Newsmakers 12/2/2012: Joseph Moran, Bob Plain


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JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT
ELECTIONS WERE OVER, THERE
IS ONE MORE FOR VOTERS TO
DECIDE, AND WHILE YOU MAY
NOT BE CASTING A BALLOT.
YOU MOST CERTAINLY HAVE A
STAKE IN IT.
CENTRAL FALLS RESIDENTS WILL
BE DECIDING AND NEW MAY AREA
AFTER A PUBLIC CORRUPTION
CASE FORCED THE FORMER MAYOR
OUT OF OFFICE.
THE CITY COUNCILMANS THE
HEAVY FAVORITE TO WIN OVER
FORMER POLICE CHIEF JOSEPH
MORAN BUT THE MORAN NAME IS
BIG IN THE LITTLE CITY.
WHEREFORE WINS WILL TAKE
CONTROL OF AN YOU ARE BEEN
SQUARE MILE EMERGING FROM
BANKRUPTCY AND CONSUMING
MORE THAN $40 MALL YEAR OF
YOUR STATE TAX DOLLARS.
OUR GUEST ON THE FIRST HALF
OF "NEWSMAKERS," DEMOCRATIC
CANDIDATE FOR MAJOR OF
CENTRAL FALLS, JOSEPH
MORAN.
THEN WALKING A MILE OR
MOREEN THEIR SHOES.
THE HOMELESS POPULATION IN
RHODE ISLAND IS ON THE RIDE.
SO ONE WRITER DECIDED TO
SPEND 48 HORS ON THE STREETS
OF PROVIDENCE BLOGGING AND
TWEETING HIS EXPERIENCE IN
REAL-TIME AS MOST OF US WERE
CARVING THEIR THANK
THANKSGIVING TURKEYS.
HOMELESS LIKE ME.
A FIRSTHAND ACCOUNT OF LIFE
ON THE STREETS WITH EDITOR
OF RI FUTURE. ORG, BOB
PLAIN.
GOOD MORNING, WELCOME TO
"NEWSMAKERS."
I AM TIM WHITE.
JOINING ME ON THE PANEL IS
WPRI.COM REPORTER TED NESI
AND POLITICAL REPORTER FOR
RHODE ISLAND PUBLIC RADIO,
IAN DONIS.
GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING.
THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A
DEBATE BETWEEN MR. MORE AND
AND HIS OPPONENT BUT THE
CAMPAIGN TURNED US DOWN SO
MR. MORAN IS APPEARING ON
THIS PROGRAM WITHOUT HIS
CHALLENGER.
YO, THANKS FOR COMING.
WE APPRECIATE.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
LET'S START WITH THE PAST.
IF WE COULD.
YOU WERE THE POLICE CHIEF
UNDER THE MAYOR WHO PLEADED
FILL GUILTY TO PUBLIC
CORRUPTION CHARGES AND WILL
BE SENTENCED IN FEBRUARY.
WHY WOULD ANYONE VOTE FOR
SOMEONE WHO HAD ANY TIES TO
THAT ADMINISTRATION?
WELL, I WORKED ON THE
FLOOR ADMINISTRATIONS.
I WORKED UNDER MAYOR SILVER,
UNDER THOSE?
NO, NO.
TALLY, UNDER MAYOR
MATTHEWS.
I WAS AISTING WITH THE
ELECTION WHEN THE WEEK
BEFORE THE ELECTION WHEN THE
MAYOR HAD BEATEN MAYOR
MATTHEWS AND MAYOR ENDED UP
SAYING THAT I DON'T CARE
THAT JOE MORAN IS WORKING
FOR THE MATTHEWS
ADMINISTRATION HELPING HIM
IF I BECOME THE MAYOR I WILL
MAKE.
THE POLICE CHIEF.
BUT IT WAS NOT JUST I WORK
FOR THIS GUY AND I AM THE
RUNNING APARTMENT UNDER
HIM.
YOU TAKAC OFLY CAMPAIGN FOR
CHARLES DID YOU NOT INTO
ABSOLUTELY.
YOU KNOCKED ON DOOR AND SAID
YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR THIS
GUY.
DO YOU THINK THIS
APPROPRIATE?
I THINK WE ALL HAVE A
RATING TO PICK OUR OWN
POLITICAL IN FUNES.
THINK THINK THE SAME PEOPLE
THAT HELPED MAYOR IS NOW
WORKING FOR MY OPPONENT.
BUT THE QUESTION WOULD
BE: WHY?
ISN'T CENTRAL FALLS A A
PLACE THAT NEEDS A CLEAN
SWEEP?
NEW FACE, NEW THINKING, NEW
GOVERNMENT?
THAT NEVER HAPPENED IN RHODE
ISLAND BEFORE.
WELL, THAT CAME UNDER
ADMINISTRATION.
IF YOU LOOK AT MY
ADMINISTRATION ON THE POLICE
CHIEF.
I MEAN, I HAD 1.5 MILLION IN
GRANTS AND APPROPRIATIONS.
WE BOUGHT 26 BRAND NEW
POLICE CARS.
