON HERE.
AND I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT THERE
WERE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT WERE
REALLY EXCITED ABOUT MANDEL AND,
YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE WERE NOT
EXCITED ABOUT ROMNEY, THEY WERE
PROBABLY LESS EXCITED ABOUT
MANDEL AND, YOU KNOW, A NEGATIVE
RACE REALLY DOES HURT A LOT OF
CANDIDATES.
>> GIVE CREDIT TO SHERROD BROWN,
HE'S AN INCREDIBLY HARD
CAMPAIGNER.
ON ELECTION NIGHT ON ANOTHER
CHANNEL, I'LL CLEAN IT UP HERE,
BUT BASICALLY LIKE A HOWARD
METZENBAUM, SHERROD BROWN IS
RELENTLESS, AND HE HAD KIND OF
LIBERAL AND DIFFERENT THAN WHAT
SOME PEOPLE LIKE, BUT YOU KIND
OF LIKE SOMEBODY WHO'S YOUR
S.O.B. IN ORDER TO FIGHT AND BE
TOUGH FOR THE STATE, AND SHERROD
IS RELENTLESS AS A CANDIDATE AND
AS A CAMPAIGNER.
>> THE QUANDARY HERE IN THE
ANALYSIS OF THIS RACE IS
CITIZENS UNITED.
DOES THAT MEAN UNLIMITED MONEY
MEANS NOTHING ANYMORE?
BECAUSE THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE
WHERE A POOR CANDIDATE WASN'T
GOING TO MAKE UP FOR THE AMOUNT
OF MONEY THAT THEY PUMP IN.
KARL ROVE HAS EGG ON HIS FACE.
>> IN 9 OF 10 RACES HE PUT MONEY
IN.
>> JOSH MANDEL WAS ONE OF THE
BETTER REPUBLICAN SENATE
CANDIDATES.
>> BASICALLY, HE ACTUALLY WAS
THE BEST OF THEM WITHIN FIVE
POINTS.
AND ESPECIALLY GIVEN --
>> I MEAN, TOMMY THOMPSON WAS A
STRONGER CANDIDATE THAN MANDEL.
>> THOMPSON HAD NAME I.D. AS
GOVERNOR FOR ALL THOSE YEARS.
>> AND HE WORKED IN THE CABINET.
THE QUESTION THAT WE BACK OUT OF
THIS, MONEY DOESN'T MAKE A
DIFFERENCE ANYMORE, BUT ISSUE
TWO, IT MADE A DIFFERENCE.
>> WE'LL GET TO THAT.
>> JOSH MANDEL, PEOPLE MIGHT
SAY, WELL, DOES HE HAVE A
FUTURE?
I WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE IN 1988,
GEORGE VOINOVICH MADE A MAJOR
MISTAKE IN AN ATTACK ON
METZENBAUM, BUT HE CAME BACK AND
WON THE TOP JOB GOVERNOR IN
1990.
SO PART OF IT IS AS A CANDIDATE,
AND CANDIDATES ON BOTH SIDES
MAKE MISTAKES.
DO YOU LEARN FROM THEM?
WHAT DO YOU LEARN?
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS FROM
THERE?
>> HE'S YOUNG ENOUGH, HE
ABSOLUTELY HAS A FUTURE IN
POLITICS IF THAT'S WHERE HE
WANTS TO STAY.
I HOPE HE'S LEARNED FROM THIS
RACE.
I THOUGHT HE RAN A TERRIBLE
RACE.
I MEAN, HE PRETTY MUCH SHUT OUT
THE MEDIA EARLY ON, AND HE NEVER
DID REALLY COME AROUND AND WARM
UP TO THE MEDIA, NEVER REALLY
TOLD VOTERS WHY THEY SHOULD VOTE
FOR HIM OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW,
JUST RUNNING A NEGATIVE CAMPAIGN
AGAINST SHERROD BROWN AND
SHERROD BROWN, LIKEWISE, DID THE
SAME THING.
BUT ALSO, I JUST THINK THAT JOSH
MANDEL, HE WENT INTO THIS AS A
PRETTY CLEAN-CUT MARINE, AND HE
CAME OUT OF IT WITH PEOPLE
COMPLETELY NOT TRUSTING HIM.
TO THE POINT WHERE EVEN DURING
TWO DEBATES, AT LEAST TWO OF THE
DEBATES, FLAT OUT CALLED SHERROD
BROWN A LIAR.
