Regular 08/28/12 Session part 2 - Norfolk City Council


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>> BEFORE WE GO TO COUNCIL CONCERNS, IF IT'S FINE WITH THE
COUNCIL, WE HAVE ONE INTRODUCTION WE'D LIKE TO MAKE,
AND IT'S VERY SHORT, A TWO-MINUTE VIDEO ZEALING WITH
BULLYING. THE INTRODUCTION IS, AS YOU'RE
AWARE, THIS PAST YEAR, WE HAD THE NORFOLK EMERGING LEADERS,
JANET WILLIAMS DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF PULLING TOGETHER A NUMBER
OF INTERNS AND THEY DID A SERIES OF PROJECTS.
WE ACTUALLY HAD 22 MUNICIPAL INTERNS AND I'M PROUD TO SAY
THAT OUT OF ABOUT 250 INTERNS, APPLICANTS WE GET, 22, AND THERE
WERE FOUR OF THEM THAT WERE -- HAD FINISHED COLLEGE, WHETHER
IT'S UNDERGRADUATE OR GRADUATE SCHOOL AND WE WERE ABLE TO PLACE
ALL FOUR IN JOBS WITH THE CITY, TWO BEING FELLOWS AND ANOTHER
TWO BEING RESEARCH ANALYSTS. THEY'RE ACTUALLY HERE TODAY.
WE HAVE NEIL, CHRIS, BRYCE AND TERRELL.
I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT IF IT'S FINE WITH COUNCIL, THERE IS
ACTUALLY A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THEY PUT
TOGETHER. BRYCE WAS AT THE HEAD OF THAT,
AND IT'S ACTUALLY BEING USED BY NORFOLK PUBLIC SCHOOLS FOR AN
ANTI-BULLYING CAMPAIGN, SO IF WE COULD JUST SHOW THAT.
\M\M [ CHILDREN LAUGHING ]
[ CHILDREN LAUGHING ] [ CHILDREN LAUGHING ]
>> BULLYING HAS LONG-LASTING EFFECTS ON CHILDREN OF ALL AGES.
NEARLY 85% OF BULLYING CASES SEE NO ADULT INTERVENTION.
>> IF YOU'RE BEING BULLIED, TELL SOMEBODY YOU TRUST.
>> IF YOU SEE BULLYING, DON'T BE A BYSTANDER.
>> IT'S UP TO ALL OF US TO STAND UP.
STAND TALL. AND STAND TOGETHER.
>> FOR A HEALTHIER NORFOLK. >> WOW.
THAT WAS REALLY GOOD. >> AND IN TERMS OF JUST TALENT,
YOU KNOW, THESE AGAIN ARE 22 INDIVIDUALS WHO STARTED OFF WITH
A SIX TO EIGHT-WEEK PROGRAM WITH THE CITY.
THEY PRODUCED THIS IN COLLABORATION WITH THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND IT'S GOING TO BE USED
THROUGHOUT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. I'M TRYING TO GET ONE MORE PSA
WITH THEM DEALING WITH SHARING THE ROAD WITH BICYCLES, BUT THE
CONCEPT THAT IS WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF TALENT IN THE CITY AND
IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT THE INDIVIDUALS CAN CONTINUE TO WORK
WITH US, SO WE THANK YOU FOR THAT.
[ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ] >> WE'LL DO IT ALL.
>> YOU GUYS NEED AN AGENT? [ LAUGHTER ]
>> HE'S GOING TO HIRE YOU FOR THE CAMPAIGN.
>> HE'S NOT GOING TO DO IT FOR FREE.
>> THE LAST THING I WILL SAY IS THAT WE -- THEY'RE REPRESENTED
BY NORFOLK STATE, ODU, VIRGINIA TECH, AND VCU.
SO THAT WITH THAT SAID, MAYOR, I TURN IT BACK OVER TO YOU.
>> OKAY. COUNCIL INTERESTS.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? >> I HAD DONE A MEMO, I DON'T
KNOW IF YOU GOT IT OR NOT, ABOUT THE REGIONAL JAIL.
ISSUES ARE COMING UP VERY QUICKLY TO DEAL WITH FINANCIAL
ISSUES, THAT WE'LL HAVE TO VOTE UPON, SO THE MEMO LAID IT OUT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS -- I TRIED TO GET IT TO EVERYBODY AND IT WILL
BE COMING DOWN THE ROAD. STANLEY IS ON THAT, HE HAS THE
NUMBERS OVER THERE, AND I THINK EVERYBODY HAS THE NUMBERS, IT'S
GOOD HAVING STANLEY THERE. THAT'S ALL I HAD.
>> WAS THAT SENT FROM YOU? >> IT SHOULD BE IN YOUR MAIL.
>> OH, IT'S A HARD COPY. >> THAT'S THE PROBLEM, WE
HAVEN'T -- >> WE HAVE IT RIGHT HERE.
>> NO, I HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT YET. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
>> OKAY. >> ONE QUICK THING.
I KNOW WE TALKED AT LENGTH LAST WEEK ABOUT THE TAXES THAT WE'RE
REFUNDING AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL AND WHY WE'RE DOING IT AND WHY
WE'RE HAVING TO DO IT THIS WAY. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GET AN IDEA
OF THE AVERAGE FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WHETHER WE'RE IN LINE.
MAYBE IT SAYS THAT SOMEWHERE, BUT I CAN'T -- I DIDN'T SEE
THAT. IF THERE'S BEEN A SPIKE OR
WHETHER THIS -- WHAT IS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE PRETTY
CLOSE TO TRADITION. >> I WILL SAY, COUNCILMAN WINN,
I KNOW THERE'S A LOOK BACK FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS AND I'LL TELL
YOU ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, IF YOU DON'T ALREADY HAVE THE
INFORMATION, WE'LL GET IT TO YOU, THAT IS YOU MAY HAVE A
LARGE REFUND, A LARGE REFUND FROM ONE ENTITY THAT THROWS THE
NUMBERS OFF A BIT, BUT WE'LL GET YOU THAT INFORMATION IF YOU
ALREADY DON'T HAVE IT. >> MORE IMPORTANT TOO, JUST TO
GET SOME FEEL. I UNDERSTAND YOU COULD HAVE A
SPIKE. >> GIVE US A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT'S
GOING TO TAKE PLACE. >> AND THE ONLY OTHER THING,
MARCUS AND I WORKED ON THIS SHARED SERVICES COMMITTEE.
WHAT IS OUR SCHEDULE TO REPORT OUT PROGRESS FROM THE
ADMINISTRATION? I KNOW WE'RE EARLY ON IN THE
PROCESS, BUT ARE WE GOING TO TRY TO DO THAT AT LEAST QUARTERLY?
>> YES, WE WILL. I BELIEVE THERE'S ANOTHER
SCHEDULED MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, AND WHAT THE THREE LOCALITIES
HAVE DONE, WE CALL IT THE LOW-HANGING FRUIT, WE HAVE EACH
SELECTED ONE ITEM ON THE LIST -- >> I WAS AT THAT MEETING.
(INAUDIBLE). >> RIGHT.
>> BUT I THINK WE OUGHT TO REPORT QUARTERLY OR SEMIANNUALLY
TO COUNCIL AS TO THESE ARE THINGS WE'VE DONE AND THESE ARE
OUR SAVINGS. >> RIGHT.
>> AND TO KEEP IT ACTIVE, KEEP IT MOVING AHEAD.
>> SURE. >> JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU
THINK -- WHAT'S A SUITABLE INTERVAL OF TIME WHEN WE CAN
TAKE 15 MINUTES TO DISCUSS IT. OKAY, THAT'S ALL I HAD.
>> QUICKLY, IN PREPARATION FOR THE RETREAT, I HOPE THAT WE'LL
BE HEARING ABOUT PLANS FOR THAT AND AGENDAS.
I WAS PLEASED, I WAS ANXIOUS FOR US TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT
THE ARTS DISTRICT. I UNDERSTAND ANDY HAS DONE THAT,
SO I'M HOPEFUL WE'LL HAVE SOME TIME AND PRESENTATION AND MAYBE
PRELIMINARY INFORMATION. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR
US TOO IF WE COULD GET, YOU KNOW, ANY INFORMATION YOU MIGHT
HAVE. I'D ALSO LIKE, I THINK MANY OF
YOU KNOW I'M VERY INTERESTED IN CHANGING OUR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS
PROCEDURES AND FRANK AND ANNE HAVE BEEN VERY NICE TO MEET WITH
ME AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, AND WE HAD SOME THINGS THAT WE'D
LIKE TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL ABOUT THAT.
