Regular 07/24/12 Session - Norfolk City Council


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>>> MARCUS, YOU WANT TO REVIEW THE AGENDA?
>> THANK YOU. RESOLUTION ON URANIUM MINING
WHICH IS GOING TO PROVIDE, AS WELL AS SPSA POST 2018.
RON WILLIAMS WILL GIVE US AN UPDATE THERE.
WE HAD A PLACE OPEN FOR THE THE ANIMAL ADVISORY BOARD.
BECAUSE THE COUNCIL HAS PUT TOGETHER THE BOARD, IT'S JUST A
PLACE HOLDER, SO WE DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION ON EITHER
THE ANIMAL ADVISORY BOARD OR ANYTHING RELATED TO THE CENTER,
SO THAT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT TO DIG A LITTLE BIT MORE
INTO URANIUM AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
>> I KNOW WE HAVE SOME FRIENDS HERE INTERESTED IN THE MAKEUP OF
THE ANIMAL ADVISORY BOARD. LET ME MAKE SURE I GET THIS
RIGHT. ANIMAL RESCUE, TIDEWATER
REPRESENTATIVE, THE VIRGINIA FEDERATION OF HUMANE SOCIETIES,
THE ETHICAL TREATMENT OF ANIMALS REPRESENTATIVE, A NORMAL SPSA
REPRESENTATIVE, FRIENDS OF THE NORFOLK ANIMAL CARE AND ADOPTION
REPRESENTATIVE. A VETERINARIAN THAT LIVES AND
WORKS IN NORFOLK AND THEN THREE CITIZENS.
WE HAVE THREE NON-VOTING MEMBERS AND THAT WOULD BE THE BUREAU
MANAGER OF NORFOLK ANIMAL CARE ADOPTION CENTER, POLICE CAPTAIN
OF ANIMAL CONTROL, AND A PUBLIC HEALTH DIRECTOR AND WE WILL
ACTUALLY FLUSH THESE NAMES OUT OR ASK THESE GROUPS FOR THEIR
REPRESENTATIVE MEMBERS AND COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON WHO THE THREE
CITIZENS WILL BE AT OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH WILL NOT OCCUR
FOR ABOUT THREE WEEKS, I THINK, A MONTH.
OKAY? IT IS APPROACHING 6:00.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY COUNCIL INTERESTS OR NOT, BUT
LET ME START WITH YOU, ANDY. >> THESE ARE A COUPLE THINGS
THAT I REALLY HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO DEAL WITH OFF-LINE.
MARCUS, ONE OF THEM DEALS WITH A GENTLEMAN WHOá-- HE WAS GETTING
SIGNATURES FOR A CAMPAIGN IN FRONT OF PRETLOW LIBRARY.
YOU CAN LOOK INTO WHAT HAPPENED. HE IS A RESIDENT OF MY WARD.
I APOLOGIZE THAT I DIDN'T DO THAT OFF-LINE, BUT I JUST
RECEIVED IT. ALSO, IN GENERAL DISTRICT COURT,
I APPRECIATE THERE'S SOME WORD GOING AROUND AND I UNDERSTAND
THAT IF YOU'RE ON THE CITY PAYROLL SYSTEM, IF YOU RECEIVE
HRT A 365 RIDE, AND CIRCUIT COURT GETS IT AND I BELIEVE
OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS GET IT.
GENERAL DISTRICT COURT CLERK'S OFFICE CONTACTED ME, THERE'S 54
PEOPLE THERE, 17 AT J&D COURT, THE CLERK'S OFFICE, THAT THEY'RE
INTERESTED IN THAT. BECAUSE THEIR CHECKS ARE
COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA, NOT CITY OF NORFOLK, THEY CAN'T
PARTICIPATE UNDER WHAT THE CITY'S PLAN IS.
CAN YOU EXAMINE THAT AND SOMEHOW WORK A SOLUTION FOR THE CLERK'S
OFFICES? IT SOUNDS STRANGE THAT SOMEBODY
WHO WALKS OFF THE TRAIN AND GOES ONE WAY AND HAS THE OPPORTUNITY
AS PART OF THE CITY OF NORFOLK SYSTEM BECAUSE HE'S A CIRCUIT
COURT CLERK, AND THEN THE ONE THAT WORKS IN THE GENERAL
DISTRICT COURT CAN'T PARTICIPATE MERELY BECAUSE THE CHECKS COME
FROM TWO DIFFERENT SOURCES, EVEN THOUGH THEIR MONEY DOES COME
FROM THE STATE TO BOTH. IT'S JUST AN ODD SYSTEM, SO IF
WE COULD LOOK AT THAT, I'D APPRECIATE THAT.
ALSO, I THINK DOING BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS TODAY, IT'S PROBABLY
JUST MY HAVING BEEN HERE FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW AND FIGURING
OUT SOME THINGS, AND SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BEGIN TO
DO ISá-- AND I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. PERHAPS DEMAND FROM THESE BOARDS
AND COMMISSIONS, DEMAND THEY PRODUCE THEIR MINUTES TO US.
I KNOW THAT THOSE THAT STANLEY AND I GO TO, LET'S SAY THE
REGIONAL JAIL, I KNOW I'VE GIVEN A REPORT IN THE PAST ON THE
HIGHWAY COMMISSION AND I'VE MENTIONED IT DURING COUNCIL
CONCERNS, BUT I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT WE SOMEHOW NEED
AND PERHAPS THIS IS GOING TO NEED TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR
THE RETREAT, AND THAT WE NEED TO SOMEHOW EITHER DIVIDE UP THE
CERTAIN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND EACH OF US LIAISON WITH THEM
AND THAT WAY WE HAVE A GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY'RE
DOING. I THINK IN THE PAST GET OUT OF
CONTROL. CSB IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, PERHAPS
HOW THEY GOT OUT OF CONTROL IS THAT WE WEREN'T THERE.
SCHOOL BOARD, A LOT OF TYPES IN THE PRESS, WE GETá-- AS COUNCIL,
WE GET VILIFIED BECAUSE WE GIVE THEM 300áMILLION AND SAY GO DO
WHAT YOU WANT WITH IT AND THEN WE GET A REPORT BACK EVERY SO
OFTEN, BUT PERHAPS WE NEED TO STEP UP AND BE MUCH MORE
COGNIZANT OF WHAT OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE DOING, HAVE
EITHER Aá-- ASSIGN ME FIVE, TOMMY FIVE, SO ON, AND SO WE ARE
THE LIAISON FOR THOSE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, THAT THEY CONTACT
US WHEN THEY'RE IN NEED OF SOMETHING AND THAT WAY THEY
DON'T HAVE TO CALL ALL FIVE OF US AND WE CAN BRING THAT CONCERN
TO THE TABLE BECAUSE THEY ARE A CONSTITUENT AND IT ALLOWS US TO
GIVE OUR VISION BACK TO THEM. WE HAVE A VISION, WE SHOULD BE
THE ONES THAT ARE GIVING THOSE VISIONS TO THE COMMISSIONS AND
THE BOARDS, AND WE CAN EASIER DO THAT IF I GIVE A MEMO BACK TO
THAT COMMISSION OR BOARD AND I GO TO THEIR MEETING.
I'VE BEEN TO A COUPLE, BUT A PUBLIC ARTS COMMISSION, I'VE
BEEN TO THEIR MEETING, THAT IF WE HAVE A VISION, TO TELL THEM
WHAT OUR VISION IS TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
THE NEW ANIMAL ADVISORY BOARD, GIVE THEM OUR VISION.
WE WANT TO BE A CITY THAT DOESN'T KILL ANIMALS, THEN WE DO
THAT. WE EXPRESS THAT VISION AS A
COUNCIL. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO
PERHAPS WORK THAT OUT AND DISCUSS THAT, REALLY, IN HOW WE
CAN DO THAT IN RETREAT. >> BE GLAD TOá-- WE HAVE A LOT
OF TOPICS, BUT THAT'S A GOOD ONE.
IN THE PAST, ON OCCASION, WE'VE ASSIGNED COUNCIL MEMBERS, I MEAN
YEARS AGO, TO THAT AND WE REALLY GOT AWAY FROM IT.
I THINK VIRGINIA BEACH DOES WHAT YOU SAID.
>> THEY DO. >> THEY HAVE NINE COUNCIL
MEMBERS AND THEY GO OUT TO THE SCHOOL BOARDS AND SOME OTHER
BOARDS. >> I THINK IT GIVESá-- THAT WAY
WHEN WE'REá-- I KNOW WE MEET ONCE EVERY YEAR, ONCE EVERY TWO
YEARS AND WE'VE MET WITH CERTAINLY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS
AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN OUT TO THE GARDENS AND WE'VE SEEN THAT, BUT
IT BECOMES MUCH MORE OF A HANDS-ON PROCESS AND SOMETHING I
REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT AND IT'S GOTTEN AWAY FROM ME AND THE GOOD
TOP AWAY FROM ALL OF US. WE CAN MAKE IT A RETREAT ISSUE
PERHAPS IS PROBABLY WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.
I THINK THOSE ARE THE ONLY ISSUES THAT I HAVE.
I'M SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE DONE PERHAPS ALL THEá--
>> I'VE GOTTEN A LETTER, AND I THINK OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS
HAVE, FROM A JUDGE WHO'S OVER GENERAL DISTRICT COURT WHO'S
CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE THE BUS STOP IS THERE ON ST.áPAUL.
WE GOT A LETTER IN MID JUNE, AND THEN I GOT A SECOND LETTER TODAY
SAYING APPARENTLY HIS FIRST LETTER WAS MISPLACED AND, A
LITTLE TONGUE IN CHEEK, BUT HE'S GOT A GOOD POINT.
THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY IN THAT LITTLE BLOCK.
YOU DON'T NEED TO TELL US NOW, BUT WE GOT TO RESPOND TO THE
JUDGE AND THE LIGHT RAIL TURNING, BUSES, PEOPLE TRYING TO
JUMP ACROSS THE STREET, THEIR CARS, THE STOPLIGHT JUST A FEW
FEET OF THAT, A FOUR-WAY STOPLIGHT.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT. MR. RIDDICK.
>> YES. ON NORCHESTER AVENUE ALMOST AT
THE INTERSECTION OF MYRTLE AVENUE, THERE'S A DISHTS NOT
ACTUALLY Aá-- IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A POWER STATION, IT'S ACTUALLY A
TOWER AND THAT TOWER IS FENCED IN.