I MEAN, WE'RE JUST NOT USED TO
HEARING THAT.
WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MEDIA, THIS
ONE CANDIDATE TO CALL ANOTHER ON
NATIONAL OR STATEWIDE TELEVISION
IS FLAT OUT CALLING HIM A LIAR.
>> DID HE GO TOO BIG TOO SOON?
>> IN ALL HONESTY, HE DIDN'T
WANT THIS RACE THAT SOON, BUT
THEY KNEW SHERROD WAS VULNERABLE
BECAUSE OF HIS LIBERAL RECORD IN
OHIO, AND THEY HAD TO HAVE A
CANDIDATE -- AND MARY TAYLOR AND
JOHN HUSTON WERE NOT AVAILABLE,
AND YOU HAD THE CANDIDATE.
>> IS IT POSSIBLE THAT HE WAS
THE CANDIDATE BECAUSE THERE WAS
A THOUGHT THAT OBAMA WAS GOING
TO WIN, AND SO WHOEVER WAS GOING
TO RUN AGAINST SHERROD BROWN WAS
GOING TO LOSE?
IS THAT A POSSIBILITY?
>> I THINK THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD
A CHANCE BECAUSE REMEMBER,
COMING OFF OF THE 2010 ELECTION,
THIS WAS A FEELING OF A GREAT
VULNERABILITY THE PRESIDENT HAD,
WHICH HE DID, BUT THE REALITY
IS, IT ISN'T YES OR NO ON THE
INCUMBENT.
IT'S CANDIDATE "A" VERSUS "B."
>> THEY CAME OUT OF THE CHAMBER
BY THEMSELVES AND ARE WE GOING
TO GET THEM A LITTLE GRAVITY
TRYING TO GET PEOPLE UNDER THAT
TENT?
>> WE'LL GET TO THAT BUT I HAVE
TO TALK ABOUT REDISTRICTING.
STATE LAWMAKERS IN OHIO STILL
GET TO PICK THEIR OWN VOTERS.
AN ATTEMPT TO TAKE THE
LEGISLATIVE REDISTRICTING
PROCESS AWAY FROM LAWMAKERS AND
GIVE IT TO A COMMISSION, IT
FAILED.
IT WASN'T EVEN CLOSE.
ISSUE TWO BACKED BY DEMOCRATS
AND LABOR UNIONS WAS SOUNDLY
REJECTED BY THE NO SIDE WHICH
WAS BACKED BY REPUBLICANS AND
BUSINESS GROUPS.
SAM GRESHAM, THIS IS THE SECOND
TIME REDISTRICTING HAS BEEN ON
THE BALLOT.
IS IT REALLY JUST TOO
COMPLICATED AN ISSUE FOR VOTERS
TO DECIDE?
>> FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, I
WAS ALSO OF THIS ISSUE, ONE OF
THE AUTHORS OF THIS ISSUE.
NO, IT'S NOT TOO COMPLICATED.
WE JUST DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB.
WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB NEXT
TIME.
WE GOT STARTED LATE.
THEY OUTSPENT US 2-1.
MONEY'S NOT THE ISSUE ANYMORE.
WE'VE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE
THIS MORE PALATABLE SO PEOPLE
CAN UNDERSTAND.
NOW, IF DEMOCRATS ARE SMART,
THEY'D GO INTO TEXAS, ALABAMA,
GEORGIA, SOUTH CAROLINA AND
NORTH CAROLINA.
AND DO REDISTRICTING EFFORTS
BECAUSE IF THEY CAN BREAK THOSE
STATES UP, IT CAN WORK.
NOW, FINAL POINT BEFORE I ACCEPT
THE ONSLAUGHT FROM TERRY.
WITH REGARD TO THIS QUESTION.
WE ARE NOT GOING AWAY.
WE ARE COMING BACK.
>> TERRY, YOUR SIDE HAS PROMISED
REFORM.
HOW SOON WILL IT BE?
>> WELL, PART OF IT IS SAM AND I
WERE TALKING ON ELECTION NIGHT,
AND PART OF IT IS, YOU'VE GOT TO
MAKE A PLAN THAT IS NOT TOO
COMPLICATED.
AND UNFORTUNATELY SAM GOT MIXED
UP WITH SOME UNIVERSITY
PROFESSORS WHO MADE SOMETHING
COMPLICATED MORE AND MORE AND
MORE COMPLICATED THAN WHEN WE
HAD THE STATE BAR ASSOCIATION.
