The Tiger Tank - S1E3 - TreadheadS

Uploaded by theTreadheadS on 06.09.2012

HAEGR: Many of us love World of Tanks but what are tanks actually like outside of the game?
DORJAN: We'll track down ex-tankies and the people behind these machines
to find out what tanks are really like, put World of Tanks accuracy to the test,
then give you tips and tricks to overcome your adversaries on the field of battle.
In this episode we take a look at another iconic tank from the Second World War.
We explore how it performs inside and outside of the game and we will be talking to one of the luckiest men in the world
who got to ride in the last running Panzerkampfwagen VI Ausf. E
it is of course...
Doesn't that rumble make your belly warm?
HAEGR: Well, not quite, but it certainly produces other feelings.
DORJAN: One of the best things about the Tiger is the absolute ginormous rumble that it produces.
Anyone who's never seen the Tiger in actual action needs to go and hear it.
HAEGR: To be fair, not a lot of people still alive probably have seen it in action, but...
DORJAN: I suppose. That's what I said! Go, go see it if you haven't! If you haven't gone and seen it, go see it!
Anyway, here it is in game. Now, a lot of people have a lot of complaints or reserves about the Tiger in game.
HAEGR: Yeah, a lot of people do complain about it. Bit lackluster, the armour doesn't seem to stand up, too many critical hits
and it's just not a particularly well-rounded tank.
DORJAN: Well, I want to argue the point that a lot of people have the reputation of the Tiger from the fact that in WWII,
the Tiger mostly fought tanks that are considered tier V and VI on the tech tree. So in the war it had a reputation for fighting tier V and VI.
Now, the Tiger in this game, take it against a bunch of tier V and VI's and it will do great. So the reputation is still warranted,
but there are a lot of bigger fish in the sea. HAEGR: Oh, definitely, definitely.
You think the Tiger's main adversary during the whole war was either the Churchill or the Sherman, both tier V's.
DORJAN: Yeah, and the T-34. HAEGR: Yeah. Again, tier V.
DORJAN: Yeah. So the reason the Tiger is so well known in real life is because it went against tier V's. It was overpowered!
I mean, God, it took--was it 8 tanks, was that what the U.S. Army manuals were saying?
HAEGR: It was five. You would have to approach it from five different angles, four different angles.
Give--the time it took the Tiger to knock out the other four Shermans, the 5th Sherman would get behind it, and put a shell through it.
DORJAN: Well--love the odds.
HAEGR: I'd like to point out that they are American Shermans, it's not the British modified Fireflies,
'cause they could punch through it with--still fairly difficult,
but once you start getting the experienced tank crews it started to become less of an issue.
DORJAN: Isn't the Firefly tier VI in the tech tree?
HAEGR: Firefly's not in the game yet! DORJAN: Oh! Swear it was!
Ok. That's a shame, it should definitely be in the game, see no reason why it's not.
HAEGR: Well, the main reason is it's a British modification.
DORJAN: But what I mean is, for the British tech tree, dude.
HAEGR: Obviously the British tech tree hasn't been completely finalised yet, so...
DORJAN: Is it not on there? HAEGR: No.
DORJAN: Ah. That's a shame. I'm going to go kick them in the ass and say, "Oi! Firefly! What're you doing...!"
HAEGR: Anyway, anyway, anyway... back to the actual game:
what you see here is I've been held up in this, pretty much standing in the corner
try to use the Tiger's abilities as more of a longer range sniping tank
with limited success at the moment, more due to luck, and the angle I'm trying to fire at
but as you can see, the Tiger's gun does quite like to take tanks out at a longer range.
DORJAN: Yes, the strength of the Tiger in this game is that you've got to do long range fighting.
There's no way in skirmishes you're going to survive the close range brawlers like the IS.
It's not so good, you've got too many weaknesses, too many flat surfaces on the Tiger to make it a good close combat tank.
HAEGR: Yeah, and generally in the war you'd have the engagement ranges up to--and more than--a thousand meters.
DORJAN: Yeah. That makes the Tiger much more effective. Once you get round the sides or get close enough
that you can see some of the massive viewports and weaknesses that the Tiger has on the front armour, it's so much easier to penetrate.