IT'S KIND OF A PRELIMINARY START TO CHANGING THE WAY WE DO THAT,
SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE'LL HAVE TIME AT THE RETREAT IF THAT'S
WITH EVERYBODY'S AGREEMENT. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THIS
IS WHAT I WANT TO DO AT RETREAT, BUT I DO THINK IT'S GOOD FOR US
ALL TO HAVE SOME INPUT ON WHAT WE MIGHT WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
OKAY. >> I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE, I KNOW WE HAD QUITE A BIT OF RAIN.
ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT -- AND BARCLAY SAID THIS SOME TIME
AGO, AS A CITY, BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW,
IN OUR RIGHT-OF-WAYS AND OUR -- SOME AREAS OF THE CITY, I MEAN,
IT -- WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO YET. WE GOT AREAS WHERE THE GRASS IS
SIX FEET. I MEAN, I SEE VACANT LOTS THAT
THE GRASS HAS TRULY GROWN, YOU GO RIGHT BY THE CORNER OF WILSON
ROAD AND ANNIE RIVER ROAD, THE PROPERTY WE BOUGHT THERE, THE
GRASS IS ABOUT FIVE FEET. YOU KNOW, FOR ME, IT'S JUST KIND
OF -- IT'S DIFFICULT TO BE ABLE TO WRITE CITATIONS FOR CITIZENS,
BUT YET, WE'RE NOT -- WHO'S POLICING US, YOU KNOW?
AND SO I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO
KEEP UP WITH, YOU KNOW, THE COMMON AREAS THAT WE HAVE THAT
BELONG TO THE CITY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE
FOLKS STRATEGICALLY LOOKING AT AREAS.
I'VE SAID THIS ONCE BEFORE, BREAKING THE CITY DOWN IN AREAS
WHERE YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT HAS EYES OUT THERE.
YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE WE'RE CHASING A DOG'S
TAIL, BUT JUST TO HAVE EYES OUT THERE IN THOSE AREAS AND BE ABLE
TO GET THAT INFORMATION BACK AND THAT AREA -- YOU KNOW, GETTING
THOSE AREAS CUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I GET A CALL EVERY NOW AND
AGAIN, WELL, YOU CHARGE ME X-NUMBER OF DOLLARS FOR MY GRASS
BEING HIGH, BUT THE CITY'S GRASS HAS BEEN HIGH FOR, YOU KNOW,
LONGER THAN MINE. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WAY TO
JUSTIFY THAT. SO I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT -- I
MEAN WE'RE COMING INTO THE FALL SO WE CAN GET SOME TIME TO PLAN
IN TERMS OF HOW WE EXECUTE THAT GOING FORWARD NEXT SPRING AND
NEXT SUMMER, BUT THAT'S A REAL CRITICAL ISSUE AS IT RELATES TO
GRASS-CUTTING. >> VICE MAYOR, I CAN TELL YOU
SOME THINGS ARE HAPPENING NOW AND I BELIEVE WAYNE GREEN IS
HEADING UP THIS. I BELIEVE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN
NRHA IN THE CITY, WE'VE SAT DOWN AT THE TABLE AND WE HAVEN'T SAID
THIS IS NRHA'S PARCEL, THE CITY'S PARCEL, IT'S JUST GRASS.
WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS JUST LOOKING AT EVERY PARCEL AND
WHATEVER PEOPLE POWER WE HAVE IN PLACE, WE'RE UTILIZING THAT AND
THAT'S AT THE BEGINNING STAGES, BUT IT'S BEEN VERY COLLABORATIVE
APPROACH. >> AND IF THAT EFFORT IS NOT
ENOUGH, WHEN YOU ALSO HAVE CONTRACTS THAT YOU CAN USE FOR
NUISANCE ABATEMENT THAT ARE CUTTING GRASS FOR US, SO I WOULD
HOPE THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT ALL OF THE OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE
BEFORE US AND UTILIZE EVERYTHING WITHIN OUR TOOLBOX TO BE ABLE TO
BACK THIS ISSUE, BECAUSE AGAIN, WHEN YOU GO DOWN MAJOR
THOROUGHFARES, ONE IMPRESSION IS ALL YOU GET DEPENDING ON WHAT
PART OF THE CITY I'M IN. OR VISITING.
AND SO I JUST THINK THAT'S CRITICAL.
NOT TO SAY THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING A GOOD JOB, MR. CITY MANAGER,
BUT AGAIN, ADDING INPUT. THE SECOND THING, WE GOT A
POLICE CHIEF, WE HAVE SUPERINTENDENT.
IT IS NOW TIME TO GET AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING IN THIS CITY, YOU
KNOW, PROJECTS GOING VERTICAL, BUT STILL, YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID
ONE OR TWO PEOPLE CAN'T DEVELOP OR MEET THE NEEDS OF ALL OF THE
COMMUNITY WITH THE CHALLENGES THAT THESE COMMUNITIES HAVE THAT
ARE RIPE AND READY FOR DEVELOPMENT.
AND SO FOR ME, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE TIME FOR US TO BE PROACTIVE
IN TERMS OF LOOKING TO MAXIMIZE OUR POTENTIAL FROM A DEVELOPMENT
STANDPOINT BECAUSE MATERIALS ARE CHEAP RIGHT NOW, THE PRICE OF
MATERIALS ARE LOW, AND INTEREST RATES ARE LOW.
AND SO I ALWAYS SAY YOU ONLY HAVE A WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY TO
STRIKE, AND FOR ME, I'LL GIVE YOU A PRIME EXAMPLE.
WE HAD TALKED ABOUT SOMETIME -- AND THIS IS JUST DOWNTOWN --
WHEN WE TALKED SOME TIME AGO ABOUT BRINGING FOLK IN TO THIS
CITY, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I HAD TALKED ABOUT
AS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT CLOSING GRANBY STREET AND HAVING THIS
PARTY I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GOING TO GO OUT AND GET, YOU
KNOW, ALL OF THESE CORPORATE ENTITIES, ALL OF THESE GUYS THAT
WORK FOR THE -- THE AGENTS THAT WORK FOR THE DISTRICT
REPRESENTATIVES, FOR THESE DIFFERENT CORPORATIONS, WHETHER
IT BE NATIONAL CHAINS OR MOM AND POPS, AND INVITE THESE PEOPLE IN
AND BE ABLE TO ALLOW THEM TO LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER
DOWNTOWN, IN AND AROUND DOWNTOWN.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE EFFORTS.
AGAIN, JUST OPENING OUR PRONT DOOR AND SAYING, HEY, WE'RE OPEN
FOR BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE, LOOKING AT WAYS
THAT WE CAN INCENTIVIZE BUSINESSES THAT WE WANT HERE.
AND BRING THOSE TYPES OF ENTITIES, US DRIVING THE TRAIN,
INSTEAD OF FOLKS COMING TO US AND SAYING, WELL, I DON'T THINK
IT WILL WORK, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION OR WE'RE
NOT READY TO BE ABLE TO INCENTIVIZE THE TYPES OF
BUSINESSES THAT THE CITIZENS FEEL THAT ARE IMPORTANT, WHETHER
IT BE THEIR COMMUNITY OR WHETHER IT BE FOR DOWNTOWN.
AND SO FOR ME, I JUST THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD AND
LOOK AT HOW WE, AGAIN, BRING THAT TO FRUITION.
WE CAN'T DEVELOP ONE COMMUNITY AT A TIME.
WE NEED TO BE DEVELOPING THIS CITY SIMULTANEOUSLY, AND SO
THAT'S CRITICAL AND THAT'S IMPORTANT.
TO ME. SOME OTHER INFORMATION I'LL GET
TO FRANK DUKE AS RELATES TO BOARDING HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN
IDENTIFIED AND I KNOW THE POLICE HAVE BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB, BUT
AGAIN, IN TERMS OF EXECUTING AND BEING ABLE TO ELIMINATE THOSE,
HAS TO COME FROM INCIDENTS AS A PART OF THE CITY'S INFLUENCE, SO
THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> ANGELIA?
>> THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE IS I'D LIKE FOR COUNCIL TO GIVE
DIRECTION TO NRHA TO PROCEED WITH MOVING FORWARD ON THE
NECESSARY STEPS TO ACQUIRE THE IMPLEMENTATION GRANT THAT'S
AVAILABLE FOR THE TIDEWATER GARDENS/ST. PAUL QUADRANT
PROJECT. THEY'RE KIND OF IN LIMBO WAITING
FOR US TO TELL THEM TO MOVE FORWARD AND I KNOW WE HAVE THE
PLANNING GRANT, BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY'RE NEEDING SOME
DIRECTION FROM US. THE GRANTS ARE FEW AND FAR
BETWEEN, SO I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE US, IF WE DON'T APPLY,
WE'RE NOT EVEN IN THE RUNNING, SO I'D LIKE US TO GIVE THEM
PERMISSION TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION FOR THAT EFFORT.
>> THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
>> AND THAT'S -- NOT TO -- IT'S MORE THAN JUST THAT -- THAT
GRANT WOULD ONLY MOVE THE -- >> RIGHT.
>> BUT THAT GRANT IS NOWHERE NEAR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS
NEEDED TO DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE WORK, AND THEN TO ADD TO THE
OVERALL FORMULA AS RELATES TO CREATING CRITICAL MASS TO BE
ABLE TO DEVELOP THE TYPE OF MIXED INCOME COMMUNITY THAT
YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. SO THAT PLANNING GRANT, YOU
COULD ACTUALLY APPLY FOR IT, BUT IF YOU GET IT, THEN YOU DON'T
HAVE THE OTHER MONIES TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE THINGS THAT YOU NEED
TO DO, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE THAT MONEY.
>> WE HAVE THE PLANNING GRANT NOW.
>> I'M TALKING ABOUT -- >> I'M TALKING ABOUT
IMPLEMENTING THE GRANT. >> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MONIES
IN TERMS -- YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GRANT ITSELF.
THAT GRANT ITSELF IS NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO MOVE AND DEVELOP THAT
COMMUNITY, AND SO YOU NEED -- IF YOU DO THAT, I HOPE THEY GIVE --
I'M GLAD THEY'RE GIVING A PRESENTATION SO YOU CAN
UNDERSTAND THE MONEY THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, BECAUSE
IT -- THERE'S NOTHING WORSE THAN HAVING TO GIVE A GRANT BACK TO
HUD. >> RIGHT.
>> BECAUSE YOU CAN'T -- YOU'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO BE ABLE TO
MOVE ON IT. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU GUYS --
YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT? OKAY, I'M SORRY.
>> JUST -- I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THREE DEPARTMENTS AND IT'S
REALLY NICE TO BE IN THIS POSITION AND KNOW THAT THERE'S
STAFF THAT IS RESPONDING VERY QUICKLY TO CONSTITUENTS'
CONCERNS AND GETTING FEEDBACK BACK, BUT PARTICULARLY PUBLIC
WORKS AND THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING, THE AMOUNT OF CONCERNS
THAT HAVE COME IN JUST FOR ME THIS SUMMER THAT I FORWARDED AND
THE RESPONSES I GET BACK FROM CONSTITUENTS, WHETHER IT'S
UTILITIES OR TRAFFIC ISSUES, HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS.
AND EVEN IF IT'S NOT AN ANSWER THAT A CONSTITUENT WANTED, THEY
WERE STILL HAPPY THAT THEY GOT A RESPOND BACK.
SAME THING WITH PARKS AND RECREATION AND MAINTAINING
PROPERTIES. I REALIZE WE'VE HAD RAIN.
YESTERDAY I WAS DRIVING BY NORVIEW HIGH SCHOOL AND IT WAS
POURING DOWN RAIN AND OUR GUYS WERE OUT THERE CUTTING THE
GRASS, GETTING THE SCHOOL READY, GETTING READY FOR THE SCHOOL
START, AND I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE THAT THESE GUYS ARE OUT
THERE AND, YOU KNOW, THE DAYS HAVE BEEN RAIN, SUN, RAIN, SUN,
AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET A JOB DONE, AND SO I HAVE TREMENDOUS
RESPECT. I SAW THEM OUT AT GRANBY WORKING
AND THEY'RE JUST DOING AN AWESOME JOB.
AND I GOT SOME REALLY GREAT FEEDBACK ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
AND CHUCK'S WORK, AND I'VE NOTICED A CHANGE SINCE I'VE BEEN
ON COUNCIL WITH THE FEEDBACK AND COMMUNICATION FROM ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT. PARTICULARLY, WE HAVE A VERY
KIND OF STUBBORN PROPERTY OWNER IN OCEAN VIEW THAT FOR THE FIRST
TIME FELT COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO COME TO THE TABLE AND HAVE A
CONVERSATION, AND ALTHOUGH WE MIGHT NOT GET ANYTHING OUT OF
IT, THE FACT THAT HIS RESPONSE BACK WAS HE THOUGHT IT WAS A
POSITIVE MEETING AND THIS WAS FROM SOMEBODY WHO DID NOT WANT
TO DOWNTOWN AND DROVE DOWNTOWN, I THINK IS TREMENDOUS.
AND I KNOW THAT I'M GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK IN CONVERSATIONS
AS WELL WITH THAT, TO SAY THANK YOU TO THOSE THREE DEPARTMENTS.
MAYBE NEXT MEETING, I'LL RECOGNIZE THREE MORE.
I CAN ONLY DO THREE AT A TIME. FINALLY, I SENT AN EMAIL TO ALL
COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH A LETTER THAT I DRAFTED ABOUT EAGLES.
WE'RE ALL GETTING HIT WITH EAGLES.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY AROUND THIS TABLE WHO IS
CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF PASSENGERS.
THE POINT OF THE LETTER -- WHO ISN'T CONCERNED, I'M SORRY.
[ LAUGHTER ] I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS COFFEE.
I HAVEN'T HAD ANY ALL DAY. BUT IN -- I CALLED MARCUS TWO
TIMES TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS JUST SO I HAD AN UNDERSTANDING.
I REALLY DIDN'T NEED TO TAKE ON THE EAGLE ISSUE, I HAVE ENOUGH
ON MY PLATE RIGHT NOW, BUT I THOUGHT AFTER READING A LOT OF
EMAILS AND DOING SOME RESEARCH, THAT THIS HAPPENED SO QUICKLY,
THAT I THINK THAT WE MISSED OUT ON SOME OTHER OPTIONS AND
PRESENTATIONS, NOT FROM YOUR STAFF'S SIDE.
I THINK THAT THIS CAME DOWN TO THE FAA AND THE AGREEMENT OF THE
WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT GROUP AND THE USDA, IS THAT WE ONLY LOOKED
AT ONE APPROACH, WHICH IS THE NEST REMOVAL.
I'M A SCIENCE TEACHER AND SO I LOOK AT THE SCIENCE BEHIND THIS,
AND AFTER READING THAT THERE COULD BE OTHER RESOURCES OUT
THERE THAT COULD HELP MITIGATE THIS, I'M ASKING THAT WE --
COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE A VOTE IN THIS.
WE NEVER TOOK A VOTE ON IT, BUT WE UNINTENTIONALLY GOT INVOLVED
IN THIS AND PEOPLE HAVE BLAMED US, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS
HAPPENING. AND THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF
GOVERNMENT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN CONVERSATIONS
WITH VARIOUS PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WAYNE SHANK AND THE
AIRPORT AUTHORITY WERE TO POSSIBLY TAKE A STEP BACK AND GO
BACK AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT ARE OUT
THERE, I THINK THAT THE EAGLE ENTHUSIASTS, THE PEOPLE THAT --
WE'VE GOTTEN A FEW CRAZY EMAILS, BUT GENERALLY IF YOU READ THEM,
THEY UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY CONCERNS AS WELL.
THEY'RE JUST ASKING TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE AND THEY
WANT TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION TO.
THEY'RE NOT -- YEAH, THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE SENT NASTY
HE MAILS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THAT ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THE
CONCERN AND SOME OF THEM WILL AGREE THAT THE NESTS MIGHT BE A
LITTLE BIT TOO CLOSE, BUT THEY JUST WANT TO BE PART OF THE
SOLUTION WITH US AND SO THE LETTER IS THAT THE COUNCIL
FORMALLY TAKE A VOTE. IF THERE ARE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO
READ IT AND AGREE WITH IT, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO UNDERMINE YOU,
MARCUS, OR ADD ANYTHING TO THE AGENDA.
I JUST AM ASKING IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO JOIN IN AND JUST
ASK THEM TO RELOOK AT IT BEFORE THEY DO THIS.