WELL, WHEN THE STATE BAR
ASSOCIATION CAME OUT EARLY
BLASTING THIS AND THE JUDGES
ASSOCIATION, THAT WAS VERY
HELPFUL.
BUT CLEARLY WHATEVER YOU DO, I
MEAN, THE CHALLENGE IN OHIO,
THIS IS A COMPLICATED, DIVERSE
STATE, AND YOU JUST CAN'T THROW
OUT A MATHEMATICAL FORMULA OR
FOUR DIFFERENT CRITERIA.
PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW, HOW'S THIS
GOING TO WORK?
>> IT CAN BE BETTER THAN WHAT
THEY'VE GOT.
>> YES, IT CAN BE IMPROVED ON,
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THERE'S
WAYS TO GET IT DONE.
>> ISSUE TWO, IT WAS GOING TO
HAVE PROMISE FROM THE BEGINNING
BECAUSE IT WAS TOO DIFFICULT FOR
PEOPLE TO SUM VICE IF YOU JUST
SAID REAL QUICKLY WHAT IT IS.
IT WAS WAY TOO DIFFICULT TO BE
ABLE TO DO THAT.
THEN WHEN YOU WENT INTO -- WHEN
I NOTICED WHEN I WENT TO VOTE ON
TUESDAY, IT WAS SPREAD ACROSS
THREE DIFFERENT PAGES OF MY
BALLOT, YOU KNOW, AND MOST
PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO TAKE THE
TIME TO READ ALL OF THAT
INFORMATION.
SO I DO AGREE WITH BOTH, THOUGH.
I THINK THAT BOTH THE DEMOCRATS
AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO
TRY TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE
BECAUSE IT'S BEEN AGREED BY BOTH
SIDES THAT IT NEEDS TO BE
ADDRESSED.
>> LET ME ASK THE BROADCASTER AT
THE TABLE.
I HAVE TRIED OVER AND OVER AGAIN
FOR 20 YEARS TO EXPLAIN
REDISTRICTING EASY.
AND KAREN, YOU CANNOT DO IT.
IT IS HARD TO DO.
>> NOT IN A CONCISE STATEMENT.
AND THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM,
I THINK.
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE
OPPONENTS OF THIS SEIZED ON AND
SAID IT WAS COMPLICATED.
IT WAS TOO COMPLICATED.
IT'S TOO COMPLICATED TO EXPLAIN.
ESPECIALLY IN A YEAR WHEN YOU'VE
GOT SO MUCH CLUTTER GOING ON IN
THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE AND THE
SENATE RACE.
>> AND THE OTHER COMPLICATION IS
THERE'S REDISTRICTING, BUT THEN
THERE'S REAPPORTIONMENT BECAUSE
WHETHER IT'S A CONGRESSIONAL
DISTRICT OR LEGISLATIVE, THERE'S
TWO DIFFERENT PROCESSES, TWO
DIFFERENT SETS OF RULES.
>> THEY'RE BRINGING IT TOGETHER,
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S SO HARD.
IT'S HARD TO EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE
WHY IT IS IMPORTANT.
>> IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO
THAT.
BUT I THINK FOR THE FAIRNESS OF
DEMOCRACY IN OUR COUNTRY, IN
PARTICULAR THE STATE OF OHIO
WHERE YOU HAVE 51% DEMOCRAT AND
MORE THAN 75% OF CONGRESSIONAL
SEATS ARE REPUBLICANS, THAT'S A
TRAVESTY, AND WE CAN'T HAVE
THAT.
THAT NEEDS TO BE FAIR.
FOR THOSE WHO MAY HOLLER AND
SCREAM, I'M NOT A REPUBLICAN,
I'M NOT A DEMOCRAT, I'M AN
INDEPENDENT.
AND I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE A
PROCESS, AND FINALLY, WE AREN'T
GOING AWAY, TERRY.
>> THAT'S FINE.
WE'RE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU.
>> THE OTHER IMPORTANT ISSUE WAS
THE SUPREME COURT RACE.
TWO INCUMBENT JUSTICES LOST
PERHAPS BECAUSE OF THEIR NAMES,
SHARON KENNEDY DEFEATED YVETTE
McGEE BROWN AND WILLIAM O'NEILL
DEFEATED ROBERT CUPP.
I GET O'NEILL, GOOD IRISH NAME,
BEATING CUPP.
IT WAS YVETTE McGEE BROWN.