THE OTHER 23 WE HAD GOTTEN
THROUGH GRANTS AND
APRORPATIONS AND I HAD
CONGRESSMAN KENNEDY AT THE
TIME A $350,000
APPROPRIATION THEN A FEW
YEARS LATER ANOTHER $100,000
TO ENHANCE THE EQUIPMENT
THAT WE HAD AT THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT SO IT IS TWO
DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATION
MINE OPINION.
HAS THIS BEEN, I IMAGINE,
IT HAS BAN POLITICAL
CHALLENGE FOR TO YOU HAVE
TIES TO HIM AT ANNUAL.
WELL SHALL IT IS A
CHALLENGE FOR ME BECAUSE
EVERY WITHIN TRIES TO PUT ME
IN THE SAME CATEGORY AND
FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT TO
BREAK THAT ALTHOUGH HE WAS
REASONING THE CITY.
I WAS RUNNING THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
IT IS TWO SEPARATIONS.
ONE THAT HE IS WORKING OFF
CENTRAL FALLS IN A WAS
WORKING OFF ILLINOIS FRIGHT
DIDN'T SPEND TIME AT THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT I USED TO
GO OUT AT 3:00 IN THE
MORNING TO CHECK OUT THE
CITY AND I WOULD BE AT
HOME.
IF I WASN'T AT HOME I WOULD
BE PLAYING BILLION AT MY
DAUGHTER'S.
ONE OF THE MAIN ARGUMENT
IS THAT HE LACKS
EXPERIENCE.
THAT IS A VALID ARGUMENT
GIVEN HOW STATE OVERSIGHT IS
GOING REMAIN IN PLACE FOR
CENTRAL FALLS FOR A NUMBER
IS GOING TO HAVE FOCUS ON
BASIC CITY FACTIONS LIKE
SNOW REMOVELE, FILLING
POTHOLES, ET CETERA?
WELL, THE INEXPERIENCE IS
ANYBODY IS GOING TO BE ABLE
TO COME TO THE CITY RIGHT
NOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO
WORKABLE THE PLAN THAT THEY
HAVE WHICH IN MY OPINION YOU
HAVE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO
WORK WITH.
SO WHEN I AM TACKING ABOUT
WHEN YOU COME IN, YOU HAVE
TO BE INNOVATIVE.
I THINK THE INNOVATION
SHOWED IN THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT WE HAD TO MAKE
THINGS WORK WITH GRANTS,
APPROPRIATIONS AND THINKING
OUTSIDE OF THE BOX AND
UNFORTUNATELY HEAS NOT
SHOWED A LAN THAT HE TENS TO
BRING FORWARD TO THE CITY OF
CENTRAL FALLS.
WHAT IS THE EXPLANATION
IN THE FIRST ROUND WHERE HE
GOT ALMOST 6% OF THE VOTE?
WELL, I HOPE IT HAD TO DO
WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION AND THE CONRETIONAL
ELECTION AND THINGS LIKE
THAT.
BECAUSE USUALLY, NOT THAT
BIG OF A TURNOUT IN THE CITY
OF CENTRAL FALLS.
A LOT MORE PEOPLE IN THE
CITY OF CENTRAL FAMES NEED
TO BE INFORMED ABOUT THE 2%
TAX INCREASE.
FOR INSTANCE, THAT IS
COMING, MY AUPON MEANT WAS
SUPPORTING THAT.
4% EACH YEAR FOR THE NEXT
EYE OF YEARS.
THAT IS PROBLEM ATTIC TO THE
CITY OF CENTRAL FALLS WHEN
THE RESERVIVESHIP COSTS ARE
GOING TO BE COMING TO THE
PEOPLE IN CENTRAL FALLS.
WELL, IF YOU WERE TO BE
ELECTED MAYOR.
THERE WAS LITTLE YOU COULD
DO ABOUT THAT.
THAT IS COMING OUT OF THE
COURTS.
IT US UNITED STATESSER YOU
KNOW.
WELL I THINK WHEN WE WORK
WITH THE TATE.
THE STATE JUST COME IN THE
NEWSPAPER AND THE PROVIDENCE
JOURNAL APPROXIMATELY 7 TO 8
WEEKS AGO SAYING THEY
HAD $115 MILLION SURPLUS.
THE COST.
THE STATE MADE ALL THE
DECISION IN CITY OF CENTRAL
FALSE UNDER RERESERVESHIP.
FIT COSTS $5 MILLION TO TAKE
CARE OF THE COSTS FOR THE
RECEIVESHIP THEN INSTEAD OF
THE STATE
TAKING $115 MILLION.
TAKE $5MILLION.
PEOPLE LISTENING TO ANSWER
WILL GO WAIT A MINUTE.
IT LIVE WHEREVER.
YOU WANT TO GET MOREEN IN NY
FROM THE STATE IN TO CLEN
CENTRAL FALLS WE ARE TACKING
MORE THAN $40 MALL YEAR.
DUNKED INTO THAT CITY.
WELL, THEY DO AS FAR AS
THE SCHOOLS.
THE SCHOOLS.
ABSOLUTELY.
LAST TIME I CHECKED.
THEY ARE STILL TAX DOLLARS.
IT WAS $48 MILLION BACK
IN 2006 THE BUDGET WENT
FROM $11 MILLION IN 91
TO $48 MILLION IN 2006 NOW
ROUGHLY $40 MILLION TODAY.
THE DIFFERENCES THE
OVERSIGHT.
