Regular 05/22/12 Session - Norfolk City Council


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www.captionassociates.com >>> WE'RE GOING TO GET GOING.
WE MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTá-- GETTING OUT OF HERE AT
7:00 FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND THEN WE HAVE STUFF
TO MANAGE ONCE WE TALK ABOUT, YOU WANT TO BEGIN?
>> MR.áMAYOR, AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, TONIGHT WE HAVE A
NUMBER OF ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. THE MAIN THINGS WE HAVE ON THE
SECTION 4 OF YOUR AGENDA, WE HAVE SEVERAL ITEMS THAT WILL
COME UP FOR DISCUSSION ON JUNE 12th, BUT BECAUSE THEY HAD AT
LEAST ONE OPPOSITION VOTE, THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE IN THE
PLANNING COMMISSION IS TO BRING THOSE TO YOU FIRST SO THAT YOU
CAN GET AN UPDATE PRIOR TO HAVING TO ACT ON THEM.
FRANK DUKE HAS FOUR SEPARATE DISCUSSIONS TONIGHT, BUT THEY
ARE VERY SHORT. AGAIN, IT BASICALLY BRINGS
COUNCIL UP TO SPEED. PRIOR TO THATá--
>> WHAT IS DRIVING THE JUNE 12th DATE?
>> THAT'S JUST THE NEXT MEETING. >> THE NEXT VOTING MEETING?
>> YES. >> BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S
SOMEá-- I DON'T KNOW ANY CHARACTERISTICS OTHER THAN MY
UNDERSTANDING OFá-- I DO KNOW THAT IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO
INTERRUPT, GOING TO HAVE A PROFOUND IMPACT ON PROPERTY, SO
WE OUGHT TO ALL HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING INSTEAD OF JUST
TONIGHT AND COME BACK ON THE 12th.
I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN STUDYING FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS.
MAYBE WE CAN BRING IT BACK LATER IN THE NO OR SOMETHING AFTER THE
COUNCIL HAS QUESTIONS AND REALLY KNOW WHAT IT'S TALKING ABOUT.
THE CONVERSATION GOING ON HERE AT THE TABLE, MAYBE EVEN IN CITY
HALL DISCUSSING ALL THE IMPLICATIONS, WE WANT TO MAKE
SURE WE MAKE IT RIGHT. >> AND FRANK IS GOING TO COME
SPEAK TO HIM ABOUT IT AFTER THE 12th, SO THEY HAD ASKED THAT THE
VOTE BE HELD. >> LET'S NOT ADVERTISE THAT ONE.
>> OKAY, WE'LL DO THAT. PRIOR TO THAT WE'LL HAVE A BRIEF
PRESENTATION ON THE GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL FOR THE ARTS, AN
ORDINANCE YOU'LL HAVE TONIGHT, AND THEN AFTER THAT, WE'LL START
OFF WITH COUNCIL INTERESTS, BUT TO END THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT,
WE HAVE JIM REDICK WHO'S GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION RELATED
TO HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS. WE DID THIS LAST ANYWAY AND I
THINK IT'S GOINGá-- LAST MAY AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THE
ONGOING DISCUSSION WE HAVE PRIOR TO HURRICANE SEASON.
BEFORE WE TURN THINGS OVER TO JIM, I BELIEVE YOU RECEIVED BY
MEMO ON FRIDAY THAT WE DO HAVE THE FIRST WORK SESSION IN JUNE
SET ASIDE TOWARD DISCUSSION TOWARDS WATERSIDE AND TONIGHT,
JUST TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT JUNE 5th DISCUSSION, IF THERE
ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT STAFF TO TAKE DOWN THAT WE COULD
SHARE WITH THE CONSULTANT OR WITH CORDISH COMPANY PRIOR TO
THAT JOON 5th WORKá-- JUNE 5th WORK SESSION, WE'VE SET ASIDE
TONIGHT JUST TO TAKE THOSE QUESTIONS.
SO NAIR AND COUNCIL, THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF AN
AGENDA TONIGHT AND IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS OF ME, I'LL TURN IT
BACK OVER TO YOU, COUNCIL. >> OKAY.
JUST A FEW THINGS IF I COULD. I'M JUST GOING TO ASK THIS ON
Aá-- MAYBE CONSIDERED A BUDGET ISSUE, YOP.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT PURCHASING THE SHORE PATROL STATION.
>> WHAT, EXCUSE ME? >> THE SHORE PATROL.
>> THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. >> THAT'S IN THE BUDGET, ISN'T
IT? >> RIGHT, BUT DID WE HEAR BACK
THAT THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED IN SELLING THAT.
>> NO, THEY'RE INTERESTED. >> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE
I THOUGHT I MAY BEá-- TODAY WE WERE AT THE GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL
KICKOFF FOR THE CAPITAL CAMPAIGN AND THE MAYOR SPOKE, BARCLAY WAS
THERE, ANGELA I THINK WAS COMING BUT IT WAS QUITE AN EVENT AND IT
REALLY SHOWED THE TREMENDOUS TALENT WE HAVE IN THE AREA, NOT
JUST THE CITY OF NORFOLK, BUT IT'Sá-- I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IF
IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE GO BACK. I MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT AN
ARTS DISTRICT AND CALLING A DEFINITIVE AREA AN ARTS DISTRICT
AND THE ISSUE OF WHETHER WE ADDED SOMETHING TO TICKETS,
WHETHER IT WOULD BE A NICKEL, A DIME, WHATEVER IT WAS, USED
FORá-- AT THOSE CERTAIN VENUES USED FOR ADVERTISING THE ARTS
DISTRICT, IF WE COULD SOMEHOW GO BACK TO THAT MEMORANDUM THAT WAS
WRITTEN AT THE TIME REGINA WAS THE MANAGER AND WEá-- SHENDED
UP, WEá-- SHE ENDED UP, WE GOT SOME TYPE OF MEMO BACK THAT WAS
DISCUSSING MORE WHAT HAPPENED IN WILLIAMSBURG AND THAT WASN'T THE
IDEA. BUT IT REALLY WOULD BE NICE TO
HAVE A DEFINITIVE AREA WHERE WE COULD SAY THIS IS OUR
ESTABLISHED ARTS DISTRICT, AS WE DISCUSSED TODAY AND WE MENTIONED
THE CULTURAL HUB OF NOT JUST VIRGINIA, BUT IT APPEARS, IF YOU
LOOK UP AND DOWN THE EAST COAST, WE APPEAR TO BE QUITE A CULTURAL
HUB, SO WE NEED TO REALLY STEP THAT UP.
WE CAN LOOK AT THATS AND I'D JUST APPRECIATE YOU FIND THAT
OLD MEMO AND IF WE COULD REDISCUSS THE FORMAL
ESTABLISHMENT OF AN ARTS DISTRICT, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT.
>> AND WHEN ANDY BROUGHT IT UP, I REMEMBER THERE WAS A
DISCUSSION BECAUSE THERE'S SOME OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE DONE
SIMILARLY AND REALLY ADDS TO THE VIBRANCY OF THE ARTS DISTRICT
AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE US DO THAT BECAUSE IT JUST ADDS
MORE ENERGY TO THAT WHOLEá-- >> THIS REALLY WAS TERRIFIC
TODAY. KEEPING THE GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL
HERE AND DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING. >> YOU KNOW, REHABBING OUR MONEY
WITH THE REVENUE WITH THE LEASES FROM THE OTHER CITIES, THE
BUILDING THAT WE HAVE IN TERRIBLE DISREPAIR.
IN FACT, A COUPLE OR THREE FLOORS ACTUALLY HAVE HAVE BEEN
CONDEMN, SO WE'RE GETTING A BRAND-NEW BUILDING AND WHICH ALL
OF THIS NEW ACTIVITY IS GOING TO OCCUR IN DOWNTOWN AND THE KIDS
ARE JUSTá-- >> THEY'RE PHENOMENAL.
THOSE REALLY ARE WONDERFUL KIDS, AND ALSO, I THINK WHAT I LEARNED
TODAY WAS, 29 GOVERNORS SCHOOLS IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, THIS
IS THE ONLY ONE FOR THE FINE ARTS, AND THE PROFESSIONALISM
THAT'S THERE WAS REALLY SOLD TO BEHOLD TODAY, SO IF WE COULD GO
BACK TO THAT, I'D PRECIOUS IT. >> TALKING GOOD AN ARTS AND
THEATER DISTRICT. >> YES, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY
ARTS. ARTS, THEATER, PUBLIC ART,
MUSEUM AND THEATER ALL TOGETHER AND HAVE A DEFINITIVE PLACE THAT
WE CANá-- WHEN THE TIME COMES, WE CAN REDISCUSS THAT ON AN
AFTERNOON, PROBABLY A TUESDAY. ALSO, JUST FOR TODAY, IN OUR
BUDGET, AND Iá-- THIS WASN'T FOR THE BUDGET DISCUSSION, BUT I
REALLY NEED TO COMMEND THE MANAGER AND STAFF ON ASSISTING
AND COMING UP WITH THE CO-OCCURRING COURT THAT ALLOWS
US NOW TO HANDLE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BOTH MENTAL ILLNESS AND
SUFFER FROM SEVERE ALCOHOL AND NARCOTICS ABUSE, WHICH WE OFTEN
SEE SOMEBODY WITH PTSD COMES INTO THE SYSTEM, OFTENTIMES
THEY'RE SELF MEDICATING WITH SOME KIND OF NARCOTIC AND THEY
WERE FALLING WITHIN A GAP IN OUR SYSTEM, OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM, THAT
DIDN'T ALLOW THEM TO HAVE TREATMENT THROUGH THE DRUG COURT
OR THE MENTAL HEALTH COURT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE BOTH.
OF ALL THE GREAT IRONIES, YOU COULDN'T HAVE BOTH AND RECEIVE
TREATMENT, COULDN'T GO TO EITHER COURT, YOU WENT TO JAIL.
AND THIS REALLY IS A SIGNIFICANT UNDERTAKING THAT WE'VE DONE TO
FILL 25 SPACES, MANY OF THEM PRIMARILY VETERANS BECAUSE THEY
WILL COME BACK WITH MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND THE SELF
MEDICATING ISSUES, AND THE REASON I MENTION THIS, TODAY WAS
A DRUG COURT GRADUATION AND THE MANAGER WAS THERE, ANTHONY DID A
TREMENDOUS JOB REPRESENTING THE COUNCIL THERE.
JUST Aá-- YOU DID A GREAT JOB AND SPOKE WONDERFULLY.
I KNOW IT WAS FROM THE HEART AND IT WAS OFF THE CUFF, NOTHING
PREPARED. AND READ OUR PROCLAMATION FROM
THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. SO IT REALLY IS SOMETHING THAT
WAS VERY IMPORTANT AND IT'S THE CITY'S MONEY AND WE SAW THE END
RESULT. WE SAW HEALTHY PEOPLE WHO HAD
COMMITTED CRIMES AND HAD PROBLEMS AND CAME OUT, GRADUATED
AND WERE HEALTHY, AND NOW WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO
SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL, AND I HAD CONTACTED AND HOPEFULLY
SOON, HE MAY HAVE ALREADY CONTACTED ME BACK, LOU HAMPTON
FROM THE PILOT TO LOOK INTO THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE IT IS SO
SPECIAL. >> RIGHT.
>> AND ONE OF A KIND TO HAVE THAT COMBINATION, SO I WANT TO
THANK MARCUS AND THE MONEY YOU'RE PUTTING INTO THAT IS VERY
SPECIAL TO THE PEOPLE AT THE COURT AND I KNOW CSB HAS WORKED
VERY HARD AND IT'S JUST WONDERFUL TO SEE.
SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT GOT ACROSS.
I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY TWO THINGS I REALLY WANTED TO FOCUS
ON. THERE WERE TWO THINGS THAT
OCCURRED TODAY. I HAD LOOKED AT THE BUDGET.
I ASKED CERTAIN QUESTIONS OF THE MANAGER AND HE ANSWERED THOSE
QUESTIONS FOR ME AND I APPRECIATE IT.
AND ANYTHING ELSE, I'LL PROBABLY JUST DO ONLINE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU DID A GREAT JOB AND I
APPRECIATE THE $2áMILLION AT WARD'S CORNER.
TERRI AND BARCLAY WORKED HARD FOR THAT AND I THINK THAT'S
WHERE WE NEED TO BE. >> I WAS READING AN ARTICLE IN
THE PILOT THAT SUGGESTED THAT THE REDEVELOPMENT HOUSING
AUTHORITY WANTED TO GET MORE WORK FROM US.
I'M ONE WHO HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY CRITICAL OF THE REHABILITATION
HOUSING AUTHORITY, ESPECIALLY NOW.
THIS IS NOT THE REDEVELOPMENT HOUSING AUTHORITY THAT PUT
NORFOLK ON THE MAP YEARS AGO FOR, YOU KNOW, REBUILDING AN
OLDER CITY. THIS IS NOT THE REDEVELOPMENT
HOUSING AUTHORITY THAT HAD THE OLD DOOR AND JULIAN RASKINS AS
CHAIRMAN. THE HOUSING AUTHORITY NOW IS NOT
AS WIDELY REGARDED BY HUD AS IT WAS BACK IN THE OLD DAYS, AND
I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS WERE TO OCCUR, WHO WOULD ACTUALLY DO
THE WORK? I MEAN, WOULD THE HOUSING
AUTHORITYá-- IF WE GAVE THEM ADDITIONAL WORK, WOULD THEY TURN
IT OVER TO THE BUILDERS GUILD? IF THEY DID, THAT ISá-- THAT
ELIMINATES BLACKS AND MINORS AND OTHER MINORITY PARTICIPATION,
AND I'M JUST OPPOSED TO US DOING MORE WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.
$250,000 FOR A STUDY ON THE GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL SEEMS TO ME A
BIT MUCH. IT SEEMSá-- AND I SUPPORT THE
GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, 100%, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT
THEY COULD HAVE GOTTEN STUDENTS FROM ODU AND NORFOLK STATES, OR
WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN STUDENTS FROM ODU AND NORFOLK STATE TO DO
THAT SAME STUDY FOR MUCH LESS. AND I AM JUSTá-- WELL, YEARS
AGO, NONE OF YOU ON COUNCIL EXCEPT PAUL, I'VE BEEN AN ADD VO
CAN'T OF DISBANDING THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, BUT BY THE FACT THAT
WE NEED THEM TO GET CERTAIN GRANTS IS WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE
THEM, BUT I JUST HOPE THAT WE WON'T, YOU KNOW, DO ANY MORE
BUSINESS, TURN ANY OF OUR BUSINESS OVER TO THE HOUSING
AUTHORITY BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET THE RESULTS.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE STILL SUFFERING NOW FROM WORK THAT THE
HOUSING AUTHORITY HAS GIVEN TO CONTRACTORS AND I JUSTá-- I'M
JUST STRONGLY OPPOSED TO US DOING ANY MORE BUSINESS WITH THE
HOUSING AUTHORITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO WORK THAT WE
ARE LETTING OUT BEING DONE. AND ALSO, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, I
FLOATED THE IDEA, SUGGESTED THAT WE NEEDED TO TRY TO MAKE THIS
REGION AN EDUCATIONAL DESTINATION.
