How to get started in miniature gaming - On The Table Hangout


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BOYAN: Hello, internet.
Welcome to the Geek and Sundry Google Hangout.
My name is Boyan Radakovich and I'm an associate producer
on a show you might know called Table Top.
And I am here hanging out with my friends on the table.
Guys, I'll let you introduce yourselves.
So why don't we get this thing started off?
We're going to talk about gaming, specifically getting
you guys into more strategy and hardcore
gaming like war gaming.
I'll tell my story and then we'll kind of run around the
table and talk about what got us into gaming and where we're
at gamer-wise.
So I, probably like a lot of people, started gaming with
Dungeons and Dragons, good lord, don't
make me do the math--
years ago.
I have been playing a very long time.
And my first character was a human thief called Boyan.
It was a awesome character.
And that got me in--
SAM: Theives are always awesome, man.
BOYAN: Yeah, I know.
My imagination was amazing when I was eight.

Yeah, so I got into it that way.
I was basically hooked from the beginning.
And once I got into junior high, I was playing all the
Dragonlance games.
I got really, really into it.
From there, I got into board games.
And then when Magic the Gathering came out, that
sealed the deal.
And I've been play magic, and board games, and role-playing
quite a lot.
And if you remember the old school wizards that have
forbidden talent like, they can cast those
spells, but not others.
WARREN: Yeah.
Yeah.
BOYAN: Was always that, for me.
I couldn't get into like, 40K and [? Oards, ?]
and all that kind of stuff.
But I could do skirmish-level stuff.
And I think it's because it felt a little bit more
approachable from a board game standpoint, like tactics and
that sort of thing.
So today, we're going to talk about taking it from where I'm
at to the next level and some other games that people should
be playing.
So that's my story.
Warren, you want to give it a go?
WARREN: Yeah, why not.
So I'm Warren, the current present of On the Table, until
we can find a hot lady to take my place.
[LAUGHTER]
WARREN: Applications are very welcome, girls.
So we want to get some lady talent on the shows.
Gaming, well, it started as a youngster.

For me, it started with video gaming, you know, on the
Atari, and then on the Spectrum.
And we had this great, amazing game on the Spectrum called
Chaos, which was a wizard in each corner.
And those little wizards cast spells likely gooey blobs, and
red dragons, and stuff like that.
And I had a character called Warzan.
So that kind of development and I got into role playing.
A guy came from England when we were like 11 or 12 and told
us about this great thing, you know, called Dungeons and
Dragons and how you make it up as you go along.
We had no rule books.
And we literally did just draw maps and make it
up as we went along.
BOYAN: Sweet.
WARREN: And that was where we learned about
100-sided dice, man.
[LAUGHTER]
BEN: Glorious dice.
WARREN: Yeah.
So from that, we then discovered a
game called Hero Guest.
And then that was when I discovered I had the
miniatures gene.
You know, where I had a gene that just left me completely
besotted with miniatures, you know.
Before that, I'd always played the toy soldiers, well,
plastic army men.
We've all done that.
I always loved them.
I loved my "Star Wars" and stuff like that.
But now, I was truly into miniatures.
So it kind of then developed from there.
Obviously, you take a break because you grow up, you
discover cars and girls.
So I took a bit of a break there.
[INAUDIBLE]
BOYAN: Right?
WARREN: Yeah.
So then came back into it.
And, you know, love playing 40K.
Now, we are exposed to so many games and stuff now.
You know, we get to pick and choose.
And I recently got back into Dungeon and Dragons thanks to
one of the team members we have, Andy.
And I now am completely rock and roll
in Dungeon and Dragons.
Because I have a character called Bull
Rosseruus that is--
SAM: Oh, no.
WARREN: That just kicks ass.
And then Bull Rosserous, to the theme tune of "Hawaii 5-0"
I might add.
SAM: Every time.
WARREN: Turns into Sharkeroserous.
[LAUGHTER]
WARREN: Sharkeroserous is like the--
BEN: Oh, dear.
WARREN: Whole version of Bull Rosserous And Sharkeroserous
completely kicks ass.
[LAUGHTER]
WARREN: To say I'm enjoying Dungeons and Dragons at the
moment is kind of like an understatement.
I am just loving Bull Rosserous and Sharkeroserous
at the moment.
So I'm looking forward to chatting with you guys and
answering any questions and stuff you have and seeing if
we can guide some of you guys through those first tentative
steps from the board gaming and the role playing you're
going to let you, you know, start to explore the actual
war gaming side and the collecting and painting side
because it's an amazing hobby.
BOYAN: Yeah, absolutely.
So how about my other guys here?
WARREN: Ben, do you want to have a go?
BEN: Yeah, sure.
Well, I'm Ben.
And I write the script with Sam for On the Table as well
as a few of the things for the side as well.
I weirdly came in on the war gaming side of things.
That was my first step into, you know, gaming and geekdom
and stuff like that.
And I remember I was at school and we, like, talked about it
in the dining room queue and stuff.
And that sort of spurred me on to actually start playing the
games [INAUDIBLE] games, Warhammer 40K
and Warhammer Fantasy.
From that point on, I mean, I wasn't very good at paint the
miniatures or anything at the beginning and I don't think
anybody is really.
SAM: I'm still lost.
[LAUGHTER]
BEN: They're just like red blobs with a couple of massive
eyes on the top of them.
But the evilish and then sort of went onto doing more
miniatures, war games.
And then eventually we went into board gaming, which
wasn't actually that long ago.
It was probably about maybe five years ago that we
actually started board gaming properly.
And from that point on, we've actually done a lot more stuff
through the games that came from people like Fantasy
Flight, Rio Grande, and companies like them.
And that sort of pushed us on to do the other side of this
game world and things.
So yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to going back
into miniatures war gaming stuff now.
And I've been playing a few more games recently from a few
different systems and stuff.
So I've got to store all these rules in my head and get them
translated and it'll be fine.
[LAUGHTER]
SAM: Yeah.
[LAUGHTER]
BOYAN: That's awesome.
Sam, you want to jump in here and let us know how you got
into gaming?
SAM: Yeah.
BOYAN: What's your favorite?
SAM: Sure.
Well, I'm Sam.
Like Ben, I'm one of the writers for On the Table and a
journalist on the site.
I got into gaming due to miniatures.
Back in primary school--
WARREN: Sam, can I also just interrupt you
while you're coughing.
Because you're also the amazing hair of [INAUDIBLE].
SAM: Yes, I am the hair.
WARREN: Look at that thing.
[LAUGHTER]
SAM: Yeah.
But I got into war gaming when a mate of mine in primary
school called Chris Bingham, who is actually a bit of an
internet celeb himself how, he showed me some Warhammer
miniatures he had.
And from that moment on, I was hooked, went to a couple of
Warhammer club things, tried to set up one up in the high
school I went to in England.
And then I moved over to here in Northern Ireland.
And I kind of drifted out of war gaming until a mate of
mine told me about these great guys, they're
called Beasts of War.
And they're here in this [INAUDIBLE].
I went along to one of their sessions.
And I walked into their store room.
And I didn't even know there were
other games than Warhammer.
It was just, I want to play everything.
WARREN: Right.
[LAUGHTER]
SAM: And Warren will back me up on this.
For two and a half years, I've just been
going, oh, a new game?
I want to play that.
WARREN: Yeah.
SAM: I want to play that.
WARREN: Yeah.
It's a bit like that here.
You know, it's like walking into Aladdin's cave to go into
our schedule room.
SAM: Yeah.
Yeah.
WARREN: Seeing the games that we've either covered or are
about to cover, it's just extraordinary.
And most people don't realize the depth of the miniatures
and the gaming market.
We're in the golden age or we're entering the golden age
of gaming, I believe.
And we will have a lot to thank video
gaming for in this.
Because I think video gaming is spurring people to say,
well, I enjoy gaming, but I'd like to try a different kind
of gaming as well.
So I don't think we've ever had it so good.
BOYAN: Yeah.
SAM: Especially with things like Dawn of War.
Sorry.
BOYAN: Go ahead, Sam.