WHERE IS THAT RAIN MONEY
GOING BECAUSE GOING BACK TO
2006 IF YOU HAD $48 MILLION
BUDGET.
A $17MILLION MUNICIPAL
BUDGET.
THAT IS $65 MILLION TO RUN
ONE SQUARE MILE.
WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO BUILD
THE TAX BASE IN CENTRAL
FALLS SO KITE HAVE MORE
ROBUST ECONOMY INTHE FIRST
THING WE HAVE TO DO IS THE
VACANT MILLS THAT WE HAVE.
WE HAVE TO BE INNOVATIVE.
THE FIRST THING LAKE TO DO
IS PUT A LETTER TOGETHER
SHOWING THE DEMO GRAPHIC AND
THE NUMBER ONE IN INCOME PER
HOUSEHOLD.
THE LEAST AMOUNT IN THE
STATE AND NUMBER ONE IN
TEENAGE PREGNANCIES AS FAR
AS ECONOMIC ISSUES AND PUT
THAT ON A LETTER AND SENT IT
OUT TO SEE IF ANYBODY WOULD
BE INTERESTED IN THE CITY TO
INVEST.
IT JUST LOOK THAT BECAUSE I
LOOK PERSONALLY I THOUGHT
THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING
THAN YOU ARE THE BANKRUPTCY
AND I MEAN YOU HAVE TO CUT
YOUR EXPENSES BUT YOU ALSO
HAVE TO BRING IN REVENUES
AND I DON'T THINK THAT WAS
HAPPENING ON THE CURRENT
ADMINISTRATION.
YOU ALSO TALKED HERE
ABOUT PUBLIC-PRIVATE
PARTNERSHIPS, IS A WAY TO
DEAL WITH THE FACT YOU HAVE
LITTLE WRIGGLE ROOM IN TERMS
OF BUDGET.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE
VISION THERE?
SURE.
FOR INSTANCE.
THEY ARE LOOKING TO
PRIVATIZE RUBBISH.
LOOK AT IT PERSONALLY.
THERE IS A WAY WE CAN
POSSIBLY GET TALKS THROUGH
THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND
INDIVIDUALS THAT OWN
PROPERTY WITH FOUR OR MORE
APARTMENTS.
AND HOW I WOULD DO THAT SM
PELL IS THAT IF YOU HAD 200
BUSINESS INCLUDING THE
PEOPLE THAT ON THE HOUSES
FOUR UNIONS AND MORE.
THEY ALL HAVE DUMPSTERS.
IF THEY PAY $1,200 A YEAR IN
DUMPSTER FEES, FIRST THING
WE WOULD DO, OKAY, PAY THE
CITY $1,000.
YOU HAVE TO WORK IT OUT.
OBVIOUSLY WE WORK WITH
NUMBERS THAT GIVES US $200
THOUSAND.
YOU PUT THAN THE BANK.
FIT COSTS $150,000.
S THERE THE FIRST YEAR YOU
BUY YOUR RUBBISH TRUCK AND
KEEP ON THE BANK AND THE
NEXTAR YOU CUT THE PRICE
DOWN.
YOU CHARGE THEM $500 SO YOU
STILL GET 100,000 PLUS THE
50 IN THE BANK WOULD GIVE
YOU $150.
THE THIRD YEAR WOULD YOU BE
ABLE TO GET NUMBER DLA 5R 00
AND GET $100,000.
YOU PUT THAN THE BANK.
THE FOURTH QUEER YOU REPEAT
SO HA YOU DN THE FIRST
YEAR.
WHAT IT WOULD HAVE, THERE
WOULD BE ONE TRUCK IN THE
FIRST YEAR, ONE TRUCK THE
SECOND YEAR, NOTHING IN THE
THIRD YEAR, THE FOURTH YEAR
YOU GET A TRUCK, THE FIFTH
OF FIFTH YEAR YOU GET A
RUCK.
THE SAVINGS FOR THE BUSINESS
COMMUNITY INVESTING WOULD
BE $200 FROM $1,200
TO $1,000 IN THE FIRST
YEAR.
DO THEY SUPPORT NIGHT
ABSOLUTE THERE.
I THY THEY WOULD SUPPORT IT
IF YOU SAT DOWN BE A IRONED
OUT THE NUMBER BECAUSE THE
FIRST YEAR THEY SAVED $200
AUN YEAR.
THE SECOND YEAR THEY
PAY $700.
AND THE FIFTH $700 SO THEY
GOT A SAVINGS OF $3,000 WHEN
YOU TALK ABOUT THAT.
OBVIOUSLY THE TAX GOING UP,
AND ALL THE COSTS THAT ARE
TAKE PLACE YOU KNOW,
WITH $3,000 SAVINGS OVER
FIVE YEARS IS AVERAGE $600 A
YEAR.
BEFORE THE CITY WENT TO
RECEIVERSHIP.
THE MAYOR I LOID YOU TO
COLLECT ANNUAL PENSION
OF $50,000 AND CONTINUING
EARNING $170 MILLION
ANNUALLY.
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAN THE
SAY THAT WAS HURT SOG
BADLY.
WELL, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO
PER SAY BECAUSE WHAT
HAPPENED IS, THEY WOULD HAVE
TO HAVE SOMEBODY AT THE
POLICE CHIEF FIRST OF ALL.