>> SHERROD BROWN AT THE TOP.
AND THIS WASN'T EVEN A LITTLE
MARGIN.
THIS WAS A PRETTY DECISIVE
VICTORY FOR SHARON KENNEDY WHO
LOST TO McGEE BROWN.
I WAS ON THE AIR EARLIER THIS
WEEK WITH PAUL BECK, POLITICAL
SCIENCE PROFESSOR AT OHIO STATE,
SAYING I'M BAFFLED BY HOW PEOPLE
MAKE THEIR CHOICE ON SUPREME
COURT.
AND HE EVEN SAID HE'S BAFFLED.
IT'S VERY CONFUSING BECAUSE
THERE'S NO PARTISAN LABELS.
AND PEOPLE -- BY THE TIME YOU
GET ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE
BALLOT, YOU'RE JUST WHO KNOWS
WHAT YOU'RE DOING?
>> AND THE OTHER PROBLEM IS WHEN
WE HAVE 35 DAYS OF VOTING, IT
MAKES IT SO MUCH HARDER FOR THE
CANDIDATES LIKE A BOB CUPP, AN
OUTSTANDING JURIST, OUTSTANDING
RATINGS TO GET KNOWN ALL OVER
THE STATE WHEN YOU'VE GOT A
35-DAY CAMPAIGN WINDOW.
>> YEAH.
AND ALSO, TO KIND OF BACK UP
KAREN'S POINT, I MEAN, PEOPLE
DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO ANY OF
THE JUDICIAL RACES.
AND YOU KNOW THIS BECAUSE BILL
O'NEILL WHO WON RAISED NO MONEY.
HE SPENT NO MONEY.
HE DIDN'T EVEN ADVERTISE.
AND YET HE STILL WON THIS
PARTICULAR RACE.
>> ARE YOU SAYING IF SHE TOOK
McGEE OUT OF IT SHE WOULD WIN?
>> THE OTHER PROBLEM IS WHEN
THERE'S A BROWN AND THEN THERE'S
ANOTHER BROWN, THEY BECOME
SUSPICIOUS.
>> IT'S A BETTER NAME THAN
BROWN.
>> A LOT OF YARDS HAD YVETTE
McGEE BROWN SIDES.
SHE HAD TO GO WITH YVETTE AS HER
BRAND ON THE LAWN SIGNS RATHER
THAN BROWN.
>> WELL, PART OF THE PROBLEM IS
EMPHASIZING YOUR FIRST NAME IS A
LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE EVEN IF
THEY SAW A NAME, YVETTE, THEY'RE
LOOKING AND THEY'RE SEEING
BROWN, THEY'RE WONDERING --
>> RIGHT.
DID DEMOCRATS TAKE THIS RACE FOR
GRANTED?
>> LET'S STAY WITH THE HISTORY
OF DEMOCRATS.
THEY'VE NEVER WON IN AN
AFRICAN-AMERICAN STATE LINE.
THEY'VE NEVER WON.
TERRY CONVINCED ME THAT JUDGE
DUNCAN WON ON THE ELECTION AS A
REPUBLICAN, BUT I DIDN'T
REMEMBER THAT.
>> ROBERT DUNCAN WHO JUST PASSED
AWAY.
>> YEAH.
THE DEMOCRATS HAVE A PROBLEM.
AND THEY NEED TO SOLVE THAT
PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT
ELECTED A BLACK PERSON STATEWIDE
IN THE HISTORY OF THE STATE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO
COST MONEY, ASSISTANT SUPPORT,
WHATEVER IT IS.
>> AND REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE IT
FOUR TIMES, AND I THINK THERE'S
A LEGITIMATE CONCERN, DOES THE
DEMOCRAT PARTY AND LABOR REALLY
BACK ALL OF THEIR CANDIDATES.
>> LET'S GET TO DIVERSITY
ISSUES.
LIKE AFTER EVERY ELECTION, THE
WINNER LOSERS PROMISE TO
COMPROMISE.
BUT OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS
THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED, AND
VOTERS, EVEN THOUGH THEY SAY
OVER AND OVER AGAIN THEY ARE
SICK OF PARTISAN GRIDLOCK, TERRY
CASEY, AFTER 2004, 2008, 2010,
WE JUST GREW MORE AND MORE
DIVIDED.
IS THAT GOING TO CONTINUE THIS
TIME AROUND?