WITH THE UNIVERSITIES AND COMMUNITY COLLEGES THAT WE HAVE
HERE, EVEN THE ONES OVER, YOU KNOW, ON THE OTHER SIDE IN
HAMPTON AND CHRISTOPHER NEWPORT, WILLIAM AND MARY, THAT WE NEED
TO GET TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS AN EDUCATIONAL DESTINATION.
IT WILL DO TWO THINGS. NUMBER ONE, IT WILL BE AN
ECONOMIC ENGINE FOR THIS ENTIRE REGION.
BUT IT ALSO, IT WOULD GROW OUR WORKFORCE, CONTINUE TO GROW OUR
WORKFORCE, BUT I SAID THAT SEVERAL MONTHS AGO AND IT'S
NEVER GONE ANYWHERE. WE WENT OUT AND HIRED A GUY TO
COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH THE MILITARY.
THAT SORT OF TAKES CARE OF IT, AND THAT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME
WE'VE DONE THAT. WE DID THAT YEARS AGO AND DIDN'T
GET A LOT OF FRUIT FROM THAT PARTICULAR EFFORT, BUT I REALLY
BELIEVE WE NEED TO MAKE THIS REGIONá-- AND I DON'T KNOW
WHETHER WE HAVE TO GO TO GET PARTICIPATION FROM OTHER CITIES
OR NOTá-- BUT THIS REGION NEEDS TO BE AN EDUCATIONAL
DESTINATION. AND WE HAVE QUALITY UNIVERSITIES
HERE. WE HAVE PROGRAMS, WE'VE EAST
VIRGINIA MEDICAL SCHOOL, HAMPTON UNIVERSITY, ODU AND NORFOLK
STATE, WILLIAM AND MARY, AND IT WOULD JUST GIVE THIS ENTIRE
REGION, YOU KNOW, A BOOST IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I REALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE
SECOND TIME THAT I'M ASKING ABOUT IT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING I
BELIEVE THAT WOULD REALLY ENHANCE THIS ENTIRE REGION.
MARCUS, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GET IT DONE, BUT I THINK YOU REALLY
NEED TO CONVENE A GROUP OF PEOPLE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET IT
MOVING. >> I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU.
MR.áLID DICK, WE KIND OFá-- RIDDICK, WE KIND OF CUT OFF A
LITTLE BIT. LAST YEAR, WE DID HAVE A SERIES
OF MEETINGS, OR I DID, WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITIES
ASSOCIATED WITH NORFOLK, SO WE CAN GET THAT BACK ON TRACK AND
JUST SEE TO WHAT EXTENT WE CAN DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
>> OKAY. >> IN FACT, I HAD FORGOTTEN, YOU
HAD BRIEFLY SAID THAT YOU HAD REPORTED ON THAT, BUT I HAD
FORGOTTEN, HE DID MENTION ABOUT IT AT ONE POINT.
>> IT WAS A WHILE AGO. >> IT'S A GOOD IDEA.
>> THE $250,000 FOR THE FEASIBILITY FOR THE GOVERNOR'S
SCHOOL WAS AN ARCHITECTURAL FEE IN ORDER TO HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF
THE COST OF THE CONSTRUCTION. THE ARCHITECT WAS ENGAGED SO
THAT WILET'S DESCRIBED AS A FEASIBILITY FEE, IT'S REALLY
DESIGN FEE. >> OKAY, GREAT.
>> IT'S NOT THATá-- IT'S PRETTY TYPICAL.
>> OKAY G. WELL, THANK YOU.
[ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ] >> I ONLY HAVE ONE THING.
I NOTICE WE HAVE ABOUT FIVE ORDINANCES TONIGHT ABOUT REFUNDS
FOR BUSINESSES FOR BUSINESS LICENSE.
I KNOW WE HAD ONE TWO WEEKS AGO ORá-- WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT?
IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THE WHOLE TIME I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, I'VE
SEEN ONE OF THOSE. >> I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION.
>> AND WE HAVE FIVE TONIGHT. WHAT'S HAPPENING?
ARE WE OVERASSESSING OR WHAT? >> COUNCILMAN WINN, WHAT
OCCURRED AND I BELIEVE IT MAY HAVE BEEN IN THE DECEMBER OR
JANUARY TIME FRAME, THE COUNCIL PASSED AN ORDINANCE WHICH
BASICALLY SAID THAT REFUNDS GET BASED ON ERRONEOUS ASSESSMENTS
ABOVE $2,500 WOULD HAVE TO COME TO THE COUNCIL, BUT PRIOR TO
THAT ORDINANCE, THESE REFUNDS WERE BEINGá--
>> THEY WERE DOING THEM AND WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT IN.
>> RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING THAT'S ABOVE THE $2,500 THAT FALLS INTO
THAT CATEGORY HAS TO COME TO COUNCIL.
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING THEM. >> SO ARE WEá-- IS THIS A
HIGHERá-- ARE WE DOING THEM MORE NOW THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST OR
IS THIS ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT WE HAVE EVERY YEAR?
>> I THINK IT'S ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT.
>> HOW DOES ITá-- JUST TELL ME, DO THEY GO IN AND APPRAISE THE
OFFICE EQUIPMENT OR WHATá-- >> I'VE GOTá-- AND THIS WOULD BE
AN IMPROVEMENT, IF WE TOLD YOU ON EACH ONE WHAT IT WASá--
>> JUST ONE EXAMPLE. >> THAT THE ODYSSEY HEALTHCARE,
ODYSSEY MOVED TO VIRGINIA BEACH, BUT WENT AHEAD AND FULLY PAID
ITS BUSINESS LICENSE IN NORFOLK, AND THEN AFTER THE FACT, THE
ACCOUNTANT POINTED IT OUT AND THEY WERE CORRECT, BUT ODYSSEY
KEPT PAYING OUT OF PRACTICE. >> THEY PAID INTO NORFOLK AFTER
THEY MOVED? >> YES, YES.
AND SO THAT'Sá-- I'VE GOT A REASON FOR ALL OF THEM.
SO THAT IT'S SIMILAR TO THAT. BUT EACH ONE IS A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT. BUT IT IS JUST IN THE NORMAL
COURSE OF BUSINESS THAT WITH THE MULTITUDE OF PERSONAL PROPERTY
ASSESSMENTS, THAT THERE IS JUST GOING TO BE SOME INSTANCES WHERE
YOU HAVE THAT CHANGE, THAT CORRECTION.
>> ARE YOU TELLING ME THIS IS A NORMAL AMOUNT?
>> YES, YES. >> WE'RE BEING CONSISTENT WITH
THE STATE CODE. BASICALLY, STATE CODE SAID THAT
ANYTHING ABOVE $2500 HAS TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS, AND IN THE
PAST, WE WASN'T FOLLOWING THE PROCESS, SO TO BE IN COMPLIANCE
WITH THE STATE CODE, WE'RE NOWá-- THE CITY ORDINANCE NOW
MATCHES THE STATE CODE, SO WE'RE CONSISTENT.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT PART. I GUESS WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT
THERE'S NO BLIP IN THE AMOUNT WE'REá--
>> RIGHT. >> IT IS, BUT ITá-- IT IS, BUT
WE DON'T LOSE MONEY. I MEAN, BASICALLY.
WE'RE PRETTY LEVEL ON YEAR TO YEAR, YEAR OVER YEAR FOR THE
AMOUNTS THAT WEá-- >> NORMALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU
GET AN ASSESSMENT AND THE ASSESSMENT BOOK MAY SAY THAT THE
CITY PROJECTIONS LOOK LIKE WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT 56áMILLION, AND
THE REALITY OF IT IS NOT 56áMILLION.
MORE LIKE 30áMILLION. AND SO YOU THINK THAT THERE'S
56áMILLION OUT THERE AND THERE'S NOT 56áMILLION OUT THERE, MORE
LIKE 30áMILLION OUT THERE. SO IT'S NOT MONEY THAT YOU CAN
ANTICIPATE IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR THAT YOU WILL HAVE
AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO USE. SO BASICALLY, WHAT THIS DOES, IT
HELPS THATá-- WE WOULDá-- AS ATTRITION THAT THE PROCESS WILL
GET TO WHERE WE WILL MINIMIZE OVER TIME THEá--
>> MARCUS ON THE BUDGET IS PUTTING IN THE SO-CALLED
30áMILLION. >> I UNDERSTAND.
I'M JUSTá-- BUT IT'S NOT UNá-- WE WOULDN'T BE KNOWING ABOUT IT
IF WE HADN'T CHANGED THE ORDINANCE.
>> RIGHT. [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>> I WANTED TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTION LAST WEEK
FOR THE EMPLOYEE WEEK AND THE HEALTHY NORFOLK, THAT WE HAD A
REALLY GOOD TURNOUT FOR THE WALK/RUN ON WEDNESDAY AND WE HAD
THE BIKING TO WORK, AND ALSO THE BREAKFAST ON FRIDAY.
SO IT WAS A GREATá-- AND JUST ONE MORE WEEK, THIS SATURDAY FOR
THE LAST NIGHT FOR BIKE NORFOLKá-- NO, I GUESS TWO MORE
WEEKS. NO, ONE MORE WEEK, ONE MORE
WEEK, SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THE OTHER THING, I WENT TO A
GRADUATION FOR THE HEALTH CENTER AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT
HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS RIGHT OFF OF HAMPTON BOULEVARD
AT 26th STREET, IT'S REALLY A GREAT PROGRAM FOR MANY OF OUR
CITIZENS AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO GET INVOLVED IN THIS.
IT'S HELPING A LOT OF PREVIOUS FELONS COMING BACK TO THE
WORKPLACE, HELPING THEM WITH G.E.D.s AND GETTING THEM WORK SO
THAT IT'Sá-- THEY HAVE DONE A TERRIFIC JOB FOR OUR CITIZENS.
AND LASTLY, CAN WE GET AN UPDATE ON TWO THINGS.
ONE, I HOPE DENISE WILL GIVE US REGULAR UPDATES ON THE PROGRESS
OF THE COAL PLANT AS WE SAID WE COULD DO WITH OUR RESOLUTION,
THAT SOME OF YOU HADá-- [ LAUGHTER ]
AND SECONDLY, CAN WE GET AN UPDATE ON HOW THE PIRATE
(INAUDIBLE). THAT'S ALL.
>> GET AN UPDATE ON THE (INAUDIBLE).
DIDN'T WANT IT. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> ALL RIGHT. FIRST I WANT TO THANK JAMES.
WE WENT OUT TO BALLENTINE THIS MORNING AND THEN I GOT TO TELL
YOU, YOU KNOW, WE SIT AROUND THE TABLES AND ABOUT A MONTH OR TWO
AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT THE MURDERS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE IN THAT
COMMUNITY, BUT IT WAS AMAZING TO BE ABLE TO STAND AT THE END OF
ONE CORNER AND FROM A PANORAMIC VIEW, TO BE ABLE TO SEE ALL OF
THEá-- THE COMMUNITY HAD GONE AND PUT CONES OUT, BIG ORANGE
CONES WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET,
YOU CAN SEE EVERY CONE REPRESENTING THE BODIES WHETHER
THEY GOT SHOT IN THE STREET OR SHOT IN THE HOUSE.
THEY WERE ALL WITHIN SIGHT, I MEAN, WITHIN A 50-YARDá-- THEY
WERE ALL RIGHT THERE IN A CONCENTRATED AREA.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS GREAT. IT MEANT A LOT TO THE COMMUNITY.
TO GET STAFF TO COME OUT TODAY AND TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO
TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE ISSUES. LIKE I SAID, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT
MAJORSá-- NOT THINGS THAT WILL COST US MONEY, JUST GOOD
HOUSEKEEPING, GOOD CODE ENFORCEMENT, GOOD POLICING.
THE POLICE HAVE TURNED IT UP AND DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB IN THERE
TO DATE ON THOSE ISSUES, SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING JAMES TO
HAVE THE GREAT DAY OUT THERE. SECOND THING, YOU KNOW, I WAS
THINKING ABOUT THIS WHEN I THINK THE LAST TIME I HAD A BRAINSTORM
LIKE THIS, MAYOR, WAS THE NORFOLK JAZZ FEST, BROUGHT THAT
BACK. AND I WAS WATCHING "60 MINUTES"
ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO AGO AND THE GUY THAT PLAYED LIEUTENANT DAN,
HE HAS A BAND AND HE GOES AROUND TO VARIOUS CITIES IN THE COUNTRY
AND THEY PUT ON A CONCERT FOR THE WOUNDED VETERANS.
AND I WAS THINKING, I SAID WE HAVE THE LARGEST MILITARY
INSTALLATION HERE AND WE ALWAYS PRIDE OURSELVES ABOUT OUR
SUPPORT FOR THE MILITARY, AND THERE IS A LOT OF YOUNG MEN AND
WOMEN THAT ARE WALKING AROUND HERE THAT ARE VETERANS THAT ARE
AMPUTEES, YOU KNOW, THAT DON'T NECESSARILY GET THE NECESSARY
FINANCIAL HELP FROM THE GOVERNMENT, WHETHER IT BE
RETROFITTING THEIR APPLIANCE, I MEAN THEIR CABINETS OR RAMP OR
JUST THE COST OF PROSTHETICS. WE KNOW THAT DUR THE VIETNAM
WAR, THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUSTAINING THE TYPES OF INJURIES
THAT THEY ARE TODAY, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE LIVED THEN, BUT
THESE FOLKS ARE LIVING AND THEY'RE LIVING AND MATRICULATING
BACK INTO NORMAL LIFE AND I JUST THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, WEá--
SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T COST THE CITY MONEY BUT LOOKING AT OFF
DATES IN THE FESTIVAL PARK AND SEEING IF KAREN IS AMENABLE TO
DOING A CONCERT TO RAISE MONEY FOR OUR VETERANS AND MAKE IT AN
ANNUAL THING AND THEN THE MONEY WOULD GO IN A POT TO HELP OUR
WOUNDED VETERANS OR THESE FOLKS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO HELP.
WE TALK ABOUT HELPING THEM IN TERMS OF TRANSITIONING BACK INTO
SOCIETY WITH JOBS AND OPPORTUNITIES, BUT A LOT OF THEM
JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST THE DAY-TO-DAY BASIC NEEDS, THEY'RE
STRUGGLING WITH. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST ONE
OF THE BRAIN STORMS THAT I THOUGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE
WERE AMENABLE TO DOING, THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING I FELT VERY
STRONGLY ABOUT IN TERMS OF US BEING THE CENTER OF THE REGION
AND US BEING A, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEá-- WE'RE A MILITARY TOWN.
AND THAT WE COULD HELP SOME PEOPLE AND IF WE SEEDED AN
EVENT, WHERE KAREN BROUGHT IN A HEADLINER AND RAISE MONEY AND
PUT A LITTLE BIT AWAY AND WE HAVE LIKE A GRANT, A SCHOLARSHIP
THAT YOU CAN HELP THESE FOLKS OUT AND, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD COST
THE CITY NOTHING, BUT WE COULD ALSO BENEFIT FROM THAT GREATLY.
>> WHY DON'T WE SIT DOWN AND TRY TO FLUSH OUT A PROGRAM AND BRING
IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL? >> THAT'S ALL I HAD.
>> ALL RIGHT. >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
>> JUST A QUESTION ABOUT THE BUDGET.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN AGAIN THE INCREASE IN STAFF IN THE
COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE'S OFFICE ANDá-- BECAUSE NONE OF
THE OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS HAVE AN INCREASE IN
STAFF AND I'M JUST WONDERING WHERE THOSE POSITIONS ARE GOING
OR WHATá-- >> SURE.