WARREN: I think we've got a politeness
bottleneck here, gents.
[LAUGHTER]
BOYAN: Well, I'm American.
So I can be rude.
When I go on panels it's a common question, like, do you
feel like there's a renaissance happening, like
there's a resurgence of tabletop gaming?
I say, absolutely, you know.
BEN: Yeah, definitely yeah.
BOYAN: The show, Table Top, is a big part of that.
But it's because of the underlying
current that's out there.
I mean, there's new players all the time, stores are
popping up.
I mean, it's awesome.
I love it.
And there's absolutely no shame in saying, yeah, I'm a
gamer, you know.
And right now it's very easy to get people to come over to
your house, hang out, and play games.
And you can introduce them to the nice, casual play games.
But then once you find out that they have that gene, you
can tap in.
Once they have the itch, you can start playing more deeper
strategy games.
BEN: Yeah.
BOYAN: Hopefully, we can talk about that here.
BEN: Yeah.
SAM: And lo, the geek shall inherit the earth.
[LAUGHTER]
BOYAN: OK.
Well, we have a few questions on the side.
But maybe, let's talk about some good introductory games
to get people from Table Top, you know, like, they've just
walked in, they're playing some nice high-strategy,
high-luck games.
They're well produced.
They're European-style board games.
But maybe they want to start getting more into tactics,
strategy, painting miniatures, more deeper worlds, like
heavy-themed worlds.
So how about Ben, you want to give a good example of a game
that you think is going to bring people over, like what's
a good crossover title?
BEN: Well, there's one that I see as a sort of really good
gateway game.
And it comes from Fantasy Flight.
And it's their Dust Tactics and Dust Warfare Range.
WARREN: Yeah.
BEN: It's [INAUDIBLE] world war, which is kind of things
like vampires and werewolves and things mixing with the
Nazi occultism and stuff like that.
And everyone's seen from the films, and books, and graphic
novels and stuff.
So it's a great way of getting people into
it through the themes.
BOYAN: But this the board game, right?
It's one box that you can buy?
Dust Tactics by Fantasy Flight.
BEN: Yeah.
BOYAN: And it has some scenarios in there for you.
But basically, everything you need to play is just in one
little box.
BEN: Pretty much, yeah.
So that gives you a nice new nuclear start to the game.
And you could expand it through buying extra bits and
pieces and stuff like that.
So yeah, it's a good entry-level game.
All the miniatures, you don't have to paint them.
But they come sort of like on this primed style.
WARREN: Yeah.
It's that they become almost kind of beginner painted, OK.
So you can then, you're just looking at adding some little
details and stuff.
The great thing about Dust Tactics is Dust Tactics has
now evolved into Dust Warfare.
So say went along and you bought that box.
And you played the board game, the Dust Tactics at home.
If you find yourself, you're get in the itch of this, you
can go out and there's a whole host of other Dust Tactics
models and things that you can buy.
And then you buy the rule book called Dust Warfare.
And then suddenly at that point, you're
breaking out of the board.
BEN: Yeah.
WARREN: You're now onto the table top, you know,
four-by-four--
BEN: Proper four-by-four boards, yeah.
WARREN: And you and your brothers, your sisters, or
your friends can then start to actually build up armies
themselves.
So you know, as a gateway, it's got a thumbs up
from me, that game.
And it's tactically sound.
But also, it nice and simple, that game.
The war game itself doesn't have complexity, but it does
have depth.
There's a lot to explore in it.
BEN: Yeah.
BOYAN: I think it's a great one.
It was definitely on my list of
recommendations so good call.
[LAUGHTER]
BEN: Yes.
WARREN: Yeah, thanks for that, Ben.
I don't know what I'm going to say now.
[LAUGHTER]
BOYAN: Sam, what do you think of a game like Memoir '44, you
know, where it's basically card-based tactics?
So you have a lot of the same strategy that you find in,
like, historical miniatures, but it's not
quite as rules intense.
How do you think about that one?
Have you played it?
WARREN: Sam, I think he's talking to you.
SAM: Oh, sorry.
You're talking to me then?
I haven't played that one also.
BOYAN: Oh, you haven't played the Memoir?
SAM: No.
Is it any good?
[LAUGHTER]
BOYAN: Oh, man.
Memoir '44 is awesome.
It's designed by Days of Wonder.
SAM: Oh, yeah.
BOYAN: And it's basically a World War II sim
and they have scenarios.
So this is one the things about miniature gaming, is
that you play scenarios.
And it's squadron level.
So you try to recreate a certain battle
in World War II.
And normally it's two player but you can play--
I've played it six player like overlord way where there's
like one general in the middle and two attendants on the
side, which is really cool.
WARREN: Yeah.
BOYAN: And, you know, you get all the same figs.
You get, like, tanks and stuff.
And you have to use tactics to move.
And it kind of builds a lot of the basic strategies of
miniature gaming, you know but without an alternate world.
It's set in actually World War II, right.
BEN: Yeah.
Well, there's another game like that by Fantasy Flight.
And it's Tide of Iron series.
SAM: Oh, yeah.
BEN: And it takes that kind of same theme as you said with
Memoir '44, but it magnifies it to a huge scale.
Like the box that it comes in is humongous.
It's like a proper coffin box style thing.
WARREN: Yeah.
BEN: I think the term is.
And that allows you to do the same thing in flight scenarios
that were historically accurate and stuff like that.
And it's essentially a miniatures game, just with a
board game packaging in a way, so yeah.
WARREN: Yeah, the other thing I've got to say about this,
you know, is for anybody watching this, you know, don't
get too hung up about the game.
A lot of the time it's just, if you like the look of
miniatures, 9 times out of 10, you'll get to enjoy the game.
When we say we have the miniatures gene, you know,
it's not an understatement to say that the miniatures do
drive it a lot of the time.
Another example I want to give, and this should appeal
to a load of you guys out there, is Star Wars X-Wing by
Fantasy Flight.
We're really going on Fantasy Flight tonight.
But Fantasy Flight have been doing exceptional games now
for about a year or two.
Well, probably longer to be fair.
But X-Wing is--
BOYAN: It kicks ass.
WARREN: X-Wing is a really tight game.
It's a really, really tight game.
But you get the prepainted miniatures.
And it's the "Star Wars" we like. so it's none of this
prequel episodes nonsense.
It's centered on what we love.
So you're getting X-Wings in there, the Millennium Falcon
is coming out.
SAM: Oh, yeah.
[INAUDIBLE].
WARREN: And you can play.
You can play, I'm about to let myself down in a massive geek
way here, [INAUDIBLE] about that.
But you can play.
There's extra cards in it.
I think the Millennium Falcon is T-1300 freighter.
[LAUGHTER]
WARREN: You can play multiple Millennium Falcon as bug
standard D-1300 freighters that don't have the engine
upgrade that allowed it to do the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs.
BOYAN: [INAUDIBLE].
BEN: You remember the important bit.
SAM: Yeah.
WARREN: That game is just stunningly good.
You don't need to be too concerned with painting.
We're about to start doing more and more coverage of it.
And we'll even be looking at, you know, a little painting,
weathering techniques we call it, that you could apply to
the miniatures to take them maybe to that next level.
But, you know, so many people watching this will be in love
with "Star Wars." Go and pick it up.
It's just astounding.
SAM: You can get from Waterstones over here in the
UK at the moment.
WARREN: Yeah.
It's generally available.
But to my point.
My point is, you know, if you're watching On the Table
and you see a game like Mercs, or Bushido, or any of these
other games that we cover and you like the miniatures, don't
be afraid to go and delve into it.
You know, because the thing about a war game is there's a
general structure to a war game.
So I'm going to try and give my secret away to whenever
we're trying to address a new war game.
There's only really four things you need to think
about, is what are the rules for movement?
So how do you move your guys around and how do they say
stay together or move apart?
Shooting.
How do you shoot at stuff?
How do you attack stuff in hand-to-hand combat?
And then, the fifth one is an optional one if there's any
kind of like magic or psychic powers and things like that.
So sometimes they come in--
BOYAN: What happened to, when do you drink beer?
WARREN: Oh, sorry.
Yes.
Yes, absolutely.
SAM: On the constant.
BEN: Yeah, that's mandatory at the end of every turn.
Yeah.
[LAUGHTER]
WARREN: At the end of every movement.
[LAUGHTER]
SAM: Yeah.
WARREN: If you approach a war game like that, it doesn't
matter how thick the rule book is.
You can say, well, look, OK.
First thing I'm going to do is have a look and see how I move
these things around.
You know, and just approach it.
And you could pick up pretty much any war game.
Yeah, there's some war games that are definitely more
complex than others.
But, you know, Beasts of War do full-length tutorials on
how to get into these games as do other sites out there.
It's about jumping in.
Don't wait for us to tell you it's safe to jump in.
Just go and do it.
You know, just go do it.
If you love the miniatures and you like the look of them, 9
times our of 10 you'll find that you'll enjoy the game.
And if you don't, here's the other secret.
You can change the rules.
BOYAN: Oh, yeah.
SAM: Yeah, it's not set in stone.
WARREN: You know, too many people, you know, the rules
are the rules.
But, you know, these are games.
It's not law.
It's a game.
So if you don't like how something works and you think
you can change it, feel free to do that.
You don't need anybody's permission to do that except
for the guy you're playing.
[LAUGHTER]
WARREN: You can't change--
SAM: That's true.
Yeah.
WARREN: The rules in the middle of a game.
SAM: Yeah, you can't change it so your guy's suddenly
Superman, or [INAUDIBLE].
Unless you're playing a PC game.
[LAUGHTER]
BOYAN: Yeah, it's cool.
So I think maybe part of the intimidation is the difference
between like skirmish-level stuff, like squad level stuff,
and like the big army.
So most of the gateway games that we're talking about are
definitely like small skirmish-level things.
Like, "Star Wars" technically is a skirmish game, right?
WARREN: Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
BEN: Essentially, yeah.
Yeah.
BOYAN: To build your army.
And so it's like, OK.
Cool, I have three TIE Fighters.
One of my TIE Fighters has like, Darth Whoever.
WARREN: Yeah.
BOYAN: And he's a bad ass.
So he's worth five more points.
But you're playing.
You've got Luke.
And Luke is worth however many points and R2's worth however
many points.
So those guys together on their ship or whatever is
worth more, right.
WARREN: Yeah.
BOYAN: I mean, that's basically
how you build a army.
And I think that's probably a good way to start, right?
Yeah, play one of these awesome--
SAM: Yeah, by increments.
BOYAN: Yeah.
Play in increments.
Play a skirmish-level game.
Like, Mercs I like because I like that cyberpunk--
I actually thought it more modern than cyberpunk.
But I guess the world is a bit more--
WARREN: It's a bit more corporate.
Yeah.
SAM: Yeah.
WARREN: So there's a very interesting vibe and dynamic
going on in Mercs.
It's a game that's definitely caught our eye.
And it's one that's well-worth watching.
Because it has a freshness to it, which I'm keen to see how
that freshness pans out.