THERE'S A LOT OF DATA, A LOT OF FACTS OUT THERE, HOW THIS FEMALE
EAGLE GOT KILLED. THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT
THINGS, BUT WHEN IT COMES BACK DOWN TO IT, I'M LOOKING AT THE
SCIENCE OF IT AND ARE WE BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THE TAXPAYERS'
DOLLARS, BECAUSE MANY SCIENTISTS WILL AGREE ON ME ON THIS, THAT
ITS NOT GOING TO WORK. WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ALL THIS
MONEY, NOT US, THE AIRPORT, BUT THEY'RE KIND OF US, ARE GOING TO
SPEND ALL THIS MONEY TRYING TO MOVE THESE -- TAKE THESE AWAY
AND THE EAGLES ARE JUST GOING TO RELOCATE SOMEWHERE HE IS.
SOMEBODY CALLED ME TODAY AND SAID DUH KNOW THAT THE PERMIT
EXTENDS OUT THREE TO FOUR MILES, WHICH WILL PUT THIS ON THE
AMPHIBIOUS BASIN IN THE CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH.
DID WE COMMUNICATE WITH THOSE ENTITIES TO FIND OUT IN WE CAN
GO ON THEIR PROPERTY OR IF HAPPENS.
I JUST THINK WE'RE GOING TOO FAST AND I THINK IT WAS BECAUSE
THE PRESSURE, THE AIRPORT WANTED TO ACT.
I ASKED BERNARD ON LIABILITY ON THIS AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
WANT TO WEIGH IN, BUT THE FACT IS, IS THAT IN ANY -- GOD FORBID
THERE WAS AN INCIDENT THAT, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY COULD BE LISTED AS
A DEFENDANT, YOU KNOW, IN THIS, BUT ALREADY HAVE DISPERSAL
METHODS IN PLACE THAT WE'RE DOING, AND THE OTHER SIDE OF IT
TOO, WHICH I PUT THAT IN HERE, TAKE THE EAGLES AWAY AND THEY'RE
THE BIGGEST PREDATOR OUT THERE FOR SOME OF THE OTHER BIRDS THAT
ACTUALLY HAVE CAUSED MORE PROBLEMS.
I WENT BACK AND I HAVE A BOOK THAT I WENT THROUGH AVEN LOOK AT
ALL THE -- AND LOOKED AT ALL THE BIRD STRIKES AND IT'S NOT JUST
BIRDS, IT'S FOXES, RABBITS, OTHER THINGS FROM NORFOLK
INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT AND IT'S AMAZING TO SEE WHAT SMALL
PERCENTAGE THE EAGLES ARE WHEN IT COMES TO THE INCIDENTS THAT
HAPPEN THERE AND THERE ARE SOME RESOURCES OUT THERE THAT COULD
BE LOOKED AT THAT COULD PREVENT ALL OF THAT WITHOUT REMOVING THE
NEST. SO THAT'S JUST WHERE I'M COMING
FROM. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME
SPEAKERS TONIGHT AND I THINK THEY'RE GENERALLY GOING TO BE --
TAKE A POSITIVE APPROACH TO THIS.
THEY JUST WANT TO BE INVOLVED AND HELP WITH FINDING A POSITIVE
SOLUTION TO THIS. I THINK THE NORFOLK BOTANICAL
BOARD, WHICH HAS NOT TAKEN A FORMAL POSITION ON THIS, I
TALKED WITH THE CHAIR TODAY. THEY WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS
AS WELL. THEY JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING THE RIGHT AND BEST DECISION, AND IF
AT THE END IT IS MOVING THE NESTS, REMOVING THE NESTS AND
THAT'S AFTER WE VETTED EVERYTHING AND LOOKED AT IT,
THEN THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE THING TO DO.
>> CAN I JUST SAY A COUPLE THINGS HERE.
FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE TOMMY'S PASSION.
THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS -- EVERYBODY AROUND HERE IS
CONCERNED ABOUT THESE EAGLES, NOTHING THAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE
DOING TO DO ANY HARM THAT I'M AWARE OF TO THE EAGLES.
IN FACT, TRYING TO GET THEM OUT OF HARM'S WAY.
TOMMY SAID WE WERE SORT OF UNINTENTIONALLY DRAWN INTO THIS.
I THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THE MANAGER TO BRIEF US, TELL US
THE STEPS THAT HE WAS TAKING ABOUT APPLYING FOR THIS PERMIT
AND JUST VERY -- WE CAN ARGUE AMONG OURSELVES ABOUT WHAT IS
THE BEST THING TO DO. WE CAN ARGUE WITH THE EXPERTS,
BUT WHEN THE FEDERAL AND STATE FOLKS SEND YOU A LETTER, WE
RECEIVED INSTRUCTIONS FROM THEM TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT TO MOVE
THE FLESS BECAUSE THEY -- NESTS BECAUSE THEY CONSIDERED IT AN
EXTREME SAFETY HAZARD, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ARGUE WITH THAT.
I MEAN, WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CHARGED, FOLKS WHO ARE
APPARENTLY THE AUTHORITIES, AND EVEN THOUGH WE MAY TAKE ISSUE
WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH A LOT OF STUFF THAT THEY SAY OR DO OR
DON'T DO, BUT WHEN THEY SAY THAT IS AN EXTREME SAFETY HAZARD, I
THINK THAT'S A QUOTE, AND THEN -- AND THE OTHER THING IS I
THINK MARCUS AND HIS FOLKS HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FOR WELL
OVER A YEAR NOW. THEY HAVE HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS.
WE WEREN'T ASKED TO VOTE. WE DIDN'T VOTE.
IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE CONSENSUS OF THE COUNCIL WAS THIS WAS LEFT
TO THE MANAGER. THE PAPER REPORTED THAT WAY.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY.
I APPRECIATE TOMMY'S BRINGING IT BACK TO US AGAIN, BUT MARCUS,
YOU WANT TO -- >> CAN I JUST CLARIFY ONE THING
TOO? THE FAA AND THE USDA HAVE AGREED
FOR A PERMIT TO FIND DISPERSAL, NOT NEST REMOVAL.
THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE WAYS OF DISPERSAL, AND SO --
>> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. >> AM I CORRECT IN SAYING THAT?
I MEAN, THAT'S -- THE PERMIT IS TO SHOOT IS AIR GUNS AT THEM
AND -- >> I DIDN'T READ THE LETTER BUT.
>> I THINK THAT IT -- THERE'S OTHER MEASURES THAT OTHER
AIRPORTS HAVE TAKEN, WHETHER IT'S THE MERLAND SYSTEM OR
THERE'S OTHER THINGS OUT THERE. I THINK THAT IT GIVES US THE
OPTION TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE DOING SOME OF THE DISPERSAL THAT
THEY'RE DOING, BUT ALSO THE NEST REMOVAL IF THAT'S AN OPTION.
>> YEAH, WELL THEY DID SPECIFY THE REMOVAL OF THE NEST AND SO
WHAT I'LL DO IS JUST DO A COUPLE OF QUOTES FROM THE LETTERS THAT
WERE SENT TO ME. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S
IMPORTANT IN REMOVING THE EAGLES, IF THERE WAS ANOTHER WAY
OF DOING IT, I'M ALL FOR IT, THAT STILL ENSURES SAFETY AND AS
I MENTIONED LAST WEEK, ONE OF THE ISSUES, I'M CONVINCED THAT
EVEN IF WE LOOK AT HISTORY AND WHAT HAS BEEN OCCURRING IN
DIFFERENT AIRPORTS, I'M NOT SURE THAT THERE'S ANYTHING OUT THERE
THAT IS 100% FOOLPROOF, EVEN IF THERE'S SOME MECHANISMS OUT
THERE NOW THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR, LET'S SAY, A SHORT
PERIOD OF TIME. I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS
THAT, IF YOU GO BACK TO 2011, APRIL 2011, WHEN THERE WAS AN
ANOTHER EAGLE STRIKE, THERE WAS A LETTER THAT WAS SENT IN MAY
FROM THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY DIRECTOR WHICH, YOU KNOW,
BASICALLY SAID THAT WE NEED TO EVALUATE THE RELOCATION OF THE
NEST, AND TAKE WHATEVER ACTION WE FEEL APPROPRIATE.
THAT WAS A LETTER THAT WAS SENT TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF GAME
AND INLAND FISHERIES AND ALSO TO THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND
WILDLIFE SERVICES. IT WAS ALSO COPIED TO THE
BOTANICAL GARDEN. SO AT THAT POINT, THAT MORE OR
LESS STARTED THIS PROCESS. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THROUGHOUT
THIS PROCESS, WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS TWO THINGS HAD TO OCCUR.