SECOND OF ALL THEY WERE
TRIKING TO CUT THE BENEFITS
THAT WERE COMING STATEWIDE
AS FAR AS THE SICK TIME PAY
AND THAT WAS THE REASON FOR
THAT.
THERE IS TOWN IN THE STATE
OF RHODE ISLAND THAT THE
PAST POLICE CHIEF RETIRED IN
THE STATE AS WELL AS THE
CURRENT POLICE CHIEF
RESTIERED IN THE STATE.
THERE IS 20 NOW THAT CO LOOK
THE PENSION FROM DIFFERENT
PLACES AND THEY WORK IN
THEIR TIMES.
A THAT MAKES IT RIGHT?
NO, NO.
IT AM NOT SAYING IT IS
RIGHT.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH
IT IN MY OPINION.
LET'S TALK ABOUT THE
DIFFENCE BETWEEN THE 20
CHIEFS BECAUSE THEY ARE BY
AND LARGE ARE REQUIRED STATE
TROOPERS THAT ARE, THAT
BECOME, THAT BECAME POLICE
CHIEFS AND PEOPLE MAY EVEN
HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN
INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS A POLICE
CHIEF RETIRED IN THAT
POSITION AND THEN HIRED IN
THAT SAME POSITION.
CAN YOU SEE WHY THAT WOULD
DRIVE PEOPLE BANANAS AT HOME
MOO WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE
PERCEPTION BUT WHAT I AM
TALKING ABOUT.
PERCEPTION, IT IS FACT.
WELL, IT IS SALARY.
YOU COLLECT ON TOP OF A
PENSION AT THE SAME TIME.
WELL, THE CONTRACTS THAT WE
HAD YEARS AGO WHEN I SIGNED
TON BE A POLICE FER.
I GOT ON AT 21 YEARS OLD.
I SERVED THE TIME WE WOULD
NORMALLY SERVE IN THE
CAPACITY OF THE CONTRACT.
ONCE THE CONTRACT EXPIRES.
YOU KNOW?
AT 40-41 YEARS OLD.
I COULD HAVE RETIRED.
WE ACTUALLY GOT A OPINION TY
BECAUSE OF THE BANKRUPTCY.
WE GOT A OPINION TY FOR
RETIRING EARLY.
THAT WAS PART OF THE
CONTRACT.
WHY WOULDN'T YOU SAY.
THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THE
OFFER.
AM GOOD NOW AND I WILL CORE
ELECT MY PENSION WHEN I
RETIRE.
LOOK I SAID BEFORE.
THERE IS ANOTHER TOWN THAT
DONE IT.
I HAD DONE RESEARCH.
I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS
ISSUE WITH IT.
WOULD YOU GIVE THE SAME DEAL
TO YOUR POLICE CHIEF FURY
ELECTED MAYOR?
I WOULD LOOK AT IT TO SEE
IF IT SAVED THE CITY MONEY.
THEY SAVED THE TY MACHINE.
IT HOW SO?
THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO HIRE
ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL ON THE
JOB THEREFORE THEY HAD TO
PAY THE MEDICAL BENEFITS
UNTIL AGE 65 ACCORDING TO
THE CONTRACT TO BEGIN WITH.
SO THERE FOR YOU GOT $17,000
MEDICAL BENEFIT IF THAT IS
WHAT IT IS FOR THE FAMILY
PLAN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO
PAY THAT.
THE CITY ALSO SAVED
MONEY.
YOU TURNED TON THE PENSION
AND JUST COLLECT YOUR
SALARY.
WELL, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN
AS WELL.
OKAY.
MAYOR.
DO YOU SUPPORT THE IDEA
OF MERGING CEN FEDERAL FAMES
WITH ANY NEIGHBORING
COMMUNITIES?
I DON'T NECESSARILY
SUPPORT THE IDEA OF MERGING
THE CITY.
I THINK THE CITY CAN STAND
ON ITS OWN TWO FEET IF WE
HAVE GIVEN THE POTENTIAL? I
DON'T THINK THAT ANYONE CAN
JU JUSTFEATED MONEY TO A
CITY AND NOT EXPECT -- I
THINK IF YOU TALK TO ANY POD
CHIP CITY OF CENTRAL FALLS
WE WANT TO BE SELF SET OF.
I SAY WHEN WERE YOU RUNNING
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT
WAS SEPARATE FROM CITY
HALL.
IT A LOVE PEOPLE WONDER WHY
DID VIT TO GET SO IT GOT
BETTER.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?
AS FAR AS THE CITY'S
FINANCIAL CONDITION.
WELL, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE
FINANCIAL CONDITION EXCEPT I
CAN SPEAK FOR
THE $3.1 MILLION BUDGET THAT
I HANDLED AT THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
I WAS UNDER BUDGET.
YOU ARE CENTRAL FALLS
RESIDENT.
YOU LIVED THERE YOUR WHOLE
LIFE.
WHAT IS YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON
WHY IT HAD TO GET SO BAD
BEFORE THERE IS SOME
GLIMMERS OF HOPE FOR THE
FUTURE? I THINK A FEW YEARS
AGO, THE GOVERNOR AT THE
TIME, THE THEN GOVERNOR,
CUT $2 MILLION OUT OF THE
BUDGET TO BEGIN WITHIN THE
MIDDLE OF A BUDGET CYCLE.