SAM: I've played a couple of games in Mercs.
And the mechanics are really crisp and clean and really
easy to get a hold of.
You open the box and you've got everything you need
to get a game on.
If I remember correctly from unboxing some of the starter
sets, there are a few bits of cards, terrain that you can
just place.
Because, You know, when you start out in gaming you don't
have the great table tops that you see in places like games
workshop and the like.
You just have maybe a kitchen table.
So just giving out little pieces like that, it's great.
You get the Mercs box, you're set.
WARREN: Yeah.
SAM: So that's one to start with.
WARREN: A typical army is like five guys.
We're getting a strange err.
I've turned into a cyber man.
But you get you get five guys in the box.
You know, it's that easy to migrate your way into.
Again, it's quite a thick rule book.
But the rules are not that complex.
Can I get to another point about the hobby, and that
maybe puts people off?
And that's, they don't know how to paint.
You know, to enjoy that hobby, I need to be able to paint and
I need to be able to build gaming tables
and things like that.
Don't be afraid of that.
That stuff comes as well.
There are a lot of really, really good tutorials out
there on painting.
Painting is a very simple thing.
And don't need your miniatures to look like the miniatures in
the books and the catalogs.
They're that way because people spend 100 hours on one
miniature to make it look that way.
You know, just paint your miniatures so that they're
colorful, they have a theme going through them.
That whenever you look down at the table, you're proud to
have them there.
And if painting really isn't your thing, well then, look at
the likes of X-Wing or Dust Tactics where the miniatures
already come pre-painted or part painted so you don't have
to worry about it.
BOYAN: Yeah.
And actually, at conventions here in the US, it's a popular
event where it's called paint and take, where you go to
events and you have an expert person there
tell you how to paint.
You get a fig.
You pick whichever one you like.
And they basically walk you through.
And at the end of it, you take it home.
I mean, it's awesome, right.
So especially--
BEN: That's a fantastic idea, yeah.
SAM: That's great.
WARREN: Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
SAM: Yeah.
BOYAN: So, I mean, do that.
Like, if you want to go to a club, someone else help you go
through the basics.
And you know, like Warren's saying, it doesn't have to be
awesome, right.
Just get into like the level that you think is good for you
and then spend more time.
You know, get into it.
And then obviously, you know, at the beginning you're not
using, like, the most amazing paints and like the best
brushes ever.
So you have a deficit because of the technique.
But also because you're not using, like, the premium pro
stuff that all these guys are in the books, you know.
So don't worry about it.
BEN: Yeah.
I mean, as I said, I started off in war gaming as the main
focus of becoming a gamer as it were.
And at that point, my painting skills were nothing on, you
know, anything out there.
But you still have fun playing the game even if you've got
like, you know, one coat of paint on a model.
I mean, as long as there's something that ties together
and you think it looks cool, there's nothing else stopping
you from doing it.
So go out there and, you know, game.
WARREN: Yeah, look, I've got an admission, guys.
I am the world's biggest fan of dry brushing.
OK.
BEN: I love dry brushing.
Dry brushing's great.
[LAUGHTER]
WARREN: Dry brushing is the only way I can get
an army on the table.
And I dry brush metallics.
So almost every armory I ever do is metallic in some way
because it's easy to spray the thing black and then dry brush
on some metallic color, copper happens
be my personal favorite.
And then I just pick out some details.
On then you get these things called washes.
And the wash does all the work.
BEN: Pretty much, yeah.
WARREN: And I do that because I don't have time,
unfortunately.
I would love to have more time to sit down and just delve
deeper and deeper into a particular army.
But you know, I have to work.
I have a family.
I have a two-year-old toddler at home.
I don't get a lot of time for all this painting and stuff.
So I settle.
As long as the army, you know, you'll be surprised what you
will believe looks cool, especially when
you've done it yourself.
BEN: Exactly, yeah.
WARREN: When you've done it yourself.
SAM: Forgive us [INAUDIBLE].
[LAUGHTER]
WARREN: Yes.
Your other option is if you're a banker, you can always send
your miniatures out to a painting studio and
have them do it.
There's a painting studio over here called Golem, that I just
love their work.
I absolutely love their work.
And you know, you can just package it up,
send it over to then.
And they'll send it back all beautifully painted.
Would you want to play with it after that?
I'm not sure.
[LAUGHTER]
WARREN: You'd probably just want it sitting on your
display cabinet.
BEN: Bubble wrap around everything because [INAUDIBLE]
after that point, I think, yeah.
And then that's an extra rule later on, that they've got
bubble wrap shielding so, it's fine.
WARREN: Yes.
BEN: Yeah.
SAM: Distract the enemy.
BOYAN: Cool.
Well, I think we're probably halfway through.
So maybe we can start fielding some questions.
WARREN: Absolutely.
BOYAN: Actually, hold on.
Let me talk about, there is a game that might be another
good segue and that's Blood Bowl.
I don't know if you guys--
WARREN: Ah, yes.
SAM: Yeah.
BEN: Yeah, Blood Bowl.
BOYAN: And Blood Bowl is cool because you basically get to
live in the world, right.
And so like the last one I played were my Skaven team.
And so they're basically like these little rat men.
And they're horrible guys, right.
I mean, most of the time they get murdered.
But, so Blood Bowl's cool.
Basically it's a kind of football-like game.
It kind of introduces you to painting miniatures,
squad-level stuff, and you can play it in a campaign mode,
which is really cool.
So it's great for offices.
And that's one of things about miniatures is, you know, if
you have a big army, where do you put them?
Well, bring it to work, you know.
And we did this.
We ran a Blood Bowl Tournament.
And we'd play at lunch.
And it was amazing.
And we had this, like, stadium built, you know, like an
actual foam stadium.
BEN: That's fantastic, yeah.
SAM: Sweet.
BOYAN: And it was cool, man.
And it was a full ordeal.
And then we just leave the board, you know.
WARREN: And it's a relatively quick to play as well though.
You're not going to be there for hours and hours
playing that game.
It would be also remiss of me not to mention a game called
Dread Bowl, which is kind of like a
futuristic sci-fi kind of--
BEN: Sports game.
WARREN: Yeah, it's sports games.
So along the lines of Blood Bowl.
It's produced by a company called Mantic Games.
And it's growing pretty fast as well.
But sports could be a great entry in.
Then the final one, this game isn't out yet.
But I have a hunch that we might see it this year.
It's probably more of a hope than a hunch.
[INAUDIBLE]
WARREN: One of my favorite games of all time
is Warhammer Quest.
And it was kind of dungeon-delving with
miniatures.
And it was made by Games Workshop.
And it's based on their fantasy line, not their
science-fiction line.