I THINK I CAN DO IT FROM MEMORY. LONG STORY SHORT, IT'S NOT AN
INCREASE IN STAFF IN THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE'S
OFFICE. BASICALLY, WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR
YEARS IS WE'VE HAD THOSE POSITIONS CALLED SPECIAL PROJECT
POSITIONS THAT THEY'RE TECHNICALLY SUPPOSED TO LAST
MONTH MORE THAN TWO YEARS. WE HAVE SPECIAL PROJECT
POSITIONS THAT HAVE GONE ON FOR TEN YEARS PLUS, SO WE TRIED TO
JUST DO TRUTH IN ADVERTISING IN THE BUDGET.
THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY HERE WORKING HERE, AND WE HAD
THE SAME CASE I THINK IN I.T. AND A COUPLE OTHER DEPARTMENTS,
WE JUST CONVERTED THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN
WORKING HERE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME THAT DON'T SHOW UP IN
THE BUDGET AS A POSITION COUNT, BUT SHOW UP IN TERMS OF THE
DOLLARS AND WE JUST CONVERTED THEM TO WHAT I CALL FULL-TIME
POSITIONS, SO NO NEW STAFF. >> ARE THEYá-- ARE THOSE
POSITIONS NEEDED TO BEá-- I MEAN, DO WE NEED TO KEEP THEM AS
FULL-TIME OR ARE THEYá-- I MEAN, WHERE DOES.
>> LET ME TRY TO GO AT IT A DIFFERENT WAY.
A SPECIAL PROJECT POSITION IS, LET'S SAY, SOMETIMES AN EASY
POSITION TO CREATE. FOR THE MOST PART, IT SHOULD BE
A SPECIAL PROJECT AND IT SHOULD BE A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY ABOUT THOSE FOUR POSITIONS IN
THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE'S OFFICE, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT WHAT
THEY DO. WE WERE JUST TRYING TO LOOK AT
ALL OF THE POSITIONS IN THE CITY AND ANYTHING THAT WAS A SPECIAL
PROJECT THAT WAS WAY BEYOND TWO YEARS, IT WAS ALREADY BUDGETED
FOR, WE CONVERTED IT TO A FULL-TIME POSITION.
WHETHER THEY'RE NEEDED, WE CAN LOOK AT ALL SPECIAL PROJECTSá--
>> HONESTLY, I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT ANYBODY LOSE THEIR JOBS,
BUT I'M JUST WONDERING THAT SOME OF THE OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL
OFFICERS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO MORE WITH LESS AND I'M JUST
WONDERING WHY WE'RE NOT REALIGNING OR LOOKING AT SOME OF
THE POSITIONS THERE AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, IS THEREá-- ARE THERE
SERVICES THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE, LIKE DMVZ THAT NEED TO
BE CONTINUE THERE, CAN THAT BE MOVED, I THINK GEORGE SCHAFER
HAD MENTIONED THAT HIS OFFICE COULD PROBABLY TAKE THAT.
I'M JUSTá-- YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS TO STREAMLINE RIGHT NOW IN
GOVERNMENT, SO WHY THAT'Sá-- >> SURE.
NO, I UNDERSTAND. WITH SOME OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL
OFFICERS, WE GET A 100% REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE STATE.
FOR INSTANCE, LET'S SAY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.
IN SOME OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, LIKE IN THE
TREASURER'S DEPARTMENT OR THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE, SOME OF
THE REIMBURSE IS 50% OR NOT 100%.
IF YOU START TO LOOK AT THOSE POSITIONS, IN OTHER WORDS,
YOU'RE ASKING LET'S LOOK AT THOSE POSITIONS THAT ARE REVENUE
PRODUCING, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD START.
YOU LOOK AT THOSE POSITIONS THAT ARE REVENUE PRODUCING, VERSUS
THOSE POSITIONS THAT ARE 100% LOCALLY FUNDED, WE DID NOT DO
THAT ANALYSIS, BUT I I THAT'S A FAIR ANALYSIS.
>> I MEAN, THESE AREN'T ACTUALLY NEW POSITIONS.
>> NO. >> THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE
BEEN WORKING FORá-- >> RIGHT, BUT THEY WERE FOR
SPECIAL PROJECTS THAT ARE NO LONGER BEING FUNDED.
>> WELL, NO, I'M SAYING IT WAS A DETERMINATION THIS SHOULD NOTá--
IN MY OPINION, HAVE BEEN MADE. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN EITHER YOU
HAVE A PERSON WHO IS A FULL-TIME PERSON THAT WORKS FOR THE CITY
THAT'S IN THE POSITION COUNT OR THEY'RE NOT, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE
SOMEá-- IN THE PURE SENSE OF SPECIAL PROJECTS, TWO YEARS OR
LESS AND IT GOES AWAY. BUT AGAIN, WE'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE
IN SPECIAL PROJECT POSITIONS FOR TEN YEARS PLUS AND WE JUST DON'T
THINK THAT THAT'S CORRECT. >> THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE
CONSIDERED SPECIAL PROJECTS WOULD DOá-- DO THEY ALWAYS GET
BENEFITS AND THE WHOLEá-- I MEAN, WERE THEY CONSIDERED
FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AS A SPECIAL PROJECT PERSON OR WITH THEY
CONSIDERED FULL-TIME TEMPORARY? >> THEY ARE FULL-TIME.
>> OKAY. >> BUT I THINK THE SPECIAL
PROJECT PROVISION DOESN'T PERMIT THEM TO BE IN THE RETIREMENT
SYSTEM UNLESS THEY EXCEED TWO YEARS, AND THE INTENT OF THE
POSITION IS THAT THEY NOT EXCEED TWO YEARS.
AND SO THAT IT'S A MORE STREAMLINED, EASIER WAY TO ADD
AN EMPLOYEE. IT DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE CIVIL
SERVICE CLASSIFICATIONS AND PROCESSES AND THAT SOMETIMES
IT'S NOT PROPERLY USED. >> SO THEY WERE ALWAYS THERE, WE
JUST NEVER COUNTED THEM AND NOW WE'RE COUNTING THEM.
>> THAT'S ESSENTIALLY RIGHT. >> THAT'S THE LONG AND SHORT OF
IT? >> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> MARCUS, WHEN YOU READ THE BUDGET, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND
WHAT YOU JUST SAID. READING THE BUDGET, IT LOOKS
LIKE A CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER GOT FOUR MORE EMPLOYEES AND
EVERYBODY ELSE IS IN Aá-- TRYING TO BE MORE EFFICIENT.
WE MIGHT NEED SOME SORT OF EXPLANATION WHEN THE BUDGET IS
ADOPTED, AS PEOPLE COME TO SEE IT IN THE FUTURE, IT OUGHT TO BE
IN THE TERMS OF THE BUDGET WHY THAT'S OCCURRING.
I THINK IT ONLY OCCURRED IN HER OFFICE, IN THE COMMISSIONER'S
OFFICE, SO THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, BUT I ALSO I THINK IN
THE FUTURE, THERE ARE A LOT OF EMPLOYEES THAT WE PAY FOR FOR
THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICES, IN ALL OF THEM, AND THAT WOULD BEAR
SOME REVIEW ROUTINELY. I MEAN, EVERY FEW YEARS AND WE
HAVEN'T DONE IT IN A LONG TIME TO SEE HOW MANY OF THESE PEOPLE
ARE HANGING AROUND, THAT WERE GOING THEREBY FOR TWO YEARS, AND
ALL OF A SUDDEN ARE HANGING ORDINANCE FOR FIVE, SIX, EIGHT,
TEN YEARS, AND WE SHOULD WE CONTINUE TO FOOT THE ABOUT I
WILL. >> JUST TO PIGGY BACK ON, THAT
JUST LIKE YOU'RE TAKING THE REAL ESTATE THINGS, THE RELIEF
PROGRAM OUT. WELL, THE PEOPLE THAT WERE
RUNNING THAT DEPARTMENT, WELL, YOU BRING THEM OVERá-- I'M
ASSUMING YOU'RE LEAVING THEM, YOU KNOW, SO THEN YOU GOTá-- IF
THERE'S VACANT SIS THERE, DO YOU SAKE THE VACANCIES AWAY AND USE
THOSE THREE OR DO YOU KEEP THE THREE AND THE VACANCIES?
BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO FIRE NOBODY, BUT YOU MAY HAVE
VACANCIES AND DO U FREEZE THE VACANCIES?
AND YOU KNOW, DO YOU JUST LEAVE THE THREE AND KEEP THE VACANCIES
OPEN AS WELL? BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T HAVEá-- IF
YOU DON'T HAVE THE WORK, YOU KNOW, THEN THERE HAS TO BE SOME
REORGANIZING GOING ON. >> RIGHT.
>> INTERNALLY. >> RIGHT.
I AGREE WITH YOU. IF IF IT'S FINE WITH COUNCIL,
YOU KNOW, WHAT WE COULD DO PRETTY QUICKLY IS THAT THERE
ARE, AGAIN, CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICES THAT ARE 100% FUNDED BY
THE STATE AND I SEPARATE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE CLERK
AND THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY FROM, I'D SAY, THE TREASURER AND
THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS
IN THE TRUSHERS OFFICE ANDá-- TREASURER'S OFFICE AND THE
COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE ARE NOT 100% FUNDED BECAUSE THEY DO HELP
US IN TERMS OF PRODUCING REVENUE.
THEN WE HAVE SOME POSITIONS IN THOSE TWO OFFICES THAT ARE 100%
CITY FUNDED, AND WE COULD REVIEW ALL OF THOSE 100% CITY-FUNDED
POSITIONS TO SEE TO WHAT EXTENT THEY ARE REVENUE GENERATING AND
WHAT ARE WE GETTING FOR THE RESOURCES WE'RE PUTTING INTO
THOSE POSITIONS BECAUSE ALL OF THEM ARE NOT REVENUE GENERATING.
>> ALL RIGHT. I JUST HAVE ONE SHORT THING I
WANT TO PASS AROUND HERE AND AN ARTICLE WHICH I READ IN THE
RICHMOND TIMES DISPATCH SUNDAY. IT WAS ANTI-POF HAVE IT BILL
SEEKS INPUT. I DON'T WANT TO ROCK ANY BOATS
TODAY, BUT I JUST WANT TO BRING IT BACK LATER AND IT'S ENOUGH IF
FIVE PEOPLE WANT TO DO THIS, OKAY, BUT THEY HAVE PEOPLE ON
THE TASK FORCE, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT 16, 17, 18, BUT I MEAN
THERE'S SOME NUMBERS IN HERE THAT TALK ABOUT THE CHILDHOOD
POVERTY, HIGHEST CHILD POVERTY RATE IN THE STATE AT 35%.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT OURS IS. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE INTERESTING
TO TAKE A LOOK. WHY DON'T YOU PASS THAT DOWN AND
WE'LL BRING IT BACK SOMETIME WHEN WE HAVE TIME.
OKAY. THEN MR.áMANAGER, THE GOVERNOR'S
SCHOOL FOR THE ARTS. >> MAYOR, WHILE YOU'RE GETTING
TEED UP, I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU GUYS AGAIN, WE HAVE A
VIRGINIA FIRST CITIES COMING TO NORFOLK ON JUNE 1st, THE MAYOR
WILL BE WELCOMING THE DELEGATION.
I'M GOING TO HAVE SOME OF OUR STATE DELEGATION HERE AS WELL,
ELECTED OFFICIALS FROM AROUND THE STATE.
AS SCHEDULE PERMITS, WE WOULD LIKE TOá-- I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS
WILL COME OUT AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET THE
COMMITTEE AND SEE WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH THE VIRGINIA
FIRST CITIES AND HOW IT RELATES TO THE CITY OF NORFOLK AS THE
INITIATIVE. >> OKAY.
>> MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, YOU MAY RECALL I LAST BRIEFED
YOU ON OUR GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL PROGRESS ON MARCH 27th, THE DAY
BEFORE WE MET WITH THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE GOVERNOR'S
SCHOOL AND THE COMMITTEE OF SUPERINTENDENTS.
BOTH THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THE COMMITTEE OF SUPERINTENDENTS
ACCEPTED OUR PROPOSAL, WHICH INCLUDES CONSOLIDATING A VARIETY
OF LOCATIONS ACROSS THE CITY INTO THE MONROE BUILDING ON
GRANBY STREET. I COMMENTED AT THE MEETING TO
INDICATE THE BUILDING HAS BEEN IN DISREPAIR FOR A NUMBER OF
YEARS AND WE'RE NOT ONLY EXCITED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE
TALENTED YOUNG PEOPLE FROM ACROSS THE REGION COME TO
NORFOLK, BUT THE ABILITY TO HAVE THEM LEARNING AND MYING THEIR
TRADEá-- AND PLYING THEY'RE TRADES IN A RENOVATED MONROE
BUILDING. A COUPLE SLIDES TO PROVIDE YOU
WITH INFORMATION. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS,
PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO ASK. WE'VE GONE THROUGH, ALONG WITH
THE NRHA AND ARRIVED AT TOLL TAL RENOVATION COSTS OF
9.16áMILLION. THAT 9.61áMILLION GETS BROKEN UP
INTO TWO PORTIONS, THE GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL PORTION AND
THE NON-GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL PORTION.
THE NON-GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL PORTION IS IN SUPPORT OF THE
WELLS THEATRE THAT THE CITY LEASES AND THE VIRGINIA STAGE
COMPANY THAT OPERATES THE BACK OF HOUSE, IF YOU WILL, SO THEY
WOULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT. THE BREAK-UP OF THESE TWO LINES
IS THE GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL IS ABOUT 82 FRS AND THE VIRGINIA
STAGE COMPANY WOULD BE ABOUT 18%.
THE TOTAL COST OF RENOVATION AT 9.61áMILLION IS FUNDED WITH A
VARIETY OF LINE ITEMS AS YOU CAN SEE.
BANK LOAN, RCIP, INCLUDING THE FY 13 PROPOSED AMOUNT.
IT'S TAX CREDITS AND A PRIVATE DONOR.
THE BANK LOAN, I WILL FOCUS ON ON THE NEXT PAGE AS THESE ITEMS
WILL NOT HAVE ONGOING REPAYMENT OBLIGATIONS.
THE BANK LOAN IS THE 4.76áMILLION PORTION OF THE
TOTAL RENOVATION COSTS. WE ARE WORKING WITH, AGAIN, NRHA
AND THE GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL TO ARRIVE AT A LEASE, WHICH AGAIN,
IS GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL HAS AGREED TO, THAT WOULD BE FOR A 30-YEAR
PERIOD. THE FINANCING OF THIS BANK LOAN
WOULD BE AMORTIZED OVER A 25-YEAR PERIOD AND THE DEBT
SERVICE ON THIS 4.76áMILLION, BASED ON OUR ESTIMATES AND WE
USED A HIGHER INTEREST RATE THAN WE BELIEVE WE'D BE ABLE TO
ATTAIN FROM A BANKING INSTITUTION, WOULD BE SUFFICIENT
TO COVERá-- WOULD BE SUFFICIENTLY COVERED BY THE
360,000 FROM THE GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL.
ONE OF THE NUANCES IN THERE, THE CITY WILL CONTINUE TO BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BUILDING AFTER THE
RENOVATION, IS THAT WE WOULD BE ESTABLISHING A RESERVE ACCOUNT.