DO YOU THAT AND YOU CUT IT
OUT OF THE MIDDLE OF A
BUDGET CYCLE.
YOU RUN INTO THE PROBLEM AS
FAR AS FINANCIAL ROWJECTIONS
IN THE CITY.
YES, WE HAVE TO WRAP UP
THIS SEGMENT HERE AND ASK
YOU A QUESTION THAT I
RECEIVED ON TWITTER.
DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO
GET THIS.
I WANT TO HAVE YOU WEIGH IN
ON IT.
A PERSON WROTE USED FOOTBALL
TEAM OF WHICH YOU WERE SAN
DIEGO WAS BADCALLY MISMANAGE
AND HAD TO BE SABBED BY A
HIP-HOP ARTIST.
CAN YOU MANAGE A WHOLE
CITY.
I DID A LITTLE READING ON
IT.
IT FELL $2, 000 IN RED AND
THIS PERSON STEPPED UP
ACCORDING TO THE BLOG AND
GOT A PROGRAM GOING AGAIN
AND THEY WENT ON UNDEFEAT.
WHAT HAPPENED THERE?
WHAT ROLE DID YOU PLAY M
WELL WHERE SHALL I DON'T
KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE
TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS
MISMANAGEMENT.
I WAS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WHAT THEY DON'T SPECIFY IN
THERE.
I WROTE A $13,000 GRANT FOR
THE FOUNDATION TO EVEN OUT
THE BILLING THAT TOOK PLACE
WITH THE CENTRAL FALLS
PANTHERS TO BEGIN WITH.
I ALSO, A FEW YEARS AGO, THE
GIRLS, WE ACTUALLY STARTED
THE SEASON WITH $27.
WE RAN SOME FUND-RAISERS.
WE GOT LUG THE IN TIRE
YEAR.
NOT ONLY DID WE GET THROUGH
THE IN TIRE YEAR.
THE GIRLS HAD WON THE
CHEERLEADING COMES AND COME
IN FIRST IN THE STATE AND
THEY COME IN FOURTH, FIRST
IN NEW ENGLAND THEN WE HAD
TO RAISE MONEY SO WE COULD
SEN THEM TO ARIZONA IN A
ENDED UP RAISING IN SIX
DAYS $9,500 AND WE SENT THEM
TO ARIZONA WHERE WE COME IN
FOURTH PLACE SO I DON'T KNOW
WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
WE SHOULD POINT OUT CENTRAL
FALLS IN THE HIGH SCHOOL.
THEY WIN STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS
CONSISTENTLY.
THE KIDS IN CENTRAL FALL ARE
EXTREMELY VERY WELL IN
SPORT.
WE HAD A COUPLE OF ALL
AMERICANS RECENTLY IN TRACK
FOR CENTRAL FALLS.
THE PAST THE WRESTLING TEAM
DOES WELL.
THE FOOTBALL TEAM.
LIKE HOW YOU LUMP THAT
TOGETHER.
YEAH.
IT CAN BE FULL CONTACT.
I HAD TO SAY THAT BEING THE
CAPTAIN OF THE HIGH SCHOOL
BASEBALL TEAM IN THE
1980s.
THE CITY, THE TEACHER, THE
COACHES DID A PHENOMENAL
JOB.
WE HAD VOLLEYBALL CHAMPIONS
FOR THE CITY OF THE CENTRAL
FALLS.
STATE CHAMPION AND THINGS
LIKE THAT SO WE GOT A LOT OF
GOOD WELL-EDUCATED AND VERY
GOOD SPORTS MINDED
INDIVIDUALS IN THE CITY.
ALL RIGHT.
JOSEPH CANDIDATE FOR MAYOR
IN CENTRAL FAMFALL.
THANK YOU.
I WANT REMUNN THE ELECTION
IS ON DECEMBER 11th.
COMING UP.
HOPELESS LIKE ME.
A LOCAL WRITER DECIDES TO
SPEND 48 HOURS ON THE STREET
OF PROVIDENCE.
WE WANT TO STICK AROUND AND
HEAR HIS STORY.
STAY WITH US.
YOU ARE WATCHING
"NEWSMAKERS."
WELCOME BACK TO
"NEWSMAKERS" SNIP AM TIM
WHITE AND JOINED BY TED NESI
AND IAN DONIS FROM RODE
ALAND PUBLIC RADIO.
THE GUEST FOR THE SECOND
HALVES THE EDITOR OF RI
FUTURE. ORG, BOB PLAIN, HE
SPENT 48 HOURS ON THE
STREETS OF PROVIDENCE WHILE
THE REST OF US WHERE WERE
FAMILY AND FRIENDS ENJOYING
TURKEY AT HOME.
YOU DID THIS TO DRAW
ATTENTION TO THE GROWING
HOMELESS POPULATION.
I SUPPOSE NOT ONLY RHODE
ISLAND BUT NATIONALLY.
WHY ELSE DID YOU DO THIS?
WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE YOU?
KNOW WHAT?
THIS SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA
TO ME TO BE OUT IN THE COLD
AND LET'S FACE IT.
IT IS NOT THE SAFEST POLICE
TO BE?