We have heard inklings this year that Games Workshop are
going to put out another boxed game of some sort.
We're not so sure that it's going to be a
refresh of Blood Bowl.
We don't really think that that's where'd they go.
But there's a couple of things that might point in the
direction that it could be Warhammer Quest.
So it, to me, would be one of the perfect gateway entries
into fantasy war gaming because you could start small
and dungeon and adventure through.
BOYAN: Yeah.
WARREN: But you're getting exposure to the likes of Orks
and things like out there.
And then you might decide, you know what?
I'm going to build a small army.
And then me and my friend can start to battle that way.
So it'll be interesting to see if that comes out.
I could be completely wrong, but who knows?
BOYAN: Yeah.
SAM: We can only hope.
BOYAN: But don't be shy, guys.
Like, seriously, play these games out there.
BEN: Yeah, definitely.
BOYAN: Play them on the weekend.
Invite your friends over.
And just be like, yeah.
This is my army.
This is what I do.
Like, I play, whatever.
You don't have to be ashamed of it.
And you'll be surprised how many people will actually come
out and embrace it.
And be like, yeah, I'll give it a try.
And you'll find, like, maybe they love the world, or maybe
they love the tactics, or maybe they love building the
armies, or maybe it's just the painting, you know, like they
really love that aspect.
And everyone can be part of this world.
Like, I feel like we are more related to each other than
we're different, right.
Like, each type of gamer, we're more
similar than we are different.
So we should not, like slicing, say like, oh, I am
only a war gamer.
I'm only a euro board gamer.
I only play [INAUDIBLE].
Like, naw.
That's bullshit.
I mean, we're way more similar than we are apart, right.
WARREN: Yeah.
It's like would you want to spend every day eating pizza,
or would like to try pasta, and Irish stew,
and stuff like that?
It's like, have a varied diet.
And you'd be surprised, you know, who are out there, among
the celebs and people of power who are into this.
You know, Peter Jackson from "The Hobbit" and "Lord of the
Rings," is a huge fan of miniatures.
He got personal lessons from the Perry Twins, two very
famous sculptors on how to sculpt miniatures as well.
And he's just a huge fan of that.
You have, obviously, Robin Williams,
Vin Diesel is a gamer.
I hear even Angelina Jolie is a gamer.
So you'd be surprised, you know.
And if I'm wrong, who cares?