A RESERVE ACCOUNT WOULD FIRST AND FOREMOST BE USED IF NEEDED
TO COVER ANY SHORTFALLS IN DEBT SERVICE, AND IF THERE ARE NO
SHORTFALLS IN DEBT SERVICE, THAT RESERVE ACCOUNT WOULD ALSO BE
AVAILABLE TO BE USED FOR ANY ONGOING CAPITAL NEEDS.
I MENTIONED THE POTENTIAL FOR AN INCREASE IN DEBT SERVICE BECAUSE
WHILE WE'RE GOING TO AMORTIZE THIS DEBT OVER 25 YEARS, THE
BANKING, LOCAL BANKING INSTITUTIONS HAVE INDICATED THAT
WE WOULD BE ABLE TO LOCK IN OUR INTEREST RATE FROM ANYWHERE FROM
SEVEN TO TEN YEARS. SAID DIFFERENTLY, SOMEWHERE
BETWEEN SEVEN AND TEN YEARS, THE INTEREST RATE WILL BE RESET.
AT THAT INTEREST RATE RESET, IT MAY GO UP, IT MAY GO DOWN, WHICH
IS WHY WE BELIEVE THE RESERVE FUND IS THE MOST APPROPRIATE WAY
TO HEDGE ANY POTENTIAL EXPOSURE GOING FORWARD.
>> IS THAT DEPENDENT ON HOW MUCH THE RATES CAN ADJUST?
>> WE WON'T KNOW THE FINAL TERMS UNTIL WE ACTUALLY RECEIVE THE
FINANCING FROM THE BANK. WE'RE WORKING ON THE BUILDING
TRANSFER AND IN MY TIMELINE, WE'RE LOOKING AT SECURING THE
FINANCING IN LATE JUNE WITH COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION AND
ACTION ON CONVEYANCE THIS EVENING, WE HAVE THE REQUIRED
30-DAY WAITING PERIOD, SO ON JUNE 22nd, IT WILL OFFICIALLY
HAPPEN. AT THAT POINT, WE WILL HAVE OUR
FINANCING IN PLACE AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT WITH THE INDICATIVE
INTEREST RATE WE'VE RECEIVED FROM A LOCAL BANK, IT'S MORE
THAN ONE PERCENT BELOW THE ESTIMATES THAT WE'VE BEEN USING.
SO WE HAVE CAPACITY. BASED ON THAT ANALYSIS, THERE
ARE REVENUES THAT GO INTO THE RESERVE ACCOUNT OVER THAT SEVEN
TO TEN-YEAR PERIOD THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO GO 2% ABOVE THE
ESTIMATED INTEREST RATE THAT WE'VE USED.
SOá-- >> THE ANSWER WOULD BE NO
BECAUSE YOU'RE GOINGá-- >> THERE'S NO CAP, RIGHT.
>> SEVEN TO TEN YEARS, YOU'RE GOING BACK OUT AGAIN.
>> YES. >> AND WHATEVER THE RATES, THE
RATES ARE. >> YES.
>> LAST SLIDE IS LOOKING AT THE TIMELINE, THINGS THAT HAVE
OCCURRED TO DATE. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE ALIGNMENT OF
THE DATES. WE HAVE THE CITY'S CONSIDERATION
FOR CONVEYANCE, NRHA WITH THE ENTITY TO BE ESTABLISHED THAT
WILL EFFECT THE LEASES, LEASE NEGOTIATIONS AND FEDERAL TAX
CREDITS LATE THIS MONTH. WE'VE ACTUALLY RECEIVED APPROVAL
OF BOTH FEDERAL AND STATE TAX CREDIT WITH THE MINOR CONDITIONS
THAT WE BELIEVE WE'LL NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS SATISFYING.
AGAIN, THE END OF JUNE, THE CONVEYANCE WILL ACTUALLY TAKE
PLACE. DEMOLITION WILL BEGIN IN THE
BEGINNING OF JULY WITH THE RENOVATIONS BEGINNING IN
BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER. OUR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS
THE PRIMARY TARGET DATE BECAUSE RIGHT AFTER THIS AUGUST 30th,
2013, TIME FRAME, THE GOVERNOR'S SCHOOL WILL BE COMING BACK IN TO
BEGIN THEIR 2013-2014 SCHOOL YEAR.
>> THAT'S GREAT. >> GREAT.
A GREAT PROJECT (INAUDIBLE). 350-SOME STUDENTS WILL BE THERE
DAILY. >> IS EVERYTHING STRAIGHT WITH
VIRGINIA STATE AS FAR AS THEIR NEED FOR STORAGE AREA, YOU KNOW
THE SPACE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE?
>> WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF DISCUSSIONS AND MY UNDERSTANDING
RIGHT NOW IS THAT THERE ARE OPTIONS ON THE TABLE.
THEY'RE NOT ALL IN ONE PLACE, BUT IT'S DOABLE.
>> AND THEY'RE SATISFIED WITH IT?
>> I THINK THAT IT'S FAIR TO SAY
THAT WHEN YOU MOVE FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER, TO SAY THEY'RE
100% SATISFIED, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S FAIR, BUT I DO
BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD SAY THAT WE'VE BEEN ACCOMMODATING TO
THEM. A LOT MORE THAN WE WOULD
NORMALLY GET IN A SALE OR A PURCHASE OF A PROPERTY.
I MEAN, THEY SET OUT TO MAKE THIS THING HAPPEN AND THEY MADE
IT HAPPEN AND I THINK THEY HAVE DONE A NICE JOB.
THANK YOU. >> OKAY.
>> MR.áMAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, I HAVE A
SERIES OF FAIRLY BRIEF PRESENTATIONS FOR YOU ON SEVERAL
LAND USE ITEMS WHICH WE HAD AT LEAST ONE PLANNING COMMISSIONER
CAST A NEGATIVE VOTE, WHICH MEANS YOU WANT THE ADDITIONAL
INFORMATION BEFORE IT COPS TO YOU.
FIRST OF THESE IS FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GASOLINE
SALES ON EAST LITTLE CREEK ROAD CALLED FAS FUEL.
THAT IS NOT A MISFOR INSTANCE, THERE'S NO "T."
IT'S FAS FUEL. WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR IS A
SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO FREIGHT AS A GAGS STATION AND THEY ALSO
WANT TO OFFER THE ABC OFF-PREMISE SALE.
THE ESTABLISHMENT IS LOCATED ONá-- NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR
CIVIC LEAGUE, BUT IT IS IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF AMELIA
SHORES, NORTH AMELIA ACRES AND EAST LYNN SARATOGA.
IT IS CURRENTLY A LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING GAS STATION AND
CONVENIENCE STORE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SPECIAL
EXCEPTION FOR GAS SALES AND WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO WAS ADD THE
OFF-PREMISE ABC SALES, WHICH THEY DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW AND WE
WOULD REQUIRE THAT THEY COME INTO CONFORMITY WITH OTHER
ORDINANCE PROVISIONS IN ORDER TO DO THAT, HENCE THE TWO SPECIAL
EXCEPTIONS COMING TO YOU IN TWO WEEKS.
THEY ARE DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL OFFICE IN THE AREA
PLAN AND THE AREA IS C-2, MEANING THE USE IS APPROPRIATE.
IF THEY GET THE TWO SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, THE STAFF
RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SINCE IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
GENERAL PLAN. THE PLANNING COMMISSION WS 5-1
FOR APPROVAL. MEMBERS AGREED WITH STAFF THAT
IT DID NEED ALL THE CRITERIA. ONE EXPRESSED THE CONCERN ABOUT
THE CONSENT STRAILTION OF THE ABC OFF PREMISE IN THE AREA.
IT'S VERY CLOSE TO A SCALE AND FOR THAT REASON, WE CREATED THIS
MAP. THIS DOES ILLUSTRATE ALL THE
LOCATIONS IN THE CITY THAT DO HAVE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR ABC
OFF-PREMISE SALES. THE TWO RED ONES ARE PENDING.
THIS ONE YOU WILL BE VOTING ON TONIGHT AND THIS IS THE SITE OF
FAS FUELS AND THERE ARE THREE SCHOOLS IN THE AREA THAT ARE
DESIGNATED BY THE FLAGS. >> THANK ON ONE SECOND.
THE FAS FUELS, IS THAT THE INTERSECTION OF THE BIGá--
>> YES. >> AND THE BLUEá--
>> THE BLUE ARE EXISTING ABCá-- AN EXISTING ESTABLISHMENT WITH
SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR ABC OFF-PREMISE SALES.
>> IF YOU REMEMBER, THE GAS STATION THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET
FROM IT, WE HAD A DEBATE ABOUT IT BECAUSE THERE WAS AN AIRPORT
GAS STATION AND THERE WAS OPPOSITION, BUT WE WEREá--
BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL ISSUE, BUT WE WERE ARGUING THAT THE
7-ELEVEN THAT'S FURTHER DOWN THE STREET, THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES
THAT WEREN'T BEING ALLOWED. MY CONCERN WITH IT IS THAT IT
AIRPORT CONVENIENCE STORE HAS BEEN THERE FOR ENOUGH TIME AND
ESTABLISHED IN THE COMMUNITY WHEREAS THESE ARE BRAND-NEW
OWNERS, I BELIEVE. THEY HAVE ONLY BEENá-- I THINK
THAT GAS STATION HAS ONLY BEEN OPEN FOR ABOUT A MONTH, MAYBE A
MONTH OR TWO MONTHS. IT JUST OPENED.
>> THE GAS STATION HAS BEEN OPEN LONGER THAN THAT.
IT WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE REQUIRED A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
>> IT'S ABOUTS THERE FOR A WHILE.
>> IT'S NONCONFORMING. >> I'M SAYING IT WAS AN EXXON
BEFORE THAT ORá-- >> IT'S BEEN A GAS STATION.
>> BUT AS FAR AS THIS COMPANY IS CONCERNED, IT HAS NOT BEEN THERE
THAT LONG. >> RIGHT.
>> THEY'RE A NEW CHAIN, I THINK, MOVING INTO THE AREA AND BUYING
UP OLD GAS STATIONS THAT HAVE CLOSED.
>> ON THE RIGHT, FRANK, YOU HAVE THE RED DOT.
I TAKE IT THAT'S THE INTERSECTION.
>> THAT IS THE FAS FUEL SITE. THIS IS THE AIRPORT QUICK MART.
>> AND WHAT'S THE ONE BEHIND IT? >> THIS IS THE 7-ELEVEN AND THIS
IS A DRUGSTORE. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHETHER IT'S A
WALGREENSá-- >> THE WALGREENS THERE IS.
IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE WALGREENS, RIGHT?
YOU'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BACK THERE.
>> YOU ARE BACK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> THAT ONE DOT IS OFF A LITTLE PROBABLY.
>> YEAH, IT'S OFF. >> THEY'RE ALL GENERALLY
CENTERED. >> BECAUSE THE 7-ELEVEN IS ON
THE SAME BLOCK AS THE WALGREENS, I'M SURE.
>> YEAH, YES, THEY ARE. >> CAN YOU POINT OUT WHERE THE
SCHOOLS ARE? >> HAVE A SCHOOLS HERE.
>> ST.áPIOUS, LITTLE CREEK. >> AND CALVARY IS THERE.
>> THESE ARE THE ONLY THREE THAT WE'RE SHOWING UP AS SCHOOLS ON
OUR RECORDS. >> CALVARY IS RIGHT THERE.
>> CALVARY IS THERE. >> YEAH.
>> WHAT'S THE CONCERN ABOUT ALCOHOL?
>> THIS ONE, AS MR. SMIGIEL INDICATED, PLANNING COMMISSION
ALSO HAS A SIMILAR RECOMMENDATION ON THIS LOCATION
OFá-- FOR THE AIRPORT QUICK MART, AND THAT GOT TO CITY
COUNCIL AND THE CITY COUNCIL ORIGINALLY DENIED IT AND THEN
THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAME OUT AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAID THAT IT
APPEARED TO THEM THAT THERE WAS A DIFFERENT TREATMENT FOR THE
BIG CHAINS AND THE SMALLER GUYS, SO YOU ASKED US TO GO BACK IN
AND REVISE THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR ABC
ESTABLISHMENTS. AND WHEN WE DID THAT, WE CAME
BACK IN AND THEYá-- AIRPORT QUICK MART CAME BACK IN AT THAT
POINT AND APPLIED AND WAS GRANTED THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION AT
THAT POINT. THERE IS NOTHINGá--
>> MY QUESTION IS, WHY WSH WHAT IS THE DATA TO DEMONSTRATE THAT
THIS IS SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT IN PROXIMITY TO A SCHOOL?
>> WE HAVE NO DATA THAT SUGGESTS THAT.
>> WELL AND THOSE SCHOOLS ARE EITHER ELEMENTARY OR MIDDLE
SCHOOLS. >> USED AS Aá--
>> I MEAN, AS WE AS A COUNCIL USED THAT AS A CRITERIA BEFORE
ONá-- >> NO.
>>á-- ON VOTING ON THIS. >> NO.
>> I KNEW WE HAD THIS POLICY ABOUT PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL
AREAS. >> AND IT WAS THIS ISSUE THAT
CALLED YOU TO REDIRECT US TO REVISIT CRITERIA AND IT STILL
DOES NOT ADDRESS PROXIMITY. IT DEALS WITH PROXIMITY TO
RESIDENTIAL USES AND TRYING TO INCREASE THE SCREENING FROM
THOSE USES. >> FRANK, REAL QUICK, DID THEY
GO TO THE CIVIC LEAGUES AND DISCUSS THIS?
>> I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW. >> I DON'T THINK THEY DID
BECAUSE NONE OF THE CIVIC LEAGUESá-- PEGGY'S CIVIC LEAGUE
DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT. >> I SENT THAT LETTER OUT OVER
MY SIGNATURE TO EVERY CIVIC LEAGUE IN THE AREA AND WE HEARD
NOTHING ON THIS ONE. WE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE ONE
THAT I'LL TALK ABOUT NOW, NEXT. WHICH IS AN EXISTING
ENTERTAINMENT ESTABLISHMENT DOWNTOWN ON GRANBY STREET, JACK
QUINN'S. THIS IS AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT IS
LOCATED IN DOWNTOWN, THEY HAVE COME IN WANTING TO AMEND THEIR
EXISTING SPECIAL EXCEPTION. WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS ADD THE
ABILITY TO HAVE ENTERTAINMENT ON THE SECOND FLOOR AND TO CHANGE
THE FORMS OF ENTERTAINMENT AND AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'RE
LOOKING TO REPLACE MANAGERS. JUST SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING
ON, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE AUTHORIZED TO BE OPEN FROM 10:00áA.M. TO
2:00áA.M. DAILY. THEY'RE LOOKING TO CHANGE THAT
TO DROP ONE HOUR PER DAY MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
THEIR HOURS FOR ALCOHOL SALES ARE PROPOSED TO REMAIN
UNCHANGED, 11:00áA.M. TO 1:45áP.M.