>> WELL, AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL,
I THINK THERE'S STILL A PROBLEM
BECAUSE TODAY WHEN THE PRESIDENT
HOLDS WHAT AMOUNTS TO A CAMPAIGN
RALLY AT THE WHITE HOUSE WITH
PEOPLE ON RISERS BEHIND HIM,
DOESN'T TAKE ANY QUESTIONS, I
MEAN, AT SOME POINT -- AND JON
MEACHAM, A VERY RESPECTED
HISTORIAN WITH A BOOK ON
JEFFERSON -- MADE THE POINT
JEFFERSON DIDN'T LIKE IT, BUT HE
SPENT TIME WITH MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS.
HE SAID THIS PRESIDENT, INSTEAD
OF PLAYING GOLF AND BASKETBALL
WITH HIS STAFF, ACTUALLY OUGHT
TO MEET AND TALK WITH MEMBERS OF
CONGRESS.
>> HE'S INVITED JOHN BOEHNER AND
THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP TO THE
WHITE HOUSE NEXT WEEK.
>> AND WE CRITICIZED HIM FOR HIS
OLIVE BRANCHES THAT HE GAVE TO
THE REPUBLICANS -- HE WAS READY
TO GIVE REPUBLICANS THE HOUSE
EARLY IN HIS TENURE.
AND LOOK WHAT IT GOT HIM.
NOW, DON'T SAY HE DID NOT REACH
ACROSS THE AISLE.
BECAUSE HE DID REACH ACROSS THE
AISLE.
>> HIS SPEECH TODAY SOUNDED LIKE
I'LL LET THEM AGREE WITH ME, AND
THAT'S MY FORM OF COMPROMISE.
>> YEAH, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE
WALKING AROUND, WHY DO YOU WANT
TO DO IT AGAIN?
>> WELL, I DO THINK THAT YOU'LL
SEE MORE OF A COMPROMISE THIS
TIME AROUND BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE
A PRESIDENT WHO IS IN HIS SECOND
TERM, AND THERE'S NO MOTIVATION
TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, GET RID OF
HIM.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO
UNSEAT HIM.
HE'S NOT RUNNING AGAIN.
SO I DO THINK THAT YOU'LL AT
LEAST FROM THE -- I MEAN, WE SAW
JUST THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION,
BOEHNER CAME ON TELEVISION.
HE IMMEDIATELY SAID, OKAY.
WE'RE READY TO WORK WITH THEM.
>> KAREN, WILL THE TEA PARTIERS
ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN?
>> THAT'S GOING TO BE THE
QUESTION.
A LOT OF THE MAJOR PLAYERS HERE
ARE THE SAME.
THE SAME FOLKS, I MEAN, THERE'S
BEEN A DEBATE ON HOW WE SPENT $6
BILLION IN THIS ELECTION AND
BASICALLY HAVE THE STATUS QUO,
THOUGH SOME PEOPLE WOULD ARGUE
ABOUT THAT.
YEAH, YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF THE
SAME KEY PLAYERS COMING BACK,
AND WHETHER THE TEA PARTY CAUCUS
IS GOING TO TRY TO SHUT DOWN
EVERYTHING THAT'S PRESENTED TO
THEM, THAT'S GOING TO BE AN
ISSUE.
>> GETTING BACK TO REDISTRICTING
FOR A MOMENT, TERRY, HAVE
REPUBLICANS, BY MAKING THESE
DISTRICTS SO REPUBLICAN, ARE
THEY KIND OF HURTING THEMSELVES?
IS IT BACKFIRING IN THAT IT'S
HARDER TO GET A MODERATE
REPUBLICAN, IT'S HARDER TO GET
SOMEONE TO COMPROMISE THUS
NATIONALLY YOU LOOK LIKE THE
PARTY OF NO?
>> MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.
I MEAN, THE REALITY IS ON THESE
DISTRICTS, PEOPLE FORGET THAT
LIKE THE OHIO HOUSE DISTRICTS
WERE DRAWN BY REPUBLICANS IN
2001, BUT THE DEMOCRATS GOT
CONTROL OF THE HOUSE WITH THE
SPEAKER.
SO THINGS CAN HAPPEN, BUT PART
OF IT IN POLITICS, WHEN WE HAD
LOTS OF MONEY IN AMERICA AND WE
WEREN'T RUNNING UP THE HUGE
DEFICITS, IT'S EASIER TO MAKE
BOTH SIDES HAPPY.
THEY CAN EACH WIN.