Gaming is now really coming towards the mainstream.
You're allowed to enjoy this because it's some of the
coolest stuff in the world.
This is not like what gaming was 20, 30 years ago where it
was all, I don't want to use the phrase stuffy
"Napoleonics" because I'm actually quite enjoying some
of the Napoleonic stuff I'm looking into at the moment.
But there wasn't a lot of variety.
And quality, I don't think they knew the word.
Sometimes a miniature didn't even look like a miniature.
It was like a blob.
This stuff today is absolutely stunning.
BEN: Yeah.
It's phenomenal.
WARREN: You look at the Kickstarter
from Kingdom Death.
BEN: Oh, brilliant.
WARREN: They just broke through it.
They broke through two million dollars on Kickstarter for
their board game called Monster.
SAM: They made it to the two million mark?
WARREN: They made it to the two million mark.
But a million of that was like in two days.

Here's where we mentioned Kickstarter because
Kickstarter's one of the driving forces behind a lot of
the innovation that we're seeing now in the industry.
You know, it's allowing some talented individuals and
talented little companies to be well-funded.
Yeah, they're at risk because, you know,
they have to deliver.
But it didn't exist three years ago.
BOYAN: I think it allows worlds that maybe are edgier
that you could--
WARREN: Yeah.
BOYAN: You could do, you know.
Like, I think Malifaux wasn't kick started.
But Malifaux's one of those worlds, you know, it's like
this weird steam pond corp stuff.
I'm not really sure what's going on.
SAM: Yeah.
[LAUGHTER]
BOYAN: It's cool.
SAM: Awesome.
BEN: That's skirmish-level as well.
So it's an easy way to get into it because obviously it's
a low model count.
They're cool little miniatures that you can spend a little
bit of extra time trying to paint.
It's got a cool mechanic with the cards and stuff like that.
And the background's amazing for that world.
It's great.
WARREN: Yeah, for the skirmish-level games, if I had
to list a few off the top my head, obviously you have
Mercs, Malifaux is another great one.
And it's a totally different style from Mercs, again.
So if you have a look at these, something
will appeal to you.
Another great one is Infinity.
BOYAN: Yeah.
SAM: Oh, yeah.
WARREN: Infinity is just stunning.
The miniatures are going to be a little bit more difficult
for you to work with.
But you know what?
If you fancy a little bit more of a challenge, and it's only
a little bit more of a challenge,
it will be so rewarding.
Because it's such a stunning, stunning game.
Some other skirmish ones is obviously Warmachine and
Hoardes work perfectly well at the skirmish-level, in many
respects work better at the skirmish-level.
They even have a two player starter box that you can pick
up that has two Warmachine machine armies in it.
You and a buddy go halfers on it.
And everything you need is in that box to get playing.
And you don't need massive gaming space to
be able to do it.
You know, four feet by four feet, you know, a kitchen
table is more than enough space.
BOYAN: Yeah, and only two players.
I mean, it's really easy to hit critical mass.
BEN: Exactly, yeah.
BOYAN: Friends show up and now you have a gaming group.
And you're playing and collecting.
And you're playing different factions, and you're
specializing, and you're painting your own guys, and
customizing the figs.
And that's when it gets awesome, right.
That's when--
WARREN: Yes.
BOYAN: You're like, I'm in this world.
Like, these are my characters.
WARREN: Yeah.
SAM: Yeah.
WARREN: If you don't have clubs and things nearby, you
don't need a club to play.
These games are designed for you to play at home over some
beers and pretzels--
beers and crisps.
That's what they're for, for you and the family to enjoy or
you and your friends to enjoy.
And there's games, I've seen some questions coming in here.
But you can get games to go up to 4, 5,
6, 7 people, 8 people.
BEN: Yeah, definitely.
Yeah.
SAM: I would say two skirmish games that are really good at
getting you into the world as it were would be Carnevale.
WARREN: Oh, yes.
SAM: And Fire of the Dead, two of my favorite skirmish games
this year because they're really narrative focused.
WARREN: Carnivale won an Origins Award for its rules.
And Carnevale just comes to life because the miniatures in
Carnevale, you can run up walls, and jump from
balcony-to-balcony, and jump over canals.
It's all set in Venice.
SAM: Or get pushed into the canal by [INAUDIBLE].
WARREN: Yeah.
Yeah, and get pushed into the canal.
They can jump from now into a gondola.
And then jump from the gondola out of the canal.
it just comes to life.
It's an amazing game from that perspective.
BEN: It's like Assassin's Creed II meets Cthulu, if
that's a good way of saying it.
Yeah.
BOYAN: How is that not a willing formula?
Come on.
That's awesome.
BEN: That's an amazing formula, yes.
BOYAN: It really is.
BEN: Winning formula.
BOYAN: Jeeze.
OK.
All right.
Let's try to tackle some questions here.
Are you guys actually going to come out state-side?
How about that?
Ever think of coming to one of the conventions out here?
WARREN: Yes.
Well, we will see.
It's all time and budget, you know, as for everything else.
We've just moved.
We have a lot going on here now with the new studio.
But we would love to come out and see if we could
hook up at Gen Con.
Because I think you would probably--
BEN: Who doesn't want to go to Gen Con?
Yeah.
WARREN: Yeah.
Gen Con would be--
SAM: Pick me.
WARREN: High on the list.
So yes, absolutely.
It's definitely something that's we're talking about and
is on the cards is to come out there.
And who knows Bo, we could maybe get a game with you and
Will, and--
BOYAN: Hell, yeah, man.
WARREN: As well.
BOYAN: I would love it.
Anytime you're state-side let me know.
And you're definitely welcome to my gaming
table, all you guys.
And if I'm ever in the UK again, I'll
hit you guys up again.
WARREN: Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
So in short, yes.
Yes, we'd like that.
I'm just not sure when we're going to do that.
BOYAN: OK.