ONE IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A WILDLIFE HAZARD, AND IF THAT IS
SUGGESTED THERE IS AN ISSUE, THERE WOULD BE A WILDLIFE
MANAGEMENT PLAN. OVER THE NEXT NINE MONTHS, THERE
WERE SIX ENTITIES THAT WERE DISCUSSING THIS ISSUE.
IT'S THE TWO THAT I JUST MENTIONED, IT'S THE U.S.
DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, ANIMAL AND PLANT HEALTH
INSPECTION SERVICES, WILDLIFE SERVICES, THE FEDERAL AVIATION
ADMINISTRATION, NORFOLK AIRPORT AUTHORITY, AND THE BOTANICAL
GARDEN. SO FOR NINE MONTHS, THERE WERE A
SERIES OF DISCUSSIONS, WHETHER THEY'RE EMAILS OR FACE-TO-FACE
OR AD HOC GROUPS. THERE WERE DISCUSSIONS GOING ON.
AND DURING THAT TIME, THEY REVIEWED THE ASSESSMENT.
THE LETTER THAT I RECEIVED IN FEBRUARY, SOME -- AFTER THE
ASSESSMENT WAS CONCLUDED, THE SENTENCE WAS BALD EAGLES WERE
IDENTIFIED AS AN EXTREMELY HIGH HAZARD RISK TO AVIATION SAFETY
AT THE NORFOLK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT.
THEY ALSO SAID THE WILDLIFE SAFETY SERVICES REMAINS PIRMS
THAT THE NESTS AT THE GARDEN POSE A SIGNIFICANT THREAT TO
AVIATION SAFETY. THAT WAS A SPECIFIC ASK OF THE
CITY AND THE ASK WAS, WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY
OF NORFOLK MOVE FORWARD BY REQUESTING THE APPROPRIATE
PERMIT TO ENABLE THE REMOVAL OF THE BALD EAGLE NESTS AT THE
NORFOLK BOTANICAL GARDEN OUTLINED IN THE AIRPORT'S
WILDLIFE HAZARDS MANAGEMENT PLAN AND REQUESTED BY THE AIRPORT IN
CORRESPONDENCE WITH THE GARDEN IN NOVEMBER 2011, THE CONTINUED
PRESENCE OF THE NEST THERE IS A LIABILITY AND PRESENTS A
SIGNIFICANT POSE TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND TO THE SAFETY OF
EAGLES. END OF QUOTE.
THAT WAS, AGAIN, SIGNED BY GAME AND INLAND FISHERIES AT THE
STATE ENTITY, THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE
SERVICES, AND THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE SERVICES.
THEN ON JULY 24th, I GET A LETTER FROM -- VERY SIMILAR FROM
THE FAA, AND THEIR ASK IS, THE PRESENCE OF BALD EAGLES
REPRESENTS SIGNIFICANT THREAT TO FLIGHT SAFETY, WE RECOMMEND THAT
THE CITY OF NORFOLK REQUEST THE APPROPRIATE PERMIT TO ENABLE THE
REMOVAL OF THE BALD EAGLE NESTS AT THE NORFOLK BOTANICAL GARDEN,
END OF QUOTE. SO ALL IN ALL, YOU GET THESE SIX
DIFFERENT ENTITIES THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER OVER THE
COURSE OF NINE MONTHS, AND I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE MEETING
WEEKLY, BUT CLEARLY THERE'S CORRESPONDENCE BACK AND FORTH
AND SO WHEN THIS, YOU KNOW, CAME TO ME, I DIDN'T -- IT SEEMED
MORE LIKE THE WHAT, WHAT WERE WE SUPPOSED TO DO AND THE ASK WAS
TO REQUEST THE PERMIT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.
THE HOW IS NOT THAT SIMPLE IN TERMS OF HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE
THAT THERE'S DISCUSSION AND EVERYBODY IS AROUND THE TABLE,
MAKING SURE WE REALLY PUT OUR THINKING CAPS ON AND HOW THIS
CAN WORK, BUT TO ME, IF WE DID NOT APPLY FOR THE PERMIT AND
THAT WAS THE ASK, I FOUND IT VERY DIFFICULT NOT TO TAKE THAT
NEXT STEP AND FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE ASK.
>> AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I THINK THAT THAT'S FINE.
I JUST WANT TO GET BACK TO THE SCIENCE, THAT THE ONLY THING
THAT THE USDA AND WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT PRESENTED TO THE FAA
WAS THE NEST REMOVAL, THEN THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT EVER
TRICKLED IT'S WAY BACK DOWN TO YOUR OFFICE WAS NEST REMOVAL
WITHOUT LOOKING AT ANY OTHER TYPES OF MEDIATION OR
REMEDIATION, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, THAT ARE OUT THERE
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT GROUPS DOES.
THAT'S HOW THEY MITIGATE THINGS, BUT THERE WERE OTHER THINGS OUT
THERE AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE CONCERN CAME FROM, AND I THINK
THE NORFOLK -- THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE AT THE TABLE AT THE
NORFOLK BOTANICAL GARDENS, FROM WHAT I WAS TOLD, THEY FELT LIKE
THEY DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A VOICE AFTER THOSE MEETINGS.
THAT THEIR OPINION WAS NOT -- IT MATTER.
THE DECISION WAS ALREADY MADE, SO I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT AT
THAT, BUT PEOPLE WILL SPEAK TONIGHT AND THERE'S AN ONLINE
PETITION OF 2700 PEOPLE, NOT JUST IN NORFOLK, PEOPLE THAT
HAVE -- WERE PLANNING ON COMING HERE IN APRIL, MAKING PLANS AND
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PART OF IT, THAT SIDE OF IT TOO, THE DOLLARS
THAT COME IN. I THINK THE IMPACT ON THE
BOTANICAL GARDENS ON THIS, IF THERE WERE OTHER OPTIONS OUT
THERE, I JUST HOPE THAT THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY BOARD AND THE
NORFOLK BOTANICAL GARDENS BOARDS, WHICH WE APPOINT, WOULD
HAVE TAKEN A FORMAL NOTE ON THIS AND NOT JUST LEFT IT WITH A
DIRECTOR TELLING YOU THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY SAID.
YOU KNOW, I WOULD HAVE HOPED THAT THEY WOULD HAVE VOTED ON IT
AND APPARENTLY THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
>> LET ME ASK ONE QUESTION ABOUT THIS LIABILITY.
HAVING BEEN DIRECTED, IT SEEPS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD, YOU
KNOW, YOU MENTION WE CAN BE SUED FOR ANYTHING THAT -- BERNARD,
CAN YOU ELABORATE WHETHER THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT POTENTIAL FOR
LIABILITY OR THERE IS NOT IF WE DON'T FOLLOW THE MANDATE?
THIS IS A BIG CONCERN OF MINE. >> I WOULD SAY THAT THERE IS,
THAT IF AN EAGLE CAUSED THE DEATH OF PASSENGERS, THERE'S
LAWYERS REPRESENTING THE ESTATES OF THOSE PASSENGERS WHO WOULD
NAME THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY OR WHERE THE NESTS WERE
MAINTAINED AND ONE OF THEIR POSSIBLE CAUSES OF ACTION WOULD
BE THE MAINTENANCE OF A NUISANCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
SO THAT IF IF AIRPORT PERCEIVES THE EAGLES NESTS AND THE
BOTANICAL GARDENS CAUSE THE NESTS TO BE THERE AFTER THAT AND
THESE EXPERTS ARE SAYING IT'S CREATION PRESENTS A RISK TO THE
LIFE OF PASSENGERS THAT FLY, SO IF NA UNLIKELY EVENT THAT NOBODY
WANTED TO HAPPEN HAPPENED, I DON'T THINK THERE'S A
PLAINTIFF'S LAWYER WORTH HIS SALT WHO WOULD NOT INCLUDE THE
DEFENDANT AS A CITY AS THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY FROM WHICH THE
EAGLES FLEW INTO THE PLANE. >> SO DO YOU THINK WE HAVE A
LEGITIMATE -- >> IT WOULD BE A SERIOUS
LAWSUIT, YES. >> WHAT ABOUT A GOOSE?