IT HAS BEEN, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT'S BEEN SINCE IT'S BEEN
CLEANED, BUT IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, TERRIBLE EYESORE TO THE
COMMUNITY, AND I WOULD IMAGINE IT'S VIRGINIA POWER TOWER AND SO
THEY HAVE TO KEEP, AND THEY REALLY NEED TO GO IN THERE AND
CLEAN THAT UP. SO NORCHESTER AVENUE ALMOST AT
THE INTERSECTION OF MYRTLE. THAT'S ALL THAT I HAVE.
>> THANK YOU. >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
>> NOTHING. >> WOW.
ANTHONY? >> WE GOT TO GET A BETTER
RELATIONSHIP WITH VIRGINIA DOMINION POWER AS RELATES TO
WHEN WE ACQUISITION AND DEMOLITION, IT'S TAKING ENTIRELY
TOO LONG FOR DEMOLITION TO TAKE PLACE ON BUILDINGS, AND WE
SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WAIT AFTER WE AWARDED A CONTRACT THREE MONTHS,
AND I WAS TRYING TO FIND OUT WHO CONTACTS THE DOMINION POWER TO
SECURE THAT. AND THEY SAID, WELL, THE CITY
DOES. SO I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD
HAVE A BETTER RELATIONSHIP WHERE IT DOESN'T TAKE THREE MONTHS.
I MEAN, I WORK WITH THEM ON QUITE A BIT OFá-- QUITE A FEW
PROJECTS AND EVEN MY OWN PERSONAL PROJECTS, IT HAS NEVER
TAKEN ME TWO TO THREE MONTHS TO GET A POWER LINE DISCONNECTED
FROM A HOME TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING.
AND SO THAT ISá-- I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BREAKDOWN IS, BUT, YOU
KNOW, SOMEBODY TELLS ME THAT SOMETHING IS SCHEDULED TO BE
TAKEN DOWN THIS MONTH OR THE FOLLOWING MONTH, AND WE'RE STILL
WAITING ONE OR TWO MONTHS LATER AND STILL DON'T HAVE ANY
DEFINITIVE TIMELINE WHEREAS TOá-- WHEN THIS IS GOING TO TAKE
PLACE. >> WHAT'S THE PROPERTY?
>> THE CHINESE RESTAURANT ON VIRGINIA BEACH BOULEVARD AND
MERRIMAC. ALSO, I SPOKE WITH FRANK AND I
JUST WANTED TO PUT ON THE RECORD, AS WEá-- YOU KNOW, WE
APPROVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
AS WE APPROVE THESE PROJECTS AND THESE PROJECTS GET ON THE WAY, I
THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT STAFF, WHETHER IT BEá-- WELL, OUT OF
FRANK DUKE'S OFFICE, BASICALLY, THAT THE GUIDELINES THAT WE PUT
IN PLACE, THAT WHEN SOMEONE COMES TO US TO PRESENT A
PROJECT, THAT WE GO OUT THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY
DOING WHAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO.
I THINK A LOT OF TIMES, YOU GET PROJECTS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE
THEá-- NRHA HAS GOOD OVERSIGHT BECAUSE THEY'RE INVOLVED FROM
START TO FINISH, BUT AS IT RELATES TO OUR OVERSIGHT, I
DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE, ON THIS SIDE OF THE AISLE, THE MANPOWER
TO DO SO. BUT I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT,
ESPECIALLY MAJOR PROJECTS, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT OVERSIGHT AND
GO OUT THERE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE LETTER OF
THE LAW, THAT THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE 35% OF SHRUBBERY,
OF VEGETATION, THAT THEY'RE HEEDING TO THAT.
IF THEY SAY THAT THESE ARE THE SETBACKS, SO ON AND SO FORTH,
THEN THEY'RE FOLLOWING THAT. IF THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO USE
X-NUMBER TYPES OF MATERIAL, THAT THEY'RE DOING SO.
AND SO I SEE THAT A LOT OF ACTIVITY TAKING PLACE, BUT I
DON'T SEE THE INSPECTIONS. >> I CAN TAKE CARE OF MINE.
>> JUST TWO THINGS. FIRST ONE IS WITH FESTEVENTS AND
OPSAIL, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO RECOGNIZE THE WORK THAT
THEY DID AT A COUNCIL MEETING. I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO BE IN
RESOLUTION FORM OR NOT, BUT I THINK MAYBE GET A REPORT BACK.
I KNOW THEY'RE PROBABLY COMPILING THE DATA, BUT JUST
WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT STAYS ON THE RADAR, AND THE OTHER ONE IS,
THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP, I'VE HEARD IT THREE TYPES IN THE LAST
TWO YEARS WITH HRT AND THE BUS STOPS.
THERE'S ALREADY A STIGMA ON BUS STOPS AND IT DOESN'T HELP WHEN
HRT IS NOT KEEPING THEM CLEAN, AND WHAT I'VE NOTICED WITH IT IS
THEY HAVE GARBAGE CANS BY THEM AND THEY'RE NOT COLLECTING THEM
AT A FAST-ENOUGH RATE AND THE TRASH IS POURING OUT AND IT
BLOWS ALL OVER THE PLACE. BY THE PRETLOW LIBRARY, WE'VE
BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS FOR TWO YEARS, TRASH IS OVERFLOWING
ON THEM. LAST TIME WE ADDRESSED IT WITH
HRT, THEY SAID THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO DO A BETTER JOB IN
GETTING PEOPLE OUT THERE FASTER. I HAPPENED TO BE THE NEXT
MORNING, I'M DRIVING DOWN GRANBY STREET AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A
GUY IN A PICKUP TRUCK THAT IS HIRED, I GUESS, BY HRT, WHO GOES
AROUND AND PICK THE TRASH UP AT THE BUS STOP.
I JUSTá-- I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY, WHEN WE HAVE PUBLIC WORKS
AND A GREAT WASTE MANAGEMENT THAT DRIVE BY THESE, THAT WE
CAN'T HAVE THE CONTRACT FOR THE BUSINESS TO TAKE CARE OF THE
TRASH AT THESE LOCATIONS. AND MAYBE IT'S A REGIONAL THING,
BUT I JUST THINK THAT OUR GUYS WOULD DO A MUCH BETTER JOB, IT
WOULD GET PICKED UP FASTER INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE
HAVING SO SIT WITH THIS AND TRASH THERE.
IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS THAT THIS IS CONTINUING AFTER TWO YEARS.
I KNOW STANLEY, THE LAST TIME WE TALKED TO THEM, THEY SAID OH,
THEY'D TAKE CARE OF IT. AND WE WERE OUT THERE, SOMEBODY
GOT ON THE PHONE, AND THE GUY CAME OUT THERE IN THE PICKUP
TRUCK, AND THEY THROW IT IN THE BACK OF THE PICKUP TRUCK AND
THEY DRIVE OFF. I DON'T THINK IT'S A
PROFESSIONAL COMPANY THAT IS MAINTAINING THIS AND THEY
LITERALLY JUST STAY RIGHT THERE AT THE GARBAGE CAN.
THEY TAKE THE TRASH CAN, THE TRASH BAG OUT, PUT IT IN THE
BACK OF THE TRUCK. THEY DON'T PICK UP ANY OF THE
TRASH UNLESS ITS RIGHT THERE AROUND THE GARBAGE CAN.
THEY SAID THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING THAT IS
OFF OF THERE, AND I KNOW IF OUR GUYS WERE DOING IT, IT WOULD BE
DONE TOP QUALITY AND IT WOULD LOOK BETTER THAN WHAT OUR
CITIZENS HAVE TO DEAL WITH EVERY DAY.
>> CAN I CHIME IN ON THAT WITH LIGHTING?
I MEAN, THE HRT BUS STOPS, AT NIGHT, SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY
DARK. THEY'RE NOT NEAR STREET LIGHTS,
AND THEY'RE NOT SAFE. IF YOU HAVE WOMEN, CHILDREN,
TEENAGERS CATCHING A BUS AND THEY'RE STANDING THERE, IT MEAN
IT'S A GREAT SHELTER BECAUSE IT COVERS THEM FROM THE RAIN, BUT
WE DON'T WANT THEM BEING COVERED FROM GETTING MUGGED OR RAPED OR
KILLED OR SOMETHING BECAUSE THERE'S NO LIGHTING IN THOSEá--
IN THOSE SHELTERS. >> WHEN WE BRING UP ISSUES WITH
HRT, HOW DOES THAT CONVERSATION HAPPEN?
I KNOW BARKLEY HASá-- >> I'LL TAKE IT TO THEM.
>> RON WILLIAMS HAS STARTED A MEETING WITH HRT STAFF AND OUR
STAFF. WE ACTUALLY HAD ONE LAST FRIDAY.
THERE WAS A LOT OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE WENT AROUND THE TABLE
AND TALKED ABOUT AND I WILL SAY THIS.
WILLIAM HARRELL IS VERY REPRESENTATIVE AND VERY
RESPONSIVEá-- RECEPTIVE AND VERY RESPONSIVE TO MANY OF THE ISSUES
WE BRING UP. >> THAT TRASH ISSUE IS
CITY-WIDE, NOT JUST THERE. >> IT'S ALMOST EVERY STATION,
NOT JUST WHERE THEY HAVEá-- IT'S WHERE THEY HAVE EVERY STOP AT,
NOT ONLY HAMPTON BOULEVARD, IN FRONT OF THE JAMESá-- WE REALLY
OUGHT TO, WE SAID YOU ARE HAVING THESE MEETINGS, BUT WE ARE BY
FAR THE BIGGESTá-- MOST OF THEIR REVENUE COMES FROM NORFOLK.
WE OUGHT TO DEMAND, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE TIMES A MONTH MEETING OR
MORE. I MEAN, JUST THE WAY THAT THEY
POLICE THE CITY, THEY COULD HAVE TRASHá-- IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME
THAT MAYBE OUR OWN PEOPLE COULD DO IS, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S
SOMETHING WE OUGHT TO EXPLORE. I MEAN, THAT'Sá--
>> THAT'S IT. >> ON THAT SUBJECT, PAUL, DO WE
KNOW WHEN THE GOVERNOR IS GOING TO APPOINT THE COMMISSION?