Let's see.
You guys want to take some of these a
more technical questions?
WARREN: Yeah.
I see a question in from Scott King saying, what changes that
you guys are going to do a behind the
scenes bonus episode?
The hosting games are great, but the production quality is
shockingly good.
I'd love to see how you guys actually work.
Oh, so you want to see all the fighting and arguing?
[LAUGHTER]
BOYAN: I don't think that people really want to see
pre-production and what it looks like behind the scenes.
They want the shiny thing up front.
WARREN: Yeah.
Believe me.
Behind the scenes is like a great episode of "American
Chopper." You know, there's a lot of throwing chairs and all
sorts of things around.
It may look elegant, but the feet are kicking under on the
water like crazy.
Who knows?
You know, we do some behind the scenes stuff over at
beastsofwar.com, we do a lot of the
behind the scenes stuff.
At the moment, you know, we're just immensely busy with
trying to get the new studios and everything up.
We may well film a bit of that.
But yes, keep an eye out.
It's probably not going to be an actual episode that airs on
Geek and Sundry.
But if you head on over to beastsofwar.com, you know, we
do stuff like that from time-to-time where we show
some of the behind scenes stuff.
BOYAN: That's cool.
How about this?
Got a couple questions about the dice themselves.
A common thing in war gaming is just standard D-six, like a
little small ones.
WARREN: Yeah.
BOYAN: Like a whole fistful of them.
Some of the new games are car driven mechanics or they have
custom dice like Fantasy Flight's vary.
That's their thing, right.
That they love custom dice and whatever.
SAM: Yeah.
Yeah.
BOYAN: You guys have any rituals or things that you go
along with the dice?
Like, do you have custom sets just for an army?
Do you have, basically different colors?
SAM: Yeah.
Yeah.
SAM: Tell them about the laser, Warren.
WARREN: Yeah.
When I play games with Infinity,
Infinity's based on D-10s.
BOYAN: Yes.
WARREN: And I have a soft spot for games based on D-10s.
I think D-10 is a very--
SAM: Infinity's D-20's, I think.
WARREN: Oh, sorry.
D-20s.
BOYAN: Whatever.
WARREN: Yeah.
Whatever, Sam.
[LAUGHTER]
WARREN: Want I have, is I have these clear dice, they're kind
like clear D-20's that the guys from Corvis Belli, the
makers, actually gave me.
BOYAN: Wow.
WARREN: And they gave me a laser sight because it's all
line of sight.
So you get down with the laser sight to try and see if you
can hit a guy.
BOYAN: Hell, yeah, dude.
WARREN: So what I do is I--
SAM: Interactive.
[LAUGHTER]
WARREN: I laser charge my dice before throwing them.
So I think as far as any of the Infinity videos, they'll
see me charging my dice with my lasers.
[LAUGHTER]
WARREN: So I charge the lasers.
It kind of puts my opponent off because he
thinks I'm a nutter.
But I love doing it so.
BEN: Yeah.
WARREN: So my original is charging dice
with laser beams so.
BOYAN: Nice.
BEN: I've been told that I am illustriously
lucky with my dice.
I don't think I'm am, but other people do.
WARREN: Yeah.
BEN: So I have my special set of dice that's got like
skulls as the 6s.
And I shake my hand and I blow on them.
I'm like, yes.
This is the way to go.
And then when they all come up skulls I can
go ah, ha, ha, ha.
BOYAN: Yeah.
BEN: That's fantastic.
WARREN: The only thing I find myself doing in games with D-6
is I find myself getting the dice and I'm
rolling them in my hands--
BEN: Yeah.
Go like that.
WARREN: For some reason.
Yeah, and then--
BEN: And then roll them.
WARREN: I'm doing.
I don't know why I do it, but it's this rolling
sensation that I do.
BEN: I do have dice for different games as well.
Like, I have the skull dice for this game called Uncharted
Seas, which is like a fantasy naval game by Spartan Games.
BOYAN: By Spartan, sorry.
Yeah.
BEN: Spartan Games, yeah.
And then I have sort of like more futuristic dice for 40K,
and more sort of like mystical dice for
when I'm doing fantasy.
I mean in D&D I have these devices with like dragons
wrapped around the numbers.
And every time I use them, my friends are really annoyed
because they can't read what the values are on the dice.
[LAUGHTER]
BOYAN: It's all across.
What?
You can't--
[LAUGHTER]
BEN: Exactly.
SAM: I've got this single skull dice.
That's like my lucky dice, which I use it when playing
Warhammer 40K, or whatever.
But it's not actually that lucky.
[LAUGHTER]
WARREN: It's your dice of last resort, is it?
SAM: I was at a 40K doubles tournament.
And I kept going, I'm going to use the lucky dice.
It will bring us victory.
And my partner, whatever, was just, no!
I am taking that dice away from you!
[LAUGHTER]
BOYAN: Oh, that's bad.
WARREN: I see a question here from Tara Newman.
She will happily apply to show up for an
episode of On the Table.
Where are these applications?
Well, Tara, I was going to give you my personal email
address but it's going to look like I'm fishing for dates.
BOYAN: Right, right.
Just text me here and I'll--
SAM: You have to go through a rigorous interview panel.
WARREN: Just email, what would you email?
Email community@beastofwar.com.
We put that address up in the last episode.
Somebody will pick it up.
And you know what?
If you're in the London area or something,
definitely we'll talk.
You know, because I'm not joking about we're on the hunt
for more presenters and stuff like that
to talk about gaming.
Because it's just such a wide thing to talk about.
We would love to find other people who want
to talk about it.
BOYAN: Yeah.
Hey, I found a question here from Ophelius.
It's pretty good.
She asks, besides painting miniatures yourself, like, how
can you lower the cost of the buy-in to get
into miniatures games?
Because a lot of these, especially on the big
army-level stuff, it can be a bit pricey, especially when
you have the lead, you know, when you're
playing with metal.
What do you guys think about bringing the cost
down for new fans?
WARREN: Firstly--
BEN: Sorry, go on.
Go ahead.
WARREN: Sorry, Ben.
I'm talking over.
Well, firstly, I'm going to be really controversial here and
say probably avoid Games Workshop unless you're willing
to buy their stuff on eBay.
Games Workshop will love me for saying that.
But Games Workshop put their prices up religiously every
single year.
So they can hardly expect me to say anything different.
If cost is an issue, have a look at some of the other
games that are producing plastics.
eBay is definitely your friend because you can pick up some
great deals there.
But if you look at companies like Mantic, they do some cool
sci-fi and fantasy stuff.
A lot of the other producers, their prices are more
reasonable.
Games Workshop, their stuff is the biggest
games in the world.
They can afford to charge a premium on that.

I would shop around.
I would definitely shop around.

BEN: Yeah.

If you look to your local gaming stores, you can find a
lot more stuff from other ranges, as Warren said, that
can be used within the mainstream games.
And yet, you know, it's slightly cheaper.
So Mantic's a good way of doing it, especially because
they cover such a wide range of fantasy stuff.
WARREN: Yeah.
BEN: Although there are loads and loads of companies of the
internet that sort of sell sort of cheaper troop options
and stuff like that for fancy games, like, there's one
called Avatars of War.
And they've been doing some really cool
sort of chaotic knights.
WARREN: Beautiful plastics.
BEN: Twisted stuff and really cool dwarfs.
And I love my dwarfs.
And they do really fantastic sets that are really
customizable.
And they're cheaper than some of stuff you'll find in the
mainstream games as well so.
WARREN: Now the other obvious thing that I could have said
that I didn't say, I'll explain why I didn't say it,
is opt for a game that's a very skirmish-level.
And that way, you don't need varied miniatures for doing
it, for playing it.
However, if you have the same gene I have, that'll
not last very long.
You'll want to collect, and collect, and
collect, and collect.
So it's very easy for me to say, go for a game with a low
amount of miniatures.
But if you do get the bug, you will want to start scaling up.
BOYAN: Yeah.
And get creative with the terrain.
Like, soda bottles, oil cans, all kinds of stuff, just
generic foam stuff you find.
People throw way things that can be, when we look at it
like a really close micro-level it looks really
interesting.
And when you cut it up and put it as terrain,
it's cool, you know.
BEN: Yeah.
BOYAN: And that's a really easy way of getting around the
terrain stuff, is just kind of recycling and having an eye.
WARREN: Food cans make great pieces of terrain because they
look like oil refinery-type things.
I've done some obscene stuff.
Like, I've bought little helium things for my daughter,
you know, the canister to fill balloons for her.
That canister makes the most awesome oil refinery thing as
well, you know.
So I just collect trash, guys.
Because you just never know.
I had a guy out fixing the plumbing and he was getting
rid of the little, what do you call them?
Valves.
And he packed them up to throw them in the bin.
And I said, no, man.
Can I keep them, please?
You know, because those valves again is, like, that's
pipelines and stuff that you could lay
out on a gaming table.
SAM: In the office before you threw everything away, you
pretty much had to pass it by Warren or [INAUDIBLE].
[LAUGHTER]
SAM: The answer every time was, stick it
in the bottle drawer.
WARREN: Yeah.
We'll keep that.
We may never use it, but we'll keep it.