IF A GOOSE THOUGHT THAT -- I'M JUST PLAYING THE DEVIL'S
ADVOCATE. >> WELL, IF GOOSES -- GEESE WERE
THE SAME -- [ LAUGHTER ]
IF IT WAS OF THE SAME RISK AND THE BOTANICAL GARDENS DID THE
SAME CULTIVATION AFTER THE FACT, YES, YOU HAVE THE SAME, SIMILAR
EXPOSURE. >> I'M SAYING IF WE ROUNDED UP
THE GEESE -- >> RIGHT.
COULD THEY DO THE SAME TYPES OF DISPERSAL -- THEY DO THE SAME
TYPE OF DISPERSE SALS FOR ALL THE BIRDS, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT
THE EAGLE ENTHUSIASTS ARING AING, THAT THERE'S NO GREATER
PERCENTAGE OF THREAT EAGLES THAN THE OTHER BIRD --
>> LOOK, I'D LIKE TO CUT THIS OFF.
TOMMY SAID AT THE END -- THE QUESTION IS THE RIGHT THING TO
DO. IT ISN'T JUST A QUESTION OF
COULD YOU GET SUED, IN MY OPINION.
WELL, IT IS AND IT ISN'T. I MEAN WHAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO
DO WHEN YOU'VE BEEN TOLD BUY EXPERTS IN THE FIELD THAT YOU'VE
GOT -- WORDS LIKE EXTREMELY HIGH, HAZARD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT
ELSE YOU DO. TRY TO GET RID OF THE HAZARD.
AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S -- I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE BITE THAT STUFF OFF
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU DO. OKAY.
THANK YOU, TOMMY. MR. MANAGER, BIKES ON SIDEWALKS.
>> FOR TIMING, MAYOR, WE'D LIKE TO MOVE ONE UP, STANHOPE.
>> OKAY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
OR EVENING, I GUESS. I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY SAYING THAT
THIS IS A UNIQUE CREATIVE PROGRAM THAT IS COMING TO
FRUITION, FINALLY AFTER MANY, MANY MONTHS AND LOTS OF MEETINGS
BETWEEN THE CITY, SECOND CHANCES AND THE COMMUNITY OF
CHESTERFIELD HEIGHTS AND WE HAVE SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
MEETING HERE IN THE AUDIENCE, SO DIE-HARDS THAT HAVE BEEN TO
MANY, MANY MEETINGS TRYING TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND I'D LIKE TO
HAVE THEM STAND UP IF I COULD. WE HAVE CHERYL SUMNER, AND I
DON'T THINK -- STEVE DIDN'T MAKE IT YET, RIGHT?
HER HUSBAND IS ALSO MEETING WITH US.
YVONNE JONES FROM CHESTERFIELD HEIGHTS AND DOUG CLEMMONS HAS
BEEN COMING TO OUR MEETINGS AND THEN WE HAVE ALFONSO ALBERT, AND
MARY LEE, IS SHE AROUND SOMEWHERE?
SHE'S BEEN WORKING WITH US THIS SUMMER, OUR SUMMER INTERN, SO
ALL OF THOSE FOLKS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT TO MAKE
IT HAPPEN FOR US, AND ALSO CYNTHIA THOMPSON FROM SECOND
CHANCES HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US AND SHE'S NOT HERE THIS EVENING,
COULDN'T MAKE IT. THIS IS A UNIQUE, A VERY UNIQUE
PROJECT. THE STANHOPE HOUSE WAS A BOYS
HOME THAT WAS THEN VACANT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND DECIDED TO
MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY
AND SORT OF GROW THE COMMUNITY IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS.
THE MISSION WAS PUT TOGETHER BY THE CHESTERFIELD HEIGHTS GROUP.
THIS IS THE MISSION AFTER WORKING THROUGH AND LOOKING AT
WHAT WE'D LIKE TO ACCOMPLISH. I'M GOING TO READ IT.
A COMMUNITY PARTNERING TOGETHER FOR LIFE-CHANGING INITIATIVES.
THIS PARTNERSHIP WILL PROMOTE EDUCATION, MENTORING PROGRAMS,
HEALTHCARE AND RECOVERY, GEARED TOWARD ALL RESIDENTS.
AND WE EMPHASIZE ALL RESIDENTS. IT'S BEEN A COLLABORATION, WE'VE
BEEN MEETING TOGETHER, THE CITY, CHESTERFIELD HEIGHTS AND SECOND
CHANCES FOR SEVERAL YEARS TO CONVERT THIS FORMER BOYS HOME TO
SOMETHING THAT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
CHESTERFIELD HEIGHTS WOULD HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER ON THE FIRST
FLOOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR WOULD BE A HOMES FOR 12 NONVIOLENT
EX-OFFENDER WOMEN GOING TO HARBOR HOUSE OR COMING BACK AND
ENTERING INTO SOCIETY. THE FIRST FLOOR IS A KITCHEN, A
DINING ROOM, A LARGE COMMUNITY ROOM, A COUPLE OF OFFICES, AND A
FITNESS ROOM. SECOND CHANCES ON THE SECOND
FLOOR IS SIX RESIDENTIAL BEDROOMS, TWO WOMEN PER BEDROOM,
A KITCHEN, A DINING ROOM, AND A LIVING ROOM FOR THEM, AND AN
OFFICE FOR THE STAFF. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A
WHILE. THE CITY HAS BEEN VERY
INSTRUMENTAL IN USING STIMULUS FUNDS TO REHAB THIS
7900-SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING. WE ALSO PURCHASED THE CDBG
MONEY, THE TWO LOTS ADJACENT TO IT WHEN THEY CAME UP FOR SALE,
AND WE WILL CONTINUE PROVIDING UTILITIES AND MAINTENANCE COSTS
TO THE BUILDING NOW AND WE'LL DO THAT THROUGH THIS NEXT YEAR.
CHESTERFIELD HEIGHTS CIVIC ASSOCIATION IS EXCITED ABOUT
USING VOLUNTEERS AND PEOPLE OUT OF THE COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP
PROGRAMMING FOR THE FIRST FLOOR AND THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT ALL
KINDS OF PROGRAMMING. PROGRAMMING FOR YOUTH AFTER
SCHOOL, SENIORS, FITNESS CLASSES, HOW TO MANAGE YOUR
FINANCES, CULINARY IN THE KITCHEN, ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN
THAT FIRST FLOOR COMMUNITY ROOM THAT THEY WOULD -- THAT THEY
WOULD OPERATE THEMSELVES. THIS ISN'T A CITY OPERATION.
IT'S TRULY GOING TO BE OPERATED BY THE COMMUNITY.
SECOND CHANCES WOULD PROVIDE FOR THE SUPERVISION AND THE -- ALL
THE SERVICES FOR THE WOMEN ON THE SECOND FLOOR, WHICH WOULD
INCLUDE COUNSELING, JOB READINESS, SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND
OTHER SERVICES. ACTUALLY WORKING MUCH LIKE
HARBOR HOUSE DOES NOW FOR THE MEN.
THE RENOVATIONS THAT WE HAVE MADE TO THE BUILDING ARE ALMOST
TO A CLOSE. WE PUT AN ELEVATOR SHAFT ON THE
LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE BUILDING, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, SO THAT
THE SECOND FLOOR WOULD BE ADA ACCESSIBLE.
WE HAVE WORKED WITH GREEN THROUGHOUT.
WEED SAID IT WAS STIMULUS FUND, THAT WE HAVE GREEN TECHNIQUES IN
THIS BUILDING. TWO OF THE MAJOR GREEN THINGS
WEREPLACED ALL THE WINDOWS SO THAT THEY ARE VERY -- THEY'RE
INSULATED, AND WE ALSO REPLACED THE HEATING AND COOLING SYSTEM
WHICH WAS IN BAD SHAPE AND NOW WE HAVE ONE THAT'S VERY
EFFICIENT FOR THE BUILDING. WE HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT NOW
WHERE WE'RE OUTFITTING THE BUILDING.
THE DOWNSTAIRS, SOME OF THE CDBG OLYMPIAN IS GOING TO BE BUYING
SOME OF THE FURNITURE FOR THE COMMUNITY ROOM DOWNSTAIRS.
THE COMMUNITY HAS CONTRIBUTED ALSO TO SOME OF THE JUT FITTING
OF THEDOWN -- OUTFITTING OF THE DOWNSTAIRS.