>> HE HAS IT IN FRONT OF HIM. I KNOW DELEGATE SELMA DRAKE IS
WORKING ON IT. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ON
THIS. WE HAD ANOTHER PRESENTATION
TODAY, ANOTHER PROPOSAL TO THE EPA AND WE'LL HAVE TO GET A COPY
OF THAT. I THINK THEY E-MAILED ME A COPY,
BUT WE OUGHT TO CIRCULATE THAT TO THE COUNCIL.
TOMORROW MORNING, WE'LL HEARá-- AND ALSO, I'M TOLD THE MARITIME
ASSOCIATION, THAT A PRESENTATION IS BEING MADE TO THEM EXPRESSING
THEIR CONCERNS, SO WE OUGHT TO GET A COPY OF THAT TO EVERYBODY,
SO WE CAN STAY UP TO DATE ON AT LEAST WHAT THE MARITIME
COMMISSION THINKS. THE NEW BPA REPORT TRIED TO AT
LEAST RESOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES.
THERE IS A MOVEMENT OR THERE IS SOMEá-- THERE'S GOING TO BE A
STUDY PERFORMED BETWEEN EDMS AND WILLIAM AND MARY AS TO AN
AFFILIATION. WE MAY AT SOME POINTá-- HMM?
[ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ] THAT'S JUST AN EXPLORATORY.
OKAY. IF YOU READ IN THE PAPER, I
DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE HAVING (INAUDIBLE).
>> GOOD EVENING. >> GOOD EVENING.
>> THIS PRESENTATION WAS INTENDED TO BE AN UPDATE ON THE
COLES HILL URANIUM MINING PROJECT, AND THE ASSOCIATED
EFFORTS TO LIFT THE MORATORIUM THAT'S CURRENTLY IN PLACE ON
URANIUM MINING IN VIRGINIA, AND YOU MAY RECALL THAT COUNCIL WAS
PREVIOUSLY BRIEFED ON THIS TOPIC IN NOVEMBER OF 2009 AND THEN
LAST MARCH, AND I'D LIKE TO TAKE JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES TO
REVIEW SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THE VERY BASIC
URANIUM INFORMATION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN YOUR FIRST
PRESENTATION. URANIUM IS A RADIOACTIVE ELEMENT
THAT GIVES OFF ENERGY AS IT DECAYS OVER TIME, AND WE'RE NOT
GOING TO SEE THIS ON THE SLIDES HERE, THIS IS JUST A REVIEW FROM
LAST TIME. IT'S USED AS A FUEL IN NUCLEAR
POWER PLANTS AND THE PRICE PER POUND FOR URANIUM HAS VARIED
GREATLY OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.
IT WAS AROUND $10 A POUND IN 2003, AND WENT AS HIGH AS $100 A
POUND IN 2009. AND IT'S COME BACK TO IN THE 65
OR THEREABOUTS DOLLARS PER POUND.
YOU OBTAIN URANIUM BY MINING ORE THAT TYPICALLY CONTAINS LESS
THAN ONE POUND OF URANIUM OXIDE PER THOUSAND POUNDS OF ORE THAT
YOU HAVE TO MINE. AND URANIUM OXIDE, WHICH IS
CALLED YELLOW CAKE, IS EXTRACTED FROM THE ORE THAT YOU MINE,
TYPICALLY BY CRUSHING THE ORE AND THEN APPLYING A LEACHING
SOLUTION THAT'S USUALLY SULFURIC ACID.
AND THIS MINING PROCESS CREATES HUGE AMOUNTS OF WASTE PRODUCT,
INCLUDING THE LEACHING SOLUTION AND 99% OF THE ORE THAT WAS
MINED, AND THAT WASTE ORE CONTAINSá-- OR RETAINS 85% OF
ITS ORIGINAL RADIOACTIVITY FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
AND THIS WASTE PRODUCT IS CALLED MILL TAILINGS AND THEY'RE
USUALLY STORED IN SLURRY PONDS AND THEN EVENTUALLY THEY'RE
DEPOSITED IN EARTHEN CONFINEMENT CELLS WITH CLAY LINERS AND CAPS,
KIND OF SIMILAR TO A LANDFILL. IN 1983, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
PLACE ADD MORATORIUM ON URANIUM MINING DUE TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND
ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, AND BECAUSE OF A LARGE DEPOSIT OF
URANIUM ORE THAT'S ESTIMATED TO BE WORTH 7 TO $10 BILLION THAT'S
LOCATED IN COLES HILL IN PENNSYLVANIA COUNTY, THERE HAS
BEEN A STRONG LOBBY TO HAVE THE MORATORIUM AGAINST URANIUM
MINING LIFTED. NORFOLK'S PARTICULAR INTEREST IN
THIS RELATES TO OUR WATER SUPPLY, AND COLES HILL URANIUM
MINE, OR URANIUM DEPOSIT IS LOCATED BY THE BANISTER RIVER,
WHICH DRAINS THROUGH CARR RESERVOIR INTO LAKE GASTON, AND
THE CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH PUMPS LAKE GASTON WATER INTO OUR
RESERVOIRS IN SUFFOLK AND ISLE OF WIGHT COUNTY, AND THOSE
RESERVOIRS ARE THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF WATER FOR MOST OF
SOUTHSIDE HAMPTON ROADS, INCLUDING ALL OF THE CITY OF
NORFOLK, ALL OF THE CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH, ALL OF THE NAVAL
FACILITIES IN BOTH OF THOSE CITIES, THE CITY OFá-- MUCH OF
THE CITY OF CHESAPEAKE, AND IN TIMES OF DROUGHT, THE CITIES OF
PORTSMOUTH AND SUFFOLK AND IN THE FUTURE, ON A REGULAR BASIS,
THE CITY OF SUFFOLK AND ISLE OF WIGHT COUNTY.
THIS MAP SHOWS AT THE TOP LEFT THE LOCATION OF THE COLES HILL
DEPOSIT AND THE POSSIBLE URANIUM MINING SITE, AND THEN IF YOU
LOOK DOWN AT THE FAR RIGHT, YOU CAN SEE THE LAKE GASTON PUMP
LOCATIONS AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOCATED IN A LITTLE TRIBUTARY
OFF OF LAKE GASTON CALLED PEAHILL CREEK.
AND YOU CAN SEE ALONG THE WATERWAY THERE, THERE ARE
NUMEROUS PUBLIC WATER SUPPLIES. THIS MAP IS FROM A MUCH HIGHER
LEVEL AND SHOWS THE LAKE GASTON PIPELINE BY THE BLUE LINE WITH
THE BLUE DOTS ON IT, FROM LAKE GASTON TO OUR RESERVOIRS AND
THEN IT SHOWS NORFOLK'S PIPELINES FROM OUR WATER SOURCES
TO OUR WATER TREATMENT PLANT BY THE RED LINE WITH THE RED DOTS.
NORFOLK HAS ALREADY TAKEN A STAND REGARDING URANIUM MINING
IN OUR STATEMENT, IN OUR 2012 LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES, AND
NORFOLK STATED THAT WE OPPOSE ANY LEGISLATIVE EFFORTS TO LIFT
THE MORATORIUM ON URANIUM MINING UNLESS IT CAN BE DEMONSTRATED
THAT URANIUM MINING CAN BE DONE IN A WAY THAT'S SAFE FOR THE
ENVIRONMENT AND OUR CITIZENS. IN ADDITION, WE REQUESTED THAT
THE URANIUM MINING MORATORIUM BE LEFT IN PLACE AT LEAST UNTIL THE
2013 GENERAL ASSEMBLY SESSION, AND PART OF THE REASON FOR THAT
WAS THAT THERE WERE A NUMBER OF STUDIES UNDERWAY THAT HAD NOT
BEEN COMPLETED. A NUMBER OF THESE STUDIES HAVE
NOW BEEN COMPLETED AND I GUESS ONE OF THE FIRST IS A STUDY THAT
WAS DONE BY THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES AND IT WAS A GENERAL
STUDY OF URANIUM MINING IN VIRGINIA, NOT SPECIFIC TO COLES
HILL OR ANY OTHER PROJECT. AND THIS NATIONAL ACADEMY OF
SCIENCES NOTED THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO EXPERIENCE
REGULATING URANIUM MINING IN AREAS WITH WET CLIMATES SIMILAR
TO OURS. ALL THEIR EXPERIENCE IS OUT WEST
IN ARID CLIMATES, AND THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCE'S
STUDY ALSO POINTED OUT THAT VIRGINIA HAS ABSOLUTELY NO
EXPERIENCE IN REGULATING URANIUM MINING.
THE CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH HAD A CONSULTANT DO A SITE-SPECIFIC
STUDY OF HOW THE COLES HILL PROJECT MIGHT IMPACT THEIR LAKE
GASTON WATER SUPPLY. THERE WERE ALSO TWO
SOCIOECONOMIC IMPACT STUDIES DONE OF THE COLES HILL PROJECT,
AND THEY INDICATED THAT THE PROJECT COULD BRING $150áMILLION
A YEAR IN REVENUE AND ABOUT A THOUSAND JOBS TO PENNSYLVANIA
COUNTY. HOWEVER, THEY ALSO NOTED THAT
THERE WOULD BE MEASURABLE IMPACT, NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THE
AIR AND WATER AND GROUND AROUND THE URANIUM MINING SITE, AND
THAT IF THERE WERE ANY KIND OF MULTIPLE SMALL OR ONE LARGE
MISHAPS AT THE SITE, THAT THAT WOULD WIPE OUT ALL OF THE
ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT.
THEN THE CITY OF NORFOLK RECENTLY HAD OUR WATER QUALITY
CONSULTANT DO A STUDY OF THE IMPACT OF THE COLES HILL PROJECT
ON OUR WATER SYSTEM. VIRGINIA BEACH'S STUDY INCLUDED
THE CREATION OF A MODEL THAT LOOKED AT A WORST CASE SCENARIO,
AND THEY DEFINED THE WORST CASE SCENARIO AS A BREACH OF A MILL
TAILINGS CONFINEMENT CELL CAUSED BY A HUGE RAINFALL EVENT DURING
A TIME OF EXTENDED DROUGHT. AND THEIR MODEL SHOWED THAT THIS
WORST CASE SCENARIO WOULD CAUSE RADIOACTIVE CONTAMINATION OF THE
BANNISTER RIVER, KERR RESERVOIR AND LAKE GASTON.