YEAH.
SO PART OF IT WAS ALSO THAT
I WANTED.
A LOT OF THE ATTENTION THAT
THE MEDIA GIVES ON
THANKSGIVING TENDS TO BE
ABOUT CONSUMERISM AND
CAPITALISM IN A WANTED TO
COULDN'T OF SHINE THE LIGHT
ON THE FACT THAT NOT
EVERYONE IS IN THE POSITION
TO GO SHOPPING ON BUY
NOTHING DAY.
LET'S -- YOU TOOK
PICTURES OUT THERE.
WERE YOU TWEETING AND
BLOGGING AND SEE THOSE ON RI
FUTURE. ORG.
HERE ARE SOME OF THE
PICTURES THAT YOU TOOK.
THIS ONE IS PARTICULARLY --
WAS AMAZING TO ME AS A
HOMELESS MAN WHO WAS TRYING
TO READ A BOOK BY THE LIGHT
OF A COKE MACHINE.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT
PICTURE THAT YOU SNACK
SNAPPED.
WE'LL SHOW YOU MORE AS WE
CHAT WITH YOU HERE.
LETS A TALK ABOUT ONE NIGHT
YOU HAD ON THE LAWN OF THE
STATE HOUSE.
IT SEEMED HEROINING.
I THOUGHT BETTER SAFE THAN
SORROW.
BUT HONESTLY THE MOST
DANGEROUS IT GOT WAS I THINK
THREE COLLEGE STUDENTS
WALKED UP AND GOT MORE
FREAKED OUT BY ME THAN I WAS
BY THEM.
WE HAVE SEEN NATIONALLY
WHERE PEOPLE CAN JUST
ASSAULT THE HOMELESS OUT
THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING
LIKE THAT.
THAT HAPPENS.
ABSOLUTELY.
YOU KNOW, IN FACT.
I WAS JUST AS AFRAID OF
BEING ASSAULTED BY YOU KNOW
MIDDLE CLASS COLLEGE KIDS.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE TO
ASSUME ONE IS MORE DANGEROUS
THAN THE OTHER.
WHAT IS SOMETHING THAT
MOST SURPRISED BUT THE
EXPENSE OF BEING HOMELESS
IN.
SO I PL PLAYED THIS
GAME WHERE I WAS WALKING
AROUND WHEN TRIED TO MAKE
EYE CONTACT WITH AS MANY POM
I COULD.
I ASSUMED ALL THE PEOPLE WHO
LOOKED GAINFULLY HOPEFUL
THAT HAD HOMES WAS TRY TO
YOU KNOW NOT LOOK AT ME.
WE SHOULD POINT OUT.
YOU WERE DRESSED THE PART.
YEAH.
I DID WHAT I COULD DO DRESS
THE PART.
IT HAD A BIG BACK PACK ON
FILLED WITH LANDRY IN MY
SLEEPING ABOUT AND MY
GARDENING CLOTHES.
YOU TOOK YOURSELF AT THE
STATE HOUSE THE OPENING OF
THE PROGRAM AND I MEAN, YOU
HAVE SEEN BETTER DAYS LET'S
PUT THAT I WHICH.
YEAH.
YEAH.
HONESTLY I HAVE SEEN MORE
EXTREME.
YEAH.
ALL RIGHT ANYWAY.
SO I EX PEDDED YOU KNOW
KIND OF THE PEOPLE WHO LOOK
LIKE THEY CAME FROM HOMES TO
NOT WANT TO LOOK AT ME WHAT
SURPRISED ME I TRIED TO MAKE
ICON TACK WITH A LOT OF THE
HOMELESS FOLK AND IT
SURPRISED ME AT FIRST THEY
WERE NOT MAKE EYE CONTACT
WITH ME.
YOU KNOW? I FELT WE WOULD
BE BROTHERS IN THIS RIGHT
OFF THE BAT.
AND MY GUESS ABOUT THAT IS
WHEN THIS IS A NEW QI ON THE
STREETS, NOBODY KNOWS
WHETHER TO TRUST HIM, IF HE
IS A GOOD GUY, A BAD GUY.
I GOT AN EL MAYLE MAIL
WHILE WERE YOU OUT FROM THE
CONSERVATIVE VIEWERS WHILE
WERE YOU DOING THIS.
HE SIDE ME.
HE SAID CROSS SECTION OF
RHODE ISLAND EVER TRIED
BEING HOMELESS AND MET
EVERYONE WHO IS OUT THERE.
THEIR REACTION WOULD NOT BE
TO URGE MORE SERVICE FOR
THOSE PEOPLE ON THE CONTRARY
THE REACTION WOULD NOT BE
PLEASING TO THE POVERTY I
HAVE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT
REACTION INTO WELL, SO I DID
A POST AFTER THE FACT THAT
KIND OF SPOKE TO THAT, YOU
KNOW?
I SAID, I DIDN'T REALLY DO A
GOOD JOB OF IN FACT PICTURE
OF WHAT HOMELESSNESS IN
RHODE ISLAND LOOKS LIKE.
WHAT DY IS I KIND OF, YOU
KNOW, TALKED TO THE PEOPLE
THAT WERE THE EASIEST TO
TALK TO BUT THEY ARE NOT
INDICATIVE LOOK THE MENIALLY
ILL AND THE DRUNK PEOPLE
THAT WE SEE ON KENNEDY
PLAZA.