WHEN WE'RE BANKRUPT AND WE'RE
OUT OF MONEY, IT'S A LOT HARDER.
>> THIS COUNTRY CANNOT SUSTAIN
GRIDLOCK.
AND THE GRIDLOCK DRAWS THE LINES
HOW THEY ARE DRAWN.
SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN.
IF WE CONTINUE TO DO THIS, YOU
HAVE EXOTIC DISTRICTS THAT
RE-ELECT REPUBLICANS.
WE'VE GOT TO HAVE GRIDLOCK.
WE HAVE TO HAVE A COMPETITIVE
MODICUM.
>> I WOULD ARGUE BANKRUPTCY IS A
MORE DANGEROUS SITUATION.
>> GIVEN THE SITUATION WE HAVE
NOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE
THAT PROBLEM.
>> WELL, PEOPLE HAVE TO COME TO
THE TABLE.
YOU LOOK AT A BILL CLINTON, HE
WAS ABLE TO COMPROMISE, RONALD
REAGAN.
>> WILLING TO COMPROMISE WITH
HIM, TOO.
JOHN KASICH BEING ONE OF THEM.
>> RIGHT.
IT CAN BE DONE, BUT THE
PRESIDENT'S GOT TO BE THE
LEADER.
>> WITH THAT, OFF-THE-RECORD
COMMENTS.
FINAL THOUGHTS, PREDICTIONS FOR
THE WEEKS, YEARS AHEAD.
SAME QUESTION.
>> JON GRUDEN OF CLEVELAND.
>> FOOTBALL COACH JON GRUDEN.
>> IS HE GOING TO HELP?
>> ESPN ANALYST OF THE CLEVELAND
BROWNS.
>> THAT'S MY PREDICTION.
>> TERRY.
>> WELL, ELECTION NIGHT, CHRIS
REDFERN WAS VERY MUCH SAYING
KASICH'S NEXT AND I'M GOING TO
GET HIM, BUT ONE PROBLEM, HE'S
GOT TO HAVE A CANDIDATE FOR
GOVERNOR.
MY GUESS IS STRICKLAND'S GOING
TO BE PACKING HIS BAGS TO TAKE
ANOTHER POSITION.
FIRST OF ALL, THEY'VE GOT TO GET
ANOTHER CANDIDATE BECAUSE THIS
GOVERNOR'S NUMBERS ARE
IMPROVING.
>> IT'S FUNNY TERRY SHOULD
MENTION THIS.
THESE WERE PRINTED AND PASSED
OUT ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AFTER
OBAMA -- OHIO WAS CALLED FOR
OBAMA.
YOU'VE GOT AN ISSUE HERE WITH
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
THEY UNDERSTAND, IT'S GOING TO
TAKE $25 MILLION TO $50 MILLION
TO RAISE MONEY FOR THE
GOVERNOR'S RACE.
AND THEY EXPECT THE CANDIDATE
VERY SHORTLY.
TED STRICKLAND, I THINK IT'S HIS
TO PROBABLY DECLINE, BUT IT
SEEMS LIKE HE PROBABLY WILL.
AND THEN YOU'VE GOT RICHARD
CORDRAY, CONGRESSMAN TIM RYAN.
>> YOU JUST STOLE MINE.
I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK ED
FITZGERALD IS GOING TO ANNOUNCE
BEFORE THE END OF THIS YEAR
BECAUSE HE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO
START GETTING THE NAME
RECOGNITION, AND PLUS HE'S GOT
TO START RAISING MONEY.
>> CUYAHOGA EXECUTIVE ED
FITZGERALD.
>> YES.
>> I WAS AMAZED TO SEE THE SIGNS
THAT QUICKLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO
LOOK AT THIS CAMPAIGN AND SAY
AREN'T PEOPLE EXHAUSTED?
THE NEXT CAMPAIGN IS NOW.
>> MY FINAL COMMENT IS I KNOW
THE SUPREME COURT PROTECTS
POLITICAL SPEECH, BUT SOMETHING
HAS TO BE DONE TO KEEP BLATANTLY
FALSE, NEGATIVE ADS OFF THE
AIRWAVES, WHETHER IT'S THE
CANDIDATES THEMSELVES,
LAWMAKERS, US BROADCASTERS.
IF COKE CAN'T LIE ABOUT PEPSI,
CANDIDATE "A" SHOULDN'T BE ABLE
TO LIE ABOUT CANDIDATE "B."
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