I don't think you do the Tiger fully justice in this game, because you have no ventilation, and your crew isn't at 100%, is it?
HAEGR: I know, I know. But, what can you say... I've got lots of other tanks I need to play.
As you can see--the perfect example there--even at the medium-to-close range the gun still has the punch.
It will quite happily poke holes through just about any tank up 'til its own tier.
As long as you know where to shoot.
DORJAN: Yeah, we're also showing that at this range--what--a 170 m, was that?
The Tiger's armour is offering no protection against the Panther.
HAEGR: Yeah. A Panther, it's got the sniper needle gun. So that has a reputation of punching through just about anything.
DORJAN: Yeah. That's--yeah, it's made of butter, really. You might as well have butter for armour anyway.
HAEGR: Yeah, very, very lucky I didn't reload half a second quicker!
DORJAN: Allies have a great way of doing that! "Let's not pay attention to our ally, and drive in front of him!"
HAEGR: I'm sure we've all experienced it before, spanking the odd shot off of a friendly,
just 'cause they're not paying attention. DORJAN: Ahem! I've never done that! Ahem! Ever...
HAEGR: Yeah, 'course you have. Now, sadly, the 'attacks of the stupid' are contagious in this game.
As you're about to see, I thought, "Oh, quite low hit points... it's all right, I can push up this side road all by myself!
I don't have to worry about the tank destroyers and the artillery that are up there."
DORJAN: No, you can't see them! They're not rendering on the map, are they?
HAEGR: I can see from the explosions and the mass of wrecked tanks that there is probably something fairly large up there!
DORJAN: No, you're safe! Come on, keep pushing up, keep pushing up!
HAEGR: I'm thinking about it, I'm thinking about it! I reckon I can take it! You reckon I can take it?
DORJAN: I, er... No. HAEGR: What's the worst that could happen?
DORJAN: ...this. TANK CREW: Vehicle destroyed! HAEGR: Well... yeah.
DORJAN: Let's look at the tank stats from the WOT Armory article they recently did on the Tiger.
You should definitely check it out, but here's a summary. The front armour plates are around a 100, all the way through.
So unless you've got an average penetration of around 125, you shouldn't bother. Else you're looking for lucky shots.
A thing to know about the Tiger--although I said in the last video you shouldn't brawl with it
--and you shouldn't!--if you get into a one-on-one situation with anything of your own tier or below,
like the IS, you can stand toe-to-toe with it. You've got a lot of HP.
So just take your time with your 88mm, keep hitting them, and eventually they will die before you.
So that's the Tiger in World of Tanks. Now let's look at it outside of the game. There she is!
HAEGR: What a beast!
DORJAN: It''s one of these magical creatures that you see and you hear about so much from WWII.
It's meant to be a scary death machine, but when you see it, you love it.
HAEGR: You do love it, and you can kind of sympathise for the Allied soldiers facing them,
just from the lung-vibrating kind of--the bass rumble, almost a roar. It's primal kind of noise it generates.
DORJAN: It is! There's no other tank like it.
All the tanks we saw that day at Bovington Tank Museum, none of them sounded anything like it!
HAEGR: No. None of them, none of them.
Obviously the Tiger was brought in to directly deal with the threat of the Russian KV-1.
Pretty much as soon as the KV turned up it could wipe the floor with any Panzer III's, Panzer IV's that were still in service.
So the German High Command commissioned Henschel and Porsche to come up with two rival designs.
Now, the Henschel one was chosen over the Porsche one, which actually broke down slightly less!
DORJAN: Slightly less?! HAEGR: Only slightly.
DORJAN: Well how... Were they not reliable or something?
HAEGR: No, no, because they were rushed into production, same as the Panther.
They were woefully unreliable, they were difficult to service, caught fire...
even their coolant fans were vulnerable to shrapnel bursts and anything like that.
DORJAN: Ouch! It sounds like they had a lot of weaknesses!
HAEGR: They did! But, when you look at it, the sheer size and weight of this tank--I mean
it was bigger than just about anything certainly the British and Americans could field at the time.
Even a lot of the Russian examples... It was just a huge, heavyweight monster.
DORJAN: Wouldn't want to be one of these infantrymen that sees one of these.
Even if the armour wasn't that strong compared to, say, some of the Russian monsters, it was still insanely large.