THE UPSTAIRS FOR THE SECOND CHANCES, WOMEN, WE'RE GOING TO
BE GOING TO THE HAMPTON ROADS COMMUNITY FOUNDATION TO SEE IF
THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO HELP US IN OUTFITTING THE FURNISHINGS ON
THE SECOND FLOOR. ALFONSO IS PUTTING THAT TOGETHER
AND WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING IN ANOTHER WEEK OR SO, I THINK,
WEEK OR TWO. WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU IN
THE FUTURE WITH LEASES, A LEASE FOR THE FIRST FLOOR WITH THE
CHESTERFIELD HEIGHTS, THEIR CDC, AND THEN WITH SECOND CHANCES ON
THE SECOND FLOOR. OUR NEXT THING WILL BE TO
FURNISH THE BUILDING AND THEN TO MOVE IN.
IT'S A VERY INNOVATIVE, DIFFERENT KIND OF APPROACH, AND
WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF PARTNERING GOING ON WITHIN THIS PROJECT, SO
THE CITY AND THEN THE TWO TENANTS OF THE BUILDING, BOTH
PARTNERING WITH THE CITY, BUT ALSO PARTNERING WITH EACH OTHER
AND PARTNERING WITH THEIR OWN CONSTITUENTS BACK INTO THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND BACK INTO -- BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN
MANY WAYS. >> QUESTIONS?
>> AND THE REASON ANNE BROUGHT IT TONIGHT BECAUSE AT SOME POINT
COUNCIL WILL BE VOTING ON THE -- WE OWN THE PROPERTY.
>> WE OWN THE PROPERTY, WE OWN -- YES, WE OWN THE PROPERTY.
>> WHAT IS -- DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ASK IS FOR THE COMMUNITY?
HAVE YOU GOT A NUMBER? >> IT'S AROUND 100,000.
WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE -- WE NEED TO BUY THE APPLIANCES FOR
THE KITCHEN FOR THE FIRST FLOOR AND FOR THE SECOND FLOOR, AND
THEN ALL THE FURNISHINGS FOR THE SECOND FLOOR.
SO IT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND 100,000, WHAT THE ESTIMATE IS AT
THIS POINT IN TIME. >> MAY I ASK A QUESTION?
>> SURE. >> THE FOUNDATION DONATING
APPLIANCES AND ALSO OTHER BUILDING MATERIALS AS WELL AS
THEY HAVE CONTRACTORS THAT DONATE LABOR, TOO, AND EAST
COAST APPLIANCES, IF YOU CAN'T GET THEM DONATED, THEY HAVE A
GREAT SCRATCH AND DENT AND -- >> PAID ADVERTISEMENT.
>> PAID ADVERTISEMENT. >> WE HAVE A SPONSOR FOR THE
COMMUNITY NOW. >> THANK YOU, THAT'S GOOD.
>> YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WAY TO GO TO HAVE A COMMUNITY FOUNDATION.
WE CAN TALK LATER, YOU CAN GET A GRANT TO GO WITH THAT.
>> SORRY, ARE WE ON BIKES? THE BIKES --
>> PARKING PLACES AND ALL THAT STUFF.
>> WE'RE ALSO BRINGING TO YOU TONIGHT AN ORDINANCE ON BIKES ON
SIDEWALKS, SO I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT AS A WALK-UP FOR
TONIGHT'S CONSIDERATION. WE'VE GOT HEALTHY NORFOLK
HAPPENING ALL AROUND US, AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT
WILL HELP US WITH HEALTHY NORFOLK.
THE STAFF WAS ASKED TO LOOK INTO ELIMINATING OUR BICYCLE
REGISTRATION AND TO ALSO ALLOW PEOPLE TO RIDE THEIR BIKES ON
SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED PRESENTLY.
SO WE HAVE -- WE HAVE HAD FOR A WHILE STAFF TECHNICAL ADVISORY
COMMITTEE AND THIS WENT TO THAT COMMITTEE.
THEY MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WENT
FOR DISCUSSION TO THE COUNCIL EDUCATION AND FAMILY COMMITTEE.
THE COUNCIL THEN APPOINTED THE BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN TRAILS
COMMISSION AND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS WERE ALSO TAKEN
TO THAT COMMISSION FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND THOSE COMESES
ARE NOW IN THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU WILL BE LOOK AT THIS
EVENING. IN TERMS OF --
>> THAT MEANS THAT THE CHANGES THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BY ONE OF
THE COMMISSION MEMBERS HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED IN THE ORDINANCE?
>> YES. THERE IS -- IN THIS ORDINANCE,
AND THEY HAVE ALSO -- THEY'RE ALSO HAVING A RETREAT, I THINK
IT'S IN SEPTEMBER, TO COME BACK WITH OTHER THINGS THEY WANT TO
BRING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION.
>> SO NOT -- ATTACHED SPECIFICALLY TO THIS.
>> CORRECT. >> DID THE COMMISSION SEE THE
CHANGES THAT YOU ALL MADE IN THIS ORDINANCE AFTER THEIR
RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MADE? >> YES.
SENT TO THE COMMISSION -- YES. >> AFTER IT'S BEEN CHANGED.
>> AFTER IT'S BEEN CHANGED. THEY AGREE WITH -- THIS IS THE,
CONCERNING THE REGISTRATION OF THE BICYCLES.
THEY AGREE WITH THE ELIMINATION OF THE REQUIREMENT.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD STILL LIKE TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE
TO REGISTER BICYCLES SO THAT IF THEY FIND A BICYCLE SOMEWHERE,
THEY CAN TRY TO GET IT BACK TO THE OWNER.
THE COMMISSION, THOUGH, WOULD LIKE TO -- THE COMMISSION WOULD
LIKE TO EXPLORE FURTHER AND THEY WILL BE DOING THAT, THE ISSUE OF
ABANDONED VEHICLES, AND I SAY ABANDONED VEHICLES, FIRST OF
ALL, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO IDENTIFY THEM AND IF THEY ARE
ABANDONED OR NOT, AND HOW YOU CAN GET THEM BACK TO THEIR
OWNERS. THEY WILLS COMING BACK AFTER
THEY HAVE MORE SESSION ON THAT. >> AND I THINK DR. WHIBLEY'S
QUESTION, WAS WITH ME EARLIER, THE COMMISSION HAD A NUMBER OF
RECOMMENDATIONS. WE -- ALL OF THOSE
RECOMMENDATIONS ARE NOT IN THIS ORDINANCE.
>> CORRECT, THEY ARE NOT. >> BUT SOME OF THEM ARE.
>> BUT SOME ARE. >> SOME ARE.
THEY SUPPORT THE ONES THAT ARE HERE, BUT THERE'S MORE THAT ARE
COMING TO YOU THAT ARE NOT IN THIS ORDINANCE.
>> DO THOSE IDEAS PERTAIN TO RIDING BIKES ON SIDEWALKS?
>> NO. SHE STILL HAS A QUESTION MARK ON
HER FACE. >> YOU KNOW -- THAT'S SOMETHING
NEW. [ LAUGHTER ]
I FELT THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M CONTENT IF WE LOOKED AT WHAT THE
RECOMMENDATION OF ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS WAS TO CHANGING
THIS ORDINANCE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE STRONGER.
I'M PLEASED THAT YOU'VE LOOKED AT THAT.
I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE HAD THE REVISED ORDINANCE AND AGAIN,
I KNOW THIS IS IMPORTANT TO -- I'M HOPING, THOUGH, IN THE
FUTURE THAT'S HOW THIS COMMISSION WILL BE USED, TO
ACTUALLY BE LOOKING AT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CHANGES.
>> WE KIND OF CAUGHT THIS IN THE MIDDLE.
IT WAS COMING THROUGH AND THEN THE COMMISSION GOT APPOINTED.
>> RIGHT. >> WE TRIED TO GO BACK AND LOOK
AT INCORPORATING THIS INTO THIS, SO FROM NOW ON, THEY ARE -- THEY
ARE A COMMISSION, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN MEETING,
THEY'RE GOING TO IDENTIFY THE ISSUES THEY WANT TO ADDRESS AND
THEN COME BACK TO US, SO NOW WE'RE GETTING IN THE RIGHT
SEQUENCE. THE COMMISSION MEMBERS DID
SUPPORT ALLOWING THE BICYCLES ON THE SIDEWALKS EVEN THOUGH THEY
REALIZED THAT THAT MAY PRESENT SOME SAFETY CONCERNS, SO WE HAVE
SOME SORT OF CAVEATS AROUND HAVING BICYCLES ON SIDEWALKS.