BEN: You can also look at areas that you wouldn't
necessarily look at.
Like, we had a time where we were just
walking through a bookstore.
And we saw, like, this puzzle piece, Harry Potter set that
they've come out for kids to play with.
And we just put that together and that created perfect
terrain for skirmish-level gaming.
We used it for More Time in the end, which is a Games
Workshop specialist game.
And just this stuff was about five pounds and you got like
this massive pack of this stuff that you could just put
together easily
WARREN: Was it kind of like a 3-D jigsaw, Ben?
BEN: Yeah.
It was like a 3-D jigsaw kind of thing.
And it suddenly becomes table top train.
BOYAN: Yeah.
I was going to ask you guys what you thought about the
paper terrain.
I've seen some producers, they actually will have terrain
like puzzle pieces.
And you put it together, like, on the outside.
Not really to have your minis fighting from there, but like,
just as terrain in the background.
What do you guys think about that?
Because that's really a lot cheaper than buying, like,
these [INAUDIBLE]
and things, at all the crazy metal stuff?
WARREN: I'm a massive fan.
However, whether it's cheaper or not, mm.
You know, because there are some great plastic kits out
there that actually, whenever you take into getting a decent
printer to print the thing, you know, the card, you'll
want a decent card stock, especially if you want to
stick it to something like foam core.
Foam core can add up in price pretty quickly.
However, where it does save you is you don't have to paint
it because it gives you a beautiful looking building
that if you use a few weathering techniques, we
spray kind of like an oil spread at them just to blend
it all in together and tighten it up, you end up with a
beautiful, beautiful terrain board.
There's a particular producer out there called Dave Graffam.
And we've used a lot of Dave Graffam's stuff.
And Dave's stuff it's just stunning.
He's really, really good at it.
But so, big thumbs up for paper terrain.
But be wary.
Don't go into it necessarily thinking you're going to save
a ton of money on it.
Because it really depends on the end quality you want to
get from that.
BOYAN: I mean, what about if you guys all get together as a
gaming group or a club to purchase stuff.
And like, you know, if you're going to play it at one
person's house, then leave all the terrain and things there.
WARREN: Yeah.
SAM: Yeah.
BEN: Yeah.
BOYAN: You know, that's a easy way.
And also, if you are hanging out with people who are much
more experienced, they might have molds.
They might have, like, precast molds that you can just be
like, great, let me make a quick little thing off of your
whatever, wall terrain for, like, a
fantasy setting or whatever.
WARREN: Oh, yeah.
If you're into that, you guys have got to
check out Hurst Arts.
Bruce Hurst has been at for years.
And he makes these beautiful rubber molds.
And you get dental plaster, like hydrocol or something
like that, and you mix it up and you just make bricks.
It's LEGO for adults, guys, and it is stunningly good.
So you get, it's some woman's tacky glue.
It's an American product, as well.
And you just glue these little bricks together.
And you can make castle's, dungeons, sci-fi, graveyard.
It is fantastic.
I've had the best time with Hurst Arts stuff.
If you fancy making your own terrain, I would
highly advise that.
because you could just continue
churning this stuff out.
And you make more, and more, and more of it.
Is it time-consuming?
Yes.
But all good hobbies are.
BOYAN: Yeah.
And the other thing is you can reuse it for
role playing games.
Like, I see this all the time where people use the same
custom figs and whatever, and the terrains, and it takes
your gaming experience to a whole nother level when you
have a character that is, like, customized to look just
like what you see them to look like, painted the way you want
with all the equipment that they have and
playing on a terrain.
I mean, it's so cool.
Like, I don't know how to explain it if you
haven't been there.
But it really takes role playing to another level when
you have these figs there.
SAM: Warren, you've got an entire dungeon
set, haven't you?
WARREN: Yes.
Mm-hmm.
I have, well, two sets actually, two complete sets of
dungeon tiles that were based on the game
Descent by Fantasy Flight.
We've mentioned them again.
We're waiting for a check now, guys, you know.
BOYAN: I'll call Christian up after this.
WARREN: Yeah.
It's based on Descent.
And I have two complete sets of it.
And it's just stunning.
But that was done using the Hurst Arts stuff.

It's just so different whenever you can lay something
like that out on the kitchen table.
And get your family together, your friends together, and you
just have an adventure on it.
I use it for playing Descent or even
playing Warhammer Quest.
Or do you know what?
Sometimes we just play an adventure where we make it up
as we go along.
And we have some tongue and cheek moment, a bit of
innuendo in there because we all love a
willy joke over here.
So just make it up.
It's an opportunity to play.
And I think, you know, maybe that's what it is.
Maybe we never really grew up.
Maybe we have something inside us that, we miss
our toys, you know.
We miss our "Star Wars." We just love to be able to get a
couple hours every now and again to play.

BOYAN: That's good.
We still have a few more minutes.
I have a question here.
Hey, Chris Thompson asks Sam, what's your 40K army?
What do you play and why?
SAM: Well, I started out in 40K in primary school with an
Eldar army.
I recently got back to 40K and pretty much had to relearn it
all from scrap.
But I bought all of Justin's old Marine army that we used
to call the debt all Marines because it looked like he
painted it on with a roller.
WARREN: If you're wondering who Justin is, Justin is the
guy that gets killed in every episode of On the Table.

When Justin learned to paint, Justin used like a brush you
would paint your wall with.
[LAUGHTER]
SAM: Well, I bought his entire space Marine army.
And I'm actually in the process of converting them.
I got a bunch of shoulder pads off Forage World.
And I'm making them into a death watch themed army, which
they're like alien hunters from the war and 40K
background.
I just got that because I don't want a normal chapter.
I want something that's fun.
BEN: Do something different, yeah.
SAM: Yeah.
WARREN: Customization, go in and just doing what is it that
makes you feel happy, guys.