VERY INTERESTINGLY, THEIR MODEL SHOWED THAT THESE CONTAMINANTS
WOULDN'T ENTER PEAHILL CREEK WHERE THE PUMPS WERE LOCATED
UNLESS THE BUMPS WERE TURNED ON. SO BASICALLY THE PUMPS ON
PEAHILL CREEK KIND OF SUCK WATER OUT OF LAKE GASTON.
NORFOLK'S STUDY RESULTS WERE REASSURING IN THAT THEY SHOWED
THAT OUR TREATMENT PLANTS ARE FULLY CAPABLE OF TREATING THE
EXPECTED WORST CASE SCENARIO CONTAMINATION LEVELS TO MEET THE
CURRENT SAFE DRINKING WATER ACT REQUIREMENTS.
IN SPITE OF THAT THOUGH, THERE ARE TWO POTENTIAL THREATS TO OUR
ABILITY TO PROVIDE WATER THAT COULD BE CAUSED BY THE COLES
HILL PROJECT. THE FIRST ONE IS THE FACT THAT
IF THERE WERE ANY KIND OF AN EVENT, MISHAP AT THE COLES HILL
PROJECT, SURELY THERE WOULD BE IMMEDIATE LEGAL ACTION TAKEN BY
DOWNSTREAM PROPERTY OWNERS, PARTICULARLY AROUND PEAHILL
CREEK AND AROUND OUR RESERVOIRS IN SUFFOLK AND ISLE OF WIGHT
COUNTIES TO STOP PUMPING. AND IF WE WEREá-- OR VIRGINIA
BEACH WAS REQUIRED TO STOP PUMPING FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD
OF TIME DURING THE PERIOD OF LONG-TERM DROUGHT, THAT COULD
COMPROMISE OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE WATER TO OUR
CUSTOMERS AND WE'D HAVE TO IMPLEMENT STRINGENT WATER
CONSERVATION MEASURES. THE SECOND THREAT IS THE
POTENTIAL FOR THERE COULD BE SAFETY VIOLATIONS IN THE COLES
HILL PROJECT DUE TO THE FACT THAT VIRGINIA WOULDN'T HAVEá--
REGULATORS WOULD HAVE INEXPERIENCE, LACK OF FUNDING,
IT WOULD NOT BE FULLY EMPOWERED. AND VIRGINIA BEACH'S STUDY,
WHICH TALKED ABOUT THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, ASSUMED THAT THE
INDUSTRY WOULD BE FOLLOWING ALL APPROPRIATE SAFETY REGULATIONS
WHENá-- IN THEIR STUDY. OUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE STATE OF
VIRGINIA CERTAINLY HAS NOT BEEN THAT THEY HAVE FULLY EMPOWERED
OR FULLY FUNDED ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATORY PROGRAMS TO DATE.
AND FOR THOSE TWO REASONS, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT NORFOLK OPPOSE
LIFTING THE EXISTING MORATORIUM ON URANIUM MINING BY ADOPTING A
RESOLUTION SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT THE CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH
ADOPTED LAST MONTH, THAT IS VERY CLEAR IN OPPOSITION OF URANIUM
MINING, AND LIFTING OF THE NORA TORM, ANDá-- MORATORIUM, AND
THAT NORFOLK ALSO PROVIDE AN UPDATED STATEMENT IN OUR
LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY PACKAGE FOR THE 2013 GENERAL ASSEMBLY
SESSION. AND I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER
ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> I JUST WANTED TO ASK THIS.
THIS IS DISCUSSED AT THE HRPDC MEETING LAST WEEK, A
PRESENTATION WAS MADE WITH THE FINDINGS FROM THE RESULTS, AND
THERE WERE SOME OPPOSITION TO THE FINDINGS.
VIRGINIA BEACH HAS ASKED HRPDC TO TAKE A POSITION ON THIS AND
IT'S GOING TO BE VOTED ON AT THE SEPTEMBER EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE
MEETING, AND I THINK VIRGINIA BEACH APPRECIATES OUR SUPPORTá--
>> THEY WROTE A LETTER TO US SOME TIME AGO ASKING US TO ADOPT
IT AND THE APPROPRIATE MORATORIUM, WE HAVE MORE
CITIZENS JOINED IN IT. >> AND I THINK CHESAPEAKE IS
CONSIDERING IT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE
AS QUICK AS WHAT WE'RE DOING BECAUSE THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME
OPPOSITION FROM CHESAPEAKE AS WELL.
>> GREAT. >> AND THAT WILL BE BEFORE YOU
TONIGHT. THE RESOLUTION, YES.
>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS PRESENTATION IS TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN UPDATE
ON THE DEVELOPMENTS RELATED TO THE SOUTHEASTERN PUBLIC SERVICE
AUTHORITY AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR POLICY
DIRECTION FOR FUTURE MANAGEMENT OF NORFOLK'S SOLID WASTE
DISPOSAL. BACKGROUND ON SPSA AS A REMINDER
AS FAR AS THE ORGANIZATION, HOW IT OPERATES AND HOW ITS
STRUCTURED. THERE ARE EIGHT MEMBER
LOCALITIES. THE SEVEN SOUTHSIDE CITIES AND
THEN THE COUNTIES AND CITY OF FRANKLIN THAT ARE DIRECTLY TO
THE WEST OF SUFFOLK. THAT THE USER AGREEMENTS THAT WE
EACH OPERATE AND CONTRACT WITH SPSA FOR DISPOSAL OF OUR SOLID
WASTE ARE SET TO EXPIRE IN 2018, AND AT THAT POINT, SPSA AS AN
AUTHORITY WILL BE DEBT-FREE DUE TO THE WAY THAT THE USER
AGREEMENTS WERE SET UP AND OUR TIPPING FEES THAT WE'VE BEEN
PAYING FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW, BUT ALSO THAT IT WILL HAVE
ASSETS THAT HAVE BEEN PAID FOR DURING ITS CURRENT INCEPTION
THAT INCLUDE A REGIONAL LANDFILL, TRANSFER STATIONS, AND
A TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM OF ASSETS AND VEHICLES.
AS A REMINDER, WE ALSO HAD RECENT, OVER THE PAST DECADE,
CHANGES IN SOME OF THE GOVERNANCE WHICH INCLUDED THE
MAKE-UP OF THE BOARD AND AS IT STANDS NOW, IT'S SIMILAR TO THE
HRT BOARD THAT'S GETTING READY TO CHANGE IN THAT THE GOVERNOR
APPOINTS ONE PERSON FROM EACH MEMBER LOCALITY AND THEN EACH
MEMBER LOCALITY HAS ONE REPRESENTATIVE, AND THIS YEAR,
YOU'VE APPOINTED ME AS YOUR REPRESENTATIVE TO SERVE ON THAT
BOARD. THIS PAST YEAR, THROUGH THE
CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICERS GROUP, WHICH IS CITY MANAGERS
AND COUNTY SUPERVISORS THAT MEET FOLLOWING EACH MONTHLY PDC AND
TPO MEETING, ENGAGE WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF THE PDCáSDS
ENGINEERING HERE IN NORFOLK TO EVALUATE POTENTIAL SCENARIOS FOR
MANAGING SOLID WASTE IN THE REGION AFTER 2018.
THE SCOPE OF THE STUDY LOOKED AT INSTITUTIONAL AND ORGANIZATIONAL
ALTERNATIVES, WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS FOR HOW YOU MANAGE AS A
REGION YOUR SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL.
TECHNOLOGIES, BOTH CURRENT AND EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES.
DISPOSAL OPTIONS. SHORT AND LONG-TERM STRATEGIES
AND COSTS, AND THEN THE COST IMPLICATIONS OF DIFFERENT MODELS
OF BOTH DISPOSAL AND ORGANIZATIONAL MAKE-UP AS THEY
WOULD IMPACT NORFOLK. THEY ALSO SPECIFICALLY LOOKED AT
DISPOSAL ALTERNATIVES THAT ARE THE EASTERN DISPOSAL OPTION FOR
SOUTHEASTERN VIRGINIA AND WHAT THE CITY OF VIRGINIA BEACH
LOCALITY WOULD DO BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY DO HAVE A LANDFILL
WITHIN THEIR BOUNDARIES. SO WHAT ALTERNATIVES DO WE HAVE
HERE IN THE REGION? WHAT WE HAVE IN THE REGION IS
TWO OPTIONS. YOU CAN LANDFILL IT AND THAT IS,
OF COURSE, ONE ASSET THAT SPSA HAS.
THAT'S THE LEAST EXPENSIVE DOSE POSE SAL OPTION.
IF YOU TAKE ALL OF YOUR SOLID WASTE AND PUT IT STRAIGHT INTO
THE LANDFILL, WET GARBAGE. THE SPSA IS HAS THE POTENTIAL
FOR LIMITING THE CAPACITY OF YOUR LANDFILL BECAUSE YOU'RE
FILLING THE LAND AT A MORE RAPID RATE.
WE ALSO HAVE HERE IN THE REGION A WASTE ENERGY PLANT.
IT'S A MORE EXPENSIVE OPTION FOR DISPOSAL, BUT IT IS
ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND AND IT EXPANDS THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE
EXISTING LANDFILL BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT PUTTING THAT SOLID WASTE
DIRECTLY INTO THE LANDFILL AS IT'S PICKED UP AT THE CURB.
RATHER, YOU'RE PUTTING ASH INTO THE LANDFILL.
TO GIVE YOU SOME VISUAL MARCUS JONES OF HOW SOLID WASTE IS
COLLECTá-- VISUAL IMAGE OF HOW SOLID WASTE IS COLLECTED HERE IN
THE LOCALITY. MEMBERS OF SPSA COLLECT IT AT
CURB SIDE AND IF IT'S RECYCLING OR YARD WASTE, IT EITHER GOES TO
A RECYCLING FACILITY OR YOU HAVE COMPOSTING FACILITIES.
IF IT IS ACTUAL GARBAGE, SOLID WASTE, THEN IT GOES FIRST TO
TRANSFER CENTER AND THEN DEPENDING ON THE MIX OF WHAT IS
IN THAT WASTE, IS GOES TO THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT, WHICH IS
OVER IN PORTSMOUTH, OR SOME PORTIONS GO TO THE LANDFILL.