THEY ARE IN NO WAY OF
INDICATIVE OF PEOPLE WHO ARE
HOMELESS IN RHODE ISLAND.
THE EASIEST TO SPOT.
HOMELESSNESS IN RHODE ISLAND
LOOKS LIKE ME.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU.
IT LOOKS LIKE YOU.
YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALL KIND OF
ONE PAYCHECK IN OUR NETWORK
AWAY FROM BEING RIGHT
THERE.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU
POINTED OUT IN YOUR WRITING
IS SOMEBODY SHOWED YOU
HOLIDAYS CAN ACTUALLY BE
EASIER ON THE SHELTERS
BECAUSE A LOT OF THE
HOMELESS LIKE THE REST OF US
VISIT FAMILY OR FRIENDS OVER
THE HOLIDAYS THAT.
SEEMS SADDER TO ME IN A
WAY.
I KNOW IS EASY FOR ME TO
S.?
WHY WOULDN'T THE FAMILY JUST
TACK THEM IN? I AM GUESSING
THAT IS WHAT YOU MEAN BY YOU
SAW A LOT MORE OF WHAT WAS
STEREOTYPICAL HOME ON THE
STREET AS OPPOSED TO THE
FAMILY THAT WAS HOMELESS
BECAUSE THEY WERE ACTUALLY
AWITH OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS
AT THE TIME.
YEAH.
IT AM GUESSING THERE ARE ALL
THE REASONS IN THE WORD AND
SON OF THEM ARED ABOUT ON
THE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT
TAKING THEM AND SOME ARE
BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE THAT
ARE ON THE STREETS PROBABLY
BURNED A BUNCH OF BRIDGES
AND THEN THE SAME WAY THAT
LIKE ALL GO OUT AND SPEND 48
HOURS ON THE STREETS AROUND
THE HOLIDAYS AND SOME PEOPLE
WILL GO AND VOLUNTEER AT THE
LOCAL COMMUNITY MEAL.
SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE, YOU
KNOW, FAMILY MEMBERS ARE WHO
ARE HOMELESS MIGHT KIND OF
OPEN THEIR HEARTS THAT
TIME.
BUT A LOT OF IT IS
ADDICTION, TOO.
DID YOU SEE A LOT THAT.
YEAH.
YEAH.
I DID.
THE STATISTICS THAT I SAW IN
ROADS EYE FLAND THE
COALITION FOR THE HOMELESS
WAS ACTUALLY THAT THERE IS
ONLY 13% OF THE HOMELESS
POPULATION SUFFERS FROM
ALCOHOL AND DRG ADDICTION.
I AM GUESSING THAT, THAT IS
LOW.
BUY ALSO DON'T THINK IT IS
AS HIGH AS WE MAY ASSUME.
WHY DON'T WE SHIFT GEARS FOR
A MOMENT HERE.
I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE
HOLIDAY TREE.
YOU ARE ONE OF THE FUTURE
INS AND THE HOLIDAY TREE.
WHY?
SO I AM NOT DEPENDING IT
BECAUSE I THINK IT IS
IMPORTANT THAT WE CALL IT A
HOLIDAY TREE OR A CHRISTMAS
TREE OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO
HAVE IT.
BUZZ I THINK THERE ARE A
COUPLE OF BULLIES IN OUR
LOCAL MEDIA MARKETPLACE THAT
ARE NOT ALLOWING YOU KNOW
WHAT HAPPENED FOR YOU KNOW
SEVERAL DIFFERENT
GUBERNATORIAL
ADMINISTRATIONS AND I THINK
IT IS IMPORTANT THAT SOMEONE
STICKS UP TO LOUDMOUTH WHEN,
WHEN -- YOU KNOW WHAT I BET
IF WE DID A POLL AND ASK
RHODE ISLANDS SHOULD IT BE
CALLED A CHRISTMAS TRE OR
HOLIDAY TREE. WHAT DO YOU
THINK THE ANSWER WOULD BE
OVERWHELMING? I THINK IF
YOU ADDED A THIRD OPTION,
THAT WAS WHO CARES THAT
WOULD WIN RESOUNDINGLY.
EVEN GOVERNOR DEVAL
PATRICK WHERE THEY CALL IT A
HOLIDAY TREE.
HE SAID WELL OF COURSE IT IS
A CHRISTMAS TREE.
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PEOPLE.
WHY DIDN'T HE PRINT IT LIKE
THE GOVERNOR DID ON THE SAME
INVITATION HOLIDAY TREE WHY
DOESN'T THE GOVERNOR COME
OUT TO SAY WELL OF COURSE AT
THIS TIME IS A CHRISTMAS
RE.
SHOULD?
HE.
I THINK HE KIND OF IS
WHEN HE SAID CALL IT A
CHRISTMAS TREE.
I THINK IT IS PRETTY END
LYINGENED THAT HE IS MAKING
A STAND ON THIS AND STICKING
UP TO BILL O'REILLY AND I
THINK IT IS REALLY COOL THAT
WE ARE TRYING TO BE
INCLUSIVE OF MORE PEOPLE AND
YOU KNOW, THERE IS MORE
PEOPLE THAT CELEBRATE
HOLIDAYS THIS TIME OF YEAR
THAN THERE ARE THAT
CELEBRATE CRESTING MASS.