CAPACITY WOULD ACTUALLY GO DOWN. THIS IS BECAUSE OF A BUILDING
CODE CHANGE SINCE THEY WERE ORIGINALLY APPROVED, AND IT
WOULD DROP 242 SEATS TO 195 SEATS, THE TOTAL CAPACITY
DROPPING BY 35 PEOPLE AND WHAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED TO DO
IS FOUR-PERSON BANDS WITH TWO PIANOS AND THEY WANT TO ADD
FIVE-PERSON BANDS, KARAOKE, FASHION SHOW, COMEDIAN AND OPEN
MICROPHONE WITH THE BIGGER ISSUE BEING THEY WANT TO PUT
ENTERTAINMENT ON THE SECOND FLOOR.
YOU ASKED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT THE HISTORY.
THEY HAD INITIALLY CAME IN IN MARCH OF 2000, GOT THEIR INITIAL
SPECIAL EXCEPTION. THAT WAS REVISED IN FEBRUARY OF
2002 WHERE THEY ADDED SEATS AND MODIFIED ENTERTAINMENT.
IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR, THEY CAME IN ASKING FOR THE SAME THING
THEY'RE ASKING NOW. THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR DENIAL
BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND RATHER THAN HAVE THAT MOVE FOO,D
THEY WITHDREW THE REQUEST AT THAT TIME, HAVE WAITED THE
REQUIRED PERIOD OF TIME AND THEY'RE BRINGING BACK IN THE
EXACT SAME QUESTION THEY HAD IN JUNE OF 2011.
AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE HAD A LOTS OF PEOPLE SHOW UP.
WE HAD THE APPLICANT, OBVIOUSLY, SPOKE IN SUPPORT.
WE HAD TWO PEEKERS AND WEá-- SPEAKERS AND WE RECEIVED LETTERS
OF SUPPORT FROM TWO CITIZENS. IN OPPOSITION, WE HAD TWO
RESIDENTS OF THE CONDO ASSOCIATION, THE DEVELOPMENT
THAT IS ABOVE THE BUILDING, AND WE ALSO HAD LETTERS OF
OPPOSITION FROM THE DOWNTOWN NORFOLK CIVIC LEAGUE AND THE
FORTLOCK CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION AND THEIR COMPLAINT IS THE ISSUE
OF THE NOISE OF ENTERTAINMENT GENERATED ON THE SECOND FLOOR,
WHICH THEY HAVE HAD IN THE PAST AND IT'S BEEN AN ISSUE WITH THE
TASK FORCE BECAUSE BASED ON THEIR SPECIAL EXCEPTION, IT'S
NOT ALLOWED, AND CONSIDERING THE IMPACT OF NOISE ON THE RESIDENTS
OF THE CONDOS THAT ARE IMMEDIATELY ABOVE THE AREA ON
THE SECOND FLOOR WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO HAVE ENTERTAINMENT,
OUR RECOMMENDATION IS DENIAL. PLANNING COMMISSION BY A
UNANIMOUS 6-0 VOTE ALSO RECOMMENDED DENIAL CONSIDERING
THE IMPACT OF THE NOISE ON RESIDENTS IMMEDIATELY ABOVE
WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO THE ENTERTAINMENT.
>> HOW MANY CONDOS ARE THERE? >> NO THE BUILDING, I DON'T
KNOW. >> WHAT WAS THEIR RESPONSE WHEN
IT WAS MENTIONEDS THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE THE FLOOR ABOVE YOU AND
YOU WANT TO PUT A BAND ON THAT SECOND FLOOR?
WHAT WAS THEIR RESPONSE? I MEAN, DID THEYá-- WAS THERE
ANY ISSUE AT ALL? DID THEY CARE, DID THEY
APOLOGIZE? SAY WE'RE INSULATED AND THEY ONE
HEAR US? >> WHAT THEY HAVE INDICATED
THERE IS SOME INSULATION THAT THEY THINK WOULD WORK.
THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE BY MR.áDIAMONDSTEEN ON THE PLANNING
COMMISSION, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT IN OPPOSITION ARE
PEOPLE WHO LIVE IMMEDIATELY ABOVE IT, WE'RE GETTING THIS
MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT NOISE AND YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE
ENTERTAINMENT HERE, WE CAN IMAGINE HOW MUCH NOISE IT WOULD
BE IF YOU PUT ENTERTAINMENT THERE.
>> I THOUGHT IT WAS A 12-HOUR USE.
>> THEY WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE ENTERTAINMENT UP THERE AND
THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT THE ENTERTAINMENT TASK FORCE HAS
GONE IN AND HAVE REPEATED GLIESHS SO ARE THEY GOING TO
WITHDRAW THIS LIKE THEY DID THE LAST TIME?
>> NO. >> WHAT IS THE RATIONALE ON
THAT? >> WHY DO I THINK THEY'RE NOT
GOING TO WITHDRAW IT? I THINK THEY WANT TO MAKE THEIR
ARGUMENT IN FRONT OF YOU. >> I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE THEY
WITHDREW IT LAST TIME THEY HAD A DENIAL.
>> THE OTHER ISSUES THEY HAD LAST TIMEá--
[áSPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLYá] >> WHY CAN'T THEY FLIP IT,
FRANK? HONESTLY, WHY CAN'T THEY MOVE
THE ENTERTAINMENT DOWNSTAIRS AND FLIP IT UP STAIRS.
>> THAT WOULD BE AN OPERATIONAL ISSUE AS FAR AS THEM.
>> THEY HAVE THE MUSIC DOWNSTAIRS.
>> THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE NOW. >> YEAH, THEY DO HAVE
ENTERTAINMENT DOWNSTAIRS. >> SO THEY WANT A FOUR-PIECE
BANDá-- >> YOU'RE SAID THEY'RE TRYING TO
RUN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES. >> TWO DIFFERENT ESTABLISHMENTS.
>> IT WILL BE TWO NAMES UNDER A SINGLE PERMIT.
>> FRANK, I NEW THAT DEAL WHEN IT SOLD, IT WAS GSH IT WAS
ALWAYS TWO PEOPLE, ONE PERSON OWNS THE BOTTOM AND ANOTHER
PERSON OPENS THE TOP AND THEY NEVERá-- I KNEW THAT WAS GOING
TO BE AN ISSUE. >> IT ALWAYS IS WHEN YOU HAVE
CONDOS DIRECTLY OFF ABOVE AN ENTERTAINMENT ESTABLISHMENT.
THE OTHER REASON THEY WITHDREW LAST TIME IS PLANNING COMMISSION
TRIED TO GET A DEAL BETWEEN THE CONDO STOE, AND THE CLUB
PROPOSED THAT THE HOURS FOR ENTERTAINMENT ON THE SECOND
FLOOR FOR ALL AMPLIFIED NOISE END AT 10:00áP.M.
THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CLUB AGREED TO THAT AT PLANNING
COMMISSION. THE OWNER OF THE CLUB, WHEN HE
FOUND OUT WHAT HIS REPRESENTATIVE HAD DONE, SAID HE
DIDN'T AGREE WITH THAT AND I SAID, I ONE CHANGE IT BECAUSE
THIS IS WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED.
YOU HAVE TO COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND ASK IT TO BE CHANGED
AND HE WITHDREW THE APPLICATION RATHER THAN DO THAT.
SO I THINK I HAVE ONE MORE TO GIVE YOU TONIGHT AND THEN WE'LL
HOLD OFF ON THE OTHER ONE. THIS IS FOR NICK'S DINER, WHICH
IS FOR AN EXISTING NONCONFORMING USE IN OESHVIEW.
IT IS A RESTAURANT RIGHT NOW AND WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS THEY
WANT TO CHANGE IT TO AN EATING AND DRINKING ESTABLISHMENT.
THEY WANT THE ABILITY TO OFFER ALCOHOL.
IT IS A LEGALLY NONCONFORMING USE, JUST TO GIVE YOU WHERE IT
IS, IT IS IN THE COTTAGE ONE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S OPERATED
AS A RESTAURANT FOR 30 YEARS. >> IT'S BEEN THERE ON VERY LONG
TIME. >> THE ISSUE YOU'VE GOT IS THAT
ITS ZONING IS RESIDENTIAL AND BY ORDINANCE, YOU CANNOT ISSUE A
SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR ALCOHOL UNLESS THE ZONING IS
NON-RESIDENTIAL. SO THEY CAME IN AND THEY FILED
FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT. THIS IS THE BUILDING IT IS IN
AND THEY FILED FOR A PLAN AMENDMENT AND A REZONING TO GO
FROM R-12 MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO CONDITIONAL C-2.
CONDITIONS PROPOSED WOULD LIMIT THE USE.
>> HANG ON. BEFORE YOU GO ON, GO BACK REAL
QUICK. >> YES, SIR.
>> ALL RIGHT. THE RED MARKERS ON THE CURRENT
ESTABLISHMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
>> YES. >> TO THE RIGHT OF THE RED
MARKERá-- >> BEACH PUB WHERE THEY JUST HAD
THE SHOOTING. >> RIGHT.
IS IT BEACH PUB NOW OR WAS IT BEFORE?
>> IT'S GRANDFATHERED IN. >> THEY'RE A GRANDFATHERED
ESTABLISHMENT. >> BUT ISN'T THAT A BEER GARDEN
KIND OF PLACE? IT'S NOT A RESTAURANT?
>> IT'S MORE Aá-- >> I APPS BEER, A BEER GARDEN.
>> WHAT'S RIGHT BEHIND IT? >> THIS WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED
BY CITY COUNCIL, I WANT TO SAY, AS A WAVE RUNNER ESTABLISHMENT.
IT'S NOW USED AS OFFICES. [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>> YES. SO THIS ACTUALLY DOá-- GIVES YOU
AN IDEA. >> MR.áPANCAKE.
>> NOW IT'S NICK'S. >> THE PANCAKE THING WAS ACROSS
THE STREET, WASN'T IT? >> NO, THEY GOTá-- SOMETHING
HAPPENED AND THEY MOVED ACROSS THE STREET.
AND NO, IT'S NICK'S. >> OKAY.
>> FOR THE MOST PART, IT'Sá-- [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>> SO THIS SHOWS YOU THE ZONING PATTERN OR THE PLAN AMENDMENT
PATTERN AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE PLAN AMENDMENT IS THAT IF
YOU LOOK UP CHESAPEAKE STREET, THIS IS A SINGLE ISOLATED
RESIDENTIALLY DESIGNATED PARCEL ON THE EAST SIDE OF CHESAPEAKE
STREET IN THIS AREA. THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF
THIS PROPERTY WAS DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL BY CITY COUNCIL IN
2002. PRIOR TO THAT, ALL OF THIS WAS
RESIDENTIAL AND YOU ONLY HAD THE COMMERCIAL ON THE SOUTHSIDE OF
OCEANVIEW. THE ZONING REFLECTS THE EXACT
SAME THING. YOU HAVE THIS ONE ISOLATED
PARCEL ON THE EAST SIDE OF CHESAPEAKE STREET.
AND THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY HAVE GOT WERE AS I INDICATED
LIMITED TO A RESTAURANT OR EATING AND DRINKING
ESTABLISHMENT, AND THEY ALSO COMMITTED TO LIMIT THE HOURS.
WHAT THE ZONING WOULD DO WOULD BE ELIMINATE THE NON-CONFORMING
STATUS OF THE PROPERTY. SO WHAT THEY HAVE PROPOSED IS TO
LIMIT THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION FROM 5:00áA.M. TO 6:00áP.M.,
THEIR HOURS FOR ALCOHOL SALES FROM 11:00áA.M. TO 6:00áP.M.
A VERY SMALL PLACE, MAXIMUM CAPACITY IS 48 SEATS, HOUSING 51
PEOPLE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE SERVICE STAFF.
>> ARE THEY GOING TO STOP SELLING ALCOHOL AT 6:00?
>> THAT'S THEIR PROPOSAL. THEY REALLY WANT TO BE ABLE TO
DO BREAKFAST, LUNCH, AND EARLY ARCH.
>> Reporter: THEY NORMALLY CLOSED ON DINNER?
>> THEY CLOSE AT 6:00. >> THAT'S WHEN THEY CLOSE THE
RESTAURANT. >> THEY OPEN AT 5:00áA.M.
SO IT IS VERY LIMITED HOURS. >> THIS WAS ANOTHER ONE WHERE WE
HAD MAJOR ISSUES AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE HAD LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THREE CIVIC LEAGUES, WHICH WAS
SOMEWHAT UNUSUAL. NORTH SIDE, PINEWELL, AND
BAYVIEW OFFERED LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR THIS.
WE HAD THREE CITIZENS WHO LIVE IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA COME OUT
IN OPPOSITION BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY OF THE
COMMERCIAL ZONING ON THE NORTH SIDE FROM OCEANVIEW AND THE
COTTAGE LINE CIVIC LEAGUE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY LOCATED, ALSO CAME
OUT IN OPPOSITION. WELL, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS
APPROVAL OF THE PLAN AMENDMENT BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE OF
CONDITIONS REPRESENTED BY THE 2002 APPROVAL OF THE COMMERCIALS
TO THE NORTH OF THIS SITE. IF THAT WAS APPROVED, WEED
RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING BASED ON CONSISTENCY
WITH THE ADOPTED PLAN, AND THEN IF THAT WAS APPROVED, WE WOULD
RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION BASED ON THE
SMALL SIZE AND LIMITED HOURS OF THE ESTABLISHMENT.
PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED DENIAL BY A VOTE OF 5-1.
>> WHO WAS THE ONE THAT WASá-- >> LISA CHAMPION.
THE FIVE WHO VOTED IN OPPOSITION SAID THEY WERE LISTENING TO THE
IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT TO THE LARGER AREA.
THE ONE PERSON WHO WASá-- WHO VOTED IN OPPOSITION, VOTED IN
FAVOR OF THE ESTABLISHMENT, INDICATED THAT THEY AGREED WITH
THE STAFF ANALYSIS AND THOUGHT THAT THE CHANGE MADE MORE SENSE.
>> THE COTTAGE LANE CIVIC LEAGUE VOTED AGAINST IT AND ONE OF THE
CONCERNS IS RIGHT WHEN THE APPLICANT HAD TURNED IN THE
APPLICATION, THERE WAS THE INCIDENTS HAPPENING AT THE BEACH
CLUB, AND SO THERE WAS A LOT OF WORRY THAT PUTTING ANOTHER
ESTABLISHMENT THAT SELLS ALCOHOL THERE, BUT RIGHT ACROSS THE
TREAT, ON TODAY'S AGENDA, IS THE 905 CAFE ASKING TO EXTEND THEIR
HOURS TO 11:00 AND THERE IS AN INTEREST FOR RESTAURANTS IN THAT
AREA AND THE APPLICANT DID SPEAK WITH ALL THE CIVIC LEAGUES IN
THAT AREA. I WAS PRESENT AT TWO OF THE
MEETINGS AT WHICH HE WAS SPOKE AND WHICH THERE WASá-- THEY WERE
IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION AND I'VE HEARD FROM THE COTTAGE LANE
CIVIC LEAGUE. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT ORIGINAL
AREA WAS SUPPOSED TOá-- ORIGINALLY, THERE WAS A CONCEPT
OF PUTTING CONDOS THERE WITH SOME BUSINESSES UNDERNEATH IT.
I THINK THAT FELL THROUGH WITH THE ECONOMY, WHICH IS WHY THAT
MIGHT HAVEá-- THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME ZONING CHANGES.
FRANKá-- >> IN 2002.