WHAT GOES TO THE WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT EITHER COMES OUT IN THE
FORM OF ENERGY THAT THEY SELL. THE NAVY IS THE PRIMARY CUSTOMER
FOR WASTE TO ENERGY PLANT, OR IT COMES OUT IN ASH WHICH IS THEN
SENT TO THE LANDFILL. THE ASH IS COMPACTED AND THAT'S
WHY IT GIVES YOU MORE LIFE CYCLE, LIFE SPAN CAPACITY FOR
YOUR LANDFILL THERE ARE ALSO SOME ELEMENTS THAT COME INTO THE
WASTE-TO-ENERGY THAT ARE DEEMED RECYCLABLE AND SO THEY'RE ALSO
SENT FOR RECYCLING. AT THE LANDFILL, OBVIOUSLY,
YOU'RE FILLING THE LANDFILL AND THEN YOU DO HAVE THE ABILITY FOR
SOME GASES TO BE SOLD AS ENERGY OUT OF THE LANDFILL AS WELL.
WHAT DO WE HAVE IN OUR MARKETPLACE?
WHO ARE THE OWNERS AND WHO HAVE THE ASSETS?
SPSA THAT WE'RE A MEMBER OF, WE HAVE A LANDFILL IN SUFFOLK.
VIRGINIA BEACH HAS A LANDFILL, AND THEN WASTE MANAGEMENT OR
SUBSIDIARY OF WASTE MANAGEMENT HAVE THE OTHER ALTERNATIVES.
THERE'S OVER IN NEWPORT NEWS THE BETHEL LANDFILL, OUT IN WAVERLY
THE ATLANTIC LANDFILL, AND, OF COURSE, OVER IN PORTSMOUTH, THE
WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANT. GIVES YOU SOME GEOGRAPHIC
UNDERSTANDING FOR AT LEAST THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE
COMMONWEALTH, WHERE OTHER FACILITIES ARE.
ONES I MENTIONED HERE, OF COURSE, ARE WITHIN A 25-MILE
RADIUS FROM WHERE WE ARE AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS OUT
IN THE CENTRAL AND WESTERN PART OF THE COMMONWEALTH.
SO WHAT OUTCOMES BEST SERVE NORFOLK ACCORDING TO THE SDS
FINDINGS? IT INDICATING THAT A CONTINUANCE
OF SPSA OR AN SPSA-LIKE ORGANIZATION VERSUS A
NORFOLK-ONLY CONTRACT, WHETHER THAT BE WITH A PRIVATE ENTITY OR
OTHERWISE, IS THE BEST OPTION. THE REASONS BEING THAT IF WE DID
CONTRACT-ONLY INá-- A NORFOLK-ONLY CONTRACT, OUR
OPTIONS FOR CONTRACTING WITHIN THE REGION ARE PROVIDED BY ONE
PRIVATE CONTRACTOR, SO ESSENTIALLY THERE'S LITTLE ROOM
FOR NEGOTIATIONS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING FOR MARKETPLACE OPTIONS.
THEY OWN THE LANDFILLS THAT ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY AND THEY OWN
THE WASTE-TO-ENERGY PLANT. TRANSPORTATION COSTS FOR OUT OF
OUR AREA ARE EXPENSIVE. IN SPSA, WE HAVE DEBT-FREE
ASSETS POST 2018 ALREADY INVESTED IN BY OUR LOCALITIES,
BY OUR RATE PAYERS AND OUR REGIONAL LANDFILL HAS
SIGNIFICANT DISPOSAL CAPACITY, ESPECIALLY WHEN COUPLED WITH THE
WASTE-TO-ENERGY OPTION. SOME INDICATION OF COSTS TO GIVE
YOU A SENSE OF WHERE WE ARE NOW, WHERE WE COULD BE GOING, CURRENT
TIPPING FEE AS ADOPTED IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET IS $120 PER TON.
POST 2018, ONCE THAT DEBT IS RELIEVED, AND WITH A
WASTE-TO-ENERGY COMBINATION, THEN ITS ESTIMATED TO BE AROUND
$40 A TON. AND WHAT THAT GIVES US IN OUR
LANDFILL, IF YOU'RE STILL USING WASTE-TO-ENERGY, IS
APPROXIMATELY 90 YEARS OF CAPACITY IN THE SUFFOLK
LANDFILL. IF WE USE LANDFILL ONLY, THE FEE
WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER. HOWEVER, YOU HAVE THE LIFE SPAN
OF THE LANDFILL THAT WILL END SHORTLY AND THEN YOU HAVE THE
COST OF PERMITTING AND ACQUISITION OF LAND OR THE
NECESSITY TO CONTRACT PRIVATELY IF THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE.
SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING SOME PRINCIPLES FOR ANY FUTURE
REGIONAL SOLID WASTE AGREEMENT IN RESPONSE TO THIS SDS
RECOMMENDATION. THEY WOULD INCLUDE THAT NORFOLK
MUST HAVE AN ACCOUNTABLE LEVEL OF LOCAL CONTROL OVER THE
GOVERNANCE OF A REGIONAL ENTITY. I BELIEVE WE'VE HAD LESSONS
LEARNED OVER THE LAST COUPLE DECADES ABOUT SPSA AS AN
ORGANIZATION. IT IS IN A BETTER PLACE, BUT WE
ALSO WOULD HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE LOCALITY FOR THINGS TO
BE CONSIDERED SUCH AS WEIGHTED VOTING AND OTHER THINGS AS THAT
NATURE. WE RECOMMEND THAT WE MUST
PRESENT MINIMAL FINANCIAL RISK EXPOSURE FOR NORFOLK.
MEMBERS SHOULD NEGOTIATE FOR DISPOSAL AT WASTE-TO-ENERGY.
IT SEEMS TO MAKE GOOD SENSE TO KEEPS THAT IN THE MIX FOR OUR
DISPOSAL OPTIONS. THAT COLLECTIVELY AS MEMBERS, WE
SHOULDá-- MEMBERS, WE SHOULD SHARE IN ALL THE COSTS OF THE
OPERATIONS AND THAT RELATES TO PERMITS FOR FUTURE CELL
DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE CURRENTLY THREE
POTENTIAL CELLS AVAILABLE OUT OF THE NINE THAT WERE ORIGINALLY
CONTEMPLATED AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THAT OPERATIONAL
COSTS BE SUPPORTED BY EQUAL TIPPING FEES AMONGST ALL MEMBER
LOCALITIES. WE WOULD ENVISION THAT SPSA
COULD CONTINUE TO OPERATE THE OPERATIONS OF THIS WITH THE
TRANSPORTATION, WITH THE TRANSFER STATIONS, CONTRACTING
WASTE-TO-ENERGY, AND LANDFILL OPERATIONS.
INCUMBENT UPON THAT WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD ESTABLISH
PERFORMANCE AND SERVICE EXPECTATIONS FOR ALL THE
SPSA-PROVIDED SERVICES AND THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER
UNDERSTANDING AND CLARITY FOR FUTURE OBLIGATION RIERPSS TO
UNDERSTAND WHATá-- REQUIREMENTS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR
LIABILITIES ARE AS RELATED TO CLOSURE, RELATED TO LANDFILL AND
PERMITTING FOR THAT FUTURE EXPANSION WITHIN THE LANDFILL.
SO THIS EVENING, WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR AUTHORIZATION FOR THE
CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF SPSA SO SEEK A
SOLUTION TO CONTINUE TO CAPITALIZE ON SPSA ASSETS,
CONTINUE A NUCH WALE BENEFICIAL AND FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WASTE
DISPOSAL SYSTEM. THE TIMELINE, BECAUSE WE HAVE
HAD SOME INDICATION FROM THE OTHER MANAGERS, COUNTY
ADMINISTRATORS, IS THAT WE WOULD ENVISION THAT WE COULD DEVELOP A
CONSENSUS AND A LETTER OF INTENT BY THIS WINTER WITH POTENTIAL
FOR THE DRAFTING OF A NEW AGREEMENT WITH 2018 BEGINNING,
AND THEN JOINT USER AGREEMENTS ACROSS ALL MEMBERS WITH AN
EFFECTIVE DATE TO BE DETERMINED, BUT DEFINITELY NO LATER THAN THE
SUNSET OF JANUARY 2018. >> SUFFOLKá-- I DON'T KNOW,
YOU'RE SORT OF FAVORITE SONS IN THE PRESENT DEAL.
TODAY, THEY WOULD LIKE SPSA SO STAY THE WAY IT IS UNTIL 2018.
120 TO 40 MAKES SO MUCH SENSE AT LEAST FROM THE CITY OF NORFOLK'S
POSITION, WHETHER YOU'RE PUSHING AS HARD AS WE CAN FOR A NEW
AGREEMENT, IS THERE SOME REASON WE SHOULDN'T GET ONE SOONER THAN
2018 OR IS IT JUST BECAUSE SUFFOLK'S POSITION WHAT THEY GET
AS A HOST LOCALITY, THAT THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT TIPPING FEE?
ARE THEY NOT AGREEABLE TO MOVING SO QUICKLY.
>> MORE QUICKLY? >> YES.
>> I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS A GREAT HURDLE TO GET OVER
PRE-2018. WITH THEIR EXISTING USER
AGREEMENTS. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT
TO EXPLORE. [ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ]
SO THAT THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT ACCELERATED OVER 2018.
>> THAT'S SOMETHING WEá-- WE'VE HADá--
>> IT JUST SEEMS TO ME, THE MORE ATTENTION THIS GETS, THE MORE
QUICKLY WE CAN MOVE TO EITHER DOING SOMETHING TOGETHER ORá--
>> BEFORE 2018? >> OR IF WE'RE BETTER OFF WITH
THE CITY OF NORFOLK FACILITY. >> THERE'S GREAT WILLINGNESS
AMONGST THE LOCALITIES TO GET THIS GOING.
[ INAUDIBLE COMMENTS ] >> I BELIEVE SO.
>> A YEAR AGO, MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WE RECEIVED A
PRESENTATION THAT WAS SHOWING FUTURE COSTS AND I BELIEVE THE
GRAPH SHOWED THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN INCREASE IN
TIPPING FEES, SO THAT PRESENTATION IS NO LONGER VALID
BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE OTHER CHANGES?