I've a question here from Blade GTR.
What is your favorite set that you have painted?
And if you don't mind, I'll answer that.
I painted a tank recently.
Well, not recently, a while ago.
It's called the Lehman Ross.
And it's from the Warhammer 40K world again.
And I painted it and I used it to try and learn some
weathering techniques.
And I haven't had a lot of time to paint since so I'm
still immensely proud of that tank.
Because I've got this most awesome oily kind of affect
where it looked like a ram type thing and the metal bit
of the inside of the ram had this real oily
kind of look to it.
And I was so, so proud of it.
I achieved the affect by mixing a little bit of wash,
it was a brown wash at the time.
A wash is kind of like a very thinned down paint.
But I mixed it with a product, it's kind of like a varnish
for floors, which gave it that kind of oily,
glossy kind of a look.
So it looks wet even though it's dry.
But it's not very glossy.
It's like a gloss paint.
It has a more kind of oily look to it.
So that was about as helpful as can be there.
But it's cool.
I like it.
BOYAN: How about [INAUDIBLE]?
WARREN: Have you painted anything, Bo?
Is painting your thing?
BOYAN: That's the part where my forbidden talent that I
talked about earlier comes in.
Like, I haven't actually painted armies.
My technique is super rudimentary.
Like, not good at all.
So especially since I hang out with people who are like pros,
it's really quite embarrassing to [INAUDIBLE].
SAM: I feel your pain, man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
BOYAN: So that hasn't been my thing.
But I have a lot of friends who are really into it.
And they have like the painting desks.
And all paints are set up.
I mean, it's part of their, like, ritual.
Like it's how they decompress.
They go to this world.
It's quiet.
It's kind of like reading.
And it's like this ritual process and you go there you.
And you go through your armies and you paint.
And even if you're not playing, they're still like a
really good, I don't know.
There's a good mental quality, a spiritual quality to, like,
being able to go to that place and not be all stressed out
about what's going on in your work day.
SAM: Yeah.
WARREN: If we could fit one more question
in before we finish.
This is a question that's kind of close to my own heart.
And that's from Momma Dobble.
And it's, can you recommend games for husband, wife that
are co-op, and for seven-year-old boys as well?
Now, it's difficult.
To co-op, it's difficult.
That's like people asking for a single player war game.
You can download rules for single player war games, but
it's not just so easy.
But if you want to co-op, I would recommend something like
a game of Descent, or possibly even Munchin Quests as a game.
A seven-year-old boy is going to love Descent because it's
got dragons and stuff like that in it.
And he will be able to get up to the basics of the rules.
And as a mom and dad playing there, you'll be able to
simplify it a bit and give him some leeway here and there.
But it's close to my own heart because I have a
toddler now as well.
And I'm trying to gradually introduce my toddler already
into tabletop gaming.
So we were playing Rapido over Christmas because she loves
playing with Play dough.
So I got myself and the Mrs. the game where we can play
with dough and she can play with dough and get the hang of
playing at the table with us.
It's an interesting one.
I'd love to see a lot more games out there that were
maybe geared more towards families getting together.
But too, off the top of my head, Descent because the
miniatures are so cool and it has dungeon tiles and it is
kind of cooperative.
But if you want something that's maybe even a little bit
more simple, a little bit more, I don't know, maybe a
little bit more basic, something like Munchkin Quest,
which is Munchin, but as a board game.
So you have seen Will playing Munchin.
So if you enjoyed that episode, Munchin Quest is like
that, but as a board game.
BOYAN: Ben, Sam, do you guys have any tips for finding
things that might be more family appropriate?
Obviously like, Malafo and something like that's not
appropriate.
But, you know, it's like harder.
BEN: There's a really good game by Plaid
Hat or Plaid Hat.
And it's Mice and Mystics.
BOYAN: Yeah.
BEN: And it's a game for little tiny mice.
Well, there are people that have been turned into mice.
And they've got to go and trying and save
the king and stuff.
And the game is done like a story book.
So you read through every chapter and you play through a
cool little scenario.
And then you move on and stuff.
And so it's something that you could perceivably sit down
with your sons or daughters or whoever, and play that.
And say, next week we're going to do chapter two and stuff.
And so it'll be a nice progressive system
[INAUDIBLE].
WARREN: Like story time before bed, isn't it?
BEN: Exactly.
Exactly.
But war game time or table top time before bed.
BOYAN: Those same figs can be used for Mouse
Guard, which is--
BEN: Yes, exactly.
BOYAN: Really fun role playing game.
The system's fairly simple.
So children probably as young as seven or eight can play.
And so if you want to get them going with Mice and Mystics
and then go into Mouse Guard, I think that's--
BEN: Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, it's a great segue.
BOYAN: Sam, what do you think?
Any out there that might be good for families or kids?
SAM: Yeah, I actually use board games and stuff to keep
my cousins quiet when I'm babysitting.
Munchin is the main one because everyone loves a game
where you can back stab your relatives.
The main one I've got at the moment the Discworld board
game, Discworld and [INAUDIBLE]
because I am a massive Discworld fan.
And it is actually a really, really good game.
I would definitely recommend that to anyone, even those who
aren't Discworld fans.
And at the moment, I'm trying to get all my younger cousins
into Magic the Gathering actually.
We'll see what the next step will be.
WARREN: Their parents will love you for that.
[LAUGHTER]
WARREN: Yeah.
Just get them involved in car crack.
Yeah, that's a good idea.
BOYAN: I don't know if you guys have it over there, but
LEGO has a set of board games, Heroica, which is really cool.
They're basically co-op.
And you have the little mini.
You can essentially create terrain with
LEGO, which is awesome.
It gets people building, and crafting, and like, living in
a world which is nice.
The rules are very light.
And they come with dice.
So if you want to like upgrade them to something, like
transitioning them into a war game, that's cool.
And another one is called Super Dungeon Explore.
SAM: Yeah.
Yeah.
BOYAN: Yeah, it's really cool, really cute anime style
miniature game.
SAM: I really want to play that game.
BOYAN: Yeah, it's fun and it's co-op.
But it requires paintings so that's a nice
transition into doing it.
So if you want to paint with the kids, that's an activity.
That's cool.
And you play, like, characters, you know, like you
have dwarfs, and like a thief, and whatever.
And it's kind of like a little Dungeon Delve.
And that might be a good one.
Because the rules are pretty simple.
And I think seven, eight-year-olds could
probably get it.
BEN: Yeah, definitely.
BOYAN: Yeah.
Cool.
Oh, hey.
We're over the time.
WARREN: We are.
BOYAN: Wow.
All right.
Well, I want to say thanks, guys.
This was a lot of fun.
So the moral of the story is, don't be shy.
Go play more war games.
WARREN: Absolutely.
BOYAN: That'll get you into it.
SAM: No, the moral of the story is, if you want to get
into board games, go to Fantasy Fight.
[LAUGHTER]
BOYAN: It's true.
[INAUDIBLE] job and I have a good working relationship with
the guy, the Warhammer, right.
So that's one of the reasons why they get to do Death
Watch, and the Blood Bowl card game, and all this other stuff
is because, you know, they have good relationships.
In the states, yeah, it's probably going
to be Fantasy Flight.
But you know, they do an amazing job.
I mean, their games look sick.
Like, the detail is amazing.
And it's fun to play.
So yeah, try it out.
All right.
Sorry we didn't get to all the questions out there.
But look for us next time.
Remember, Table Top's back every Thursday and On the
Table also every other Thursday.
So Thursday's is for table top gaming.
So why don't you go out and play more games, guys.
WARREN: OK, guys.
Thanks.
SAM: Yeah.
BOYAN: Thanks, everyone.
BEN: Bye.
BEN: See ya.