>> YEAH, THERE WAS A BIG PLAN TO DO SOMETHING OVER THERE AND THE
PRORPS OWNERS WERE GOING TOá-- PROPERTY OWNERS WERE GOING TO
GET TOGETHER. >> IS THERE ANYá-- DO WE HAVE
ANY PROVISIONS THAT WE CAN DO A TEMPORARYá-- I MEAN, IF WES A
PRF THIS, IT'S FOREVER UNLESS WE GO BACK AND TAKE IT AWAY, BUT
SOMEBODY HAD SUGGESTED, CAN WE DO A ONE-YEAR TYPEá--
>> YOU CANá-- >> PUT A SUNSET CLAUSE ON IT BUT
MAYBE NOT CHARGE THE APPLICANT THE SAME FEES TO COME BACK IF
EVERYTHING IS OKAY, THAT IT CAN AUTOMATICALLY GET RENEWED?
>> YOU CAN DO AND YOU HAVE DONE IN A NUMBER OF INSTANCES A
SUNSET ON PLACES THAT ARE SERVING ALCOHOL IN THE SPECIAL
EXCEPTION. WE RECOMMEND IF YOU'RE GOING TO
DO THAT, YOU MAKE IT 18 MONTHS AS OPPOSED TO A YEAR AND THE
REASON FOR THAT IS IF YOU DO IT FOR A YEAR, PEOPLE ARE COMING IN
BEFORE WE HAVE A FULL YEAR'S WORTH OF DATA TO EVALUATE, SO IN
CONSULTATION WITH THE ATTORNEYS, WE'VE RECOMMENDED YOU ADD THAT
SUNSET PROVISION, THAT THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION BE GOOD FOR 18
MONTHS. BECAUSE THAT DOES GIVE US A FULL
12 MONTHS TO DO A COMPLETE EVALUATION.
>> DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE TO PAY THE FEES AND EVERYTHING
AGAIN AFTER THE 18 MONTHS? >> WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED THAT IS
WE DEVELOP AN ALTERNATIVE FEE SCHEDULE THAT WOULD LAY OUT SOME
TIERED AMOUNTS FOR EXACTLY THIS KIND OF SITUATION.
BUT THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THAT OUR FEES ARE THE
LOWEST IN THE REGION AND THEY DON'T EVEN COVER THE COST OF
ADVERTISING THE ITEMS. >> FRANK, HOW MANYá--
[ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ] >> I DON'T REMEMBER EVER.
>> WE DID IT FOR GRANBY'S THEATER.
>> OH, THAT WASá-- >> THAT ONE, WE DID, THAT ONE
DRAGGED ON FOR MANY YEARS AND THAT WAS ONE WE WERE DOING IT
FOR A YEAR AND IT WAS LIKE EVERY SIX MONTHSá--
>> HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TOá-- BY THE TIME YOU PUT YOUR
CAPITAL COSTS IN, THAT'S A TOUGH THING.
>> WE'VE DONE IT FOR, I WANT TO SAY THREE PLACES, OTHER THAN
GRANBY THEATER. IT IS NOT DONE FREQUENTLY.
WE'VE DONE IT FOR THE CARIBBEAN PLACE OUT ON VIRGINIA BEACH
BOULEVARD BECAUSE THEY HADá-- IT SPECIFICALLY HAD NOT BEEN A
PLACE LIKE YOU'RE SEEING HERE. IT'S TYPICALLY PLACE WHERE THE
POLICE REPORT IS INDICATING WE HAVE HAD SOME ISSUES AT THE
SITE. >> FRANK, THEY WON'T TO CLOSE AT
6:00. WHAT IS TO KEEP THEM, ONCE THEY
GET ALL THIS, TO COME BACK AND STAY OPEN UNTILá--
>> THEY WOULD HAVE TO GETá-- WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT THEY
HAVE PROPOSED, IT WOULD REQUIRE A REZONING BECAUSE THIS IS A
CONDITION OF THE REZONING. IT WOULD REQUIRE A CHANGE OF
ZONING AS WELL AS THEY NEED A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
>> OKAY. >> HAVE THEY ALWAYS CLOSED AT
6:00? >> TOO MY KNOWLEDGE, BECAUSEá--
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, BECAUSE THE ONLYá-- THEY NEVER TALKED TO US
ABOUT EXTENDING THE HOURS EARLIER.
THE ONLY ISSUES THEY TALKED TO US ABOUT WAS HOW EARLY CAN WE
BEGIN TO SELL ALCOHOL? AND WE HELD THEM TO THE POLICY
THAT WE HAVE BEEN APPLYING CITYWIDE, WHICH IS THAT YOU
DON'T BEGIN BEFORE 11:00áA.M., WHICH IS WHY THEY SAID WE'LL
LIVE WITH THAT IF THAT'S THE CITY POLICY.
>> OKAY. AND WE'LL SAVE THE LAST ONE FOR
LATER. >> ALL RIGHT.
NOTHING GOOD HAPPENS UNTIL 6:00áP.M.
[ LAUGHTER ] >> ALL RIGHT, MR.áMANAGER.
>> MR.áMAYOR AND COUNCIL, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE
OVERVIEW TONIGHT, WE WILL HAVEá-- THE COUNCIL HAD AN
OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THEá-- MY RECOMMENDATION RELATED TO WATER
SIDE. AND WE WANTED TO SET ASIDE SOME
TIME TONIGHT IF THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE
FOR US TO GATHER IN PREPARATION OF THAT MEETING, I COULD SAVE IT
FOR LAST AND WE CAN DO THE HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS OR GO
INTO IT RIGHT NOW. WHATEVER THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE.
>> LET'S DO IT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE SCHEDULED FOR 7:00, RIGHT, AND
FOR THE COUNCIL'S BENEFIT, I THOUGHT WE'D WANT TO NOT
SCHEDULE ANYTHING ELSE THAT DAY SO WE COULD FOCUS ON THIS, BUT I
THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD JUDGED, TALKINGá-- GOOD IDEA,
TALKING WITH THE MANAGER, IF WE HAVE SPECIAL CONCERNS, THERE MAY
NOT BE MUCH, BUT IF THERE IS, THAT THEY CAN GET IT OUT ON THE
TABLE BEFORE THAT MEETING, THEN THIS WOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE
TIME TO ASK IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS ORá-- WE CAN GO AROUND THE TABLE
OR RAISE OUR HAND. ANY WAY YOU WANT.
>> THIS IS THE DISCUSSION WITH CORDISH.
>> YES, RIGHT. >> I THINK WE NEEDá-- THE KEY
ISSUES ARE GOING TO BE THE LEASEá--
>> THE WHAT? >> THE LEASE TERM, SIGNIFICANT
NO KNOW WHAT THE TERM IS. PAYMENTS, WHAT THE PAYMENTS
WOULD BE. HOW THEY WOULD BE STRUCTURED.
I GO ON, PAUL, DO YOU MIND? >> SURE, SURE.
>> YOU HAD MENTIONED ALSO SOMETHING ABOUT SOME CREDITS AND
I'M CURIOUS WHAT CREDITS THEY'RE SEEKING.
I THINK THAT WAS MENTIONED AT SOME POINT WHEN YOU MENTIONED
CORDISH. I THINK THAT, I'VE SEEN THE
PICTURES OF RESTAURANTS AND THINGS.
WHAT ELSE BESIDES RESTAURANTS AND BARS WOULD BE PLACED WITHIN
THE WATERSIDE ITSELF? AND THIRD, THERE'Sá-- I'VE SEEN
THE NUMBER 12 TO 13, BUT IN REALITY, MARCUS, IS THAT
SOMETHING THAT'S REALISTIC? MEANING IS IT ABOUT EITHER TO
START WITH THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE, A LEGITIMATE NUMBER THAT
APPEARS LEGITIMATE TO US AND THEN MOVING ON AND EXPANDING
FROM THERE? AND THEN WHAT WOULD THEY DO WITH
THE REMAINDER OF THE FACILITY IF YOU ONLY START WITH THREE OR
FOUR OR FIVE RESTAURANTS, WHAT ELSE WOULD THEY DO.
ALSO, WOULD THEY SEEKá-- AND I'VE BEEN ONLINE AND LOOKED
ATá-- WAS IT PIKE'S PLACE, WHICH REALLY APPEARS TO BE A SHOPPING
MALL TO ME, WHAT I SAW ONLINE, BUT WHAT ELSE WOULD THEY PLAN ON
INTEGRATINGá-- AND I MAY HAVE ASKED YOU THISá-- SUCH AS THE
MENTION OF A FISH MARKET, IS THAT VIABLE?
A FARMER'S MARKET, THAT IS VIABLE IN THAT AREA?
I THINK ALSO WE NEED TO CONSIDER OURSELVES PARKING.
DO WEá-- IF WE EXPECT PEOPLE TO COME DOWNTOWN, WE MAY WANT TO
DISCUSSá-- I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR CORDISH OR NOT, BUT
PERHAPS A WATERSIDE GARAGE AFTER, SAY, 6:00áP.M., NO FEE,
SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. WE RECOUP IT BACK SOMEHOW
THROUGH SALES WITHIN WATERSIDE OR WATERSIDE ITSELF.
I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING ANYTHING ABOUT THE MARINA, AND WOULD
THEYá-- IN PARTICULAR, WOULD THERE BE RESTRUCTURING OF THE
MARINA, AND IF SO, WHAT WOULD BEá-- OR WHAT WOULD BE THEIR
STUDY OR FOCUS ON CAPTURINGá-- BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU, I
WATCHED THE YACHTS COME THROUGH THEá-- OUR OWN INNER HARBOR AND
AS THEY COME THROUGH, THEYá-- A LOT OF THEM JUST GO RIGHT PAST
US. WHAT WOULD THEY SEEK TO CAPTURE
THAT BUSINESS? WOULD THEY CONTEMPLATE, LET'S
SAY, PUTTING A WES MARINE OR THAT TYPE OF A FACILITY WITHIN
WATERSIDE THAT ALLOWS ACCESS TO BOATERS AND YACHTS?
I MEAN, THOSE ARE JUST OFF THE CUFF THINGS THAT I'VE TALKED OR
MENTIONED TO OTHERS. >> ARE YOU GOING TO LEAVE
ANYTHING FOR US TO BRING UP? >> SORRY.
NO, YOU KNOW, BUT I'VE BEEN HOLDING IT IN, TOM.
[ LAUGHTER ] >> BARCLAY, LET IT OUT, MAN.
>> THAT WAS GOOD, YOU COVERED EVERYTHING I WANTED TO BRING UP.
>> BUT I THINK THAT THE LEASE TERMS, GOING BACK TO THIS AGAIN,
I MEAN, I THINK THE LEASE IS REALLY THEá-- THE FINANCIAL PART
OF THE DEAL, AND THE TERMS ARE SIGNIFICANT, COSTS ARE
SIGNIFICANT. AND I'M GOING TO USE, FOR LACK
OF A BETTER TERM AND I APOLOGIZE TO CITY ATTORNEY, THE RECAPTURE
OF IT. IF THERE IS NOá-- IF THERE'S NO
PERFORMANCE, HOWá-- IF THE PERFORMANCE LACKS PROJECTEDá--
YOU KNOW, ARE THE PROJECTIONS PART OF THE LEASE OR IS THAT
SEPARATE EXHIBIT OR DOCUMENT THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED PART OF
THE LEASE AND IF IT'S NOT, WHAT RECAPTURE DO WE HAVE AS A REMEDY
OR WHAT REMEDIES WOULD EXIST SHORT OF RECAPTURE, TAKING THE
PROPERTY BACK OVER, THAT THEY WOULD IN TURN PAY US PERHAPS?
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CERTAIN FEE THAT WE MAY AMORTIZE OVER
TIME, SO IT'S JUST THOSE TYPE OF ISSUES AND I APOLOGIZE, THOSE
AREá-- I WAS HOLDING THEM AND GLAD I WAS FIRST TO GETá-- AND
IF I THINK OF THE OTHERS THAT I HAD IN MY HEAD, I'LL LET YOU
KNOW. >> MARCUS, WOULD THE MARINA BE A
PART OF THAT? BECAUSE WE HAVE A SEPARATE RFP
ON THE STREETS SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PART OF THAT.
>> WE DO HAVE A SEPARATE RFP ON THE STREET, SO I'M HOPING IN THE
DISCUSSION, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T MAKE
SENSEá-- >> YOU SHOULD HAVE A SEPARATE
THING ON THAT, BASICALLY THEIR VISION OF WHAT THEY WOULD DO.
>> WE STILL WANT TO HAVE A STORE OR SOMETHING THAT CATERS TO SNOW
BIRDS, THEY BYPASS OUR AREA, BUT HOW DO WE GET THEM TO COME IN IF
WE HAVE SOME KIND OF SHOPS IN THERE THAT CATER TO OUR BOATERS.
>> IN FACT, BEYOND THE SHOPS AND ALSO FACILITIES, SHOWERS ANDá--
>> RIGHT, I MENTION THAT. >> THERE ARE ISSUES WITH STORING
OF GASOLINE IN THAT LOCATION TOO, I UNDERSTAND.
MARCUS, IN THEIR PROPOSAL, DIDN'T THEY SAY THEY WANTED TO
CONTROL THE MARINA? >> I WOULD SAY THATá--
>> I MEAN IN THEIR WRITTEN? DIDN'T THEY ABSOLUTE SAYá-- I
DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE WAS THERE. YES, YES, OKAY.
SO THEYá-- IN THEIR PROPOSAL, WRITTEN PROPOSAL, THEY SAID IT'S
NECESSARY FOR THEM TO CONTROL THE MARINA, AND SO I THINKá-- I
TAKE IT THAT'S A MATTER FOR DISCUSSION.
>> YES. >> OKAY.
PAUL, DO YOU HAVEá-- >> YES.
THE ONLY THING THAT I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING WAS THE TOTAL SALE OF
THE PROPERTY MINUS THE MARINA. SEE IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN,
YOU KNOW, FIGURING OUT HOW MUCH IT WOULDá-- THE SALE WOULD BE
AND ASK THEM IF THEY WANT TO BUY IT.
THAT GETS US OUT OF IT AND THEY WILL JUST BE PAYING US TAXES.
IT GETS US OUT AND GIVES US A, YOU KNOW, A GOOD PIECE OF CHANGE
FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH. AND WE'D JUST BE OUT OF THAT
BUSINESS AND NEVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT AGAIN.
>> BARCLAY, DO YOU WANTá-- >> I'M NOT SURE I'M IN FAVOR OF
SELLING IT. THAT'S SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED.
MY BIG CONCERN IS, WHATEVER THEY PUT IN THERE BRINGS NEW MONEY
IN, IT DOESN'T DILUTE WHAT'S ALREADY DOWNTOWN, WHAT'S ALREADY
BEEN SPENT IN OUR CITY. I WANT A REASONá-- AND I DON'T
KNOW WHAT THAT THAT IS, BUT CHESAPEAKE, SUFFOLK, VIRGINIA
BEACH, WHATEVER, TO SAY LET'S GO TO NORFOLK TONIGHT.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SWEAT BLOOD DOWN THERE ON GRANBY
STREET AND BUILT UP RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES AND WHAT HAVE
YOU. WE DON'T WANT TO DILUTE WHAT
THEY HAVE GOT. I WANT ANOTHERá-- I WANT AN
ATTRACTION THERE, I GUESS. HOW THEY DO THAT, I'M NOTá--
THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN. >> LET ME SAY ONE THING.
YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD THE CONCERN ABOUT DILUTING GRANBY STREET,
BUT WHAT COMES TO MY MIND IS COLLEY AVENUE, 21st AND 22nd
STREET ALREADY DILUTING GRANBY STREET ANDá--
>> I'M NOT SURE THAT'S TRUE. SOME THOUGHT THAT IT HELPS.
>> THAT'S WHAT OUR CONSULTANT SAID.
>> SAID WHAT? >> THAT IT WOULD HELP, BRING NEW
PEOPLE IN AND THEN THEY WOULD GO TO THE GRANBY STREET PLACE.
>> BUT THE BIG POINT IS GETTING NEW PEOPLE DOWNTOWN, HOWEVER
THAT WORKS. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAD A
CONSULTANT THATá-- I THINK WE DID A SURVEY.
>> NO, THE CONSULTANT SAID HE LOOKED AT BOTH CORNISH AND THE
OTHER ONE AND FELT THAT IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE (INAUDIBLE).
>> OKAY. >> THEY WILL IN THIS ALSO.
THEIR CONCEPT IS THAT MARKET SHAI, WE'VE CAPTURED A BIGGER
PIECE OF MARKET SHARE THAT'S HERE, BUT AGAIN, SUSTAINABLE
(INAUDIBLE). >> I THINK ANDY IS PRETTY MUCH
SAID IT. MY CONCERN IS OUR LIABILITY
THERE IF THIS DOESN'T WORK. AND IF BUSINESSES FAIL OR IF
THIS FAILS, YOU KNOW, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT.
AND THEN I DON'T THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE IN THE BUSINESS OF
DECIDING, NECESSARILY, WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO GIVE UP ALL RESPONSIBILITY TO THEM
ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF RESTAURANTS THEY CHOOSE.
I'M VED CONCERNED ABOUT NOT HAVING SOME LOCAL BUSINESSES AND
NOT JUST LOOKING LIKE ANOTHER TOWN CENTER.
>> MARCUS, I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF STUFF, BUT INCLUDED IN THIS,
AND I GOT SOMETHING FROM YOUá-- OF ANY DISCUSSION WE HAVE OR
DEAL WE STRIKE WITH THEM, WOULD BE A LAND DISPOSITION WHICH
WOULD SET FORTH CERTAIN PARAMETERS IN THAT IT WOULD
ADDRESS JUST WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT.
THEY WOULD ALL BE, YOU KNOW, SIZE, SCOPE, THE LOOK.
I MEAN, YOU CAN TIGHTEN THAT STUFF PRETTY WELL DOWN AND STILL
GIVE THEM ENOUGH ROOM TO BE ENTREPRENEURS.
WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT YEARS AGO WITH ACTUALLYá-- YOU KNOW,
WITH THE MacARTHUR CENTER, THE THINGS THAT WE REQUIRED CERTAIN
FIRST-CLASS, WHAT WAS CONSIDERED A FIRST-CLASS FACILITY.
WE WERE ABLE TO REFERENCE OTHER FACILITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY
THAT WE EXPECTED THIS TO LOOK LIKE, THAT WE HAD CERTAIN
BENCHMARKS AND IT CAN GET PRETTY SOPHISTICATED ABOUT WHAT YOU
WANT, SO WE'LL HAVE TO KEEP OUR EYES WIDE OPEN AND MAKE SURE WE
GETá-- >> THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD
RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
>> YES. [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>> LIKE OVER AT THE MacARTHUR CENTER, THEY COULDN'T GO DOWN
AND GET, I DON'T REMEMBER, LIKE A DOLLAR TREE AND PUT IT UP
THERE IN A THIRD PAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THERE WERE ONLY CERTAIN STORES THAT WE WOULD PERMIT TO GO TO A
THIRD FAD AND THAT'S PRETTY WELL (INAUDIBLE).
ALL RIGHT, MR.áVICE MAYOR? >> ONE THING, JUST TO PIGGY BACK
TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID, I KNOW THEY WOULD GO THROUGH A PROCESS
WITH THE COMMUNITY, SO THE COMMUNITY WOULD DRIVE IT, AND
THEY WERE VERY SPECIFIC IN STAYING THAT, THAT THE COMMUNITY
WILL DRIVE, THEY CAN COME IN AND HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH
THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE AND THEY
THOUGHT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE LOCAL FLAVOR, SO THEY
WOULD PIGGYBACK ON THOSE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THIS
COMMUNITY AS WELL AS TO THE REGION.
SO THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS THEY WOULD GO THROUGH.
THEY WOULDN'T JUST COME IN AND SAY WE WANT TO BRING THIS, THIS,
THIS, THIS. THERE'S AN ORIENTATION THAT THEY
GO THROUGH, AGAIN, JUST LIKE WE WENT THROUGH THE SURVEYS AND
THAT'S THE PIECE THAT GAVE ME SOME COMFORT BECAUSE THEY WERE
GOING TO EMBRACE THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST COME IN HERE AND DECIDE
WHAT'S GOING OBJECT WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS GOODá-- TO BE WHAT
THEY THOUGHT WAS GOOD AND AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY WANT
IT TO WORK. MY QUESTION HAS NOTHING TO DO
WITH YOU. YOU CAN HEAR ME TALK ABOUT THAT
ALL DAY LONG, BUT MY QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT
THIS SOME TIME AGO, ABOUT GRANBY STREET, AND WE KEEP TALKING
ABOUT HOW DO WE REINVIGORATE GRANBY STREET.
AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE HAVE THE, THE -- WHAT IS ITá--
>> URBAN OUTFITTERS. >> URBAN OUTFITTERS THAT'S
COMING, BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO STREETSCAPE GRANBY
STREET. IT NEEDS TO BE A DESTINATION.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE LIGHTS ON THE LAMP POLES.
YOU GO THERE AT NIGHT AND YOU HAVE SOME TREES LIT UP, SOME
TREES NOT LIT UP, SOME OF THE TREATMENTS AROUND THE TREES ARE
DYING. SOME ARE NOT DONE.
THERE'S NO CONSISTENCY, AND SO IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, FOR
GRANBY TO BE COME ALIVE, IT NEEDS TO BE A DESTINATION.
I DON'T KNOW WHY OR WHAT THE IMPEDIMENT IS, YOU KNOW,
STOPPING US FROM PUTTING THE LIGHTS ON THE TREES THAT WOULD
AT LEAST GIVE IT A DESTINATION, WHEN PEOPLE COME DOWNTOWN, THEY
SAY, OKAY, IT'S WELL LIT, IT LOOKS GOOD, AND THEN PEOPLE
START TO KIND OF FILTERING, YOU KNOW, IN AND AROUND GRANBY
STREET TO SEE WHAT'S THERE. BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME EFFORT,
IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO DO IT BY ITSELF, AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE
OWNING RESTAURANTS THERE HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS,
BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE HAVE A PART TO DO IN THAT, IN TERMS OF
MAKING IT A DESTINATION. SOá--
>> ALL RIGHT. [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>> ANGELIA? THE SHORTEST TALKER.
>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS, YOU KNOWá-- IT'S AN
ATTRACTIVE PLACE, IT'S AN ATTRACTIVEá-- THIS DOESN'Tá--
YOU KNOW, THE ACTUALá-- LIKE BARCLAY SAID, IT ATTRACTS NEW
PEOPLE AND BRINGS IN NEW MONEY. PEOPLE WHO WOULD NOT ORDINARILY
COME HERE. I THINK THE PARKING AFTER 6:00
OR 7:00, WHATEVER TIME FREE PARKING, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT
IDEA. SOME OF THE FINANCE PEOPLE OVER
THERE I SEE HAVING A FIT. >> THERE'S ONE GARAGE THAT'S
RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. >> BUT IT IS AN ATTRACTION TO
HAVE FREE PARKING SOMEWHERE. >> RIGHT.
>> NEAR WATERSIDE, IT'S ATTRACTIVE.
IT'S ATTRACTIVE, YOU KNOW. I MEAN N TOWN CENTER, IT FREE
ALL DAY, ALL NIGHT, WHENEVER YOU WANT TO GO.
>> THEY DON'T HAVE LIGHT RAIL. >> AND THAT'S TRUE TOO, BUT I
MEAN, AFTER 6:00 OR 7:00 OR WHATEVER THE TIME IS, OR MAYBE
IF IT'S NOT FREE, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, A DOLLAR OR TWO DOLLARS,
SOME FLAT FEE. >> ON THE WAY COMING IN.
>> RIGHT, THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PAY AND THAT'S
IT. WHATEVER I HAD, I WANT IT TO BE
PROFITABLE TO THE CITY. I WANT THE CITIZENSá-- THEY SAID
THEY WANT IT TO REMAIN FAMILY FRIENDLY AND IF I'M NOT
MISTAKEN, THE CITIZENS ALSO SAID THEY WANTED US TO MAINTAIN SOME
KIND OF CONTROL OVER IT, SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF SELLING IT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A SHORT-TERM FIX WITH SHORT-TERM
MONEY AND I THINK THAT IF THEY'RE GOING TO INVEST
$28.9áMILLION, THEY HAVE IT IN THAT GAZE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO
WANT TO SEE A RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT AND I DON'T THINKá--
I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO LET IT
FLOP WITH $28.9áMILLION INVESTED IN THAT PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S MYá-- >> I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY
SAID. I WANT TOá--
[ LAUGHTER ] I WANT TO ADD ON TO THE PARKING
SITUATION. I THINK THAT THAT IS A DETERMENT
FROM PEOPLE TO GO DOWNTOWN AND USE WATERSIDE.
I THINK YOU COULD SEEN ADD IN IF YOU PURCHASE A MEAL AT ONE OF
THE RESTAURANTS, THAT YOU GET YOUR PARKING VALIDATED.
THAT WAY YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW TELL THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING DOWN THERE FOR SOMETHING ELSE
AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LIKE WE DID THE MOVIE THEATER, IT'S REDUCED
DOWN TO 50 CENTS AT MacARTHUR IF YOU GO TO THE MOVIE, BUT
SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT'S AN INCENTIVE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S
ONE OF THE ATTRACTIVE THINGS TO THE RESTAURANTS DOWN IN TOWN
CENTER IN VIRGINIA BEACH. ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW WE
CONNECT THIS TO HARBOR PARK AND HOW DO YOU GET PEOPLE TO WALK
FROM THE LIGHT RAIL STATION AT HARBOR PARK TO WATERSIDE AND
THAT THEY CAN FEEL SAFE WALKING FROM THERE, BECAUSEá-- OR EVEN
FROM THE LIGHT RAIL STATION RIGHT OUTSIDE HERE, HOW DO YOU
CONNECT LIGHT RAIL TO WATERSIDE, WHETHER IT'S A PATHWAY THAT
SPECIFICALLY LEADS PEOPLE FROM THERE TO WATERSIDE THAT'S LIT UP
OR BETTER LANDSCAPED. I DON'T KNOW.
[ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ] >> RIGHT.
WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT, WHICHEVER ONE IS CLOSER, BUT
FINDING A WAY TO MAKE IT CONNECT THAT WAY, AND ALSO, I THINK
SOMEHOW TYING THE CRUISE TERMINAL INTO THIS, YOU KNOW,
WHEN PEOPLE COME INTO TOWN, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS THAT PARKING FOR THE CRUISE TERMINAL
IS AT CEDAR GROVE. MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE SOME
DESIGNATED PARKING AT THE PARKING GARAGE FOR CRUISE
TERMINAL PARKING SO THAT WHEN THEY PARK THEIR CARS, THEY CAN
JUST SPEND SOME DOLLARS AT WATERSIDE BEFORE THEY GO ON THE
CRUISE, AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING CONNECTED TO THAT, BUT WE HAVE
TO MAKE IT WORK THAT WAY AS WELL AND THE MORE THAT YOU DO THAT,
THE MORE POPULAR IT GETS, POUR PEOPLE START TALKING ABOUT IT
AND CREATES A BETTER ENVIRONMENT.
I LIKE THE MARINA STUFF. I THINK WE'VE GOT TO FIND A WAY
TO HOOK THAT IN. I THINK WE GET BYPASSED FROM
TALKING TO SOME BOATERS, WE GET BYPASSED QUITE A BIT BECAUSE WE
DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO OFFER. HOW DO WE GET THEM TO JUST GO
DOWN HERE, SPEND ONE NIGHT HERE, AND SPEND MONEY AND PROVIDE
SHOWERS IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT OR IF THERE'S, YOU KNOWá--
>> I UNDERSTOOD THAT WAS A DESTINATION FOR THEM BECAUSE
THEY BLOW RIGHT PAST. >> RIGHT, YES.
I MEAN EVEN HAMPTON MIGHT BE GETTING MORE OF THAT THAN WE
ARE. >> I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST
TIME WE PUTá-- STANLEY WAS GOING TO FIX IT YEARS AGO ANDá--
[áSPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLYá] >> WE PUT IN SOME SHOWERS AND WE
ALSO CONTINUED ALL THE BOARDS AND EVERYTHING, REDID THE LIGHTS
AS FAR AS WHATá-- >> ALL RIGHT.
MARCUS, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. I THINK IT'S ALL BEEN WELL SAID.
THERE'S ABOUT A $4áMILLION NOTE ON THE PROPERTY AND I WOULD
EXPECT THEM TO, YOU KNOW, TO RELINQUISH OR TO EXTINGUISH THAT
NOTE. I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE LIGHTS
WILL BE ON DURING THE DAYLIGHT AS WELL ASá-- I MEAN, IT HAS TO
BE ATTRACTIVE TO FAMILIES. THERE HAS TO BE THINGS GOING ON
IN THERE DURING THE DAY, ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE COMING TO
STAY IN OUR HOTELS, IN THE CONFERENCE CENTER THAT WE'VE
TALKED ABOUT. I MEAN, IT HAS TO BE A
COMPLEMENT TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN DOWNTOWN, NOT JUST BE SEEN, YOU
KNOW, SORT OF AS AN ISLAND OUT THERE BECAUSE THERE WAS WAS
POINT WHEN WATERSIDE, WHEN WE STARTED THE SECOND MAKEOVER OF
WATERSIDE, IT JUST SORT OF BECAME Aá-- IT DIDN'T WORK WITH
ANYTHING ELSE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT
EXACTLY, BUT I MEAN, IT NEEDS TO WORKá-- ANTHONY MENTIONED GRANBY
STREET, BUT I THINK IT ALSO NEEDS TO WORK WITH OUR HOTELS.
SOMEBODY PROPOSED HAVING SOME SPACE IN THERE THAT PEOPLE COULD
RENT OUT, GROUPS OF 50 OR 60 PEOPLE, LIKE FOR BANQUETS OR
SOMETHING. I THINK THAT WOULD BEá-- I DON'T
WANT TO GET IN THE CONFERENCE CENTER BUSINESS OVER THERE, BUT
SOMETHING LIKE THAT I THINK WOULD BE A GREAT AMENITY.