THERE WAS GOING TO BE A SLIGHTá-- AND THEN IT WAS GOING
TO COME BACK DOWN. DOES ANYBODY ELSE REMEMBER THAT
PRESENTATION? >> YES.
>> FREE-2018. >> I THINK IT WAS PRE, YEAH.
>> WE'VE ALREADY EXPERIENCED THAT.
>> STANLEY, YOU DID THAT PRESENTATION.
>> THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER CHANGES THAT WENT INTO EFFECT AND I
BELIEVE THAT THAT PRESENTATION IS STILL VALID FOR FUTURE.
>> OKAY. >> OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE ANNUAL
BUDGET IMPACTS, BUT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THE DECLINE IN
THE TIPPING FEE LIKE WE EXPERIENCED THIS YEAR.
>> AND HOW DOES THAT SAVINGS GET PASSED DOWN TO OUR CUSTOMERS AND
THEIR BILL? >> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY AT THE
POINT WHEN WE'LL HAVE A RECONSIDERATION FOR WHAT THE FEE
STRUCTURE IS. >> BUT HOPEFULLY WHEN WE START
OFF, COUNCILMAN SMIGIEL, IF YOU AGREE, WELD LIKE TO HAVE A
SOULá-- WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SOLID WASTE COMPONENT THAT'S
SUPPORTING AND IN A LOT OF THINGS WE DO, WE AREN'T THERE.
IF WE COULD BE SELF SUPPORTING, THEN, OF COURSE, THERE'S
ADDITIONAL REVENUE AND WE WOULD ACCRUE THAT BACK TOá-- WE START
OFF WITH THEá-- >> AND HOW IS RECYCLING TIED IN
WITH ALL OF THIS? WOULD THAT ALWAYS BE SEPARATE OR
WILL THE FUTURE CONTRACT BE THE SAMEá-- I MEAN, WILL WE WANT A
COMPANY THAT DOES BOTH OR WOULD IT BE SEPARATE?
>> SO RECYCLING DISPOSAL TYPICALLY IS DONE BY PRIVATE
SECTOR IN THE REGION. >> RIGHT.
>> AND, YEAH, OUR ANALYSIS OF THE COLLECTION OF RECYCLING IS
MOVEMENT TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, A DETERMINATION WE MADE, RECYCLING
COLLECTION IN IN FISCAL YEAR ACTUALLY IS MOVING TOWARDS
PRIVATE CONTRACTING, SO WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT
ALTERNATIVE, BUT WE BELIEVE THAT FOR THAT SERVICE, THAT'S THE
BESTá-- >> AND WHAT HAPPENS ISá-- SO
THERE'S NO COMPANY OUT THERE DOING BOTH, BASICALLY IN THE
ONES THAT ARE IN THE AREA, THEY'RE SEPARATEá-- THEY'RE THE
ONLY ONES THAT ARE DOING THE RECYCLING?
>> RIGHT. THEY'RE STARTING TO SEE INDUSTRY
TRENDS AND SHIFTS IN THE MARKET AND THE CAPACITY OF SOME OF THE
PRIVATE SECTOR TO DO BOTH. >> GOOD, OKAY.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
THANKS, RON. >> THANK YOU.
>> ANYTHING ELSE, MR.áMANAGER? >> THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.
>> OKAY. >> LET ME ASK YOU ONE QUESTION.
WE SAT HERE IN ONE OF OUR COMMITTEES AND LISTENED TO THESE
TWO PRESENTATIONS TWO WEEKS AGO, WHATEVER, AND I KNOW THE OTHER
COMMITTEES WERE HERE, AND DURING OUR RETREAT, CAN WE LOOK AT THE
CONCEPT OF MAYBE HAVING THEM ALL COMING AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF
EARLY, AND EVERYBODY HEARING IT ONCE RATHER THANá-- YOU HEAR
THEM, TWO WEEKS LATER YOU HEAR THEM AGAIN, AND THEN THEIR
COMMITTEEá-- I'M JUST, I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS SOMETIMES I'D LIKE
TO AT LEAST LOOK AT WHETHER WEá--
>> EVERY EVENING MEETING, EVERYBODY COME IN AT 4:00, AND,
YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE A COMMITTEE OF A WHOLE AND WE COULD ALL HEAR
THE PRESENTATION AND THEN MAYBE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO TWO
PRESENTATIONS. >> WE'RE ALL HERE TODAY.
>> SURE. YOU WILL HEAR ALL ABOUT EAGLES
AND THENá-- [áALL TALKING AT ONCEá]
>> WE HAVEN'T EVEN HEARD ABOUT CHICKENS YET.
WE NEED TO HEAR ABOUT CHICKENS. >> I THINK IT GOAT BACK TO THE
PURPOSEá-- GOES BACK TO THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMITTEES AND
WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THEM BECAUSE I ALWAYS THOUGHT THE
PURPOSE OF THE COMMITTEE WAS FOR US TO HAVE HEALTHY DISCUSSION
AND BRING ISSUES TO LIGHT AND THEN GET PRESENTATIONS AND, YOU
KNOW, THE CHIEFá-- FIRE CHIEF TODAY DID A PRESENTATION AND WE
GOT THE WHOLE HISTORICAL BACKGROUND OF THE FIRE
DEPARTMENT, WHICH I'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE
CAME FROM, AND THAT'S GREAT, BUT REALLY, IT WAS THE LAST FIVE
MINUTES OF THE PRESENTATION WHICH IS WHERE WE WANTED TO GO
TO, WHICH IS BUILDING NEW FIRE STATIONS AND TALKING ABOUT, YOU
KNOW, WHERE WE GO BUDGETARY-WISE.
I THINK THERE WAS MORE CONVERSATION IN THAT LAST PERIOD
THAN THERE WAS DURING THATá-- >> I WOULD TOTALLY AGREE.
I REALLY WOULD. I'M KIND OF FLUMMOXED BY THE
WHOLE PRESENTATION TODAY ON FIRE AND I FELT LIKEá-- IS THAT A
WORD? >> FLUMMOXED.
>> I WAS REALLY CONFUSED. >> SHE WAS OUR SCHOOL BOARD
CHAIRMAN. >> AND TO ME, IF THERE WAS A
CONCEPT, AND I'M SURE THERE WAS, ON COMMITTEES, IT WAS THE IDEA
THAT AN IDEA WAS VETTED AND THEN THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE
SUPPOSED TO TWEAK IT AND SAY THIS COULD BE A PROBLEM, WHY
DON'T YOU LOOK AT THIS, AND THEN IT WOULD BE REVAMPED AND BROUGHT
TO COUNCIL AFTER THOSE CITE TEAKS, BUT NOW ITá-- CRITIQUES,
BUT NOW IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT JUST RUNS TWICE.
AND I'M NOT SHOPPING, BUT I COULD.
>> BUT YOU COULD DO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND FINANCE AND
THEN, WHAT'S THE OTHER COMMITTEE THAT WE'RE ON?
>> TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
>> WE COULD DO THAT ONE WEEK AND THE NEXT WEEKá-- TAKE AN HOUR
AND TRY TO, YOU KNOWá-- IF YOU HAVE TO COME IN A HALF HOUR
EARLY TO 3:30 IF YOU REALLY GOT SOMETHING, BUT IF YOU TOOK AN
HOUR OR HOUR AND 15 MINUTES TO TRY TO GET ALL OF THAT DONE AND
EVERYBODY COULD COME, WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE SAME COMMITTEE.
I MEAN, THE SAME COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP, BUT IF YOU JUST HAD
IT FOR AN HOUR, EVERYBODY COULD COME AND LISTEN TO THIS AND THEN
TOMMY, THE NEXT WEEK YOU GUYS CAN SPEND YOUR HOUR BEFORE THE
NIGHT MEETING AND WE COULD ALL COME.
OR WE CAN JUST GET RID OF THE COMMITTEES AND JUST ALL COME.
>> WE CAN ALL COME. >> AND I WOULD COME ANYWAY.
I MEAN, I'D BE GLAD TOá-- IF WE GOT STARTED ATá--
>> IF YOU HEAR IT AT 4:00, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR IT AGAIN IN
TWO WEEKS. WE HEARD THESE TWO WEEKS AGO,
WHICH WERE GREAT AND INFORMATIVE, BUT FOUR OF US
SHOULDN'T HEAR IT. >> I'D LIKE THE COMMITTEE TO BE
MORE OF A HEALTHY CONVERSATION, JUST COUNCIL MEMBERSá--
>> CHANGING THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT NOW.
>> RIGHT. THE COMMITTEE WE'RE ON, THEY'RE
KIND OF REDUNDANT. >> WE VERY RARELY MAKE THE
AGENDA ON COMMITTEE MEETINGS. WE JUST KIND OF SIT HERE AND
WE'RE TOLD WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BEá-- WHAT'S PRESENTED, AND IT
SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD BE A LITTLE MORE INTERACTION.
I MEAN, TOMMY WAS RIGHT. TODAY THE BUDGETARY ISSUE ABOUT
THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS A VERY STRONG, VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION.
>> AND IT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THAT PRESENTATION.
>> YES, THAT WAS WHAT WAS IMPORTANT AND THEN OUR
DISCUSSION ON THE EAGLE-CAM IS AN IMPORTANT ONE FOR YOU ALL TO
KNOW ABOUT, SO IT SEEMS THAT WE'RE BEINGá--
>> AND THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION PRESENTED ABOUT
EAGLES AND SOME INTERESTING PHOTOS PRESENTED, SOá--
>> MAYBE WE JUST TALK ABOUT IT, MAYBE WE REVAMP HOW THEá-- MAYBE
WE ALL MEET TOGETHER, BUT I THINK TO BE PRESENTED TWO WEEKS
LATER SHOULD, AGAINá-- >> WE'RE ALWAYS ASKED, I MEAN
ANNE ALWAYS ASKS US WHAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT, SO WE ARE ASKED
THAT. I THINK, THOUGH, MAYBE THERE'S
NOT ENOUGHá-- WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ENOUGH TO CREATE A WHOLE,
YOU KNOW, COUPLE MEETINGS WORTH OF STUFF, SO WE'RE GETTING
PRESENTATIONS ON THINGS MORE OF AN EDUCATIONAL TYPE THING THAN
IT ISá-- >> WE GOT ONE IN FINANCE THE
OTHER DAY ON WHAT THE FINANCE POLICIES OF THE CITY, WE ASKED A
FEW QUESTIONS. I WOULD MUCH PREFER JUST
STARTING THE MEETINGS AT 4:00 AND YOU MAKING THE PRESENTATION
AND THENá-- I MEAN BECAUSE I HEARD TERRI AND TONL MI SAYá-- I
WAS KIDDING ABOUT THE CHICKENS, AND THEY SAID, WELL, WHERE'S THE
ORDINANCE? AND I'M LIKE, WELL, THE REST OF
US HAVEN'T SEEN THE PRESENTATION ON CHICKENS.