WHAT KIND OF IMPACT DO YOU
EXPECT IN THE NEW SESSION
FROM THE ELECTION OF A
COUPLE MORE PROGRESSIVE
LAWMAKERS?
I AM HOPING WE SEE
MARRIAGE EQUALITY COME UP.
I AM HOPING WE SEE TAX
EQUITY COME UP AND THIS YEAR
AND I WOULD LAKE TO SEE
PAYDAY LENDING.
I AM NOT SURE WHICH ONE WILL
COME UP AND PASS.
BUT THOSE ARE KIND OF MY
WISH LIST.
WELL, I AM CURIOUS ABOUT
THE ECONOMICS OF WHAT YOU
DO.
PEOPLE AT HOME THEY MIGHT,
YOU KNOW, I BLOG FOR CHANNEL
12 BUT THE STRUCTURAL
CHANNEL 12 TO TAKE CARE OF
ME IN TERMS OF THE BUSINESS
MODEL HERE.
FOR YOU IT IS A FULLP TIME
JOB.
YOU ARE THE AD SALESMAN AS
WELL AS THE EDITOR AND THE
LEAD WRITER.
DON'T FORGET FLOOR
SWEEPER.
EVERYTHING.
HOW DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU
IS?
IT A SUSTAINABLE BUSINESS
MODEL I GOES INTO YEAH.
SO I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY.
I HAVE NOT STARVED TO DEATH
YET.
I WOULD LIKE EVERYONE ELSE
IN THE WORLD I WOULD LIKE
MORE MONEY, TOOR.
YEAH.
SO FAR, SO GOOD.
YEAH.
YEAH.
JUST WANT TO PIVOT BACK
TO THE HOMELESSNESS QUESTION
HERE AND JOE HAD TO FACE
QUESTION FROM TWITTER.
NOW YOU DO?
SOMEBODY TWEETED TO ME THAT
YOU KNOW THEY SAW THEY READ
THE BLOG WHICH IS A GOOD
THING AND THEY SAW YOU WERE
FED AT DIFFERENT SHELTERS.
BUT ARE ACTUALLY NOT
HOMELESS.
HAVE YOU GONE BACK SINCE
THEN AND DONATED TO THOSE
SHELTERS? NO, I HAVEN'T.
MY FAMILY HASTEN THE PAST.
SO MY FAMILY DOES THIS.
IN STEAD OF GIVING CHRISTMAS
PRESENTS WE DECIDE AN
ORGANIZATION TO DONATE TO.
WE HAVE DONE CROSSROADS IN
THE PATH.
SO I HAVEN'T YET BUT I HAVE
IN THE PAST.
THE OTHER THING THERE IS
ABSOLUTELY NO SHORTAGE OF
FOOD FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE.
I AM GUESSING A GOOD AMOUNT
OF IT ACTUALLY GETSEN THERE
AWAY.
FOOD IS NOT THE PROBLEM.
SHELTER IS THE SURE.
THERE IS ALSO ROTED
ISLAND BECAME THE FIRST
STATE IN THE NATION TO PASS
THE HOMELESS BILL OF
RIGHTS.
DO YOU THINK THAT WILL MAKE
THINGS EASIER?
YEAH SHALL RY HOPE SO.
I HOPE SO.
HOW SO MOO WELL, I AM
HOPING NOW THERE IS
AWARENESS OF THE FACT THAT
YOU KNOW, LIKE OUR ELECTED
OFFICIALS THINK THAT IT IS
IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO PASS THE
LAW SAYING, HEY, THESE
PEOPLE DESERVE THEIR CIVIL
RIGHTS, TOO.
THAT FOLKS LIKE US IN THE
MEDIA WHICHWELL SAY IF THE
GOVERNMENT IS PAYst
PASSING LAWS LIKE THAT MAYBE
WE SHOULD LOOK INTO HOW THE
RIGHTS ARE BEING ING FROMMED
UPON.
30 SECONDS LEFT.
HAVE YOU GONE BACK.
YOU SPENT TIME IN
INTERVIEWED THE PEOPLE ON
THE STREET.
HAVE YOU GEN BACK TO SEE
THEM AT ALL INTO NO.
IVE CAVE OUT MY PHONE NUMBER
TO SOME OF THEM.
THERE WERE TWO OR TWO
ACTUALLY EXPRESSED AN
INTEREST IN BLOGGING FORRY
FEATURE I HOPE THAT COMES TO
FRUITION AND IF THEY CAN GET
ACCESS TO A PHONE.
WELL BOB PLAIN, EDITOR
FOR RHODE ISLANDRY FUTURE.
ORG.
THANKS FOR JOINING US ON THE
PROGRAM.
IF YOU WANT TO SEE ANY THE
TALES OF LIFE ON THE STREETS
OVER 48 HOURS YOU CAN GO TO
HIS WEB SITE RI FUTURE. ORG
BE A HE HAS THE WRITE-UP
THERE FOR TED NESI AND IAN
DONIS, I AM TIM WHITE.
LE'S SEE YOU NEXT WEEK ON
"NEWSMAKERS."
GOOD JOB.