SOMEBODY WAS STAYING IN A HOTEL, THAT THEY COULD GO ACROSS THE
STREET, USE SOME OF THAT FACE, U.K. OUT ON THE WATERá-- SOME OF
THAT SPACE, LOOK OUT ON THE WATER AND MAYBE BRING EVERYBODY
TO THE CONFERENCE CENTER. IT CAN BE A COMPLEMENT TO WHAT
WE WANT TO DO. BUT Iá-- THE PUBLIC REALM, THE
PUBLIC WALKS AROUND THE SPACE, HOW THEY ENTER THE SPACE, AND I
THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. YOU DON'T OVERDEVELOP THE SITE
AND I THINKá-- I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, I THINK THIS MAY BE ONE
INSTANCE WHERE WE SORT OF UNDERPROMISE THE COMMUNITY AND
OVERDELIVER, BUT ANDY STARTED OFF WITH THREE OR FOUR
RESTAURANTS. IT'S MUCH EASIER TO BUILD THOSE
THINGS IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL THAN TO START OUT WITH A DOZEN
OR 13 AND THEN START TRYING TO BACK IT DOWN WHEN IT'S NOT.
WE DID THAT WITH THE OLD WATERSIDE, STARTED OFF FULL.
EVERYBODY LITERALLY EMPTIED OUT, AND I THINK IN THE ORIGINAL
PROPOSAL, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT OPENING UP THE MIDDLE OF
WATERSIDE AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY A GREAT IDEA.
I MEAN, I WOULDN'T BE OFFENDED IF THEY WANTED TO TAKE DOWN PART
OF WATERSIDE, LIKE THE ADDITION THAT WAS PUT ON MANY, MANY YEARS
AGO. AND THEN JUST CREATE SOME MORE
OPEN SPACE OUT THERE, OR MAYBE ANOTHER SMALL AMPHITHEATER OR
SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE COULD GATHER ORá-- I MEAN, I THINK IF
THEY REALLYá-- PLUS, THEY COULD GET THE CRITICAL MASS TO MAKE
THINGS LOOKá-- I MEAN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEYá-- I'M NOT TRYING
TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT IT SHOULDN'Tá-- THERE HAS TO BE A
CERTAIN CRITICAL MASS FOR THEM TO MAKE THE NUMBERS WORK.
>> RIGHT. >> AND I DON'T WANT TO, YOU
KNOW, TELL THEM HOW TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS,
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL THAT EVERYBODY
FEELS LIKE THEY'RE WELCOMED THERE AT THE SAME TIME, NIGHT
AND DAY. >> ARE THEY OPEN OR DO WE KNOW,
ARE THEY OPEN TOá-- I HAD TO STEP OUT, BUT I HEARD YOU
TALKING ABOUT LIKE A SMALL WHOLE FOODS OR PRODUCE SHOP OR MAYBE A
CHOCOLATEá-- CHOCOLATIER OR A BROOK STONE, LIKE IF YOU HAVE
PEOPLE AT THE MARRIOTT, THEY WILL COME OVER FOR SOMETHING
SPECIAL. WE HAVE SOME SPECIALTY STORES
THAT I THINK ARE STILL THERE THAT DO THE VIRGINIA FEATURED
ITEMS, SOMETHING YOU MAY NOT FIND EVERYWHERE.
>> THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE THINKING.
IT'S AN ENTERTAINMENT VENUE. >> THEY DO NEED TO BE MOREá--
THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT BUSINESS, ANTHONY.
>> THEY DO, BUT I KNOW WE HAD AN RFP ON THE STREET AND SOá--
>> RIGHT, I DIDN'T KNOW WE DID THAT.
IT WOULD BE HAND IN HAND WITH THE RFP ON THE STREET, BUT THE
RFP ON THE STREET MAY BE THE MARINA ITSELF, BUT THEY NEED TO
HAVE SOMETHING WITHIN THERE THAT THE BOATING COMMUNITY WOULD
BEá-- WANT TO MAKE THEIR DESTINATION.
>> EXACTLY, EXACTLY. >> GOING BACK IF WE COULD, PAUL,
BACK TO THE LEASE ISSUE, AND BERNARD, I'M GOING TO REALLY
FOCUS ON YOU ON THIS. YOU KNOW, ON A COMMERCIAL LEASE,
THE LANDLORD SHIFTS THE MAJORITY OF THE RESPONSIBILITY TO THE
TENANT, AND I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT THATá-- EVEN THOUGH WE OWN
THE PROPERTY OR THE CITY IN AN ENTITY DOES, THAT THE UPKEEP,
MAINTENANCE, THOSEá-- YOU'RE NOT WRITING THIS DOWN.
>> YOU HAVEN'T ASKED A QUESTION YET.
>> I'M LETTING HIM KNOW HE NEEDS TO WRITE IT DOWN.
>> NOBODY'S WRITING IT DOWN. >> NOBODY'S WRITING IT DOWN.
>> IT'S RECORDED. >> THEY'RE WATCHING IT ON YOU
TUBE. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S
UNDERSTOOD THAT WHEN WE'RE NEGOTIATING THIS LEASE, THAT, A
COMMERCIAL LEE, THEY'RE GOING TOá-- LEASE, THEY'RE GOING TO
ASSUME THAT RESPONSIBILITY. WE'RE NOT COMING IN AND PUTTING
IN NEW AIR CONDITIONERS. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS.
WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THE MAINTENANCE WE'VE DONE IN THE
PAST PERHAPS, YOU KNOW. IT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD THAT
IT'S A COMMERCIAL LEASE AND THAT WITH A COMMERCIAL LEASE COMES
THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AS A TENANT BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING THE MONEY
TO BE THERE AND SOá-- I ALSO WOULD LIKE, BERNARD IF IT'S
POSSIBLE, AND MARCUS, WRITE THIS DOWN, THAT WE GETá-- IF WE
HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT YET, I'M CURIOUS IF YOU CAN FIND FOR US
THEIR LEASES THAT THEY HAVE AT THEIR OTHER PROPERTIES.
HAVE THEY BEENá-- ARE THEY PRODUCINGá-- OFTENTIMES A
COMPANY LIKE THIS COMES IN AND THEY MAY BRING THEIR OWN LEASE
AND SAY THIS IS WHAT OUR LEASE, THAT IS WHAT WE WANT.
THE REAL QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE THE OTHER CITIES, MUNICIPALITIES
PRODUCING? ARE THEY PRODUCING A LEASE AND
WHAT ARE THEY? CONTACT KANSAS CITY, SEE WHAT
THEIR LEASE IS, IF THEY CAN SEND IT TO US WITHOUT
CONFIDENTIALITY. >> THEY BUILT KANSAS CITY.
>> THEN LET'S GO PHILLY OR WHEREVER ELSE THEY ARE.
LET'S GO TO THE ONES THEY HAVEN'T BUILT.
>> WELL, CAN Iá-- >> THEY CAN SEND THEIR GENERAL
LEASE TO US. >> I'M CURIOUS WHAT OTHER
MUNICIPALITIES ARE DOING WITH THEM AND IF THEY'RE NOT, LET'S
CHECK AND SEE IF THEY'RE DOING WITH OTHER SIMILAR COMPANIES TO
SEE WHAT THEY'RE PULLING OUT. AND I'M ALSO CURIOUS ABOUT
PHASING IN THEIRá-- HOW ARE THEY HANDLING THE ESCALATION, WHETHER
THE ESCALATIONS THAT ARE NORMALLY DONE IN THESE TYPES OF
LEASES, I'M CURIOUS AS TO THAT. AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE TIER, IS
IT A 2%, 3%, 5%, WHAT ARE THE ESCALATIONS AND OVER WHAT TERM
ARE THE ESCALATIONS. IS THERE AN OUT, IF IT'S A
50-YEAR LEE, I'VE HEARD RUMORSá-- LEASE, I'VE HEARD
RUMORS OF THOSE BEING THROWN OUT, 25-YEAR LEASE, IS THERE AN
OUT EARLIER IF IT'S NOT WORKING? I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT, AGAIN
LOOKING AT LEASE TERMS. I'M SORRY.
>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN BALTIMORE
WITH THEá-- >> INNER HARBOR.
>> RIGHT. SO THEY KNOW HOW TO RESPOND TO
THE BOATING COMMUNITY THERE. >> THAT WOULD BE TRUE.
>> BUT THE PIECE I WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE
WERE TALKING ABOUT PARKS, I DON'T THINK WE GIVE THEM A PARK.
THAT'S JUST ME. WHEN WE START ATTRACTING PEOPLE
HERE, I DON'T CARE, ANY MAJOR METROPOLITAN CITY YOU GO, YOU
PAY FOR PARKING. WE'RE NOT SUBURBIA, VIRGINIA
BEACH, WE'RE NORFOLK. >> WE CAN CROSS THAT BRIDGE WHEN
WE COME TO IT. >> I JUST THINK THAT WE WANT TO
MAXIMIZE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE IT LESSER ON OUR CITIZENS
OF THIS CITY. NOW, WE HAVEá-- AFTER WEEKENDS
AND SPECIAL EVENTS, WE HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS PARKING.
THAT'S $5. YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY CHARGE IN
EVERY GARAGE. SO IT'S CONSISTENT ACROSS THE
BOARD, BUT AT THE OTHER PART OF THAT EQUATION, WE WANT PEOPLE TO
GET OUTSIDE THERE AND SOMETIMES IT'S $3, BUT WE WANT PEOPLE TO
GET OUTSIDE THEIR CARS AND USE THE LIGHT RAIL TO COME INTO THE
CITY. SO IT'S TWO-FOLD.
WE WANT TRAFFIC, WE WANT FOOT TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'Tá--
I JUST DON'T THINK WE GIVE UP THAT PARKING.
THAT'S Aá-- THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, WE'RE TRYING TO
DRIVE REVENUES UP IN THE CITY, SO THAT'S A WAY THAT WEá--
THAT'S A PIECE THAT WE CANá-- IF THEY'RE GOING TO A PLACE TO BUY
ONE BEER, THEY PAY 5 DOLLARS OF PARKING.
>> YOU GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE LEASES PRESENTLY HELD THERE?
I KNOW THEY SAID THEY WOULD HONOR THOSE.
I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THOSE WERE AND HOW LONG.
>> THEY SAID THEY WOULD KEEP ALL THE PLACES THERE?
>> I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHICH ONES THEY ARE.
>> MY QUESTION IS ABOUT PROCEDURES, PROCESS FROM THIS
POINT FORWARD BECAUSE WE HAVEá-- WE'VE SEEN A CONCEPT FROM THEM,
YOU KNOW, PRETTY DRAWINGS AND SOME, YOU KNOWá-- BUT WITH THE
RECOMMENDATIONS OR CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE NEXT TUESDAY, THEY
GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD, I GUESS, AND COME BACK WITH Aá--
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? WHAT ARE THE STEPSá-- I KNOW
THERE WAS A PERCEPTION, I GUESS FROM AN ARTICLE THAT RAN TODAY
THAT PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO ASSESS THAT THIS ISN'T HAPPENING FAST
ENOUGH, BUT I THINK GENERALLY WE WANT THIS TO BE DONE RIGHT.
IT'S NOT THAT WEá-- I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE GOING
WITH THIS FROM THIS POINT FORWARD BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO
COME IN NEXT TUESDAY OR THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY AND HAVE
ANOTHER PRESENTATION. ARE THEY GOING TO SHOW US WHAT
WE'VE ALREADY SEEN OR ARE THEY GOING TO TAKE COMMENTS FROM
TODAY AND NOW TRY TO IMPLEMENT THAT IN ANOTHER PRESENTATION TO
US. >> THEY WOULD ANSWER THE
QUESTIONS. >> I WOULD HOPE THEY WOULD BE
RESPONSIVE TO WHAT THE MANAGER PUTS DOWN AFTER YOU REFINE SOME
OF OUR RAMBLING HERE. >> RIGHT, RIGHT.
I MEAN, SO ARE WE-- >> THEY WILL COME IN AND MAKE A
PRESENTATION. WE'LL BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS,
MAKE COMMENT, LIKE THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE AND I THINK
THAT WILL GO ON FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS AND AT SOME POINT, WE HAVE
TO LOOK AT THE MANAGER AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT YOU TO
DELIVER AND THEN WE'LL HAVEá-- OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO HAVE, YOU
KNOW, A CLOSED SESSION TO TALK ABOUT TERMS AND THINGS LIKE
THAT. HE WILL START TO NEGOTIATE
SOMETHING AND IF WE CAN MAKE IT WORK, WE'LL MAKE IT WORK.
BUT IT'S PROBABLY TWO OR THREE STEPS.
>> IS HE PUTTING A TIMELINE ON THE NEGOTIATIONS AFTER THAT?
ARE YOU 30 DAYS OF NEGOTIATION? WHAT ARE YOUá--
>> JUST HOW LONGá-- >> I DON'T KNOW, 30 DAYS IS NOT
MUCH. >> I'M JUST ASKING.
>> IT DOES SOUND REALLY TIGHT. >> BERNARD, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
TO CLOSE A DEAL LIKE THISá-- >> I WOULD START OFF AS A LETTER
OF INTENT WITH ALL OF THE TERMS AND SO WE KNEW WE HAD AGREEMENT
OF PRINCIPLE AND WE CAN MOVE TO THE DETAILS OF THE LEASE, WHICH
WILL INCLUDE THE DESIGN REVIEW. HAVE YOUR APPROVAL, THE DESIGN
REVIEW COMMISSION AND NOT EXPECT THEM TO INVEST IN DESIGN UNTIL
AFTER WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM, AND THEY IMPRESSED ME AS
BEING READY TO GO AND I THINK WE'RE READY TO GO, BUT I DON'T
THINK THERE'S ANY REASON TO PUT A TIME LIMIT ON IT.
IF WE'RE WORKING ALONG AND IT'S PROCEEDING AND GOING QUICKLY,
GREAT, BUT IF WE'RE WORKING ALONG AND THERE'S PROGRESSá--
>> I THINK WE HAVE A LEGAL OBLIGATION TO DO OUR DUE
DILIGENCE APPROPRIATE. YOU DON'T WANT TO SAY WE'RE
GOING TO DO IT IN 30 DAYS AND WE CAN'T WRAP IT UP THAT FAST.
>> I DIDN'T MEANá-- >> IT SOUNDS LIKEá--
[áSPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLYá] >> IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS
GOING TO BE DONE IN 30 DAYS AND I DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO THINK
THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE NEXT MONTH.
>> YOU MAY GET TO THE END OF THE LINE AND SAY, YOU KNOWá--
>> OKAY. TERRI HAS ONEá--
>> I HAVE ONE QUICK THING. BRECK WAS GOOD ABOUT TELLING US
WHAT OUR SCHEDULE IS FOR SCHOOL BOARD NOMINATIONS, SO THE
NOMINATIONS HAVE TO BE IN BY WHEN?
THE 12th? I JUST AM CURIOUS, HOW ARE WE
BLASTING THIS OUT TO CIVIC LEAGUES AND PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT
THIS? IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO HAVE A SQUARE
THAT SAYS WE'RE ACCEPTING THEM. DO WE HAVEá-- WE'RE DOING
BETTER. WHAT'S THE PLAN?
>> [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
>> WE CAN MAKEá-- WE'LL GO THE EXTRA MILE.
>> BECAUSE WE'RE MISSING PART OF THE CIVIC LEAGUE CYCLE ALREADY.
THE GROUPS THAT MET ON THE THIRD WEEKá--
>> THIS IS THE SCHEDULE THAT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR TO US.
>> AND EVERY YEAR WEá-- >> WE'LL GET BACK TO THAT.
I WANT TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION JUST BRIEFLY WITH THE COUNCIL
AND TALK ABOUT REAL QUICK SOMETHING.
MARCUS, DOESN'T WORRY. [ LAUGHTER ]
>> THAT'S NOT IN WRITING. >> HE GOT SO QUIET.
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