I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP A LOT OF TIME ON CHICKENS, BUT I MEANá--
>> IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. >> YOU COULD HAVEá-- BUT YOU ALL
HAVE SEEN IT TWO OR THREE TIMES NOW, RIGHT?
I MEAN A COUPLE OF TIMES? >> I THINK WE'VE HAD ONE
PRESENTATION. >> THAT GOES BACK TO YOU LISTEN
TO IT AGAIN WHILE WEá-- >> NO, WE'VE ASKED FOR ITá-- I
MEAN WE'VE GOTá-- I MEAN, IT WAS VETTED THROUGH THE COMMITTEE AND
SO NOW IT'S JUST A MATTER OF IT BEING PRESENTED TO THE FULL
COUNCIL AND AN ORDINANCE. >> AND WE DID GO BACK AND FORTH
WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY E-MAIL, BUT NOT TOO MUCH IN
PERSON. >> WE SAID AT THE RETREAT THAT
WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS AS WELL AS HOW WE CONDUCT
OURSELVES AT THE WORK SESSIONS, BECAUSE IN THE WORK SESSION,
IT'S JUST LIKE THIS. INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY WORKING,
THERE'S IMPORTANT TOPICSá-- >> WE HAVEN'T HAD A WORK
SESSION. >> BUT I MEAN WE TALKED ABOUT
THAT AND WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THAT IN RETREAT, HOW WE WOULD
APPROACH THE WORK SESSIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE NO DIFFERENT
THAN COMING IN AND GETTING A PRESENTATION, JUST LIKE WE DO
HERE. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS WE DON'T
GO OUT THERE TO THE FORMAL SESSION, AND A LOT OF TIMES WE
RUN OUT OF TIME BECAUSE THERE'S ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH
THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT TO GET THEIR POINT OR OPINION
ACROSS AND WE RUN OUT OF TIME, SO YOU TRY TO BE RESPECTFUL OF
THEIR OPINION, BUT WE NEVER GET ANY TRUE RESOLVE OUT OF IT AND
WE GO OUT THERE AND WE VOTE. BUT IN THE WORK SESSION, I
THOUGHT WE WOULD ACTUALLY TACKLE THOSE BIG ISSUES AND HAVE
RESOLVE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEREAS WE EITHER AGREE OR
DISAGREE, BUT WE AT LEAST UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, ALL THE
PARAMETERS AROUND THE DECISION THAT WE'RE MAKING AT THE TIME.
>> AND WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE. WE'LL DO WHAT THE COUNCIL WOULD
LIKE FOR US TO DO, BUT WE'LLá-- I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS STATED,
BUT IT PHILOSOPHY WAS, THE COMMITTEES WOULD BE WHERE YOU
IRON STUFF OUT AND THERE WOULD BE CORE PEOPLE AT THE COMMITTEE,
CORE COUNCIL MEMBERS, SO IF THERE'S SOME ISSUES, YOU KEEP IT
IN COMMITTEE UNTIL YOU GET IT RIGHT AND THEN YOU BRING IT TO
THE INFORMAL AND THEN THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY AFTER THAT TO VOTE
ON IT, BUT AGAIN, IF IT'S THIS PROCESS WHERE FOUR PEOPLE ARE
HAVING TO HEAR SOMETHING TWICE, I CAN SEE WHERE THAT BECOMES A
PROBLEM. >> WELL, LIKE THE URANIUM THING.
THAT COULD BEá-- COME TO EVERYBODY AT ONE TIME.
>> RIGHT. >> BUT IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE
THAT NEEDED WORKING OUTá-- WE KEEPá-- I'M NOTá-- I'M JUST
SAYING LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. I JUST THINK WHEN SOMEBODY IS
REPORTING DIRECTLY TO US, WHATEVER IT IS, THAT COULD BE
REPORTED TO EVERYBODY. THAT COULD HAVE COME TO
EVERYBODY, WHICH IS IMPORTANT AND WE NEEDED IT, BUT THEN STAFF
HAS TO BE HERE TWICE. >> AND JUST TO BE HONEST WITH
IT, SOMETIMES IN COMMITTEES, THINGS DEVELOP A HEAD OF STEAM
THAT COMMITTEE MEMBERS THINK WE SHOULD BE BEHIND IT AND MAYBE
THE REST OF US DON'T. I THINK IF YOUá-- WHAT WAS THE
ISSUE THAT WE HADá-- THE ONE YOU KEEP MENTIONING.
>> THE COAL-FIRED PLANT. >> THE COAL-FIRED THINGS.
IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO A FEW OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND TO
SOME IT WASN'T. BUT IT PICKED UP A FULL HEAD OF
STEAMá-- I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S NOT IMPORTANT.
>> YOU'RE GETTING LETTERS. YOU'RE GETTING LETTERS BACK
THERE. >> IT'S REAL IMPORTANT.
>> BUT THIS IS THE POSITION AND WHEN SOME OF US FELTá-- AND I'M
NOT EVEN GOING TO LOOK AT YOU. I MEANá--
>> I THINK AIR IS IMPORTANT, OTHERS DON'T.
>> BUT IF WE WERE ALL OF A CERTAINá-- IN ON THE DISCUSSION,
I THINK IT WOULD MAKE FOR A HEALTHIER DECISION.
>> I MEAN, I'VE ALWAYS ASSUMED THE POINT OF THE COMMITTEES TO
MAKE POLICY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
IT WAS TO RECOMMEND POLICY, TO TAKE AN IDEA THAT MIGHT BE
DISCUSSED OF A COUNCIL CONCERN AND IT GOES BACK TO THE
COMMITTEE AND IT'S VETTED THROUGH THAT.
I THINK THE ANIMAL BOARD IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.
I MEAN, THAT REALLY CAME FROM CITIZENS WHO BROUGHT IT TO OUR
ATTENTION AND WE SPENT A YEAR ON THIS WE'VE GONE THROUGH IT FOR A
YEAR AND WE FINALLY HIT A POINT AND IT'S STILL CONTROVERSIAL,
BUT BECAUSE OF THAT, WE'RE MAKING A CHANGE IN POLICY
POSSIBLY. THERE'S A NEW BOARD THAT'S GOING
TO RECOMMEND CHANGES. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THE POINT
OF THOSE COMMITTEES WERE. >> SOME OF US COME TO IT LATER
THAN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING ON IT.
WE HAVE OUR OWN OPINIONS ANDá-- >> IT ALSO MAY BE THE NATURE OF
THE PARTICULAR COMMITTEES YOU'RE ON.
I THINK ECONOMIC AND FINANCE IS LESS LIKELY TO BRING UP A NEW
ISSUE, IT'S MORE HEAR REPORTS AND WHEREAS, YOU KNOW, WE
GENERATED SOME IDEAS. I KNOW THESE SOUND A LITTLE
STRANGE, BUT WE'VE GOT CHICKENS AND WE'VE GOT ANIMALS ANDá-- AND
WE'VE GOT CLEAN AIR. >> AND WE'LL HAVE EAGLES.
>> EAGLES, YEAH. >> BUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
COULD BE PRIVY TO SOMETHING GOING ON AND BE REALLY INTO IT
THAT YOU MIGHT NOT UNDERSTANDá-- >> OH, ABSOLUTELY, YEAH.
>> OR EVEN AGREE WITH. >> I MEAN THATá--
[áALL SPEAKING AT ONCEá] >> IT'S TIME SENSITIVE, WE
VETTED IT. >> NO, I READ THE MINUTES.
>> THE RESOLUTION? >> THERE WAS ONE THING THAT YOU
GUYS TALKED ABOUT THREE TIMES, WAS IT URBAN OUTFITTERS THAT
WENT THROUGH? >> THERE WAS THREE PRESENTATIONS
IN THAT COMMITTEE THAT THEY HAD HEARD.
>> YES, I REMEMBER THAT. >> WAS IT URBAN?
I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS URBAN. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMETHINGá--
>> I JUST THINK WEá-- >> I THINK IT'S A GOOD TOPIC AND
I WOULD THINK THAT PERHAPS WE CAN EXPAND ON IT AT THE RETREAT.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> THE OTHER THING THAT ANDY
BROUGHT UP, I BROUGHT THAT UP SOME TIME AGO, BUT WITH
DIFFERENT PARAMETERS. YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU AND TOMMY
TAKING FIVE BOARDS AND GOING TO THE MEETING.
THAT'S NOT REALISTIC, YOU KNOW. YOU TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE
BOARDS MEET CERTAIN TIMES, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETS HALF
OF THE DAY, NORFOLK REDEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING MEETS
ALL DAY, AND SO WHAT I HAVE PROPOSED IS THAT WE HAVE STAFF
PEOPLE WHO WOULD ATTEND THESE MEETINGS WHO ARE HERE, WORKING
FROMá-- YOU KNOW, WHO HAS THE TIME TO DO THAT, AND COME BACK
AND GIVE US A REPORT. BUT IF YOU AND TERRI AND TOMMY
WANTS TO, TO TAKE ON THAT ROLE AND GOING TO EVERY BOARD,
EVERYá-- >> DID YOU GAVEL THIS YET?
OR IS HE TALKINGá-- [ LAUGHTER ]
[áALL SPEAKING AT ONCEá] >> THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT.
>> HE DIDN'T GET THE FUNNYá-- >> YOU MIGHT AS WELL GAVEL IT
NOW. >> WAY, WAIT.
HE DIDN'T GET TO DEFEND HIMSELF. [áALL SPEAKING AT ONCEá]
>> I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULD ATTEND CERTAIN OF THESE
MEETINGS. I WENT TO THE ARTS MEETING,
PUBLIC ARTS COMMITTEE. I'VE BEEN TO BOTANICAL GARDEN.