HAEGR: The thing is--the armour itself, especially when it was first produced,
it was pretty much impervious to any Allied anti-tank weapon, fired from the front.
DORJAN: Oh, really? HAEGR: Yes, it was considered that.
They actually--that's when, talking about the tactics of trying to flank the vehicles,
go for the side and rear armour. It was impervious. DORJAN: Well, isn't that more to do with the fact
that the Allies' guns were woefully underpowered rather than the Germans' armour was too thick?
HAEGR: Oh, definitely. You look at the Allies' 6-pounders and the 74, 75mm's,
they were woefully, woefully inadequate for the job they were expected to do.
They were--if you look at the later war, you have the British 17-pounder
that would quite happily poke holes through just about any German armour that was around!
DORJAN: Yeah. If I remember rightly, the early German armour had the exact same issue against the Russians,
and then they developed the Tiger, and then the British had the exact same problem against the Tiger!
HAEGR: Oh, definitely, I mean the whole war was just one-upmanship to see who has the biggest toy.
DORJAN: And certainly the Germans ended up with the biggest toys! But it was manufacturing that let them down.
HAEGR: Oh yeah, it was manufacturing, supply, and availability of materials.
Obviously one thing we have yet to touch on is the Tiger's most infamous pieces of equipment, its 88 mm cannon.
DORJAN: The 88 mm, the thing the Tiger was built around-- it literally was made just so it could house this thing!
Now, this thing comes from when the Germans saw the KV-1's for the very first time and shat themselves!
HAEGR: Oh yeah, the first engagement against the first twenty KV-1's--I mean, the Germans were throwing everything at them!
Their Panzer 38t's, even up to their 150 mm artillery guns. At 200 meters, they weren't penetrating!
It's only when the Luftwaffe battalion lowered their 88 flak guns they started punching through.
It still took 12 hits, but they still managed to do it. DORJAN: Twelve hits is quite a lot!
HAEGR: Still--still is a beast of a gun.
I mean you're looking at a weapon that could quite happily engage enemy armour up to 4000 m.
DORJAN: Cor, 4000 m, you don't get that in World of Tanks. HAEGR: Definitely not.
DORJAN: And now a minute with the man who was commanding that Tiger tank, Victor Kislyi of!
And like our other interviews from TankFest, the audio quality is not the best, so switch on the captions provided.
HAEGR: There he is, the very happy man!
DORJAN: How did it feel?
VICTOR KISLYI: It was absolutely fan... did you see how it exploded when it just ignited?!
DORJAN: No, unfortunately we didn't! We were too far away.
VICTOR: That's probably... they run this one one, two times a year,
so the maximum--apart from the professional driver and professional supervisor, one or two more people...'s like winning 10 million euros!
DORJAN: It's priceless! It's almost priceless. You'd pay a lot of money to be able to do that.
VICTOR: There are other Tiger tanks stationed in the museums, right...? DORJAN: Right. How many working ones?
VICTOR: The only working one is this one.
I know in Portola Valley, in California, there is a working Panther tank,
so some people are lucky to have driven that one and Saumur museum has the King Tiger, I guess.
So it's pretty much just a couple of those left in the whole world, driving. DORJAN: Not the Tiger I though! And you've just driven it.
VICTOR: I just did! DORJAN: Well commanded it. VICTOR: That was... I have no words. I'm, I'm...
DORJAN: Whoopee! VICTOR: Woo-hoo! Woo-hoo!
DORJAN: Fantastic! VICTOR: Thank you.
HAEGR: The Tiger tank: certainly deserving the title of one of the most iconic tanks of the Second World War.
For all those of you out there who are interested in history,
a mini-documentary has been produced about medieval re-enactment, and why people do it.
The video is produced for a university dissertation, and it features the re-enactment group I'm lucky enough to be a member of.
Follow the link in this episode's description to view the whole video and more of its creator's work.
DORJAN: Next episode we're going to be looking at the Sherman tank
what the Americans brought to the war and how they fared, struggled, and succeeded on the field of battle.
We are also going to announce the winners of the Hunt us Down and Subscribers' Lucky Dip competition from the GamesCom episode.
and if we're lucky, we'll be able to catch up with Nigel Montgomery and his restoration projects.
See you next time!