BICYCLES ON SIDEWALKS WOULD BE PROHIBITED IN PEDESTRIAN-HEAVY
AREAS AND AREAS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PEDESTRIAN
FRIENDLY. BIKES WOULD BE ANNUAL LOUD ON
SIDEWALKS IN OTHER AREAS -- ALLOWED ON SIDEWALKS IN OTHER
AREAS OF THE CITY, SO PEOPLE COULD TRAVERSE THE CITY ON
SIDEWALKS. PEOPLE WOULD BE BY THIS
ORDINANCE REQUIRED TO USE BIKE LANES IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE,
EXCEPT FOR ADULTS RIDING WITH THEIR SMALL CHILDREN, THEN THEY
CAN RIDE ON THE SIDEWALKS TO GET AS FAR AWAY FROM TRAFFIC AS
POSSIBLE. >> ANNE?
>> YES. >> HOW DO YOU DEFINE A
PEDESTRIAN-FRIENDLY AREA? >> I'M GETTING THERE.
>> SORRY, I JUST -- >> A PEDESTRIAN -- SO THE PLACES
WHERE YOU COULD NOT RIDE A BIKE ON A SIDEWALK, BE ABLE TO RIDE
IT IN OTHER PLACES, ARE IN THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS DISTRICT AND
THE PEDESTRIAN OVERLAY DISTRICT. SO THAT IS 21st AND COLLEY, 35th
STREET, RIVERVIEW, BROAD CREEK, AND FIVE POINTS.
SO THOSE AREAS WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO RIDE BICYCLES ON SIDEWALKS.
YOU COULD STILL BIKE -- HE CAN STILL RIDE THEM ON THE STREET OR
YOU COULD WALK THEM ON THE SIDEWALK, SO YOU CAN -- YOU
KNOW, BUT YOU JUST CAN'T RIDE THEM ON A SIDEWALK BECAUSE
THEY'RE VERY -- A LOT OF THOSE SIDEWALKS ARE VERY CONGESTED.
>> WE HAVE GOLF CARTS. >> YOU CAN HAVE GOLF CARTS.
THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY MOTORIZED VEHICLES ON SIDEWALKS, AND WE
ALREADY TALKED ABOUT USING THE BIKE LANES.
>> WHEN YOU SAY SIDEWALKS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
SIDEWALKS BETWEEN THE VERGE AND HOMES, BUT NOT THE SIDEWALKS
LIKE IN THE PARKS. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE A
LINEAR PARK THAT HAS A WIDTH, A BAND ABOUT SIX FEET --
>> WHERE YOU CAN RIDE. >> WHERE YOU CAN RIDE.
>> YES. >> SO THAT WON'T BE PROHIBITED
THERE, WOULD IT? >> CORRECT, IT WOULD NOT.
>> OKAY. >> THIS IS WHERE I'M -- WHERE IT
WILL BE PERMITTED. THIS IS EXAMPLES WHERE IT WILL
BE PERMITTED. >> CURBS, SIDEWALKS.
>> THIS IS A SIDEWALK AND THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO RIDE A
BICYCLE ON THAT SIDEWALK. THEY HAVE TO YIELD TO
PEDESTRIANS. THE COMMERCIAL OVERLAY DISTRICT,
IN DOWNTOWN, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO RIDE ON SIDEWALKS
LIKE THIS. THIS IS WHERE THEY WOULD NOT BE
ALLOWED TO RIDE. THIS ONE HAPPENS TO BE ON
COLLEY, BUT IT'S VERY CONGESTED ON THE SIDEWALK, AND SO RIDING A
BICYCLE HERE IS -- WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED.
SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE THAT IS
BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. AS WE GET MORE BIKE FRIENDLY AND
GO THROUGH BICYCLING IN THE CITY, COME BACK AND REVIF THE
POLICY. WE MAY HAVE OTHER CODE CHANGES
RECOMMENDED BY THE COMMISSION, WE FULLY EXPECT THAT, AND THAT
WOULD COME BACK TO YOU. THEY WILL BE HAVING THEIR
PLANNING SESSION IN SEPTEMBER AND IDENTIFY UG THE ISSUES THAT
WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU AND WE'LL WORK WITH THEM ALSO ON
EDUCATING PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT THE BICYCLE ORDINANCE IS BALL AND
WHERE YOU CAN AND CAN'T RIDE. THEN AS WE ALSO DETERMINE WHAT
INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE MADE, WE'LL COME BACK TO
YOU WITH THAT. >> I'M JUST CURIOUS, DO WE HAVE
ANY DATA THAT SHOWS HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ISSUED TICKETS
FOR RIDING THEIR BIKES -- I JUST -- I MEAN, IF THEY'RE -- SO
WE'RE JUST, RIGHT, JUST KIND OF MAKING THIS SOMETHING THAT'S
ALREADY HAPPENING. [ ALL SPEAKING AT ONCE ]
>> WELL, IT IS INTERESTING YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE A
CIVIL CASE WHERE SOMEBODY IS RIDING A BICYCLE ON A SIDEWALK
WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE BY THIS ORDINANCE, THE NEW ORDINANCE,
AND BE TREATED LIKE A PEDESTRIAN, AND BUT CURRENTLY IF
SOMEBODY IS RIDING ON THE SIDEWALK, COMES DOWN THE
SIDEWALK, HE'S TREATED DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE HE'S NOT
ALLOWED TO RIDE THE BIKE ON THE SIDEWALK, AND THAT COULD BE
CONSIDERED NEGLIGENCE. AND THIS CAME UP IN A PARTICULAR
LEGAL CASE, IN A CIVIL CASE, SO IT DOES HAVE CERTAIN
RAMIFICATIONS IN CIVIL LIABILITY, NOT FOR THE CITY, BUT
FOR MOTORISTS AND FOR OTHERS. IT DOESN'T TAKE -- DOESN'T
OBVIATE THE DEFENSE OF LOOKOUT THAT'S REQUIRED BY ANY
PEDESTRIAN OR BY ANY BICYCLE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE
STATUTE SAYING YOU CAN'T RIDE, IT'S UNLAWFUL, THAT PERSON
CANNOT RECOVER. I CAN ALSO TELL YOU THAT
OFFICERS, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY NOT ISSUE A SUMMONS, WILL DIRECT
INDIVIDUALS OFF THE SIDEWALKS AND SO NOT -- THEY MAY NOT ISSUE
THE SUMMONS TO THAT INDIVIDUAL, BUT IT DOES PLACE THEM BACK ON
THE CITY STREET, WHICH IS AT TIMES EXTREMELY DANGEROUS, SO IT
DOES HAVE CERTAIN RAMIFICATIONS, WHETHER IT BE THE INDIVIDUAL --
THE CIVIL LIABILITY SIDE OF IT WHEN IT COMES TO AUTO POLICIES.
AGAIN, NOT OBVIATING DEFENSES, AND THE ISSUE OF HAVING AN
OFFICER EVEN HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT, SO --
>> ARE WE COMING OUT WITH SOME PUBLIC RELATIONS?
HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO KNOW THIS?
ARE YOU GOING TO SIGN THE AREAS THAT ARE NOT -- YOU CAN RIDE
WHERE THE SIGNS THAT SAY -- >> WE HAVE FOUR INTERNS OVER
THERE. WHO ARE NOW EMPLOYEES.
>> WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME. >> SURE.
>> IS THERE A CLAUSE ANYWHERE IN THERE, IF THERE'S A SPECIAL
EVENT HAPPENING WHERE THERE'S SIDEWALKS, WHERE THERE ARE
PEDESTRIANS, THAT THEY -- BIKES CAN'T BE ON IT?
>> NO. >> OKAY.
>> SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED -- >> I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE
NEED TO COME BACK WITH. >> WE'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF
TIME HERE, AND THE ATTORNEY SAID HE NEEDS TO TALK TO US IN CLOSED
SESSION. THE CHOICE NEIGHBORHOOD UPDATES,
I'M SORRY YOU CAME DOWN HERE, BUT CAN WE HOLD THAT TO OUR NEXT
MEETING? I MEAN --
>> CHERYL, I'M SORRY -- >> YOU WOULDN'T HAVE MISSED THIS
FOR ANYTHING, WOULD YOU? >> WE'RE GOING TO -- I MEAN,
WE'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF TIME, I PROMISE YOU.
WE'VE ONLY GOT 10 OR 15 MORE MINUTES.
AT SOME POINT, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT KIDS SKATEBOARDING, OUR
POLICE OFFICERS JUST TELLING THEM PLEASE GET OFF THE STREET
OR -- >> OFF THE STEPS AND OFF THE --
>> MR. MAYOR, MOVE THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL MEET IN CLOSED
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