I'M NOT SAYING GO EVERY TIME, BUT I WANT THEIR NOTES.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
>> THAT'S WHY I SAID WE WOULD SEND THE STAFF OVER.
>> ANNE GOES TO PUBLIC ARTS. >> WE DON'T SEND THEM TO UNLESS
THEY'RE CHANGED, WE DON'T SEND THEM TO NORFOLK REDEVELOPMENT
HOUSING AUTHORITY. WE'VE SOMEBODY ON PLANNINGá--
[áALL SPEAKING AT ONCEá] >> ANDY, WE'RE GIVING YOU A
SUPER-WARE, BUDDY. >> I THINK WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT
IS THEY TAKE NOTES AT THEIR MEETING, I WANT THEIR NOTES.
>> WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT IS HOW ATTENDANCE IS TAKEN TOO AT THE
MEETING. I THINK AT EVERY BOARD AND
COMMISSION, IT SHOULD BE MANDATED THAT THEY TAKE
ATTENDANCE AND IT'S REPORTED ON A FORM SO WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING
ON. MAYBE IT'S JUST NOT REPORTED TO
BRECK TO BE ABLE TO PUT IN THAT FORM.
SOME OF THEM WE DON'T HAVE ATTENDANCE FOR UNLESS WE
SPECIFICALLY ASK. >> RIGHT.
>> I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA FOR US TO RECEIVE THE
MINUTES. AND I THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO BE
CONSTANTLY KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS BECAUSE SOME OF THESE
GROUPS MAY HAVE OUTLIVED THEIR USEFULNESS.
WE JUST ROUTINELY DO THAT, WE ROUTINELY FILL THESE BOARDS, AND
YET, MANY OF US MAY NOT EVEN KNOW IF THEY'REá-- WHAT THEY
HAVE ACCOMPLISHED. I MEAN, I THINK WE'RE ALL AWARE
OF SOME OF THE BIGGER BOARDS, BUT SOME OF THESE OTHERS, I
THINK WE WOULD BE HARD-PRESSED TO FIND OUT WHAT THEY HAVE
ACTUALLYá-- WHAT THEIR ROLE IS, AND MANY OF THEM MIGHT FEEL THE
SAME WAY. >> YOU NEED TO MENTION SOME OF
THEá-- >> I DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING.
>> BRECK HAS ONE. WHAT'S THE ONE WE PUT ASIDE AND
PUT ASIDE? >> THE APPEAL ONE?
>> NO. WHAT IS IT, BRECK?
>> WE DON'T APPOINT THAT. >> WE'RE WRESTLING WITH THE
HEALTH SERVICES. >> WE'RE WRESTLING WITH.
>> HISTORIC AND ARCHITECTURAL PRESERVATION.
>> NO, NO, NO, THAT ONE IS AT THE TOP.
[ LAUGHTER ] I KNEW THAT WOULD COME UP.
I DIDN'T WANT TO GET PERSONAL. >> BUT THERE COULD BE BIGGER
ONES WE SHOULD CONTINUE MEETING WITH AND MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO
HAVE AN APPOINTMENT. LIKE PLANNING AND SCHOOL BOARD,
SCHEDULE MORE MEETINGS WITH THEM JOINTLY, BUT THEN THE OTHER ONES
THAT WE ARE NOT RECOGNIZED AS MUCH BY THE PUBLIC, THOSE MAYBE,
ONES THAT COULD BE DIVIDED UP. JUST HAVE COMMUNICATION WITH THE
PERSON WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. >> BUT THERE'S NO REASON I CAN'T
HAVE THE SCHOOL BOARD MINUTES TO ME WHEN THEY'RE DONE.
>> THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR QUITE A WHILE.
>> I WANT THOSE. >> WE'RE GETTING SCHOOL BOARD
MINUTES. >> BUT I WANTá-- THOSE SHOULD BE
COMING TO US. >> THOSE ARE IN OUR DROPBOX.
WE DO GET THOSE. WE SHOULD GET THE OTHER ONES.
AND I ALSO THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO AT LEAST HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S
A LIAISON. >> YEAH, I THINK SO.
>> SO THAT IF YOU DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO GO TO ALL
THE MEEKS, BUT IF THE CHAIRMANá-- ALL THE MEETINGS,
BUT IF THE CHAIRMAN OF RPOS HAD ISSUES THEY WANTED TO US
ADDRESS, WE WOULD BE THE ONES THEY WOULD CALL.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. >> A GOOD EXAMPLE IS SCHOOL
BOARD. LET'S SAY SOMETHING COMES ALONG
AND THEY WANT SOMETHING TO BE BROUGHT TO US.
WELL, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE MANAGER'S OFFICE AND
FRANKLY, THE MANAGER'S OFFICEá-- I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS DONE WITH
THE SCHOOL BOARD, BUT THEY COULD PUT THEM OFF AND I'VE BEEN TOLD
BY A BOARD THAT THEY HAVE BEEN PUT OFF, THEY CAN'T GET A
MEETING. FINE.
IF YOU PICKED UP THE PHONE AND SAID MARCUS, YOU'RE GOING TO
MEET WITH GUY OR GET ANNE TO MEET WITH THEM OR DARRELL, THEN
IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND WE DON'T NEED TO BE IN THAT
POSITION THAT FOR SOME REASON, THEY CAN'T GET INTO THE
MANAGER'S OFFICE AND NEAT WITH THE MANAGER ONLY ONEá-- MEET
WITH THE MANAGER OR ONE OF HIS ASSISTANTS, THAT SHOULDN'T BE
HAPPENING. THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONTACT
YOU, TERRI, AND SAYING WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE NEED ANOTHER
50áMILLION ON THE SCHOOL BOARD NEXT YEAR AND THIS IS WHAT WE
WANT TO DO WITH IT. WE NEED TO BEGIN LOOKING AND
TALKING TO THE ENERGY AND GETTING THAT INFORMATION OVER
THEREá-- TO THE MANAGER AND GETTING THAT INFORMATION OVER
THERE. YEAH, THEY CAN DO IT FROM THE
EVERYDAY WORK SIDE, BUT IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN IT COMES FROM THE
POLITICAL SIDE AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE SEEM TO BE MISSING THE
BOAT ON THAT. >> TO ME, IT'S MORE SO FROM THE
DISCONNECT. THERE'S THAT DISCONNECT.
BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS STRUPG GEL TO UNDERSTANDá-- STRUGGLE TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR GOALS AND VISIONS ARE.
FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, A SCHOOL BOARD STANDPOINT, WE'RE
DRIVING THE TRAIN AND WE'RE HAVING DISCUSSIONS AROUND HERE
THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT, IT DOESN'T FILTER DOWN, NOR DOES IT
FILTER UP. >> RIGHT.
>> THAT'S WHY I SAID WE NEED TO HAVE LIAISONS SO PEOPLE CAN
UNDERSTAND, THEY CAN LOOK AT THESE MEETINGS, BUT THE REALITY
IS THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT OUR POSITION IS ON ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT. >> RIGHT.
>> SO THEY CAN BEGIN TO FORMULATE SOME PLAN, GOALS, AND
OBJECTIVES THAT FILTER DOWN TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SAME THING WITH SCHOOLS. UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S IMPORTANT
TO US, SAME THING WITH NORFOLK REDEVELOPMENT AND HOUSING
AUTHORITY. WE ALL HAVE WARDS, WE ALL HAVE
CHALLENGES WITHIN OUR WARDS, LOOKING AT WHATá-- UNDERSTANDING
WHAT NORFOLK REDEVELOPMENT HOUSING'S MISSION IS, WHAT THE
OBJECTIVES ARE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, HOW DOES THEIR
GOALS AND OBJECTIVES ALIGN WITH OURS.
THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE FOLKS AT OUR MEETINGS
GIVING INFORMATION TO THEM AND VICE VERSA.
THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE DO AS RELATES TO NORFOLK
REDEVELOPMENT HOUSING AUTHORITY IN TERMS OF ACQUISITION AND
DEMOLITION, DUAL SERVICES THAT WE COULD LOOK AT HOW WE COULD
WORK TOGETHER. YOU GO OUT THERE AND YOU SEE
THERE'S CITY LAND, THERE'S NRHA LAND.
NRHA WILL CUT THE GRASS HERE AND LEAVE THE CITY LAND NOT CUT.
THAT'S RIDICULOUS. >> YEAH.
>> AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF SERVICES, A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS
THAT NEED TO BE HAD AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO
CREATE THESE, THESE LINES OF COMMUNICATION THAT WILL HELP US
BE ABLE TO SERVE THE CITIZENS MOREá--
>> AND THE REASON I BROUGHT IT TO THE TABLE, PAUL, I REALLY
DEALT WITH THAT, THE PHILOSOPHICAL ISSUE OF POLICY
GOING DOWN AND COMING UP AND IT WAS WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
THAT ONE PARTICULAR BOARD AND I SAID, WELL, IF OUR POLICY IS X,
I'M NOT GOING TO HAVEá-- I'M THE ELECTED OFFICIAL, VOTE ME OUT,
THAT'S FINE. BUT IF I'M GOING TO EAT IT FOR A
PARTICULAR BOARD, IF I'M GOING TO EAT FOR IT A PARTICULAR
BOARD'S POLICY THAT WE'RE NOT TELLING THEM WHAT WE WANT IT TO
BE, I GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT. IT SHOULD BE COMING FROM THE TOP
DOWN. IT IS A TWO-WAY STREET ON THE
COMMUNICATION ISSUE AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT, BUT NOT
ONLY US GOING THERE AND HEARING WHAT THEY'RE DOING, BUT ALSO
COMMUNICATING OUR COLLECTIVE VISION TO THOSE PARTICULAR
BOARDS. I THINK THAT'S REALLY
SIGNIFICANT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE AT THE
MEETING, BUT LET'S SAY TERRI GETS THE MINUTES OF CSB AND SHE
LOOKS AT IT AND SAYS, WELL, THERE'S AN ISSUE HERE.
THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHE CAN BEGIN FINDING OUT A LITTLE
MORE ABOUT AND THEN SHE CAN COME BACK AND SAY I'VE TALKED ABOUT
THIS AND THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT CSB IS HAVING.
SO THAT REALLYá-- IT'S REALLY A TWO-WAY COMMUNICATION.
IT'S REALLY A RETREAT ISSUE. >> ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL START ON TIME. [áGAVEL BANGINGá]
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